35 Replies to “Let’s Do It For Tommy!”

  3. He was so forward thinking, kind of like his personal idols, Stalin, Hitler and Mao.
    This can’t be so far fetched in a country where the elected prime minister publicly admired a communist dictator (Turd-eau).

  4. If the NDP insist on making every election between Tommy Douglas and Grant Devine they should expect that we are going to bring up the real truth about Tommy!
    Although, this is sort of like poking a dead body with a stick…

  6. Yaaaaay, Tommy Douglas. He’s so fine, He’s so great, Neuter them freaks, ‘Fore they procreate. Yaaaaay, Tommy.

  7. You guys are just plain dumb.Your ideals match your grade 8 level educations. I thought that reading this blog would ‘edify’ me in some way, and it certainly did. Shockingly, in fact. I’m embarrassed to be from SK with all of you in it. No wonder we’ve been ‘have not’ for so long. If you’re so smart why have we had this ‘socio-communist’ thing happening for so long? You’re so committed to your cause, but have you made any changes? Has your voting changed anything? You have no real resources so you attack everything on a personal level.(The ‘Hat’ lady in particular. That put me over the edge, but I’ve known for a long time that you can’t buy taste. If that’s what you attack it goes lower than I thought humans should be capable of) Sorry. Lost my temper after actually reading this drivel for the last 3 weeks. I can’t take it anymore, ‘greedy little agendas’ being a pet peeve of mine. Bringing up Tommy Douglas’s 1940-something’s view on eugenics? So totally irrelevent, it’s a non-issue. The stuff about the ‘Nanny State’was really good as well. We all know that times don’t change, and I think I should send my child out to the alley to fight the ‘posse’ to make him a better person. If he survives that, he will be really strong. Thanks for that. Now I can be a better parent, thanks to SDA.
    I know for sure that I have become an angrier person (voter, maybe)having the benefit of reading all this stuff. I have no affiliation to any political party, but the ‘dippers’ have definitely become more attractive, given the narrow-mindedness of the right as represented in this (?) thing. Shame on you guys.

  8. Yaaaaay, Jane. Awww never mind. Hope your child is one of the “elites” that gets to live off the NDP rather than one of the poor sods left in Sask that pays for everyone else. Shame on you for condemning a whole future generation to sucking off the gov’t teat and not knowing what freedom and self respect are really about. To each their own I guess.

  10. You know? It was only a matter of time before someone let loose over the SaskHATchewan thing. It seems that Jayne got half of the point of these posts – that Tommy Douglas is irrelevant in an election in 2007. What she misses is exactly trent’s point – that the only reason why Tommy’s TRUE past is being discussed is because the NDP insist on dredging him up as the epitome of how our province SHOULD be. As long as the NDP make elections about Tommy vs Grant (Round 6, DING) then the truth will be told about both of them – how Tommy wasn’t the saint that he’s made out to be, and Grant isn’t the devil that HE’S made out to be.

  11. @Jane McKinley:
    Translation of your entry into logical form:
    P1; P2; Self-referential premise; P3’s self-validated thus making it subjective in scope; P3-validation repeated; P4; attempted conclusion derived from P4 through argumentum ad hominem; question-begging; argumentum ad hominen tu quoque (assuming question is rhetorical); same as last; non sequitur, without initial premise included let alone evaluated; particularization without justification of the assertion that the instance falls into scope of relevant class, although self-referential part prima facie true as there’s no such thing as mind reading [this refers to the sentence in brackets just to keep track]; another implicit conditional with self-referential conclusion although initial premise not objectively justified for validity of conclusion thus making it subjective in scope; P5 in form of question; non-sequitur presented as plain assertion.
    The next four sentences approximate a logical argument in this form, adjusting for evident sarcasm:
    – Stuff about Nanny State was bad [P6a]
    – We all know that times change [no specification as to relevance, thus must interepret as ‘we all know that times change completely’]
    – Nanny State stuff implies that kids should be sent out to the back alley fighting. [non sequitur in its present form, although it is arguable that it isn’t due to subjective character of argument.]
    – Conditional [Cn1]
    – Intro to next point, which serves as logical whitespace.
    – Last two sentences are attempt at reductio ad absurdum but cast as mere assertion, thus inapplicable to others due to the subjective character of the attempted refutation.
    Then, after new paragraph begins, conclusion based on feelings – not completely illogical thanks to Wittengenstein’s work, but subjective in scope; largely successful attempt at bundling up the above whose success is entirely due to subjective character of reasoning with writer’s emotional reaction and unbacked-up statements of opinion as justification – logically, the two amount to the same thing even if opinionation is resorted to as an attempt at intersubjectivity.
    – The above burst of pedantry, whose accuracy is unverified as yet, is entirely due to my study of ‘grade eight’ logic.

