Dion details the Liberal Green Shaft;
“I’m confident we will have significant reductions. I’m not telling you specific numbers because you would not trust me,”
For the record, we were notified by the Liberal Party the evening before they launched their campaign. They presented it to us in a fashion that implied that we should be happy by all of the extra traffic that we would receive as a result. We immediately notified them that we would take action to protect the name and the integrity that we have associated with it, and that we were not interested in receiving misdirected traffic. We began by politely asking. After receiving calls from the media, we contacted the Liberal party to ask again that they please stop using a name that we have clearly associated with our environmental program, to prevent confusion. Only after they refused to stop, did we decide to send a legal notice. We never did call the media – we simply received a flood of calls, thanked all of the concerned businesses/individuals/institutions etc., and gave honest answers to any media that reached us with questions.
Related: “Kyoto, meet Carbon Tax!”
“”I’m confident we will have significant reductions. I’m not telling you specific numbers because you would not trust me,””
Yeah right. Significant reduction in the Lieberal partie’s debt load from all the money they steal from us if this “green shit” gets in. And besides,I don’t trust ANY Leftard,you f*&king dual national a(*hole.
Actually Green Shift seems like a very serious bunch…not anti-everything.Kudos for them for thier stand. I’m going to check out their product lines.
After reading the Toronto Star reports and op-ed it scares me to think Dion is in a position of possibly being Prime Minister.He speaks academia, ideas with no substaance.
The liberal party is so arrogant and out of touch they actually think people would be glad to be associated with them. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know that being associated with any political party is not usually a good thing, let alone the discredited liberals in connection with the phony green shift.
I hope this stupidity continues, and their idiot leader continues to babble around the political landscape.
The Green Shift people seem very reasonable and very determined; no idle threats but not about to risk their reputation.
“…because you would not trust me”
Bullseye! Mangled the tense though…;)
Greenscam.
Maybe they should call it the Greenspan Plan. Lets see how long they hang onto THAT one if it’s disputed!
Never put yourself in a position of being accountable for anything, right M. Dion?
The LPC is becoming very, very, very good at deposing sitting leaders aren’t they?
If the idea is to punish the polluters, then you pass laws that make it a crimnal offence to pollute.
In other words go after the perp not the population at large.
But I digress.
So far this green shift tax or GST + NEP has been out for a week and already Dion is having a hard time “communicating” the message.
But perhaps that was the plan all along.
Regardless of the “idea”, the pretenders to the liberal throne need him to fail at the sales pitch so as to get the liberal membership good and ready to push him out. That way Iggy and Bareass could claim innocence as their fingerprints would not be on the knife sticking out of Dion’s back.
steve janke at Angry in the Great White North has the data, explaining how Dion’s plan doesn’t reduce emissions at all, and even, by the fourth year, raises them.
Of course, for the Liberals to pay off all the tax reductions and benefits they are promising the voter, they NEED emissions to continue – that’s where they get the money to bribe the voter.
Dion won’t give any details about reduction of emissions – and as Janke points out,
“What this means is that based on real numbers, I come to the conclusion that in Year 4, the revenue prediction from Stephane Dion’s carbon tax plan is based on no decrease in emissions over the first four years of the plan.”
“Large reductions by 2012? But my own calculations as well as calculations from other sources support the same conclusion. The revenue figures stated by the Liberals for Year 4 of their plan (which would be 2013 assuming the Liberals started the tax in 2009) show emissions at essentially the same level. Strictly speaking, the Liberal carbon tax plan seems to predict higher emissions, but I’ll pass on that point since we’re talking about numbers that are rounded this way and that.
But I’m certainly not seeing “large reductions” in emissions in 2012. Not even a hint of reductions. I see a carbon tax plan that assumes that emissions will remain steady, guaranteeing $15 billion in new revenue to support Liberal Party spending, and doing not one bit of good for the environment.”
So, Dion is lying. Remember, his plan contains NO strategy or strategies for lowering emissions. None.
All it does is tax them.
Now, that might cause industries to close, it might cause them to move to Mexico, it might cause our imports from China to increase. But Dion has no strategy to RETAIN our factories and reduce their emissions. None.
No money for the devt of new technology. No money for low cost loans so that industries can install new technology. Nothing.
The money all goes to bribe=the-voter to vote for Dion.
And as Janke says, these bribes depend on those emissions remaining just as they are now.
“because you would not trust me”
That’s the only time I’ve ever heard a liberal tell the truth. Unless he was lying. In which case what he’d really be saying is that we could trust him. In which case he’d be lying.
Liberals make my brain hurt.
if ya can’t steal any taxpayers money because you are not in power and can’t run an ADSCAM, then just screw over some small company . . . because it is the Liberal Party of Canada thing to do . . .
Screw Canadians one policy or scam at a time.
And no, I don’t trust Steffi . . . or any Liberal.
Send in Gore and Suzuki to straighten out these guys … it’s the AGW way!!!!!
