“For no apparent reason I’m starting another paragraph. Finally, the political and social climate of Canada will begin to transform into that of Iran if the RCMP gets away with this. What keeps the Iranian regime solvent? Hatred and fear. Hatred of people who step out of line. Hatred of people who don’t conform to the most “conservative” standards of their society. Hatred of “traitors” who protest against the government while the country is surrounded on all sides by ruthless, vicious enemies. Hatred of those who would “abuse” their rights in order to “attack” the society that raised them. All those hatreds are felt by a sizeable minority in every country. In the USA it was the 30% that supported bush II through all his crimes and blundering. In Canada its the “small dead animals,” “Free Dominion,” “dust my broom” crowd and the much larger group of mindless, deluded harpercon voters. For everyone else, there’s fear. Fear of poverty. Fear of prison. Fear of torture. Fear of death. Fear of the unaccountable goons who roam about enforcing compliance to a hateful, failed system. As the system fails it becomes more paranoid, more violent.”
Rev:
All fear, when you boil it down, is about the future.
References: Let’s before jump to conclusion to Canada and Iran study details of origin of torture
In order to know more detail of varieties of torture done in world see below appendix you can find it more in goggle search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
Blame it to master first USA as usual while not comes recently any more blame to all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyXH9YTEn4k
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in++USA
Which is CIA and USA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in+CIA+in++USA+&fulltext=Search
To open and made it illegal looks legal or ignore when they heard it
Torture can be mentally by hold abuse and humiliation or can be physically
Return of this torture or correction agency or intelligent agency was history in Middle East and USA culture for long time
In Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in++europe
East Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=torture+in+east+europe+kosovo&ns0=1&redirs=0
How Hitler torture Jewish for hate them
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in+hitler+germany
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http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/canadas-top-25-political-blogs-april-2009/
http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/04/smalldeadanimals-condemned-by-mla-in.html
http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/04/smalldeadanimals-kate-mcmillan-blasts.html
set you free ;
All fear, when you boil it down, is about the future.
True. I don’t worry about it though.
To me Jesus rose from the dead, & I have His Book with the ending of the tale of man.
And see MORE all kind of torture in world
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in++world
Then break to Middle East:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in++middle+east+
Then go to Africa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=torture+in++africa&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search
Then go to Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=torture+in++Canada+RCMP
Etc… Question raised is not only study of past
Is study of today?
How those tortures create more hate and lead to more terrorist organization or lead to war
Freedom of speech in certain extend and
Prevent of those to certain extend
As all government include Canada try to say they are against torture while are not act it right and even torture can not be physically they can hold Muslim for so long do not give job to black and show their hate in direction create hate too
How to direct intelligent
Study of each country and change Iranian wrong method of torture is not label only for
IRANIAN or CANADIAN can used every where today in all countries in different shape all of us know about it.
One may more than others can not give excuse that most country has used different kind of torture.
if hate not directed it get exploded to war and worse scenario and more murder as we hear daily in news right or wrong still some one kill other person is wrong to look at it and must get reduce to do this over revenge religion race or politic or money and power
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list of the most FBI and CIA wanted
but before check the statues of what they look for are real documents attached to it
CIA can investigate not go above limit
as what you do you must expec other countries to do the same limit too to keep country safe not make other country in fight to made yourself safe
keep limit and power of abuse
Social relationship are changed recently and people expectation and made sense and guts to act more reasonable and more based on respect human right and privacy and limit you can go or break in absolute power of I like to say any word I like to say or walk naked do not care children watching or cover my eyes and not care if I can see or acting too extreme and if some one come close to me and ask me to change or like to keep their choice must get arrested go to jail or even torture for happiness of more people lets some are suffer who care.
Now people get change are traveling and are link together can not put lion in scene and watch to kill each others or kill soldier like Roman Empire.
Or let people get torture just know who are their friend are to interrupt some people happiness and having torture other is old history and using equipment and technology cam from Europe and America if USA decided to change all countries must get change their view of see differences and has not right to torture other for talk or ideas there is not even need to do so too.
If you believe drug affect you so as alcohol then why not stop alcohol since people like excitement or more damage to ban it come on stop all gambling and alcohol to ways to help your brain working properly.
