How come Toronto has all of the smog?
Manufacturing has killed rivers and lakes in Ontario, but Alberta oil sands are now the big bad polluters? We are “easy” targets for ignorant Canadians, who will blindly believe “big oil” with their “big profits” are responsible for all their problems. Bet most central Canadians don’t even know that they get their “blood” oil from Arab countries, not from safe, secure, freedom loving, Alberta.
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So, how many smog days has Toronto had so far this year? Is Lake Erie still a “dead” lake? Just thinking, maybe Ontario and Quebec should get their own provinces in order before they slag Alberta.
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“So, how many smog days has Toronto had so far this year?”
Six.
Let’s think of Alberta and Sask as China and India and Ontario and Quebec as the ‘developed countries’.
Wouldn’t it make sense to exempt ‘China and India’ from the Green Shift and have the ‘developed countries’ lead by example?
The developed countries have had their robust economies and industry and poor old China and India just want their piece of the pie.
So go ahead Ontario and Quebec, lead by example and exempt AB and SK for now. We’ll catch up with you later…
Scott,
The problem with that line of thinking is that Alberta, economically, is as prosperous as Ontario and Quebec. Alberta is no developing economy.
And I say this as a AGW skeptic, a native Albertan, and a supporter of Quebec sovereignty.
Toronto reaps the harvest it sewed when so many years ago it stopped building roads.
Cars sit, unproductively, in some of the worst traffic in North America.
Meanwhile, over on the toll road partially owned by the Teachers Pension Fund (anyone asking themselves how the Teacher’s Pension Fund has 55 billion or so lying around? when the rest of us have no pension funds anymore, at all), the very voters that Dion thinks will swallow his idiotic plan blast down the road in the SUVs at 130/140).
Ontario is insane. Quebec is insane too, but has perfected the art of freeloading, which I must grudgingly acknowledge.
Nevermind though, because Dion is taking the LPC into the vast wasteland by hammering a representative of their beloved core consituency – the eastern urban female voter. What a hideously stupid move he makes to be deplored by a woman’s self-defense, and I applaud him for that.
scott – perfect analogy. Thanks.
As for the smog in Toronto (where I live) – well, the pundits here always blame it on The Usual. The Americans.
You see, it’s THEIR industrial fog that is blowing across the lake to us, the Pure and Simple.
Just as our leftist Mayor, whose solution to the enormous gun violence in Toronto is to ‘ban guns in Toronto’ -when handguns have been registered since 1934 and no decent hardworking criminal registers his guns or would bother with a ‘ban’.
Then, Mayor Miller, does the usual leftist tack;he blames the Americans. You see, the guns are coming from the US. Oh..it’s Canadians who are purchasing and using those guns? Miller doesn’t have a word to say about that.
Toronto smog is caused by our geographic location near the lake, and by our very own industries and cars. It’s ours; all ours. And posting signs forbidding idling – which is never enforced – is as useless as banning guns will stop the daily use of guns in violent crimes in Toronto.
moved . . .
Didn’t Dulton promise to close down all those nasty coal fired power plants in Untario ?
Uh huh . . . but he didn’t because all the enviro hypocrites in Torontuh would go ape shit crazy if they didn’t have the electricity to run their air conditioners.
Oh so holier than the rest of us. So pure, so clean so environmentally aware.
So full of crap.
Again, thank you for the link Kate!
Saskatchewan will be the next target of the environmentalists. Funny how I never hear about environmentalists actually DOING anything about pollution, like helping to build a water well in northern Saskatchewan.
Just for the record…
Sometimes it is just blame embarrassing to be from Ontario.
One must love the hypocrisy of your typical leftarded Ontario moonbat.
On any given day, half of our beaches are closed in the summer. The city of Kingston has been fined for dumping raw sewage into lake Ontario, and we have a landfill that was oozing chemicals into our water as well.
When I go to Toronto on business, the air is so polluted, that I can’t even go for a run. If you can get past the winos who have pissed themselves, litter is everywhere.
And if you want to see a real environmental gem, drive by any housing project on garbage day…..f@#$ing disgusting.
