Michael Ignatieff today on CTV’s Question Period;
“I think I’ve never lacked the capacity to make decisions, but a decisive person knows when he has to make decisions, then makes the decisions he has to make, when he has to make them. I’ve made it very clear I would not hesitate to make decisions, if the party gives me the honour of electing me leader.”
Where have I heard this before?? Hmmmm….
“When there is a proof, then it is da proof, if it is proven. If the proof is a strong proof, and it is proven, then it is da proof.
Why, The Cretin himself
In a piece by Bonner on CBC just moments ago, Rae says he’s against the idea of Liberal caucus selecting a new leader, that it’s not the democratic path to follow.
Let me see if I got this straight: Rae believes it’s democratic to have the Liberal caucus impose a PM Dion on Canadians without our vote but that it’s undemocratic for that same Liberal caucus to choose Michael Ignatieff as Liberal Leader without the votes of delegates.
Things make perfect sense to me now.
In a piece by Bonner on CBC just moments ago, Rae says he’s against the idea of Liberal caucus selecting a new leader, that it’s not the democratic path to follow.
Let me see if I got this straight: Rae believes it’s democratic for the Liberal caucus impose a PM Dion on Canadians without our vote but that it’s undemocratic for that same Liberal caucus to choose Michael Ignatieff as Liberal Leader without the votes of delegates.
Things make perfect sense to me now.
What many people fail to realise is that the coalition agreement would have kept the coalition government in power until 2011. Long time for the Bloc to infiltrate the government files. This shows their contempt for democracy. Most lefties hate democracies.
This is why Iggy won’t make a decision. During that time he will ensure funding in perpetuity for Liberals by either increasing the public funding and/or raising the amount of contributions to $5,000 so that the rich Liberals can once again take control of this country.
I also fear for that we will go into a very deep recession since none of the current opposition leaders has ever having held a real job living off their own wits. They all lived off other people’s money. Layton, Dion and Iggy were professors and Doucette was a union organiser.
Jon
It is even better than that, as Rae weasals and waffles his own reality.
From the CP:
“One suggestion that I’ve heard – that the caucus or even just MPs, for which there’s no constitutional basis, but just MPs would decide – is to me unacceptable and just plain wrong,” Rae said.
“People have to understand there has to be a process and it has to be seen to be a democratic and legitimate one.”
So, he vents that MPs shouldn’t decide the leader of the party, but, from previous comments, it’s OK for MPs to decide the coalition PM……
Rae is some piece of work
And to think…… I was worried he might be strong Liberal voice.
When all this crap was breaking out Iggy went to the Maritimes then as of today LeBlanc drops out of the race but will back Iggy Whoed of thunk it??
Sounds like Iggy got all inspired from an old Rush song lyric: “When you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
Great. Statesmanship by oldies radio. This for the soon-to-be leader of Her Majesty’s loyal opposition.
Actually scratch that. Rush is a Canadian band so Iggy the Yank would never have heard them.
You mean that that Iggy leer is the result of a fence sitting sphincter splinter???
I thought it was cause he loved Canada!
“Class, a Bloc MP, an NDP MP, and a Liberal MP can now describe themselves as being part of what group?”
“Yes, Johnny?”
“Traitors, Ms Hagly?”
Iggy comes across as a radical fence sitter who leans from side to side. The swaying is a distraction to trusting the man. He, like the others in the ‘natural governing party’ are doing ‘unnatural ‘ things to try to get what they believe should come naturally.
Naturally, Canadians have seen enough of the Liberal lying, cheating and stealing and incompetence over recent years.
They must be banished from power for at least the next couple of elections. Possibly until the mythical Canadian messiah, Justin is finished going through his protracted puberty and self-adoring adolescence. Then the fun will really begin.
I think the Canadian media is trying to copy the American media. They went 150% in the tank for Obama and got him elected even though he has never done or written or said anything of note ever! The Canadian media think if they keep pushing the coalition message eventually us dweebs will see the light. That is what all of the lib MPs are counting on.
The Supine Dion is done.
The first casualty of the Coalition is not PMSH, it’s the Supine Dion.
It sounds like it came from the same book as “A proof is a proof is a proof.”