Put watching lion fight later changed to game fighting.
You pay a $1000 to seat in front seat of basketball to see entertainment because human like social relationship like once a while watch or stay in crowd and be happy or excited or leave sport room angrily of loose their football game and add some girls half naked dance in middle is other entertainment while in fact most those football player are have so much injury and some brain damage and excess sport not make them real sport smart guy but also disable when they got old and half of sport watcher are go under stress of loose game and fight as we see in England over each time wino r loose football soccer still people love the game and watching it and even when you seat for 2 to 4 hour watch game you are not in tray mill to at least you do sport while you watching or seat in message chair of Japanese message made your blood circulation done or any thing you gain
Not healthy to watch not healthy to play game of broken faces of hockey still love the game.
Because you like to do social and like to exhibition or wonderland to see crowd and join happy time with them.
Then social gather must get reviewed and get fix and /ban all fight in hockey or allow some kind of singer sing song not group teenager dance body for no reason of show up or what is the point to doing so bad culture
This is goes to torture left from old system of century need to get reviewed
In Iran so many changes need to done
1) First Shah tried to bring technology while lead his daughter in drugs Lila Pahlavi died or all drinking and gambling left in Iran wake up Muslim extremist to fight him out
2) Next was Revelation tried to keep some tradition add to Islam law and made it separated and
3) some group of communist and free Muslim lead to terrorist activities such as Mujaheen Khalgh and their activities was too extremist to kill that method
Now the situation is not say that was best
What can be doing now??
How Iran link with world with new method
Even some evidence seen in torture also those are Shah time kind of grow men who change their dress and wear sheikh dress to people thing they are Muslim look while they were not they only try to show pretend to torture with different dress now in Iran
Some even pretend they are Muslim in Iran or soldier of Iraqi in Iraq are also did not see them as normal action f them daily kill each other
And if you study
More question are in law and act need in class room teach to children in high school to prevent them to do crime when they grow up and so on and
People who are not smart in education are most likely break law and pass the red light in so many times repeated and made kids education and study need to get mandatory in certain level before they got hired in society or let 15 years kid drive before know the law of society to enter them premature is wrong too.
Change all thing exist in public and when walk out of your home what you do go use street car or drive car or talk in business or study or walk and talk with opposite sexxx or any other or watch game or go more entertainment need to review by law
Public law need to review and find best of it if you gather people in pubic all fun must not affect brain get excited or safety or and other think or bring young in gambling what do you expect after they lost they may do rub the people or other thing illegally or go and alcohol and if they drink more what they can do who is responsible for society relationship in total is public relationship and laws need to review for all happiness entertainment gathering in correct direction safety and develop brain increase and better body or better food or better friend and subject to talk not seat and gossip over other friend of burp from full stomach.
Omar Khadr need to go in serious of at least 10 year under doctor of psychology to check him closely if he back to Canada soon he need help from professional not public anymore
5 groups exist among Iranian that you need to be get aware
1)Iranian are so many different groups one group who left Iran in Shah time only for drink alcohol and adult and wear sexy dress, drugs or illegal actives or not wear hijab or scarf, theft or etc criminal actives and take hate of people of charlatan kind of person and gambling and fun in American ways while they may be smart too or some are very small group and still their children are made what their parents teach them and bring bad influence to other too. Some are racist Aryan race from past not like to listen to Arab Muslim rules in Iran.
Group 2)Some group left for security and political reason and against or kill or one of torture soldier of shah or etc and not Muslim or other minority in Iran or their brother or sister was killed by Iran government or if back to Iran may get executed, spy from both parties
Group 3)Some group left it only for safety of too much war and not wishes their son join army in Iran by force and not like to stay in recession and no money in Iran for better money making and safety and more are family group came in Canada or USA who may Muslim
Group 4) Some are extremist who may come recently to bring their children for study, sport or research and university purpose only and finically crises in Iran
Group 5) none of above and they come to Canada for other reasons
If you can lucky to find Muslim smart educated knowing all culture work hard and has manner this number is more than above 4 in Canada
Therefore you must know when some one explain Iran situation belong to what group are if you really want to know how to deal with Iranian government today you need to use group who are in group 3 and 4, 5 please do not get info about Iran and Iranian from group 1 and 2 because they are very pessimistic and talk very negative and not normal
It is good to h ave intelligent or CIA work for protect American but not by identify other political group and kill or torture them later or vice versa this is not table for identify each other and revenge it late this is discuss people is good intention is gone and only wining game is main issue in policy and recently people in world are smart to get it now.