…..winos and crackheads…
this generation needs a “depression”
something like the dirrrty thirties.
then they will have something to tell their kids
instead of green whining
It’s hilarious. Yes, if Canada jumps on board with Kyoto and has to reduce it’s emissions by ‘X’ amount – you can bet those reductions will be made in the west and that we will pay a price for it if the clotpoles in Quebec and Ontario have their way.
They are so economically clueless that they cannot see how that will impact them. They think they can foist the cost of this crap off on somebody else. Got news for ya, folks – we will ALL be paying for this stupidity one way or another.
I think it is time for the west to leave. This nation is just f***ed and men like Dion can only make that worse.
To quote a famous politician–“Let the Eastern basta*%$ freeze in the dark”!!! Sounds better every year. You can’t breathe the air in Ontario. You can’t drink the water, you can’t swim in the water, the rain burns your skin, and we whine about Alberta?. Give me a break.
What are people in Ontario and Quebec using to fuel their cars, houses, factories, etc.? Have they switched completely to solar energy, or is there still some burning of fossil fuels in these two provinces? I find it just a bit hypocritical to go after the Alberta and Saskatchewan energy sector while consuming massive quantities of the very product being produced by this sector. It is not unlike protesting outside a Tim Horton’s while shoving fresh baked doughnuts in your mouth. I do not care whether the oil is coming from Western Canada or from somewhere in the Middle East. Its a global market, and oil is oil. If Dion wants to put the brakes on the West’s production of oil, then he should convince Ontario and Quebec to quit using energy. The drop in demand will result in a drop in world oil prices which will decrease the amount of exploration and production globally. Until this happens, everyone just shut up and enjoy your doughnut.
Not only does the socialist and brainless Miller blame guns for Toronto’s ever increasing murder rate – rather than protected minority criminals living in multicultural ghettos – his most recent pompous attempt is to control US legislation:
City TV headline: “Mayor Miller Wants Ottawa To Pressure U.S. For Tougher Gun Laws”
The worst thing that can happen to Alberta, due to its robust economy, is to attract the leftist rats bailing out of the sinking east, the hull of which they’ve eaten a gapping hole through. These filthy, diseased types are always attempting to control money, growth and legislation as a means to their own depraved political ends, which inevitably results in complete social chaos and economic destruction.
Alberta: Get the lead out.
Another blogger writing about this very issue.
http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/ontario-taxing-for-have-not-status.html
I doubt Central Canadians will ever stop re-electing a Federal Liberal Government.
It is up to Western Canada to get these bullies off our back by separating. Eastern European immigrants built Western Canada once, we can do it again.
“Bring your cultural traditions with you, we will respect them, and allow you to practice them.”
What if that tradition includes a love of handguns?
The left did it to itself with the handguns in Toronto, by opening the doors to a culture that has a traditional love of handguns.
And now they want to blame a third party and trading partner for their own stupidity.
Let me see if I have this correct: throw the doors wide open to a handgun-loving culture; rely on tourist dollars in your local economy; bash the large community of would-be tourists on your southern border by blaming them for the problem you created in the first place; whine about the tourists staying away.
Oh please, Miller, just go away. You can’t manage a run-down motel let alone a major city.
The Dion plan has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with wealth redistribution. Taxing carbon will raise the price of everything.
Albertans will be faced with some simple choices if the eastern majority elects Dion and he attempts to destroy the Alberta economy.
Alberta can leave it’s oil in the ground pumping just enough so that Albertans don’t suffer. Manufacturing jobs across the country would be lost, equalization payments from Alberta would cease and the wealth redistribution programs that Dion implemented would need new sources of funding. All the people who moved to Alberta to participate in the boom would have the privilege of going back from whence they came, likely to far tougher economic conditions than those that caused them to leave in the first place.
Alberta could consider separation, a move that if implemented would have dire consequences for the rest of Canada. Alberta could still produce all the oil it wanted and by implementing a made in Alberta requirement for all technology used in the oilsands could ensure that the economic benefits accrue to the owner of the resource, that would be Albertans. Meanwhile in the east all those manufacturing jobs associated with the oilsands would simply vanish.
