Nice Try, Luser

35 Replies to “Nice Try, Luser”

1. Vheck out the angry faced pundits today over on We Hate Harper all the Time, National Newswatch, they are creaming themselves at the demise of Steve. Not one of these 1800 dollar a month losers care a bit about creating a better country, because they are liberals, all they know is to tear down, they hate themselves so they will try through the pen to destroy everything that is productive. Because Obama said the words “stimulus package” these asses think it is holy.

2. This “petition” may indeed be mischief-making but the sentiment is real.
   There was no need for Harper to poke the other parties in the eye in Thursday’s financial statment yet he did and kicked over a hornet’s nest (to mash metaphors). Just who does Harper listen to? Obviously not his MPs because they are reportedly furious that just 6 weeks after being elected they may lose their governing status. And for what?

3. “… we’ll be seeing lots of this in coming days.”
   Dear Kate, I’m so afraid you’re right. Terribly right. This is no laughing matter, this is insurrection.
   Now’s your hour.
   MM

4. Oh, no, Smithers! The Germans are angry at Harper. Harper’s so scared! Oooh, the Germans!

5. Toronto down 600 points this morning, why are Canadians standing for Lenins Nephew, teaming up with Gomer Pyle and Benidict Arnold to tear Canada up and turn it into Venezuela. This action by this team of theives is nothing short of treasonous. Time for Ed Stelmach and Brad Wall abd Gordon Cambell to call a meeting.

6. In a political battle that is filled with less than honourable people we need to keep our eyes on our goals. Do our homework and do our best.
   It’s important that we understand that tyranny
   has no moral or ethical code, so we need to settle down, keep putting our message out and most of all never panic.
   If our Country is to crumble beause of dirty tricks then we need to say we fought an honourable battle.
   I believe that Steven Harper and his entire caucus should be congratulated for bringing us good steady Government.
   Should dirty tricks take over than the people of Canada will get a dose of hard times that they
   will not be able to handle. Don’t waste the time of good people by second guessing Prime Minister Harper’s every decision.
   Write letters, phone in to open lines, bring up the truth at every occasion.
   Again if we are to lose our Nation to crooked unscrupulous people.. let’s go down fighting.

7. JMD, my theory?
   Harper knew that Taliban Jack was trying to backdoor a coalition from the day after the election til now. (Hence, the release of the tape.)
   He knew the opposition would try to force a non-confidence motion soon, and in order to keep their powder dry, he put a motion on the table that would force them to do it for selfish reasons.
   That’s why we see the government threatening to fall on the $1.95 issue rather than something to do with health, eduction, defense or even the economy. Even though the opposition would like to frame it as a matter of stimulus, the general public isn’t seeing it as such. The (wo)man on the street is mad as hell about this, and they will not take kindly to the Diplibs forming a government with the suicide bomber separatists.
   Even though it looks like harper has failed, I think he’s pulling the strings and setting his own timetable on an inevitable coup d’etat attempt.
   If I’m right, this is brilliant.

8. ‘Just who does Harper listen to?’ – good question, JMD.
   In a galaxy not far away, there was a PM Mulroney who waited until the last second to resign and let Kim campbell take over as PM to fight the required election. He gave her no time at all to get organized for election.
   At the time I pointed out that Mulroney deliberately shortchanged Campbell so that she would lose the election and the Liberals led by another easterner (Chretien) would win the election.
   People have to understand that was/is more far important for Ontario/Quebec/Demarais to have one of their locals leading the country, ie a Liberal or Conservative, than it was to have a Western Canadian leading any party as the PM.
   And PM Harper is perceived as a Westerner.
   Again today, it is far more important for Ontario/Quebec to get one of their own as CPC leader, or to have the Coalition of Liars and Thieves run the country.
   For instance, on CTV only weeks after the election, in a discussion on the new Harper cabinet, Robert Fife spent five minutes talking about all the possible leaders (Baird) that would take over from Stephen Harper when he would soon quit.
   Now why would Fife do that just weeks after an election if some people were not already planning it?
   PM Harper got some very deliberately bad advice.
   The more things change, the more they stay the same.

9. The one thing I’m sure of, is that this isn’t the first caucus call they’ve been “invited” to.

10. Iggy as PM?
    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b…coalition.aspx

11. Oh look, the definitive troll, BCL, comes to gloat. Still having to sneak around finding monikers that will let you into people’s blogs, Michael -St.Pauls?
    Nice dressing down you got from Mark Steyn the other day, btw. Twerp.

