US hands control of Anbar province to Iraqi military.
And may I take this opportunity to send this little shout-out to my friends on the chickendove left – I hope the sonsabitches among you who gloated (yes, you did) over every “flag draped coffin” and murderous suicide bomb enjoy that special spot in Hell that has been reserved for you.
You’ve earned it.
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Kate, right on. We must never quit reminding US hating lefties that the only free speech they might enjoy were it not for America would be in high or low German.
Liberal battle cry, HELP.
One of those very special spots will be for the liberal media whores. May they spend eternity living amongst their peers in their community death stench.
Media commentary is by its very nature short term…..it overshoots when they are winning, look at the rah rah coverage when they invaded, breathless commentary as they rode the guntlet toward bagdhad.
Then it becomes overly negative when things dont go swimingly. Media coverage and its instant natur may have changed, but that war is longer than a 24 hour news cycle has not. Strategic changes, such as the surge and the change to proper 4G tactics are lost on most journalists whose commentary cannot contradict what they said in the past but cant see far enough ahead to put a narrative in place that picks up bg wheel changes.
Shame on the reporters but big shame on the editors who are supposed to guide and ensure that these kinds of things dont happen. News reporting is broken, I just wonder when they’ll realize it?
What in the hell is a chickendove? The term is completely nonsensical.
Manny – let me put it another way for you. How about “chickenshit doves”. Get it now?
Yup. Eleven down. Seven to go. Should be doable within a couple of years at the most, at which time America’s troops will all be able to go home. I guess the leftards (chickenshit doves) will have to find some other focus for their Anti-US/Anti-Imperialist outbursts.
Apologies to those who genuinely suffer from the affliction, but those on the anti-everything section of the political spectrum remind me of folks with Tourette Syndrome. They can’t help it. They’ll simply have to look elsewhere.
Nope. It’s still So senseless as to be laughable: absurd, foolish, harebrained, idiotic, imbecilic, insane, lunatic, mad, moronic, preposterous, silly, softheaded,etc…
Ralph Peters has a good column on the Anbar handover:
(Via CSP) An Unsung Victory
All too easy to miss the biggest story out of Iraq this year: Yesterday, security responsibility for once-bloody Anbar Province officially passed from the US military to the Baghdad government.
Fallujah. Ramadi. Al Qaeda’s worst atrocities. Those opposed to the liberation of Iraq celebrated years of headlines from Anbar.
Then it all changed: We won – and the headlines vanished…
Um…I doubt any lefty gives a frig what you think, but I suspect the psychological community might.
It’s a term I coined for those who – in the name of “peace” – cheer the successes of our enemies from behind the sanctuary provided by the ones they hope will be humiliated through defeat.
I cant wait for the debates with Stephen Harper, Borat Dion and Taliban Jack.
Borat will look like a blathering simp. and Taliban Jack simply blathering. The lieberals will be screaming to keep the Green Party out because May will make more sense than Borat.
It’s a term I coined for those who – in the name of “peace” – cheer the successes of our enemies…
Oh, that straw man.
During the second world war the “people for peace” demonstrated against the war until Germany invaded Russia,the next day they were absent and never demonstrated again till the cold war started.I wonder who the”people for peace”are being funded by this time?
What in the hell is a chickendove? The term is completely nonsensical.
Yes Manny they are, utterly nonsensical. they usually support every violent commie action and wear che gueverra shirts too.
“I wonder who the”people for peace”are being funded by this time?”- some right-wing paranoid.
I think we can eliminate, Blackwater, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, racists, chickenhawks, AIPAC, “Real Christians”….
Hear hear!!
Hear hear!!
In a perfect world, every soldier in the line-of-fire would have a journalist to stand behind while they return fire.
They’d be able to win the war faster after all the journalists were dead.
Must be a sad day in NDP HQ and the tears are flowing over at the Council of Canadians offices.
They’ll cheer up when the 100th casualty happens.
To all leftists.
Kindly post a site were I can read about socialism EVER working in the real world.
Not some theoretical hope or babble from your vaunted university sycophants or such. Just Real advancement for any peoples or country. I guess for your types, I’ll have to add that only democracies count.
manny:
I’d like to hear your opinion on the fact that the Iraq military, which answers to a democratically-elected government, is now in charge of a most of its country and US troops will mostly be out of Iraq by 2011, as agreed to by the US and Iraq.
I hope you’re not pining for the good old days of Saddam’s dictatorship.
“Kindly post a site were I can read about socialism EVER working in the real world.”
