Return Fire


Marc Lebuis;

Today, I filed a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) for “hate propaganda” against Montreal salafi imam Hammaad Abu Sulaiman Al-Dameus Hayiti who officiates at the Association Musulmane de Montréal Est mosque. The complaint relates to his book L’Islam ou l’Intégrisme ? À la lumière du Qor’an et de la Sounnah downloadable from the Internet, and his extremist teachings that are also broadcast on the Internet.
The teachings of imam Al-Hayiti are suprematists, misogynistic and hateful. According to the imam, his fellow non-Muslims are “koufars” (unbelievers, infidels, impious), Québec women are perverse, and the population is “stupid and ignorant.” The imam also calls for the destruction of the “idols” of the West: democracy, human rights, secularism, freedom and modernity. By disseminating his teachings on the Internet, the imam tries to win adherents to his extreme views.
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If the CHRC refuse to investigate my complaint, the public will be free to conclude that an institution meant to promote human rights is practicing a form of one-way absurd censorship. As a result, legitimate criticism of Islam is discouraged, while those who advocate the destruction of democracy and freedoms are protected. If the CHRC agrees to open an investigation, the writings of the imam will be exposed and scrutinized and, hopefully, discredited by the media. In the future, the media and the public will feel free to denounce subversive and hateful preachers without having to resort to the CHRC.

Hammaad Abu Sulaiman Al-Dameus Hayiti… “Alphabet Imam” works better for me. (Speaking of which – whatever happened to that perfectly sensible convention of changing one’s surname to something pronouncable when arriving on our shores?)

68 Replies to “Return Fire”

  1. Robbie the Retard still playing his one note samba. “So if HRCs and libel aren’t the answer to dealing with speech that isn’t based on truth, what is?”
    I covered this back at 12:21pm, Retard. Try to keep up.

  2. dizzy – in practice, the groups are understood only as minority groups. ‘Being Canadian’ would not be understood as a category of discrimination.

  3. texan – Yes, the stupidity and cupidity up here is mind boggling.
    First of all, being very shallow thinkers and navel gazers, as well as stuck on “nice is good”, most Canadians are under the altogether mistaken impression that a Charter “of Rights and Freedoms” actually gives one rights and freedoms. The average Canadian, who thinks the Charter is just dandy, couldn’t string a sentence together to explain how, actually, it’s been beneficial to all but a few coddled groups, who gain “rights” at the considerable expense of the rest of us. (E.g., Why, once gay marriage became lawful, can one be persecuted and prosecuted for even voicing an objection to it? Laws are not carved in stone—that’s the point of democracy, I thought. But laws changed via Charter challenges seem to make any conscientious objector some kind of criminal.)
    Secondly, most of our MPs are also pretty shallow thinkers. Their main object it to get re-elected. Even if they know the Charter’s seriously flawed, if most of their constituents, brainwashed by our substandard public education systems and the MSM etc., seem OK with it, they’re OK with it too.
    However, on the MPs’ side, much as I’d prefer not to be, the amending formula for changing the Charter makes doing so virtually an impossibility: the octopus-like reach of Trudeau, that ferret.
    We seem to be stuck on stupid up here.

  4. Shawn I see we agree on some things but my point is that it lends credence to his cause not call him on his words if ‘he’ is calling on the ones who are only practicing their right to free speech as well – with their words.
    Shoot him? Heck no, but lets not them propagate ‘their’ lies at our expense any further.
    (sorry for the ranting CAPS, slightly to agitated to mess with tags at that moment in time…)

  5. Lookout says: “We seem to be stuck on stupid up here.”
    I’ve been following Canadian politics, more or less as a hobby, for four or five years, now, and over that time, I’ve come to see that the populace (speaking generally) has a tone different from what I see in the US. Here, there’s a much stronger resistance to “authority.” There’s more of an attitude of the: “Who the hell do these people think they are? What do they think gives them the right to tell me what I can say and think and do?” Canadians seems more complacent, more unwilling to rock the boat. The general drift in Canada seems to be: “Who the hell am I to decide what’s right and wrong? The authorities will handle all of that.”
    I’m not sure you can right the ship until a lot more Canadians express a willingness, at the ballot box in particular, to take control of their own lives.