The Supine Dion is done.
The first casualty of the Coalition is not PMSH, it’s the Supine Dion.
I guess you could call Iggy the leader of a splinter party. How about that, the party that helped start a coup has to deal with a coup of it’s own. It’s a coup within a coup.
Does that make more sense than what Iggy said to start this thread?
Moral pygmies, everyone of them.
Devin Maxwell,
I suggest you be polite and courteous, especially to Kate. You are not the first moon-bat to stubble onto SDA, and you won’t be the last, but I can assure that the crowd here are very well “edumacated” and know far more about politics then you think you do.
Moon-bats usually come on here thinking that they are going to torment us right-wingers with their “supreme intellect”, only to be humiliated with a staggering amount of information and irrefutable facts. You, too, will eventually stop coming here, but in the meantime, please don’t insult our host.
Jack at December 7, 2008 9:43 PM
Iggy comes across as a radical fence sitter who leans from side to side. The swaying is a distraction to trusting the man. He, like the others in the ‘natural governing party’ are doing ‘unnatural ‘ things to try to get what they believe should come naturally.
Jack, you are a copyist
@macleans.ca
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/12/07/leading-from-the-rear/ a certain “John V” wrote
Iggy comes across as a radical fence sitter who leans from side to side. The swaying is a distraction to trusting the man. He, like the others in the ‘natural governing party’ are doing ‘unnatural ‘ things to try to get what they believe should come naturally.
Naturally, Canadians have seen enough of the Liberal lying, cheating and stealing and incompetence over recent years.
They must be banished from power for at least the next couple of elections. Possibly until the mythical Canadian messiah, Justin finished going through his protracted puberty and self-adoring adolescence. Then the fun will really begin.
The quality of Harvard professors seems to be declining – I note from Wikipedia that Mackenzie King even taught economics at Harvard, though I think of him as more of a University of Chicago man.
The winner in all this is Stephen Harper.
The losers: all the opposition parties, plus the Mainstream Media.
I think that the MSM is the biggest loser of them all. Their credibility and alleged “impartiality” is now in shreds. This was their most naked attempt to undermine the Tories, and it backfired monumentally.
Isn’t a leader someone who makes decisions BEFORE becoming a leader–and that’s the basis upon which their party makes them a leader?
Or, am I confused?
I agree somewhat with Trent about infiltration of the Liberal Party by the NDP…what we have to do now is to hammer every Liberal MP we can get to and convince them to cross the floor on Jan. 26, expecially if Bob Rae becomes leader…then the vote will be defeated and so will the Liberal Party, because they will be wiped off the map in an election, and Jack Layton can go back to leading a minority party again..
Dennis
That’s about it.
Tally Jack will always have the True believers, despite his arrogant, miscreant ways.
Duceppe, if anything, has strengthened, but Quebec is a netherworld of Canadian politics. Too bad, as I have no problem with treating Quebecois as equals, nothing more, nothing less.
Dion performed a perfect rendition of the Peter Principle.
And Harper? Yeah, still people calling for his resignation, but, that’s from the usual suspects, and the chattering class at the MSM.
Don’t for 1 minute think that Bob Rae is not going for the leadership. I expect that this next week Rae will insist on the convention in May, but agree to Iggy in the mean while. Rae is going to keep pushing the coalition, because uniting the Libs and Dippers appears to be his ultimate goal, and he is probably planning to use Iggy’s support of PMSH budget in January as a campaign issue.
Rae wasn’t happy until he destroyed Ontario, now he has his sights set on Canada.
I do not trust any politician who wanders across the floor.They do it once they are apt to cave again at some future date.
I’ve just sent this email to Michael Ignatieff (his smug comments were beneath contempt):
Sir
I’ve just watched your interview with Craig Oliver: perhaps you were still (leaving most of us) cold from your Lakeshore experience, but it was hard to tell from all the hot air you were spouting.
I knew your parents—fine, principled, and, for all their pedigree, no airs people. I wish I could say the same for you.
Please vote against the budget—after you’ve seen it, of course: with the spectre of an illegitimate “coalition” with a party that wishes the destruction of Canada, another election is the least of any patriot’s worries.