You can not label on one country does torture while all do it now must change their public relationship any soldier not follow order and use illegal act must arrested and go to jail there is not reason to hired police to do illegal force and bit you up and put police assault to you because he is authority to do it and lie to court and court only listen to police not to accused who may get bitten by police first and so on.
Some times army may kill for hate and crime and label it victory therefore all need to hired big commander in chief in charge for hiring good soldier not sick soldier to keep country safe or good police to keep street safe people who are bad management need to get fired soon and replace with better who know society and educated or has degree or brain to understand quickly and made correct decision too nobody is prefect.
All kind of torture did in Iran since shah and mystery of today government? They do not need to support bad people bad guard need to go arrested if go above abuse their power!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Torture+in+religion+Islam+christian+Jewish+hindu+and+sikh&namespace=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=torture&namespace=0
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Leila_of_Iran
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Shariatmadari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8u2UKWCHtM
http://www.iranian.com/History/Feb98/Revolution/
I am not supporter of Iranian communist while I did not appreciate his torture in Iran
Etehame Goolesorkhi che Bood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czAq0N6JvQQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MukMVNwFWTw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gso1XSWpQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtIpt650B_g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_playlists&search_query=Khosro+Golsorkhi++english&uni=1
http://www.iranian.com/History/Feb98/Revolution/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfOY-gSMnm8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKIU2q6EYqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxUsv1SdrZY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKYlvyZwHHU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe4ed3_aGmU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM84ge6cs8w&feature=related
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Total list of torture in Iran:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=torture+in+Iran&ns0=1&redirs=0
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=torture&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9auqa9_VoiY&feature=PlayList&p=7383F92507F6BB4C&index=15
At the end of day bad and good is every where and not label by country or name or culture I guess
STOP turturing emotionally and physically in world by United nation blame to poltician
“Eric Margolis, Is That You?”
No, smells like Dawg shit to me….
All fear, when you boil it down, is about the future.
True and thus the importance of, “I know Whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I’ve committed unto Him against that day.”
No gnus is good gnus.
Its like a gnu-valanch.
dmorris It isn’t just the RCMP. It is all levels of government in all provinces. A Director I knew said the private sector was more diverse than the government. He seemed shocked by that. I said some cultures look at working for the civil service as shameful. He looked surprised until I said they would have to dig up bodies to meet quotas and that wouldn’t make much difference to what they were doing now.
Does anyone actually read the posts by “new”?
Nope
no, gord.
And Yes!! to Joe and Rev!!
Let’s walk down memory lane regarding the RCMP, in the days of yore and not before recruits were selected because of their keen desire to be a cop for a life time thus they dedicated themselves to the job for a lifetime. Fast foreward and look what the Loopy Liberal Left has decreed what makes a good Mountie: A French language profile, a BA, they make them take race sensitivity course, they make them take sexual harrassment courses, gender sensitivity courses, community relation courses, social justice courses, mental health courses. Thus the Liberals have turned what use to be a life long commitment to law enforcement with the RCMP into a Elite Utopian Band of Metrosexuals who have degrees in the Arts and have been indoctornated into the socialist retarded dogma. If he wants to blame someone for the sorry state of our justice system and the bahaviour of a few mounties might I suggest he look in a mirror because the left have gutted the RCMP and replaced police officers with “Diversity Agents” who have to practice race based policing.
Wow SDA controls Canada, who knew she had such power.
Rose said “Thus the Liberals have turned what use to be a life long commitment to law enforcement with the RCMP into a Elite Utopian Band of Metrosexuals…”
I say makeovers are in order. The CBC could do a whole season of RCMP makeovers. Hair highlights, new outfits, liposuction, shoes with heels, assless chaps, the possibilities are endless.
