Islamist bad guys and Afstan/British brass hats and frock coats
8 Replies to “The war with Islamists–and a war between generals and politcians?”
the start of the failure of the war in afigan may well be traced to the USA elections of Nov. 08
What I’ve never understood is this “need” to reach out to the same people who bomb buses or throw acid in girls’ faces. There are ideologies that are not compatible with our own. There is, therefore, no need to reach out to them. I would start a massive campaign saying there is no glory in suicide bombings or honour killings. It will rub people the wrong but that is the point. What is so noble about a cave-dwelling moron who kills children?
The “latest strategy” involves closing small outposts of no value like the one that was attacked today by 200 Taliban near the Pakistan border. Small outposts that can interdict or warn of movement between terrorist rest areas and fighting areas aren’t important? Who knew?
This will allow the Nato troops to intensify actions to “secure the cities”.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the Pashtun cities festering cauldrons of poverty stricken pro Taliban xenophobes whose only redeeming virtues are that they can’t fight because trying to find food and survive every day is a full time occupation.
I don’t know much about Afghanistan, but I think that if our aim is to destroy Taliban and jihadists (Osama bin Laden & Co.,) there should be will to
a/ put more soldiers into Afghanistan,
b/ change the Afgani government,
c/ put real pressure on Pakistan to fight Taliban on their territory,
d/ involve China in the war.
I think pursuing all the points together will increase possibility of achieving out aim, i.e. destruction of jihadists and Taliban.
I believe that changing Afgani government is as important as the three other points because, from what I heard, their government is very corrupt and this enormous corruption is a major barrier to achieving our aims. I understand that forcible change in Afgani government might be difficult by many to swallow, and in some ways similar to what CCCP did, but in my opinion it would help to win the war.
I also think that it is important to involve china in some way. They try to get advantage from the fight in Afghanistan increasing their own status in the area but using and denigrating western involvement in the area. (win-win situation for China).
I agree that winning the war is very important not only from the anti-terrorism point of view but also from the point of fighting the organized crime. Afghanistan produces majority of heroin coming to Europe and its instability helps organized crime in Europe and elsewhere.
Finally, Pakistani government is a weak government, it has nuclear weapons and part of its society is very supportive of fundamentalists. If we lose war in Afghanistan there is not guarantee that Pakistan will not fall under the sway of fundamentalists and they will not use the nuclear weapons located in Pakistan.
We can not say that Afghanistan is far away, in globalized world everything is interconnected and each point on the globe is just one (or two)flights away from the other point.
Gym, Sgt.,Osumashi, Ella, all go to the front of the class. We have a majority!
reality check:
do a ‘google’ search “success rate intervention Afghanistan since middle ages”
or however else one looks up these things.
not a cake walk. the politishuns really really need to know this and really really need to STFU about when we will be pulling away and handing it over to the locals finally.
“The “latest strategy” involves closing small outposts of no value”
These small outposts also serve to embolden the cowardly Taliban to crawl out of their holes and engage in actual combat against someone that actually shoots back…in contrast to suicide bombings and acid tossing. The Taliban maggots always come out on the short end of the stick when they come face to face with real troops.
An afterthought on Afghanistan:
“Canadians will quit in 2011. Canadian soldiers have earned respect, but their NATO-partner government has empowered our enemies by quitting at a crucial moment. This likely will be remembered consciously and subconsciously in future dealings with Ottawa…………………While an Afghan avalanche is poised, our thoughts are growing cold. This is it. Either we will begin to show progress by the end of 2010 or, piece by piece, the coalition will cleave off and drift away, meaning 2011 will begin the end to significant involvement in Afghanistan.”
M. YON http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/01/yon-the-greatest-afghan-war/?page=2
the start of the failure of the war in afigan may well be traced to the USA elections of Nov. 08
What I’ve never understood is this “need” to reach out to the same people who bomb buses or throw acid in girls’ faces. There are ideologies that are not compatible with our own. There is, therefore, no need to reach out to them. I would start a massive campaign saying there is no glory in suicide bombings or honour killings. It will rub people the wrong but that is the point. What is so noble about a cave-dwelling moron who kills children?
The “latest strategy” involves closing small outposts of no value like the one that was attacked today by 200 Taliban near the Pakistan border. Small outposts that can interdict or warn of movement between terrorist rest areas and fighting areas aren’t important? Who knew?
This will allow the Nato troops to intensify actions to “secure the cities”.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the Pashtun cities festering cauldrons of poverty stricken pro Taliban xenophobes whose only redeeming virtues are that they can’t fight because trying to find food and survive every day is a full time occupation.
I don’t know much about Afghanistan, but I think that if our aim is to destroy Taliban and jihadists (Osama bin Laden & Co.,) there should be will to
a/ put more soldiers into Afghanistan,
b/ change the Afgani government,
c/ put real pressure on Pakistan to fight Taliban on their territory,
d/ involve China in the war.
I think pursuing all the points together will increase possibility of achieving out aim, i.e. destruction of jihadists and Taliban.
I believe that changing Afgani government is as important as the three other points because, from what I heard, their government is very corrupt and this enormous corruption is a major barrier to achieving our aims. I understand that forcible change in Afgani government might be difficult by many to swallow, and in some ways similar to what CCCP did, but in my opinion it would help to win the war.
I also think that it is important to involve china in some way. They try to get advantage from the fight in Afghanistan increasing their own status in the area but using and denigrating western involvement in the area. (win-win situation for China).
I agree that winning the war is very important not only from the anti-terrorism point of view but also from the point of fighting the organized crime. Afghanistan produces majority of heroin coming to Europe and its instability helps organized crime in Europe and elsewhere.
Finally, Pakistani government is a weak government, it has nuclear weapons and part of its society is very supportive of fundamentalists. If we lose war in Afghanistan there is not guarantee that Pakistan will not fall under the sway of fundamentalists and they will not use the nuclear weapons located in Pakistan.
We can not say that Afghanistan is far away, in globalized world everything is interconnected and each point on the globe is just one (or two)flights away from the other point.
Gym, Sgt.,Osumashi, Ella, all go to the front of the class. We have a majority!
reality check:
do a ‘google’ search “success rate intervention Afghanistan since middle ages”
or however else one looks up these things.
not a cake walk. the politishuns really really need to know this and really really need to STFU about when we will be pulling away and handing it over to the locals finally.
“The “latest strategy” involves closing small outposts of no value”
These small outposts also serve to embolden the cowardly Taliban to crawl out of their holes and engage in actual combat against someone that actually shoots back…in contrast to suicide bombings and acid tossing. The Taliban maggots always come out on the short end of the stick when they come face to face with real troops.
An afterthought on Afghanistan:
“Canadians will quit in 2011. Canadian soldiers have earned respect, but their NATO-partner government has empowered our enemies by quitting at a crucial moment. This likely will be remembered consciously and subconsciously in future dealings with Ottawa…………………While an Afghan avalanche is poised, our thoughts are growing cold. This is it. Either we will begin to show progress by the end of 2010 or, piece by piece, the coalition will cleave off and drift away, meaning 2011 will begin the end to significant involvement in Afghanistan.”
M. YON
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/01/yon-the-greatest-afghan-war/?page=2