Alberta, should they choose to play hardball, holds very powerful cards and will not be held hostage by the eastern majority. As we will all find out over the next 25 – 50 years global warming and its reincarnation as climate change is not a manmade product. As they found out during the Little Ice Age it’s going to get a lot colder and Dion and his carbon tax can’t do diddly to prevent it.
shaken – I’m confused. Are you saying that the cause of gun violence in Toronto is due to the existence of a ‘gun-loving culture’, ie, the USA, next door to us?
I find that a weak suggestion. Isn’t the existence of (gun)violence in Toronto due to the violence of people who actually live in Toronto? Isn’t it due to the emergence of a criminal economy based around traffic in drugs and stolen goods? And to the permission by the courts with their lax sentences of people in Toronto dealing with their anger by violence (guns and knives)?
What does this criminality have to do with the US’s Second Amendment?
ET, think again about what culture loves handguns. I was not referring to the USA.
Gasoline produces more C02 than diesel, so of course the logical thing to do would be tax diesel and not gasoline.
Er, not.
Not that is if the goal of Dion’s latest fiasco is to lessen C02 emissions.
But if you factor in that the liberal voting east uses more gasoline and the evil non-liberal voting west uses more diesel fuel, it all makes sense.
It ties in with the liberal GreenShaft website which will spell out just how much loot you will get from the new tax but has no information on how much it will reduce C02 emissions.
Are the liberals right? Will the voters fall for this?
Are the Canadian voters gullible enough to fall for a program that has vote buying aspects of it that will increase C02 emissions?
All right people, as much as I’m glad to be out of the cesspool of stupid that is Toronto, the last time I checked, Dion is from F’ing Quebec and Greenpeace was founded in F’ing Vancouver.
Give it a rest already. There are plenty of conservatives in Ontario.
In case you had your head up your ass, I thought I’d let you know that the people in Ontario are no more likely to want to be fleaced to death by Dion as you are. That is one of the many reasons Harper will win a majority in the next election.
There are 41 CPC MP’s in Ontario. Give us a break. It’s not all about screwing the west.
Thanks, Warwick.
BTW, folks, Lake Erie hasn’t been “dead” for about twenty years. Please update cliche index.
Drive out of Toronto and within minutes you will discover most of Ontario consists of thousands of square miles of unspoiled wilderness, forest, lakes, farms and wonderful scenery. It just goes on and on and on and on….
Ask Kingstonlad about his area sometime.
And, as warwick says, millions of us vote conservative.
Sure hope so Warwick ….. sure hope so….
charlie98 wrote:
“Alberta, should they choose to play hardball, holds very powerful cards”
So can/does Canada charlie…it’s called the Canadian Army!
Sorry charlie…
PS. Dion and all the last 50 years of socialist red liberals are ALL wealth-distributing, corrupt leftards but that being said Alberta is Canada and so is the oil.
Pbbffbfbt.
Your military has its hands full with Afghanistan. Furthermore, if you think they will stand behind you if you want to get stupid about this, you are in for a rude shock.
And even if you are right, we can swap some oil to the yanks in exchange for some well placed daisy cutters.
Make my day Manty. 😉
BwaHaHaHa!!!!
It is quite clear you have a “rusty bucket” intellect, charlie. Geopolitics is not your strong suit it seems.
“they”, “you” are us…well maybe not YOU!
ROTFL!!
“your military”?
Are you from France or are you a traitor Rusty? Because if you’re a Canadian, it’s our military.
Manty’s foolish comment notwithstanding.
Americans are complaining about dirty oil on one hand, and praying we don’t build a pipeline to the west coast on the other. I’m not the least bit worried about the US restricting the flow of oilsands oil. They need it, we have it, lets deal.
My biggest fear is that China will get a foot in the door. India already has property there, and China has a backdoor entry through Husky Energy. Anyone here not know that Husky is a Chinese company? They have a very big chunk of property up there. They also have a huge offshore play on the east coast. Oh well, at least they’re still hiring Canadian workers.
dp,
Husky is a publicly owned company trading on the TSX whose largest shareholder just happens to be a Canadian citizen regardless of his Chinese background.
Where are you from, DP?
And who precisely is that ‘largest shareholder’ you refer to, Warwick?
Ontario likes to think of itself as being ahead of the rest of Canada in all things but the truth is they are far far behind the west in almost all areas, Technoligy, healthcare,education, research and development and all enviromental programs.