Financially, Canada is one of the best placed countries in the G20 (Theo Caldwell, Caldwell Securities, December 6, 2008). Your slanders against our prime minister, who stands head and shoulders above the moral pygmies the Liberals have foisted on Canada for many decades, are beneath a man of honour. Draw your own conclusion, Mr. Ignatieff.
Dennis
Agreed, the MSM lefties are big losers. Unfortunately, they don’t have the brains to realize it. They’re incapable of reading public sentiment. They keep blundering on believing they have great intellect. I read or watch them for a laugh, but I laugh most at Jane “The Yodeler” Taber and Craig “Dewlap” Oliver.
They’re having “a coup within a coup” and blaming it on the leader of the party they plotted to take down in that coup. Makes sense coming from that lot, the Liberals/Dips and MSM know-it-all hacks.
Who the hell wants to listen to another professor opining about various and sundry ideas, changing his mind as the wind blows? Ignatieff is highly overrated and the Liberals are stepping into some Puffin poop the birds missed hiding.
Rae has hit the road as the traveling salesman for the Insanity coalition showing just how much tuned in he is to the wishes of the people.
Should be a real hoot in the next few weeks, another comedic farce, compliments of the Liberal Party. Gawd they’re wacky.
jon at December 7, 2008 8:20 PM
I disagree. If Iggy is named interim leader, that means he is out of the race; unless this is a coup de caucus.It would also serve the ionterests of teh NRP establishment; Iggy is the oputsider.
From http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hjHkryLhthz1TSjFUMH0p_E_CeNQ
“Michael Ignatieff appears poised to become federal Liberal leader on Wednesday with the support of a majority of Grit MPs and senators.
But his chief rival, Bob Rae, is not going down without a fight. He’s challenging the legitimacy of a leadership process that excludes tens of thousands of rank and file Liberals.”
Gee, Bob, sure sucks to be on the wrong end of a coup, doesn’t it?
Way to go Bob. Tens of thousands of liberals not having a say. How about the millions of Canadians not having a a say.
It going to take one helluva retro-fart to get him out of orbit.
Ever since this farcical drama began, the MSM have been championing Dirty Iggy, the Daniel Plainveiw of the Liberal Party. Trying to pretend that Dirty Iggy isn’t part of the cabal of traitors who have tryed to seize power from the duly elected government. Dirty Iggy’s name is on the coaliition pact signed by the other 3 douchebags, so exactly how is he not part of this coup attempt of self-preservation. No matter what the MSM cooks up in it’s witch’s brew, Bankrupt Bob, Dirty Iggy, and that other idiot Le Blank are all part of the unholy alliance and their attempts to destroy Canada.
Pardon my typos. I stutter when I’m excited.
Rob C. To quote Sir Winston Churchill “Some men change parties for the sake of their principles. Others change their principles for the sake of the party.” He crossed the floor on more than one occassion so as not to compromise his principles.
Far too often we have politicians who cow tow to the party rather than standing up for their principles. Party lines should be somewhat adhered to. When those party lines and principles change, it may be time to hang ones shingle elsewhere.
Sounds like Mr. Dithers redux all right.
Iggy has the chameleon ability Liberals look for in a leader – to rush in to take credit wherever possible, to freeze and melt into the background when what they supported doesn’t fly with the public, to make 180 degree turns within days, sometimes hours e.g. Canada’s (non) participation in the Iraq War, Israel committed terrorism in the last Lebanese War etc.
If you don’t like Liberal principles, that’s all right. They’ll have another set shortly. Whatever it takes to get elected and to get power.
This is media like the US election. CTV has become MNBC, the Globe has become the NYT. So where is the payoff? The NYT is rumoured to be getting a bailout. I didn’t mention the CBC because I couldn’t think of anything as one sided, other than Kos. Sad, thank you for SDA and news talk radio where the good ones skewer all politicians when they launch into the speil and don’t answer the question.
seeing as iggy will actually not be elected, he has effectively NOT commited to making a decision, just stated that he would IF he was elected
makes one go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Assuming this comes off as it should then we need to prepare for the real battle. Rae will be fighting it if he thinks has a hope, but if smells the way the wind is blowing, he will become a “supportive” member of caucus and probably push for the finance ministry.