Off topic here but….hats off to a couple boys from my old stompin grounds in Hamilton for taking on Mantracker last night. They lost but still did us proud. Just cause you’re poor and from a crappy neighborhood doesn’t mean you don’t have integrity and heart.
Margolis’s own freedom from fear and luxury of opinion is provided by the insulation of inherited wealth from his father’s entrepreneurship, notably the Jamieson vitamins business, which is not mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Margolis
However, his mother, and her work, accounts for much of his view of things.
He’s just got a touch of Small Dead Animals Derangement Syndrome.
It’s similar to Bush Derangement Syndrome.
“Etehame Goolesorkhi che Bood”?
new’s English is improving.
I’m thinking that Kate’s point was that Thwap is the blogging equivalent of Eric Margolis…..asinine assumptions, specious supporting arguments, hysterical hyperbole and turbid transitions.
Or maybe Thwap lives in Eric’s basement.
Thwap sounds like the kind of name Margolis would give his kid.
Syncro
Try again.
Obviously Airic flys off from the Dzikanski screwup of 4 cops needing to be tuned in vs. tuned out(der State indoctrination, of sorts), ie deal with things as they are vs. as a PC police scribbler or boss, says they are. Everyone has seen the video.
Iran kills a journalist and tells the world to piss off, but in Canada der cops get to prolong the p-i-ss-o-ff.
First of all, I came across the name “thwap” posting some moronic comments on another site a week or two ago (I don’t think it was here). Maybe it was Dr. Mutt’s Blawg or Big Cesspool Lib, on a day that I decided my stomach could handle either of those.
As I recall there was a fairly broad discussion here recently about the tragic tasering incident in Vancouver last year, and not a few of the frequently cops-are-tops congregation thought the RCMP went way over the line. So there is scarce evidence that a full-fledged “conservative” mentality that includes hatred of non-conformists condones the actions of the Mounties in this regard. Personally, I have not read enough about the incident to have formed a strong opinion either way.
Furthermore, given that the extreme left has a lot of influence in Canada, running the show at our phony “human rights” commissions for example, and that it itself hates productive people who know what they want out of life, and that it has always shown extreme and often violent hatred toward anyone it rightly or wrongly perceives as its enemies, it does not necessarily follow that the viewpoint that would defend the RCMP in this sort of situation is a “right-wing” or “conservative” one. Leftist police states are a dime a dozen; Cuba and North Korea are obvious examples, so is China (recent alleged economic freedoms notwithstanding), and there are many more, past and present (but hopefully not future), and the overall death toll numbers in the millions.
Mr. or Ms. Thwap presents a reasonably thoughtful analysis of the two incidents in question, one here and one in Iran (including much to distinguish them), enough that I regard his post as far from outrageous (and not “moronic”, for that matter), barring his comments about SDA and similar blogs. It is probably not untrue that should the RCMP feel it could repeat the Vancouver incident on a regular basis, the country would be in serious trouble. I just hope that Thwap comes to realize that the persons he or she is most afraid of are, for the most part, not to be found around here, and probably are more likely denizens of the places he or she feels most comfortable.
Wikopedia’s description of Margolis’s politics…
Margolis identifies his politics as “Eisenhower Republican”. Though his domestic political persuasion is moderately conservative (he is a staunch anti-communist and a supporter of capitalism)
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Yes, Mao and Stalin were staunch conservatives as well.
He’s referring to Canada? We are surrounded on three sides by oceans and on one side by the US. So – who are the ‘ruthless, vicious enemies”?
Give me a minute. I haven’t had my coffee yet,
I think Margolis was having a caffeine crash when he wrote that incongruent conceptually disoriented gibbering. That, and a large attack of Freudian projection.
Hmmm what ever could it be that makes a great self-appointed media moralist “hate” the conservative blogosphere so much. Is blogger hatred that all that’s keeping the dead tree media “solvent”?
I think I know why he added the last paragraph – self renunciation in a rare moment of Freudian honesty.
We all want progress, but if you’re on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.
~C. S. Lewis
Leftists never admit they’re wrong.
