101 Replies to ““They’re called facilitators for a reason””

  1. “Using terms like gay and retarded to describe something you don’t like is crude and really just shows why many of the children at Queens do not deserve to be there.
    Idiots are everywhere and there will be no stopping the behaviour, it is only through more discussion that we can come to understand and supersede these intellectually deficient losers.
    ”
    Yeah James. Used to have problems with them when I was a kid. Only then we called them bullies,and after a couple of “attitude adjustments”, they clued in a helluva lot faster than any “talk” with them will achieve. It is because of nuts like you who want to just “talk”,that kids can’t even be kids anymore on the playground(can’t play tag,ball,soccer.etc).
    Hope you don’t try to give one of these spoiled rotten,juvenile adults a “talk” while s/he are robbing your house!

  2. Oh. And I might add,that it’s nuts like you that got us this generation of spoiled rotten,lousy attitude,entitled brats,walking around in adult clothes.
    Guess the next thing will be for Queer…er….Queens to drop their requirements to get in.Oh wait.

  3. “Using terms like gay and retarded to describe something you don’t like is crude and really just shows why many of the children at Queens do not deserve to be there.
    Idiots are everywhere…”
    How is using the word “Idiots” any differnt that using the word “Retarded”?

  4. james – could you explain to me why calling a stupid idea or even person ‘retarded’ is a sympton of ‘an intellectually deficient loser’?
    You just called someone a ‘loser’. Is that OK with you? You just called them ‘retarded’, for the phrase ‘intellectually deficient’ means ‘retarded’.
    You just called them ‘idiots’, which is also another term for ‘retarded’. You called them ‘crude’. Indeed, your comments are filled with derogatory insults, and The Facilitators (aka the Thought Police) will surely take note of your sad views about people.

  5. Stop the bus, I wanna get off…
    I guess the modern university is one where history begins new each day.
    Does the Queen’s university not have a library? Orwell isn’t even your only warning about this sort of thing.
    Generally, one disdains the cheap shot of calling anyone you disagree with a fascist but in this case it actually fits.
    Our society is dying. We’ve gone too long without a lesson in the nature of things and we’re soft and stupid. We’ve grown up thinking that our peace and prosperity are a right that can’t be taken away instead of a fleeting moment soon to evaporate which needs to be fought for to be sustained for what little time you can manage to hold onto it.
    Sad really.

  6. Good point, Justthinkin.
    Why, it was only a year or so ago that the Green Left was trying to “talk” us climate skeptics into believing in AGW, found talking wasn’t going to cut it, and then people like Dr. Suzuki started publicly musing that skeptics should be jailed.
    Blockwart.
    Thank you for the new word Rob Harvie.
    I shall be using it.

  7. “I know now what to write them when they send their annual begging letter.”
    You only get something annually from them? I want to be on that list.
    Odd, when I was there in the 60s it was a “white” school (like most of Ontario), but we celebrated foreign and non-white students, ie, they got hammered with the rest of us, pre, post and during the games. We and they didn’t know we were racist bigots until the leftists told us so a few years ago.
    I’ll be pleased to tell the president and the alumni association to kiss my white ass and take me off their mailing lists. My alma mater of world repute is no more.

  9. When the universities send you their letters asking for money, mail it back to them in their own pre-paid envelope with a note saying that they obviously have money to burn if they’re hiring thought-police and that you have more worthy causes to support.

  10. Two degrees, and this is all she can aspire to in real life? Sheeesh!
    A PC random phrase generator should have been sufficient to put this kumbayesque CV together.
    Gotta be worth at least $150K annually, eh?
    ———–
    “Assistant Dean (Student Affairs) for Intergroup Programs and Community Development.”
    “.. champion day-to-day and strategic efforts to foster an engaged, inclusive, and vibrant residential community both on and off-campus for undergraduate and graduate students.”
    “… leverages the residential nature of Queen’s University, and the strong tradition of student leadership and shared governance, to provide venues (e.g. residences, dining facilities, formal and informal community spaces, publications, virtual environments, etc.) in which students are actively encouraged and expected to develop individual and cross-cultural awareness and skills (broadly defined to include race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, sexual identity, social class, ability, gender, faith, nationality, among other dimensions) in order to promote learning, personal development, and commitments to community and social inclusion.”
    “… oversees a number of Divisional efforts, and is also part of the Residences Management Team with the Director of Residence Life and the Director of Housing & Hospitality Services.”
    “… has impressed her staff, students, and colleagues with her impressive analytical acumen, compassion, multi-cultural skills, and project management expertise.”
    “… has significant experience with communications, human services, diversity, and education both in Canada and internationally.”
    E-mail: girgraha@queensu.ca
    ———————–
    Diversity: you’ll learn to love it; or else!

