66 Replies to “One Of Mankind’s Greatest Ideological Riddles Solved”

  1. So eeyore,
    Anyone that questions your presumptions is a troll?
    You and I debated on another thread. Each time I came up with a substantive point, you parroted “you’re stupid! You’re a stupid!” like a third grader.
    That’s cool if you come here simply to reinforce your prejudices. But is anyone who questions them to be labelled a troll?
    You’d think you’d be glad to defend and explain them. But I guess you can’t. I’ve not lobbed insults and you; but you have at me.
    Okay, so return to your little circle wank. Sorry to interrupt with difficult stuff like questions and challenges. Carry on.

  2. Hi Daisy:
    Actually:
    “Take my enemies who would not have me rule over them, bring them here, and slaughter them before me.”
    – Luke 19:27.
    So it’s not a lie that Jesus said this. It’s an indisputable fact.
    As in the case with your claiming Gore said he invented the internet, it’s not me that’s lying. You are.
    As well, it is indisputable fact that Christianity has caused more violence in the history of the world than Islam. Vile people have picked and chosen parts from the Bible to support their violence, just as others have done with the Quran. I don’t like it anymore than you do. But it’s a fact.
    But again I ask: what’s your point? Should the Quran be banned? Should Muslims?
    You’ve cslled me liar when it is you who lied – twice. You’ve called me sn idiot and a troll. I haven’t called you any of these things.
    So I think you should let me and the rest of us know: what is your point? Do you have one?

  3. If anyone cares to check the previous thread, you will note that volik cried “racist” because someone said “black mayor” when talking about Nagy, someone else said “gotta keep ‘dem ghettos” when talking about politicians who like to keep victim groups as victims and someone else said (paraphrasing) “homo sapiens without the sapiens bit” referring to people lacking intelligence. When presented with the facts as to how and why he was incorrect in his assessment, he just cried “racist” louder and then mocked and threw around insults while accusing others of throwing around insults.
    And, he lied here. He didn’t debate in the previous thread…he accused, obfuscated, insulted and mocked.
    Here, volik has again made no real point and then mocks again. So, again…he’s the definition of a troll.
    And now, we can expect his mocking, snide, juvenile retort in 3, 2, 1…

  4. And as for Luke 19:27, the quote is within a parable (the parable of the Ten Minas) that Jesus was telling. Just for you, volik, since you are obviously illiterate, a parable is a “short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson”.
    Jesus was not commanding any such action…it was part of the story he was telling. Again, volik, you are demonstrating that you are incapable of reading in context. You are reinforcing the observation that you are a fool.

  5. It’s a parable, dumbass.
    For somebody who claims to be Christian, you sure don’t know anything about the texts. Besides, equivocation is a fallacious form of argument and is not relevant.
    The rest was explained to you in the previous post. It’s not my fault that your comprehension ability and intelligence is so monstrously handicapped, now is it?

  6. Eeyore
    In your 2 new posts you have called me ‘illiterate’ and a ‘fool’. I haven’t used any such words towards you.
    On the other thread, I pointed out incidents of racism. You and others argued that they were not. I offered counter-arguments showing that your arguments were faulty.
    But this isn’t allowed, apparently. The only response you’ve offered is to repeat “you’re stupid!”
    It isn’t me who engages in juvenile insults. It’s here for everyone to see that you and your pals can’t cope with someone challenging you.
    And frankly, with posts on this site I’ve read just today, with your friends posting that black people should go back to Africa, that Native people are ‘useless’ and ‘lazy’, and calling David Suzuki a ‘nip’, I don’t see why it’s even under discussion that this site largely exists for your kind to spew racism. It’s simply a fact.

  7. Shorter volik: Waaaa, waaaa, I want my mommy!
    Blow it out your arse. The only place where your arguments hold any water whatsoever is in your own mind. You’re deluding yourself.

  8. Really, Eeyore?
    So referring to “dem ghettos”, and calling Suzuki a “nip”, and saying all black people should go back to Africa, and calling Native people ‘useless and lazy’ aren’t evidence of racism?
    What are they evidence of? Tolerance? Open-mindedness?
    ‘By their fruits ye shall know them’. I know what you are by your inability to refrain from juvenile insults and crudity (“blow it our my arse”?. I know what this site it is by its repeated eruptions of ugly racism

  9. Daisy
    You called me a liar for ascribing those words to Jesus. In fact, he said them.
    As part of a parable? Yes. But many of the quotes you supplied from the Quran in your handy dandy list were also taken out of context.
    The point is that vile people have always taken words out of context to support their evil doings. In the case of the Bible, it was used to justify slavery and Nazism.
    We’re still waiting to hear what your selection of quotes from the Quran was supposed to prove.
    As well, I note again the personal insults you throw into your post (‘dumbass’, more derogatory jibes at my intelligence). Do you really think that stuff makes your argument stronger, or do you just get off on it – does it make you feel like a ‘big man’?
    All it really shows is that you aren’t capable of civilized discourse.
    Or maybe it’s symptomatic of something deeper: did you hear that kind of talk often when you were growing up, directed at you?

  10. “But many of the quotes you supplied from the Quran in your handy dandy list were also taken out of context.”
    How do you know? It is obvious that you have never read it, or the aHadith and Sira. So, what is your authority based on?
    Furthermore, and because of your lack of knowledge, you continually make false claims of equivalence, which beyond being false, are irrelevant.
    The Quran does not have context without the Hadiths and Sira.
    The verses are not in a chronological order, they go from longest to shortest. As well, unlike the OT, the commands for violence are not limited to a time and place – they are for all time.
    “The point is” you don’t have a point. You do not know what you are talking about and have no knowledge on this subject. Neither have you provided any evidence to support your ignorant ‘feelings’ on this subject.
    Neither the NT, nor Christ’s life example support any sort of violence towards non-believers, or women. It is not political and does not have political laws to be applied in a theocracy. It does not advocate these things. So, therefore it does not support “evil doings,” regardless of people taking words out of context.
    Unlike the complete, political and foundationally violent Islamic ideology as proven in the texts, teaching from the texts and Mohammad’s life example and sayings – all of which is institutionalized into shariah law.
    As for ‘dumbass’ I said it because you obviously are a dumbass.