Hell they still have lead pipes in many of it’s public buildings, even Parliament’s tap water is un-fit to drink.
I worked in Toronto twenty yrs ago and the smog was disgusting by 5 am, I can only imagine what it is like now.
Manty wrote:
“So can/does Canada charlie…it’s called the Canadian Army!
Sorry charlie…
PS. Dion and all the last 50 years of socialist red liberals are ALL wealth-distributing, corrupt leftards but that being said Alberta is Canada and so is the oil.”
Actually Manty natural resources such as oil and gas belong to the provinces.
In Canada we don’t use the armed forces for political insurrections, we tend to work behind the scenes, legally or otherwise, by spending / promising money. IIRC Quebec accused Canada (Chretien government) of breaking their referendum laws.
charlie98 wrote:
“Actually Manty natural resources such as oil and gas belong to the provinces.”
That’s right charlie “provinces” as in the ones that make up Canada!
charlie98 wrote:
“In Canada we don’t use the armed forces for political insurrections”
That’s right again charlie! but with unilateral declarations of independence whether language or oil based, we’re now talking Canada protecting it’s national interests with a now new, self declared ‘foreign country’ who threaten to take unilaterally by force an extremely important Canadian national asset(s). The Canadian Armed Forces would absolutely be there like “white on rice”
I’m not sure about todays CAF but back when Trudeau was PM Western seperation was a hot topic. Sitting in the officers mess one night I became engaged in coversation with several high ranking officers. During the conversation the officers flat out stated that should Trudeau give the order to march on Alberta the officers would order their men to stand down.
Like Hunter I too just got back from Fort Mac. Hiking the area I was impressed with the pristine nature of the place. The Athabasca River both north and south of the plants was running full and clean. The forest smelled like forest. When we walked near the road the only thing we could smell was the sweet clover in full bloom. The air was clear and the visibility was unlimited even beside the plants.
Manty wrote:
…we’re now talking Canada protecting it’s national interests with a now new, self declared ‘foreign country’ who threaten to take unilaterally by force an extremely important Canadian national asset(s)”
You’re becoming confused. There is no “unilaterally by force” required. There is a vote where Albertans decide, just like Quebec decided.
Don
That would be Li Ka-Shing. He’s originally from Hong Kong and immigrated to Canada (and became a citizen) before China regained control of Hong Kong. He owns around 70% of Husky Energy.
The media likes to refer to him as “the Hong Kong Billionaire” even though he lives in Vancouver and has been a Canadian citizen for some time.
“There is a vote where Albertans decide”
And No voice for Canada; just like that after 150 years? hah! Dream on! That’s unilateral..not gonna happen, too much oil.
Canada’s strategic interests WILL always be protected, you can bet on it.
Quebec tried that little con and where is Quebec today?
In Canada…just like Alberta and the Rocky Mountains, part of the fabric.
Manty – you are completely wrong. There is no such thing as an ‘indivisible political entity’. After all – these are created by human agency and can be separated by human agency.
The natural resources belong to the provinces. And these provincial resources are not a subset of Canada; those resourcese belong, in full, to the provinces. If Alberta rejects redistribution of its resources, that’s its business.
If Alberta votes, on a clear question, to separate, that’s its right. And no Canadian Army would ever have the moral or legal authority to move in on that decision.
So, threats of ‘we’ll take your oil by force’ are amoral and illegal.
ET/charlie98/rusty p. bucket wrote:
“So, threats of ‘we’ll take your oil by force’ are amoral and illegal.”
It’s OUR oil, not “your oil”, it’s Canadian oil…to call it “your” oil now THAT’S immoral and precisely illegal
“The natural resources belong to the provinces.”
As in provinces of CANADA.
“And these provincial resources are not a subset of Canada; those resourcese belong, in full, to the provinces.”
As long as they are that…PROVINCES of Canada.
“If Alberta rejects redistribution of its resources, that’s its business.”
If it’s a separate country it can choose to do what it will but as of today Alberta is a province of Canada and there will be NO unilateral declaration of oil ownership decided by Albertans alone..Hah!
Canada will protect it’s vital national interests.
That IS reality as it sits today.