Dion was fish in a barrel. Ignatieff won’t be.
Ignatieff will be playing the Obama campaign style, I predict. He’ll pretend to take the high road, while the bagmen do their work behind the scenes.
We can laugh at them all we like, point to their vacuous ideology, point to their inconsistencies, etc etc, but right now Obama is the prez-elect, isn’t he? So, we need to get serious, unless we want Obamanatieff as our next PM, sometime in the summer, after he has sorted out his affairs and feels ready to take down the Harper gov.
Ignatieff is a centrist who is a real threat to take back the centre votes that drifted to the CPC in the last election. Once the huff and puff from the events of the last week settles, and the coalition is a distant memory, we will see that these things have not been helpful to the CPC cause, and the battle will be tougher.
So get ready. We have a number of advantages over Ignatieff’s liberals: 1) experience; 2 current posessions of 24 Sussex; and 3) money
The last one will not be much of an issue. Once the libs see they have a real candidate, their financial position will improve, I predict.
And remember, nearly every single major economic upheaval of the 20th centry led to a change in government in Ottawa. That’s the way politics goes.
David Frum’s column from the Nat Post today was much better than his usual stuff. Worth a read.
http://tinyurl.com/5krah8
But also the followup column, showing a ray of hope….
http://tinyurl.com/65ybyv
Ignatieff has been walking on the “edge of the razor blade” playing both sides into the middle with the hope of “falling” into the side of what ever consensus that should emerge, for or against the Coalition.
The big wild card will be if Manley throws his hat into the leadership ring at last minute. The issuing bun fight will be worth the price of admission.
One way other another Ignatieff is going back to his books and Rea is going to have lots of “Rae Days” to contemplate there failures to the Canadian people.
To quote Sir Winston Churchill “Some men change parties for the sake of their principles. Others change their principles for the sake of the party.”
Thank you Olde Spice fro reminding me of that.
It was only 2 weeks ago that the Libs and Dippers were saying that PMSH would be running a deficit and how they wouldn’t stand for it. Now, they want to take down the government because PMSH WON’T run a deficit to give corporate welfare. What amazes me is just how many political supporters of the Libs and Dippers will change their principles on the drop of a hat in order to conform to their Party’s platform. In reality most of the Libs and Dippers haven’t any principles at all.
Please let Iggy be a bigger idiot than Dion, and let the Liberals pick him for leader.
Confusion to the enemy!
I know this is crude, but WTF!
This guy wants to win the hearts and minds by confusing people.
da proof is da proof is da proof is what is proven is the puffin poo.
That quote ranks pretty close to Cretin’s da-proof-is-da-proof comment.
What amazes me is just how many political supporters of the Libs and Dippers will change their principles on the drop of a hat in order to conform to their Party’s platform.
Posted by: Trent at December 7, 2008 10:48 PM
It’s a truly awe-inspiring effort in Orwellian double think happening in real life.
Iggy plays his sask. alta , manitoba card early.
Some Ukrainian-Canadian members of the riding association objected to the nomination, citing a perceived anti-Ukrainian sentiment in Blood and Belonging, where Ignatieff discusses Russian stereotypes of Ukrainians.[27] Critics also questioned his commitment to Canada, pointing out that Ignatieff had lived outside of Canada for more than 30 years. When asked about it by Peter Newman in a Macleans’s interview published on 6 April 2006, Ignatieff apologized for referring to himself as an American
Bob Rae is actually Gary Busey in disguise.
you couldnt be more self destructive without shoving a grenade up your butt.
just looked up iggys biography. he was 37 and 40 when his first kids were born.
as borat dion might say. I tink he spent long time fugging da dog.
Pardon me but it is my understanding that according to the Liberal party a member contesting for the leadership of the party cannot sit as interm leader since that position would contstitute a benefit for him in the leadership race. The interm leader must be seen as unbiased while leading the party through a selection process. Gotta wonder where the Liberal backroom boys dig these charicatures up. Without the CBC to wipe their noses and hindparts these academic clowns would be unemployed or still teaching.