  11. daisy:
    In your standard explosion of hostility, half-truths, and insults, I’m trying mightily to discern what your point might be.
    Is that Islam should be banned in Canada? Or the Quran? Or all Muslims should be banned, or deported?
    Let us know.
    Right now your posts are only telling us that you like calling people ‘dumbass’ because it’s the only way you’re able to feel that you’re smart.
    Hey, whatever works for you…

  12. Volik,
    “And of course, historically, Christianity has unleashed far more violence on the world than Islam.”
    I won’t call you stupid for stating this only because I’m sure you really believe it. I blame the failure of the public school system for lying to you and indoctrinating you into a viewpoint that is not only false, but maliciously so.
    This assertion that you made is so easily refutable that it is unforgivable that so many people believe it.
    Volik, did you know that once the Roman empire converted to Christianity that there was not just one seat of the Church in Rome but 5 throughout the Mediterranean? Do you know that out of the 5 seats of Christianity 4 of them were conquered by force of arms by Mohamed and his followers over the years?
    Did you know that it was Islam that attempted to conquer Europe and that the Crusades were as a result of Islamic harassment of pilgrims to the holy land which was formerly the land of the eastern Christian church that Mohammed’s imperialist armies colonized? Did you know that Islam attempted to take over Europe several times? They colonised Spain for over 500 years. They were forcibly turned back by Charles Marten at the battle of Poitiers and reached the gates of Vienna. They colonised the Baltics. They colonized by force of arms the whole middle east, most of North Africa, most of SE Asia including India, and ethnically cleansed countless peoples that are now lost forever? The Assyrians of Persia whose intellectual pursuits that Islam claims credit for. The Byzantines, the Zoroastrians… All of which Islam destroyed.
    If you really think that Christianity was more violent than that you need to seek the truth.
    That isn’t to say that Christianity is free of blemish. No people, no group, no country is. Although a lot of what you will blame Christianity for was not religiously based. The colonial period of Europe wasn’t just but in most (but not all cases) wasn’t genocide. The conquest of the “new world” was ugly. The worst of which happened by Spain to S.America. Greed is not always good. But stacked up against Islam’s record, Europe comes second on every scale. I won’t even mention Mongol, Japanese or Chinese history. The Zulu Impis of Chaka Khan slaughtered and enslaved every other tribe in their path on their move south through Africa. The “natives” of the new world waged wars, committed genocide and acted in ways that offend the current standards of behaviour.
    If you see a stain on your society, and you don’t put that history in the perspective of time and place you can not hope to understand the past. Your speak of absolute positions based on the current morals and practices is not reasonable. You can’t judge those in the past by the values of the present. You base judgement based on comparative measures. If your society progressed, was more fair than others of the period – even if not perfect – it is unreasonable to bash your society while holding others blameless. If you forgive other’s actions but not your own, and your own society perpetrated lesser evils, you are not reasonable. You would expect that today is better than yesterday, this decade better than last. You’re life if supposed to be better than those that came before you. That’s progress.
    In fact, when people hold white Europeans to a higher standard of accountability than they hold other people, you are engaging in racism. Why? Because the assumption is that we are capable of better but they aren’t so can’t be blamed for acting poorly. If you assume equality, then you MUST hold other’s to the same level of culpability.
    And Volik,
    People lash out at you not for your message (you rarely have one) but for your snarky, condescending attitude towards others. If you give respect, you will tend to have that returned. Give contempt, you seek abuse – and you shouldn’t be surprised to receive it.

  13. Warwick
    Thanks for the lecture.
    Unfortunately you’ve fallen prey to the fault you’ve articulated: holding one group to a higher standard of accountability than the other.
    If you say European conquests were not religiously based, it makes little difference to those who hear the Christian God invoked to justify them. I agree violent acts have no justification in the Bible. Yet the Bible has been used to justify them – and outsiders will hear Bush invoke God to justify his war in Iraq. As they heard Hitler invoke Christ to justify his actions, and as supporters of slavery did the same.
    It is the same with Bin Laden using Islam to justify 9/11.
    Finally, you fault me for my snarky attitude.
    I haven’t once used terms like ‘retard’ dumbass idiot, fool, illiterate. But they have all been used against me.
    I started in this thread questioning why people simply bitch about the left (see the title of the post this thread is commenting on). That’s all it took for this abuse to start flying at me.
    At first, I thought it was simply because I challenged their presumptions. They come here to express thoughts that are unacceptable in mainstream society (with good reason). I called them on that. So the insults.
    But now I’m thinking that the nasty mean-spiritedness is the source of the racism, and of their poltical ‘ideologies’ – and of the childish insults with which they attempt to ‘defend’ it all.

  14. Volik,
    For childish insults, see Rabble.ca, the Daily Kos, etc.
    If you want hate, go to the same sites.
    if you want the scum of the earth, go to http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/ and have a look at your people, their bigotry and their hate.
    Then come back here and tell us it’s we who need the state’s thugs suppressing our rights.

  15. Warwick
    Don’t send me around the internet to look at other sites.
    We’re talking about this one.
    There’s repulsive racism here the likes of which I’ve seen nowhere else – and that’s quite apart from the incivility other commenters have also commented on.
    You can’t defend it so you try to divert attention away.
    Nice try.

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