  11. You know the program is headed for disaster when most of the quotes from those involved are defensive, without one word on any sort of benefit.

  12. There is another word in the English language which is much more accurately descriptive of all of this then “social justice” or “inclusivity”. That word is “pandering”, with all of its negative connotations included.

  13. I am getting lost in this code-speak. What the…..
    is community development or multi-cultural skills?
    Would juggling daggers while dancing rumba on a scooter within confine of a penal colony qualify?

  14. Diversity via Instapundit
    “Nobody’s perfect.” That was the reaction of Louise Bimpson, our Corporate Director of Human Resources, to the complaint by Bill Wakeham, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Portsmouth, that physics departments contained too many upper middle-class white men. While admitting that the description fitted the Poppleton Department of Physics, which currently consists of 14 upper middle-class white men, she claimed that such imbalances were endemic in universities.
    “Our Sociology Department, for example, contains more than the average number of lower-middle-class whingers. There is also an abundance of cigarette-smoking aesthetes in the English Department, a surfeit of very elderly men wearing brown corduroy in the History Department, a plenitude of demented crystal-gazers in the Department of Complementary Medicine and a superfluity of people in higher management with extreme language difficulties,” she said.
    Ms Bimpson said she expected such differences would iron themselves out in time. “You only need to look back to the bad old days when this university was seriously overloaded with academics committed to a life of the mind. Just look at it now.”

  15. “I’ll be pleased to tell the president and the alumni association to kiss my white ass and take me off their mailing lists. My alma mater of world repute is no more. ”
    Amen to that Skip, I wrote my letter yesterday. More people need to speak up! My only hope is that the Principal is greeted tomorrow by 20,000 emails from Alumni on this. Queens clearly needs a Principal that knows how to do more than thought control and cancelling things.

  16. “.. adding that the facilitators could face “hostility” from students who feel they have been “cornered” or had their privacy violated”
    After a few students showing hostility get noted, then the scope will widen, maybe.
    Best thing is to be hostile to them at all times.

  17. I’d tell them to go F*** themselves, but I wouldn’t want to run the risk of there being a successful impregnation!

  18. Yet another nanny-state intervention. Having survived many homecomings including attending the evil Aberdeen street party, the cancelation of homecoming had drawn my ire already.
    Now with this announcement I doubt I will attend another homecoming, I’m assuming the speech police wouldn’t be off duty when the alumni were around. Can’t wait for the next fundraising phone call..am I still allowed to use the word ‘idiotic’ to describe the administration?

  19. Well perhaps there will be some real Canadian kids on that campus, who will grab one of the speech squealers, stick their head in a toilet and flush it.
    Just as we thinking adults have rejected the speech police, so will our thinking youth, they will just do it differently, and with cruelty.
    Our youth are not as stupid as the left-lib control freak socialist would like to believe. The socialist may have controlled the schools all these years but they are going to get their comeuppance.

  20. Having direct experience with those little darlings(student landlord in Kingston), let me offer a view from the inside.
    The majority of issues/problems/incidents involving students typically involves heavy substance abuse(booze, drugs) and hard partying. Generally(but not always) they are white, male, golden spoon fed children of the elites’.
    These folks better carry pepper spray, a baton, and a roll of paper towel(to clean up the vomit).
    One only has to witness how Queen’s had to formally cancel homecoming as of today because of behaviour bordering on the lunatic fringe…..and this is one of their solutions to deal with abhorhent student behaviour?????????
    Good luck with all of that, elitist morons!

  21. ‘Facilitator’ sounds ever so much more innocuous than ‘thought police’, and the leftard fascists always think the name is more important than the reality.

  22. I know, if I was at Queens I’d have a thought nazi ‘facilitating’ my assimilation into the Borg quicker than I could say ‘thought nazi’.

  23. ‘Dialogue’ monitors. Just another name for Informers. Thought police from the sixties mode of thought. To think these morons actually had to read the book 1984 in high school, than don’t recognize what they have become.
    Calling Canada a template for an Animal Farm fascist land, after another book by Orwell. Is an affront to animals the world over.
    Give a monkey a brain ,& they think there the center of the Universe.
    This is becoming a grim humorless age.