12. Prorogue parliament, take a month for the next phase of things to unfold.
    Any rumors of Senate appointments? If the government is going down, 18 vacancies being filled will surely happen.

13. It’s disgusting how the media is portraying this whole sorry debacle.
    Ever since the election, they have been snivelling ad nauseam how PMSH should work with the opposition to get things done. The Tories should compromise whenever possible to enact legislation. Why can’t we all just get along? Blah, blah, blah.
    Yet, when PMSH draws back from a contentious issue (removing the $1.95 per vote welfare cheques), the media responds with “Harper blinks”. “Tories in full retreat”. “Harper pulls back”. “Harper in surrender mode”.
    Not one word about compromise or working together.
    Sometimes you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

14. JMD, it was absolutely appropriate for Harper to repeal the handout as part of an economic cleanup. It was immediate cash staying in the treasury that wasn’t dependent on flow from taxes or other sources. The measure was inappropriate from the outset, and the only reason Chretien brought it in at the peak of liberal dominance in the house was to ensure they continued to have the cash necessary to keep the party up. Wouldn’t have been a bit surprised if the Liberals had used part of their share to “repay” ADSCAM and made a lot of noise about it. Too bad thenext election(s) went so horribly wrong for the Liberals. The revelation that the bloc is almost entirely funded by it should have gotten the media in an utter uproar…(funny about that…) That alone justifies the dumping of it.
    Flaherty’s bigger mistake may have been trying to stomp on the civil service union contracts (they’re not as generous as people would believe after finance minister Martin clobbered base pay rates years ago). Now the NDPy union management will actively get in the way of the CPC in government, something Harper can ill afford, if he survives this immediate catastrophe.
    The fix was in on this prior to the “statement”. Layton has yanked the liberal’s chain to get them to get their act together, and you can look to Bob Rae, with a foot in both camps, to fast track this ahead of Iggy solidifying his base.
    This is carpetbagging at its finest. Canada be damned.

15. Since the Bloc isn’t apparently getting any cabinet seats in the New Deal, what have they been promised? The only way a “2 1/2 year” deal can fly is if the Bloc supports is all the way. They ain’t going to do it for free. What have they been offered?

16. BULLSHIT!

17. I would imagine, SKIP, that the bloc has been promised the feifdom of Quebec,complete with Alberta money, for their support in this treasonous yet untenible action. To think that the bright red nose big foppy shoe crowd has planned this to such an extent as to have an economic council comosed of two former premiers from provinces that were dependant on the tax dollars from other canadians to remain afloat is quite laughable. The other two members of the “council” are storied finance ministers of the lengendary libral days, one taxed Canadian buiness so heavily that he moved his shipping company put of the country to avoid these taxes, while retaining the name of CANADA in his company name, the other completed the offloading of all the wonderful social progams imposed from ottawa unto the provinces. It is quite interesting to see that those how describe themselves as our betters, MSM and Ndp/Librals are again trying to social engineer a treasonous plot against Canadians just in time for the holidays.

18. The left favorite propaganda tool: misinformation. They try to create as much confusion as possible to hide the fact that they are gang-raping Canadian voter.

19. The visceral response of many on the left to this Harper misstep reveals a lot of pent-up anger. We did know it was there, but this is an overreaction. It is not legitimate for the Harper gov. to fall because of a position that they have now withdrawn or because the stimulus package will not appear for several more weeks. Part of what is feeding this are “Harper haters”. Many hated him even before he ever took office. I am not sure if there is a way to address that because he clearly also has many strong supporters. This situation is indicative of deep divisions in our country. A coalition would not get rid of these — but rather make things worse. A chastised Harper “making nice” with loyal Liberals could help reconcile things over time. Harper also needs to spend more time “making nice” to the media. He is quite capable of doing so, and this slip-up might be just what was needed for a re-think on his part.

20. I fired off a letter to the PMs office and to my MP stating my full support behind the Party, and that Stephen Harper is the leader I support to lead the Party period.
    It is clear that there is not only a coup being attempted, but that the media’s role (other than to aide and abet it) is to try to create an insurection within the CPC and push Harper from the leadership.
    Kate I hope your sure about the caucus calls because you truly are sure.