  6. in canada, we are all equal, but some are more equal than others. and we “nice canadians” wonder why the u.s. is trying to barricade their borders?

  7. I beg to differ Linda. I think it shows clearly the drastic effects of inflation. Cost of goods and all that, tut tut…

  8. You’ve got it, texan. I’m now more pro-American than -Canadian—as would be my proud and patriotic ancestors, who arrived here more than 200 years ago. Like me, they’d be altogether ashamed of the present day complacence and appeasement of a cowed and often cowardly populace.
    (Note the pathetic performance of the weedy John Cruickshank of the CBC. I thought he might be American: he’s not, and altogether behaves like the toady, sycophantic Canadians one expects of our “ruling class”. What utter dolts most of them are.)

  9. Tex is right about this being a bad idea. The principle of protected free speech is the only ammunition that we have against HRCs. Demonstrating that HRCs are biased accomplishes what? Does it demonstrate that opinion crimes should be abolished in Canada, or does it simply demonstrate that a few HRC officers show poor judgment?
    Section 13 human rights complaints contradict the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the reason why we have a problem is that 3 out of 5 Supreme Court judges ruled that while acknowledging that this is true, this is okay because “hate propaganda” has nothing to contribute to Canadian society.
    HRC injustice is only a symptom of the underlying problem, which is that Canadians have tolerated having their freedoms and responsibilities overtaken by our “intellectual betters”. This proposed scheme sacrifices the latter for the sake of the former.

  10. That’s great! People must complain about hateful Imam’s preaching and articles more and more. This is why Saudi Arabia recently voted against the ‘Defamation of Religions’ resolution. They finally realized it could be used against Islam’s own hate speech.
    I bet American, European and Australian bloggers can mock Warman right into a straight jacket. Everyone in Canada must hear about this!
    This fellow in the HRC, Richard Warman, sounds like a totally wonderful human being who doesn’t have a huge chip on his shoulder or one evil bone in his whole fair-minded body.
    He doesn’t at all sound like a sick and demented bastard who is angry and bitter because he got his butt massively kicked in those elections years ago.
    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe likes
    human rights commissions
    that violate human rights
    while claiming to protect them
    .
    absurd thought –
    God of the Universe hates
    real freedom of speech
    an American concept
    which is NOT for Canada
    .
    Why Does Canada Allow This?
    http://www.richardwarman.com/
    http://haltterrorism.com
    🙂
    .

  11. Actually, I believe that, with arguments for and against aside, they (HRC) won’t even bother to give this complaint the light of day.
    And the farce will go on.

  12. Texan is very observant WRT the difference in American thinking vs. Canadian. I consider myself libertarian…get the government out of the business of making laws to ‘correct’ every irritating problem.
    The HRC’s were established with the Canadian mindset…’we all get along ‘cuz we are so open-minded but if someone upsets the apple cart we should take him to court and then he’ll think like us’…baloney…
    We are reaping the results of those ‘corrective laws’ now.

  13. I have started asking muslims in public why they worship a pedophile. I also suggest to them that that kind of thinking doesn’t belong in MY country. None of them has said anything to me, they just slump there head’s and walk away. Don’t be afraid of these sicko’s, stand up and show them the way back to the middle east where they belong.

  14. ET — “in practice, the groups are understood only as minority groups. ‘Being Canadian’ would not be understood as a category of discrimination.”
    Most individuals in any of the minority groups are also Canadian. Here’s a note from a recent case, which —
    “involves a complaint by Sally Wade that her employer, DFAIT discriminated against her on the basis of her marital status and family status by denying her a three bedroom staff quarter pursuant to the Foreign Service Directive. The Directive is part of the collective agreement …
    http://tinyurl.com/6ohd7t

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