  24. Kingstonlad, Does Kingston police department not have a drunk tank? Or is it more that they aren’t allowed to bounce the university punks off the back wall of it the way they do the “normal” rowdy drunks?
    McMaster in Hamilton is not pure as the driven snow by a loooong shot, but the Hamilton cops aren’t shy about handling drunken punks memorably. This is reflected in the lack of drunken riots around here.
    Perhaps as a tax payer you should have a word with your city council, eh?

  25. Yeah, it’s never ending. My daughter, a dental hygenist, tells me that they can no longer refer to a patient as being ‘diabetic’. The only approved way of describing the patient to another staff member is as “a person with diabetes”.
    To refer to them as ‘diabetic’ is to ‘label’ them which apparently diminishes them as a person.
    Madness, madness everywhere.

  26. such as gender-neutral washrooms…
    I wonder what the punishment will be for leaving the seat up.

  27. They must now use gender neutral bathrooms? What happened to free expression? The implication is that significant numbers are housebroken, but is there any proof of this?

  28. Can you punch these facilitators?
    A guy I work with said the last place he worked you couldn’t call a grease nipple a grease nipple.
    One of the clerks at work told me I shouldn’t use the word Negro, I asked her about the United Negro College Fund, she seemed confused by that.
    The UNCF is right about one thing for sure, a mind IS a terrible thing to waste.

  29. ******such as gender-neutral washrooms…******
    some one must sure be F’d up if they are gender neuteral–or not
    and I used to think Queens was a upper crust school:-))))

  30. such as gender-neutral washrooms…
    You must’ve been absent from “social justice” 101 the day they the instructed the men how to squat when they pee in order to avoid fostering hurt feelings and feelings of inadequacy and inequality…

  31. such as gender-neutral washrooms…
    You must’ve been absent from “social justice” 101 the day they the instructed the men how to squat when they pee in order to avoid fostering hurt feelings and feelings of inadequacy and inequality…

  32. Bernie wrote: such as gender-neutral washrooms…
    I wonder what the punishment will be for leaving the seat up.
    I left out part of this post in my previous quote.

  35. Posted by: richfisher at November 19, 2008 3:56 PM
    You go it.
    This is a live example of how these blockwarts are going to go about their business. It would not be surprising if they made it an instruction video for the program.
    To many, this will seem as something that cannot happen in this country.
    For now there is a shade of it as in political correctness business.
    With these blockwarts it comes into the fullness of society in the march forward to socialist / fascist future.
    As things are today, if nothing cataclysmic happens, this is where Canada is heading.
    Interesting thing is that apart from so many of the people writing here, nobody is really bothered by it.
    In fact it is propagated (as at the said long school) and portrayed as though this is good.
    It may surprise those that contribute here that general population knows not about any of this. Depending on who will eventually if ever explain to them what is involved, they will agree or not. If they read this post, they may get the true picture. If they talk to Ms. Girgrah, they will get lost in the abyss of the wonderful rhetoric and become something like one of those pods in the Invasion of Body Snatchers.

  37. That 47yr old masters “student” looks like the type of guy that would volunteer to be a facilitator. ie: A loser! The type of guy that quit wearing underwear because he was sick of pulling them out of his colon all the time.
    I’m really really getting tired of all these losers doing whatever it is they can to get into positions of power to seek their retribution. Get over it will ya!

  38. It is infinitely naaive for these people to think that opinions that differ from theirs are due to lack of education (“ignorance”).
    It’s a new kind of hall monitor: one that monitors conversations – private conversations; wow, that’ll go over well. It’d be like having a guidance counselor hiding in a stall in the bathroom, ready to pop out at a moment’s notice. Next thing you know, the leftist illuminati will be taking nonconformist students off to a camp for “re-education” somewhere.
    At least they’re encouraging critical thinking, free speech, and intellectual reflection. Oh – wait…

  41. Brutal. “Facilitators” eavesdropping on private conversations. I’m frightened that in a place of supposed higher education, this kind of concept could gain any traction whatsoever.