21. I can’t think of a better leader for the CPC and for Canada than Harper, and I would not want him stepping down if the CPC loses power. I think he needs to let this play out while he acts calm and conciliatory.
    The thought of NDP scum setting economic policy for Canada is literally nauseating for me.
    However, Harper and his advisers have blown it. I wonder how much blame accrues to Guy Giorno, who is an extremely partisan individual. Still, at the end of the day Harper must take the blame – all that talk about incrementalism and careful politics for years, and now this?
    Over a measly 30 million bucks? While we dished out the pork to Quebec by the billions? And got what?
    When I think of all the important work that will be undone by this fiasco it makes me want to cry. HRCs, immigration, crime….
    The only way out of this is if a sufficient number of Liberal MPs are alienated by the thought of getting into bed with the NDP and Bloc to stop the process…. but I just can’t see that happening. The hate-on they have for Harper is too great. It’s been building for years while he mocked them. I guess that’s another example of chickens coming home to roost.

22. I just did the exact same thing ward. Sent them another donation to support their efforts. Asked if there was anything else I could do. If you believe in something you support it, not like the clown parties and their puppets. Sorry I am a littled P*ss@d.

23. I don’t think that PMSH received bad advice. He has run a very competent Conservatives government through out his tenure.
    As they stated it starts with the government cutting back!. Far be it the public workers bureaucracy taking a cut back, figure out the hours, pension, medical benefit’s, taxable receipt’s they are allowed and you would find that they are well paid.
    Personally I think PMSH should not pulled anything presented. It was very good governance to table these items. IMHO if you thought that the money dissapeared before wait until you have 3 parties taking from the coffers. If they succeed, I bet you they will not be broke on the election call.

24. Globe & Mail poll needs our help.

25. At 10:05am PDT today Norman Spector will be on http://cknw.com
    I hope he slaps around our local host, Bill Good, who is acting like the rest of the Sheeple pundits across the country.

26. Layton was planning this for some time. It isn’t that ‘Harper blew it’; Layton was planning, and he would probably have done it at the February budget.
    And when Dion was still leader, before the Liberals had a chance to elect a new leader. Dion lives in a mythic world and would readily fall under the sway of Layton’s romantic talk about ‘saving the country’. I think that’s why Flaherty moved the budget date up – to prevent the Liberals from moving up their own leadership election.
    Are the Liberals really doing to install Ignatieff and thus ignore their own Liberal constitution and Liberal delegate’s right to choose their leader?
    And Layton is proposing something illegal. There is no legitimate right to take away power from the electorate and, via backroom deals of promised money to the Bloc and cabinet positions to others, set up a coalition, and expect the people to accept it as legitimate.
    That would mean that EVERY time a budget was tabled in a minority parliament – and with four to five political parties – that’s our fate – but every time a budget was tabled, this would be the opportunity for a few opposition parties to form a coalition and without an election, move themselves into the government! This isn’t a democracy~ It’s a third world strategy.
    So, this whole thing has nothing to do with Harper. Layton has been planning it for some time, and he would have done it with the budget.
    Harper, however, ‘called them’ out before the budget, with the 1.95 threat – which sets them up as pigs-at-the-trough and totally uninterested in the Canadian economy.
    Oh -and if there’s an election, will these parties be campaigning on their own or as a coalition? If it’s on their own, can we, the people, trust them not to form backroom deals after the election to develop a coalition? Can they be trusted?
    And what about the situation which sets up the Bloc, a party out of the electoral reach of the majority of Canadians, holding the key to power? Is this what we want – one province alone, Quebec, making the decision about our govt?

27. And another thing ET – if the three little piggies are planing to live together then we do not give any defeated Candidates from the Troika of Evil (Leftoverliberanos, Dippers or Blocistas) the 1.95. That would be triple billing the Canadian taxpayers.