Warwick- Li Ka-Shing may own property in Vancouver, but is he really Canadian? He has invested Husky very heavily in Chinese projects over the last few years. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just the way it is.
Remember, Husky is a very small part of his holdings. He owns all the utilities in Hong Kong. I bet that’s some nice revenue.
Uh Manty I realize that you grew up post Trudeau but FYI: The provinces are the senior level of government in Canada. That is why Canada is a CONfederation not a federation.
Now be a good boy and go play on the 401.
Head East younguns! TO needs you to replace the Booby Bummers. Watch for productivity/GDP to takeoff skyward in TO when the Bummers retire; right thru the smog.
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“Wanted: Construction Workers
Though there is a risk of an economic slowdown in Ontario, growth in construction is still strong.
Ontario’s construction industry says it will need to hire nearly 74-thousand workers over the next eight years.
According to the Construction Sector Council, more than 17-thousand new workers need to be hired, and another 56,300 are needed to replace baby boomers who are retiring.” (cfra)
When I talk of the filth and pollution in Ontario, I am mainly talking about the GTA.
As far as eastern Ontario is concerned, the poster is correct, we have hundreds of clean, freshwater lakes, and gazillions of acres of forest.
I am not trying to allude that all of Ontario is filthy and polluted, just the urban centres. And these urban centres are the home to most of the leftarded moonbats who love to slag the west.
As the old saying goes….one who lives in glass houses should not throw stones.
manty, the problem with your comments is that they are factually and legally incorrect. The following are FACTS:
“The single most important fact to note is that, under Canada’s Constitution, natural resources are effectively owned by its provinces.
As a result, it is provincial governments – not the federal government – that collect and receive virtually all royalty payments and other revenues generated by these resources.
Provincial ownership of natural resources allows provinces to set in place royalty and regulatory regimes that encourage the development of natural resource endowments. ”
Got that? That doesn’t mean, as you are saying…that since the provinces are ‘part of Canada’..then, their resources are ‘part of Canada’. The Constitution doesn’t work that way.
So, manty, I suggest that you google the Canadian constitution. Or google ‘canadian constitution and natural resources’. You’ll find that you are quite wrong. The natural resources belong, fully, legally, to each province. They can’t be ‘pooled’ and considered to belong to Canada-as-a-nation.
Canada, as a nation, ‘owns’ only the off-shore natural resources. Not the land-based ones.
The Section in our constitution, if you are interested, that gives exclusive rights over non-renewable resources to the provinces, is Section 92A-1. Google it. And learn the facts.
As an Ontarian and a Baby Bummer, I guess my opinions will not go down well with many of you.
Here’s the deal.
The pollution in Ontario & especially the GTA comes from 2 sources. Mainly the Ohio Valley. The gridlock in and around Toronto adds to that. The crap that is produced in Ontario is carried by the Westerlies to the North-Eastern USA.
Lake Erie has been rehabilitated over the past many years and is now a very clean and productive lake. As a matter of fact, I shall be lunching in Port Dover next week on wonderful and succulent
locally caught lake perch.
I wouldn’t even boat on Lake Ontario anywheres west of Kingston. It’s a polluted mess.
Give me Lake Huron anytime. Pristine and lovely.
Some of the best sunsets in Canada occur on the eastern shores of it.
As far as Toronto goes, Kingstonlad explained it to a tee. Everthing that’s wrong with our beautiful country probably had its’ beginnings there.
41 MP’s and counting.
Here is a piece worth looking at
http://sasklibertytrain.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/canadian-politics-has-descended-into-madness-it-is-official/
An Ontario Liberal MP explains what the Green Shift really is.
Nicely said Kate.
“Wanted: Construction Workers”
In my experience this is a myth. its been floating around for while. I used to be in that industry and spent months out of work at a time. I have friends who are working in Alberta because they can’t get work here. what they really want is construction workers who will work for minimum wage. Thats what there is a shortage of.
The usual process for urban Ontario is to continue sprawling outwards into the most productive belt of farmland in Canada. It is much more ‘cost effective’ to convert farmland into industrial parks, housing and pavement then to expect the consumer to pay the cost of rehabilitating the brownfields of the urban wasteland.