  42. Universities have a choice. They can be bastions of free inquiry. Or they can have “speech codes”. It’s either/or.
    From the National Post, some “sample guidelines” for the Thought Police program (disguised as Intergroup Dialogue): “A derogatory term is posted on a floor, or is expressed in an interaction or while a joke is being told. The intergroup facilitator (IF) identifies the student who used the offending term and prepares to visit with the resident. The IF approaches the student in a friendly, non-confrontational, non-judgmental and open manner. After introductions, the IF broaches the topic with the resident and asks if they can chat about the incident. The IF might share their impact and inquire about the perspective of the student with respect to the use of the term. The two would ideally engage in a respectful and educational dialogue and the IF would gently challenge thinking if necessary. The IF will ask questions and use their communication skills to help the individual relate to the experience of marginalization or exclusion that comes from being the target of such derogatory terminology. The IF will end the conversation on a positive note or with an open invitation to discuss further.”
    Re the above. (1) The very act of the IF approaching the student is confrontational and judgmental. The entire concept here is judgmental in the extreme. (2) What if the offending student chooses not to discuss the alleged incident? (3) This “respectful and educational dialogue”, with the IF “gently challenging thinking if necessary”, sounds like the proverbial iron fist in the velvet glove. (4) I suspect the IF will end the conversation “on a positive note” with something like, “I’m positive that you will be expelled if you do this again”. (5) What happens if a student makes a false accusation against another? How can the IF figure this out? It sounds like he’s prosecutor, judge and executioner rolled into one.
    The Globe story quoted the editor of the student newspaper (which editorialized against the program) as saying that many people form their opinions in conversations, so stifling that is dangerous.
    Re “gender-neutral washrooms”. This is another preposterous notion that doesn’t promote diversity in any way that I can see. Leering and sexual assault, possibly. The NP story mentions prayer rooms in the same context. I trust they’re religion-neutral prayer rooms? And can anyone see a devout Muslim student (of either sex) using a “gender-neutral washroom”?
    Stan, commenting: “One of the clerks at work told me I shouldn’t use the word Negro, I asked her about the United Negro College Fund, she seemed confused by that.”
    I guess the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People would be REALLY confusing?

  43. What’s a gender neutral bathroom?
    Perhaps an overseas style where there is no toilet at all – only a hole in the floor with two footpads.
    This insane political correctness must stop – beginning with plucking the low hanging fruit, one issue at a time. How long will it be before one of these thought police people are the leading edge of an HRC filing?
    The ON HRC was recently given a stronger mandate and a bigger budget. Not a good sign at all.

  44. While I’ve been reading all this claptrap, one song kept playing in my mind, over and over. Cheap Trick’s Dream Police.
    “The dream police, they live inside of my head.
    The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
    The dream police, theyre coming to arrest me, oh no.”
    Coming soon to a (taxpayer funded)urnalversity near you.

  45. We don’t need no educaition
    We don’t need no thot control
    Teacha – leave those kids alone.

  46. Does anyone remember the name of the US university that instituted a mandatory “re-education” program for its students in residence? Eastern seaboard, Rhode Island?

  47. “such as gender-neutral washrooms…
    I wonder what the punishment will be for leaving the seat up.”
    ~Bernie
    No problem.
    The seats stay down. They just get wet.
    “What’s a “gender-neutral washroom”?
    Kotex machine above a urinal?”
    ~ural
    Not above the urinal, it’s on one side while the condom machine is on the other side.

  48. To DaninVan:
    Some examples, get the right people in the meeting. How do these facilitators know that these are the right people to discuse these topics?
    Have a detailed agenda….conversations never have an agenda.
    Have a clear purpose for the meeting. What purpose if they are only discussing?
    Have set groundrules for the discussion….once again, if they are coming into a discussion already, there are no groundrules.
    Create a comfort level for the participants. Will these people really want someone cutting in on them?
    BE INVITED. Will the facilitators go away if told seeming they were not invited to the meeting?
    And the biggest one, a majority if a facilitators work is pre and post meeting work. How will they accomplish this when they do not know the participants, the possible discussion, and the participants desired outcome unless they are looking at the outcome as one given to them by the University.
    Just some examples…

  49. I swear to god if I’m ever in a place lame enough to have a “gender-neutral washroom” I’m peeing all over the seat out of spite (for management, not the ladies – if there happen to be any.)

  50. Re “Gender neutral washroom” ; just curious, would that be the same as unisex washrooms; All the appropriate plumbing fixtures but available to both (all) genders?…as opposed to eliminating urinals (converting to footbaths)?
    Where’s the impetus to share bathrooms?
    Sounds like a manufactured crisis to me. Social engineering of males to eliminate the raised toilet seat issue.
    robp; thanks for the background info.

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