28. This situation could be win-win, the coalition is almost bound to run into trouble and end in fiasco with Dion in charge, meanwhile, the Conservatives need to do a rethink on Harper’s leadership style, or perhaps more accurately the party’s chosen priorities, for example, very weak on freedom of speech, very weak on climate realism, and none too bright on public relations.
    PMSH thinks he deserves a never-ending “period of grace” from the conservative movement across the country, but for many months now there has been significant unrest, and the party elites and Harper loyalists are incapable of hearing this dissent or responding to it with anything better than “our way or the highway.” When you choose that cavalier approach, you’d better be prepared to hit the highway, and also, not to expect the uncritical and unreserved support of all conservatives in every instance.
    Harper has had time to adjust to problems and to set the bar higher, but he seems convinced of his indispenable nature within this movement. We should not be stuck at 35% in the polls and short of a majority. We should not be enabling climate lunacy and free speech taxation by Liberal ideologues. Also, in our name this government should not be extending the policy of an unrestricted abortion holocaust of the unborn. If Harper can’t articulate real conservatism, time to find someone who can. It’s not only about tax cuts, I think there are too many people out there who just want a tax cut and don’t have any other guiding principles or values.
    Let this coalition come, get bogged down and screw up, and use the time to reform the CPC and get ready to fight a real election campaign, not this tweedle-dee tweedle-dum nonsense where we govern as blue-Libs.

29. People seem to forget that under our system, during an election we don’t vote for a government. We elect a member to Parliament. It is up to the House of Commons to select a government within itself as they see fit. It does not have to be the party with the most votes if 50% of the House does not support that party. A coalition is therefore constitutional under our system.
    How, exactly, is it undemocratic for a group comprising 52% of the seats and 54% of the votes to depose a group comprising 47% of the seats and 37% of the vote? Isn’t democracy rule by the majority?

30. Herb, you are assuming the small dead mind is a rational mind.

31. Skip’s analysis: “Flaherty’s bigger mistake may have been trying to stomp on the civil service union contracts (they’re not as generous as people would believe after finance minister Martin clobbered base pay rates years ago). Now the NDPy union management will actively get in the way of the CPC in government, something Harper can ill afford, if he survives this immediate catastrophe.”
    Right on! The Harper government has been clumsy at times (and this is an example), but overall I think pretty effective. It is the nastiness of politics that seems to inevitably get in the way. The fix was in. The opposition was not prepared to give this government a fair test.

32. O’Donnel: “the Conservatives need to do a rethink on Harper’s leadership style” Part of the oppositions motivation in this (maybe most of it) is to get Harper. They think he is the only thing keeping the Conservatives in power. They are wrong, of course, but he is a strong advantage in the very nasty game of political jousting. I do not think this would be the right time to be looking for another leader. Harper essentially won the last election. He has been building support and many people like him. Partisans on the other side, of course, do not and getting rid of him is one thing they are after.

33. Herb: “How, exactly, is it undemocratic for a group comprising 52% of the seats and 54% of the votes to depose a group comprising 47% of the seats and 37% of the vote? Isn’t democracy rule by the majority?” The problem with this is that percentages alone do not establish legitimacy. The opposition does not at this point have an issue on which to take the Harper government down. Cons were just elected and not until an actual unacceptable budget is tabled is that is objectionable is it reasonable to challenge the government. This is political payback — and has little to do with democracy. Canadians have had not even had a chance to see what the Conservatives were planning to do. The preferences and I think interests of Canadians are being undermined.

34. Heh… Anonymizer. I’m familiar with that service.
    Got an email from that Noam character, too.
    Deleted it. No Conservative in his right mind would think there’s any need for the greatest leader ever to step down to appease the socialists and separatists.
    Thought to myself: Guy’s got a mental disorder…
    Now it’s obvious why.
    Undercover Leftist.
    Special K. operating out of the Librano putsch propaganda room? Wouldn’t surprise me.

35. Actually, even though I support the CPC, I do think Harper and Flaherty must resign. Please bear with me here…
    First, If Mr. Harper apoligizes to Canadians for his part in this crisis (not trying to work some sort of a CPC-Lib balance in a minority position) before coming back to Parliament in such an inflammitory manner.
    Second, He agrees to resign along with Mr. Flaherty, and asks the Madame Jean to Prorogue parliament until both the CPC and Liberal party have their new leaders in place, allowing a new CPC Prime Minister to open a new session of parliament with a throne speach and budget next spring.
    Then if the hellspawn trio decide to defeat the government at that time, the new PM should ask the G.G. for a spring election so Canadians can decide between the CPC lead by their new leader, or the Libs lead by a new leader, knowing that an NDP or Bloc member elected will be a Lib in socialist clothing.
    This is the only way I see for CANADIANS to decide on the government, and possibly save the country from the NDP-Bloc disaster in waiting merged with the crooks having the keys to the vault again.