Ummm…perhaps you might consider the public education system, which I would concede is not without some failings…as exemplified by you.
manny – ‘chicken dove’ is an excellent metaphor. The noun is ‘dove’ which is a symbol of peace; the adjective is ‘chicken’, which is a symbol of cowardice. Get it? A cowardly peacenik.
It describes someone who professes peace but won’t defend it if trouble starts. Instead, they hide in the secure zone set up by the people who actually protect the society. And, safe and secure as they are, they yell their support for the aggressors.
Iraq was a dictatorship. I don’t know if you supported Saddam Hussein or if you just looked the other way at his treatment of Iraqis.
The Middle East was trapped within a tribal political infrastructure that had moved it into Islamic fascism. This fascism was moving out of the ME and attacking the West. I don’t know if you approve of the West being attacked by Islamic fascists or what you think ought to have been done when they did so.
Bush’s answer was to drive a wedge into the ME tribalism by taking out the dictatorship, and enabling Iraq to set itself up as a democracy. The idea is that this infrastructure of democracy, which gives power to the people rather than to the tribal bosses, would spread in the ME. And stop fascism. I don’t know your suggestion for dealing with fascism.
It seems to be working; the Iraqi people are a democracy; they are taking over full control; they are able to confront and deal with this internal fascism. Don’t you approve? If not, why not?
You say Manny…I say Girlie. I wonder what I mean by that. So perplexing.
The turnover of Anbar is a big deal.
I read that the Anbar turnover was delayed twice because of arguments between the roles and responsibilities shared between the Anbar Government and the Iraqi Government. What is really impressive is that they jointly negotiated a deal to respect the Sunni’s in Anbar which shows you that democracy is really taking hold – they are talking, sharing, and growing without guns, assassinations, and bombs – very impressive.
So the public education system is a shining example of socialism functioning exactly as it should in the real world, with real benefits to all involved, including those forced to pay for it.
And its only failings are those who emerge at the end of it not sharing your opinion.
Perhaps you have a point; no one can claim that the public education system ever killed 100 million humans, fomented revolution, assassinated dissenters or took them away in the night to gulags in Siberia. Public education didn’t lead to Pol Pot’s killing fields; his thugs targeted those who wore glasses because they might be intellectuals.
Maybe socialism at its best just looks like my son’s principal trying to get him labeled as a trouble-maker for the rest of his academic career because she doesn’t like his lack of tolerance for fools. (We told him to pull in his horns; elementary school is not forever.)
My point is that socialism ‘at its best’ leads over time to socialism at its worst. And if public education at its best not only produces people who believe that surrender to their enemies and appeasement of those who would prey on them is a moral imperative – but then actively employs those idiots to shape the minds of the impressionable young – then its best is hardly anything of which to be proud.
Sorry, public education is not the brainchild of socialism.
It predates socialism by a considerable number of years.
I hope you’re not pining for the good old days of Saddam’s dictatorship.
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No, I’m pining for the days of democracy in Iran under Mossadeq that was crushed by the CIA and started the chain of cause and effect that led to amiable dunce Reagan’s best friend Saddam gaining power and to the situation we have in the Middle East today.
No ET, the term is as inane as your feeble attempt to lend it credibility, as inane as your tiresome tribal theorizing.
manny:
How would you propose changing history?
Let’s deal with today’s situations, not some obsession from a half-century ago.
Reagan’s best friend Saddam? Wow.
“…the days of democracy in Iran under Mossadeq that was crushed by the CIA…”
I think an oil deal negotiated in 1931 by FDR with the Saudi royal family has more to do with our current situation than a 1950’s coup in Persia against your beloved “progressives”. Dream on.
“amiable dunce Reagan”
Was Reagan a dunce when he was Screen Actor’s Guild president? Or did he “lose intelligence” while he drifted rightward?
Next step: Iraqi provincial and municipal elections scheduled between September 31 and December 1.
Another job well done. Now, we need to get out of there ASAP. Anytime we hang around anywhere, except maybe Japan, the place turns into a sloppy, mismanaged mess [oh, just like the U. S.]. There are worse results I guess.
An obvious left-winger administering a history lesson is beyond laughable. My experience has been that those of the left persuasion either have little or no knowledge of history or choose to demonstrate the art of selective memory. Any comparison of their views to those held by previous proponents of appeasement usually results in nothing more than slack-jawed bewilderment. To them, Neville Chamberlain was a former NBA star.
In the fantasy world of the left-winger, western armies should don blue helmets, march under the banner of the UN, discard their weapons and be content to issue severe scoldings to African tribes systematically butchering each other. After all …. look at the resounding success in Rwanda, for example.