If DeYawn has his finger on the pulse of the nation just how far up his butt is that pulse?
I wish they would tell us what the impact will be on the climate. That’s why they are talking about raising taxes, right?
CBCpravda All Lieberal ,All the Time – them f’king libs still owe us a $100million. stolen , swiped, given to quebec.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/06/26/gomery-chretien.html
FREE THE WEST
They should change the name to “Green Grift”
I think that folks need to be careful in writing off Dion and the Liberals. They are a very, very sneaky bunch and have the backing of the media. Already he is being portrayed as some sort of messiah who will solve all of Canada’s problems, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, denture the toothless and restore the polar ice shelf. All by reducing personal taxes, taxing evil oil companies (especially out west)and any non-Liberal friendly energy companies. He also has the backing of Ontario’s Premier and due to our new carbon tax, Gordon Campbell will also jump on board. After all, might as well kill the WHOLE economy while we’re at it.
If this sounds like a rant; it is. But this is also something that Ontario voters will swallow eagerly and restore the natural governing party to power. I hope I am wrong but feel a disturbance in the CPC force….
I am chuckling at the poll on the Ottawa Sun webpage link re: Dion.
“Would you be willing to pay $50 to help clean up the Ottawa River?”
70% say NO right now ..
I am willing to be that the environment probably ranks low with most Canadians concerns right now …
and this clown wants to push this through?
wow – just wow.
Innovation is what is required if we are to find sources of energy that rival the joules in a barrel of crude, and/or if we are to find ways to be more efficient at putting a barrel’s joules to work.
The ostensible idea behind the tax is to accelerate the price increases that would occur naturally if a free market response to scarcity is allowed to progress unfettered. No logical argument articulating the wisdom of such an action is advanced. But it “feels” right.
To impose such a tax is a unit step, a severe disruption, the consequences of which, Dion cannot predict. He plays a great game of dice with our society.
As oil supplies diminish, prices will rise, which will have the effect of making viable the economics of alternatives already invented, as well as altering the risk/reward ratios that will encourage private capital to invest in research and development.
Instead, our thoughtful and kind “Just Society” leader would invite chaotic reverberations into our economy, while siphoning off capital needed for R&D and investment in potentially new infrastructure, such as hydrogen distribution. This is not a ‘solution’. This is a disruption that will alter the equilibrium established in food distribution, commercial real estate values, and worst of all, the net assets in residential real estate that form a substantial part of the wealth of a generation of Canadians about to retire – artificially, and disruptively, while at the same time, channelling the capital needed to develop real and workable solutions into non-productive, pork-riddled, grossly inefficient and ineffective social programs.
This is the most foolhardy suggestion I have ever had the displeasure to entertain. It is a program founded on the notion that there is advantage to confronting an inevitable chaos by provoking a state of chaos.
“If the tiger wakes up, it will eat us. Eventually the tiger will wake up, so sooner or later, the tiger will eat us. Friends, the solution is clear – we must poke the sleeping tiger with a stick, and poke it now.”
Carbon taxes are absurd.
shaken – excellent outline and analysis. Many thanks.
Carbon is already priced by the market and is reflected in the prices we pay for goods and services. Arbitrarily increasing the price of carbon based on junk science when our trading partners are rejecting the same will result in a downsizing of our economy and a massive loss of jobs. The policy is completely irresponsible. It’s not green, it’s insane – especially when there are no facts to back it up.
The refusal of the Liberal Party to return to Canadian taxpayers the $40-100 million they stole from us demonstrates their hatred and contempt for all Canadians who are not Liberals. Therefore, I propose a complaint to the HRC…
Carbon Tax= a non cure for a non issue
No kidding we don’t trust him…and any Liberal.
Shouldn’t “Carbon Tax” be a cat? An evil cat.
dion’s green shift would be better named the green,green graft of home/lpc.
“because you would not trust me”
Now ain’t that the truth!
“Dion, who flatly rejected the carbon tax idea in the past, said his thinking has evolved with mounting evidence from economists and environmentalists.”
Mr. Flip-Flop needs to stop watching An Inconvenient Truth as his source of information on global warming – oops, I mean climate change – is that what they’re calling it now; am I up-to-date on the latest lingo? And economists? They’re telling him a new tax is a good idea?
If you think the tax plan is shady… I found an interesting document in the “Annual 2007 Report” of IRPP (Institute for Research on Public Policy)
Liberal activist research once headed by Bob R..
The EU Cap & Carbon Trading failure is evaluated by an Investment Banker. The recommenations are
near to, IMO, how the present Oil Futures Market operates
A) Allow Speculation in the market, to add vigor (read; sufficient confusion)
B) Limit available Carbon Credits incremently, to keep price high!
$$$$$ Why does that smell
So far this green shift tax or GST + NEP…
Wait, isn’t this a government plan? Don’t you think Harper’s opposition party is going to fight against it?