They pretend to be progressive but it’s all self-delusion. They’ll follow the wrong road long after it’s obviously wrong(AGW), and then when they can’t keep up the pose any longer, drop it and pretend they never went down that particular path at all.
voltaire:
That was not Margolis doing the writing, even though his effort in today’s papers is not much better.
Dear “The Phantom”
You write:
“The thing which annoys me most about our little friend thwap is that he doesn’t listen. At all. Ever.”
Well, I don’t remember the specifics, but fine. Whatever. I disagree, but I don’t care.
“I’ve crossed swords with him a time or two, and he immediately defaults to ad hominem with some crude homosexual inuendo for flavoring.”
That last bit about homophobic ad hominems is a complete lie.
As for the rest of my fans here, I don’t see much more understanding than what some chose to post at my blog. A precious few managed to grasp that allowing those constables to get away with killing a man and then lying about what happened in their official reports is a dangerous step. The rest typed some snarky insult and slithered away.
I’ll try to be clearer. Iran has a bad government with very little respect for human rights. One way it’s able to stay in power is through fear, much of it based on the unaccountable power of its policing and prison institutions. If we Canadians allow the RCMP to get away with this recent atrocity we will be taking a step towards having police forces like Iran’s, where human rights are meaningless and sadists and thugs can do what they please.
Finally, some of you got confused by my analogies. I’ll clarify one example: Many Iraninas feel that their country is under siege from the West and some of them probably think that reformist critics are dupes or tools of their foreign enemies. Many of you mouth-breathing imbeciles believe that the West is genuinely at risk of enslavement at the hands of Islam and that domestic critics of anything to do with the “War on Terror” are “useful idiots” or outright traitors to Canada and Western Civilization.
So, you both exhibit the same paranoid tendencies.
I read many Margolis articles over the years and have seen him interviewed and on talk shows. He just loves to argue and disagree. He apparently knows more than anyone else on any topic.
I swear, if you said “Eric, I totally agree with your assessment of the X situation” he would argue that you shouldn’t believe everything you hear and claim that you’re too ill-informed to agree with him….
Thwap, on behalf of my fellow “mouth-breathing imbeciles” I’d like to thank you so much for dropping by and enlightening us all with your superior “nose-breathing” intellect.
I think we’re all straightened out now, so we won’t need your superior insight any more. So consider your job here as done, and go back to your fellow superior nose-breathing friends at Rabble.
Thanks again.
Jethro,
I suspect you’re being sarcastic! But I know you don’t have the ability to honestly confront anything I say anyway. That’s why I tend to ignore this place and dismiss its denizens as unworthy of respect!
bye for now!
The ability to “know” things without any facts to back them up is a true hallmark of the left, and you pass with flying colours.
What an incredible disconnect from reality this man has. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
The part that amazes me – why do no reasonable lefts come along and refute these types, because it stains them all. There are some reasonable ones out there ? Isn’t there ? No ? John Cross, call home ?
Count me in as one of the 30%. Moral relativism at it’s most thoughtless. Who is that guy?
I’d just like to point out, for posterity, that aside from the decent few people who at least noted the dangers of allowing Canadian state security forces to kill with impunity, the rest of you were only able to come up with completely meaningless insults and speculations about my living arrangements (re: parents’or eric margolis’s basement) and other such twaddle.
In my experience, that’s what I’ve come to expect from sites like this. One or two decent people with some foundational misconceptions that have thrown them wildly off-course, and then a 3-hour parade of idiots and vermin who can’t even begin to think straight.
To the one or two people on this thread who actually demonstrated intelligence (I shan’t identify you to spare you the embarrassment) thanks for the nice surprise.
Here’s a bit of advice for you Thwap. If you want to engage in civilized discussion, don’t lead with “mouth-breathing imbeciles”.
You’re welcome.
Thwap
Foundational misconceptions eh?
The fact that you are dealt with derision and contempt here is encapsulated in the above term.
Mocking is what you deserve and mocking is what you get.
Intelligent debate takes time and effort Thwap and quite frankly you don’t warrant either.
Go back and read your original piece and tell me how this is coherent or minimally consistent or even entertaining.
Syncro