As for the Middle East …. well there may be a few, scattered radical jihadists running amuck, but that situation will sort itself out eventually. After all, they’ve never attacked the West. 9-11 you say? Inside job.
Operation Phantom Thunder seems like so long ago but it was just a year ago that the surge hit its stride. Well done, General David Petreaus. (You only betrayed the internal enemies.)
Sorry for rushing through my last post: I failed to convey forthrightly that I do not think public education is socialism at its functioning best. I thought I was writing in a deadpan tone conveying disbelief – or at least that’s how I heard it.
I don’t really think the public education system is socialism at all although it is rife with those who believe that the bloodier bits of the twentieth century happened to eggs being broken in the name of omelets, and not people.
Since the surge seems to be a success, we should expect a spate of history books written to revise all that.
no, manny, the way to rebut someone’s argument with which you disagree, is not to call it ‘tiresome’ but to actually provide some facts and analysis that supports your point of view.
You haven’t done that.
It’s a fact that tribalism is a political mode. I bet you’ve never researched its nature and know nothing about how such a system operates. Try reading up on it.
It’s also a fact that tribalism operates in the ME.
It’s a fact that tribalism is dysfunctional in large populations, urban domains, and with industrial economies. I bet you don’t know that either.
When the people are not allowed participation in their own political and economic decision-making, and are repressed by an authoritarian govt, then, some utopian ideology is a result. Fascism is the one that emerged in the ME in the 19th c, and it expanded greatly after the exponential rise in population, and the emergence of industrialism in the WW years..long before your singular focus on Mossadeq.
Oh – his govt wasn’t democratic. He was quite authoritarian, setting up ’emergency powers’ for himself. However, he did indeed try to break the feudal (tribal) powers of the old Iranian aristocracy. But would that have resulted in another Zimbabwe?
By the way, do you know why the West had to develop the ME oil industry? Because there’s no science, no technological devt in the ME. So, the only way to access that oil was via the expertise of the West. Indeed, in the ME, this situation remains; the majority of technological expertise are western workers.
Oh – do you think that after the West funded (got that – funded) the devt of this oil, and provided the technological ability and machines to extract the oil, that it would be OK for the ME to say – ‘it’s all ours now; get out’. That’s called exploitation.
I bet you don’t know anything about that either.
You are quite wrong to think that the overthrow of Mossadeq led to Saddam Hussein. That’s silly.
Again, I don’t think that you understand the centuries old ooperating infrastructure of the ME and what happens when this structure meets up with the modern age; they don’t go together..and the result is ..fascism.
You ought to be pleased that a genuine democracy is emerging in the ME. It’s puzzling why you are so opposed to it.
“I hope the sonsabitches among you who gloated (yes, you did) over every “flag draped coffin” and murderous suicide bomb enjoy that special spot in Hell that has been reserved for you.
You’ve earned it.”
Can I ask what this is supposed to mean? Who gloated?
spike 1, that would be George Soros.
A brilliant achievment. However after hearing about Iraq’s 70 billion surplus and how the US tax-payer is covering most of the infrastructure spending, I can’t shake the dread that one day we may find that the US paid a lot of jizya and that the so-called democracy was just play-acting to keep it flowing.
Fingers crossed that Iraq doesn’t fall under Iran’s sway as has Syria and Lebanon, the latter with US assistance. That, as Saddam might have put, would be the Mother of All Unintended Consequences.
Bush deserves great praise for at least not saddling the US with a second bout of Vietnam syndrome and for rejecting the Iraq Study Group and the a88hole Baker.
Hush, everyone!
Kate’s communing with her imaginary self-created straw man boogie-woogie eternal enemies again!
Gets lonely out on the prairies, ya know!
“reserved for you.”
And like Pavlovs slobbering mutts; (Apologies to mixed canines) real , manny, joebaloney, war is peace, Murder is ok and David, show up trying to VIP themselves in before the throng.
Good one Kate!
t robert. it sure as hell is socialism. what do you call trying to get everyone to follow the same path?
Socialism is just another Death Cult like the Religion that cannot be nammed.
I suppose I am looking back at what I took out of elementary school: the bare-bones 3 Rs (although I had already learned to read before I started kindergarten) as nothing else seemed to stick, and assuming that this is how it was for everyone. By the end of high school I was already independent of conventional thought (if nevertheless an uninformed idiot, but that’s just the normal know-it-all teen-ager thing).
On the other hand, I graduated 28 years ago.
My apologies to Kate for dragging this thread off topic.
And, safe and secure as they are, they yell their support for the aggressors.
It’s worse than “chicken”, it’s biting the hand that feeds them (so to speak). Think petulant, spoiled children egged-on by powers they know nothing about.