  13. No, grade 8 logic is patting yourself on the back for attacking a dead guy for the things he DIDN’T do. Losers.

  14. Really, flogging this thesis thing to death is quite inane. What counts is the political legacy. Douglas’s record is one in which the NDP can look back on with pride. Looking back on the record of the right-wing alternative, one can only conclude that all Tories are scum.

  15. @lberia: Evidently, my talent for thinking in metaphor is far below yours. And as far as that ‘losers’ remark is concened: why do you think I keep that knack of mine veiled except for special occasions?

  16. Perhaps some NDP supporters can tell us exactly what great things the NDP have done for all Sask, not just union or Go’vt employees?
    No really, there are some people in Sask who have the audacity (or as the left also considers it – the stupidity) not to work for a union or the gov’t.
    So, what good things have the NDP done for them?
    Also, as I am intrigued, are people (who either support NDP or are now supporting NDP as SDA pushed them to it) really stating that:
    -Tommy Douglas is irrelevant to Sask politics?
    -somehow the founder? of a socialist gov’t with all its acoutrements (touted on a daily basis by all manner of left-wing canadian politician, particularly in Sask – during an election) is not a relevant topic.
    -the legacy of his gov’t and policies, and the general philosophy that brought them to existence is irrelevant.
    -the fact that this philosophy must have been shared by many followers during the day, and forms a core set of beliefs (or at least has an effect) to the NDP party of today is irrelevant.
    Please, before any more NDPers state that Tommy is irrelevant – may I please state that I wish he was irrelevant, now can you please do me a favour?
    GO AND BANG ON EVERY SENIOR CITIZEN’S DOOR IN THIS PROVINCE AND TELL THEM THAT THE NDP IS NOT TOMMY’S PARTY ANYMORE.
    Thanks

  17. Has anyone else noticed how quickly the left wingers resort to name calling? Ironically the name calling usually comes at the end of a statement in which they refer us as “8th graders”…
    It does appear that Tommy’s REAL legacy is something the socialist do not want revealed. Sorry, but the truth shall be revealed.

  19. We already know socialists are some of the most vindictive people on the planet. Being nice doesn’t change that.

  20. >What counts is the political legacy.
    Everything in Douglas’s legacy stems from his being a man who thought better people should manage lesser people. Socialism isn’t the politics of equality; it’s the politics of rulers and ruled.

  21. It’s obviously a blistering sore spot with lefties. They can’t reconcile Tommy’s University thesis (written when he was 29 and married, BTW) with the NDP as it is now.
    Yet, they are the ones championing him as their founder and hero. Pulling the dead guy out at every opportunity.
    According to Tommy’s thesis and morals many of the members of the NDP as it is now would be “segrated,” “sterilized,” etc. for being “unfit” and “a family whose moral standards are below normal, and who are delinquent.”
    Therefore having “to consider remedies that at least mitigate, if not remove, the problem of the sub-normal family from the midst of modern society.” (from the introduction to his thesis)
    So whom might these “sub-normal families, whose moral standards are below normal” be, one might ask.
    History = culture = destiny. It seems there’s a disconnect between the current NDP culture, including it’s values and principles – and its history – that cannot be reconciled.
    It’s also not old news. Given the lefts penchant for revisionist history, I’d wager the majority in this country don’t know about Tommy’s thesis.

  22. Jane McKinley honey, when the ND party of Sask is still adamantly supporting a compulsory grain marketing system from the 1940s, anything from the 1940s is still fair game.

  23. To: Jane McKinley:
    Henry Ford Sr. had less than a grade 8 education. (Historical records differ, however he had most likley not passed his Grade 7.) By 1928, the son of a Michigan farmer was the wealthiest man on the planet, save a couple of Kings and Queens.
    Ford built an empire that survives today, in spite of overwhelming competition from imports. The likes of Tommy Douglas worked relentlessly at bringing him down. Ford fought the socialsts and unions tooth and nail. Take note dear Jane that brains and education are totally unrelated.
    PS: Does anyone know what level of education Colonel Sanders (KFC) possessed?? How about Abe Lincoln??

  24. Has anyone ever heard about or seen a thesis (1980-90) that substantiated Tommy’s affiliation with the Klan?? (KK that is!)

  25. GREATEST CANADIAN ??
    I never knew anything about the contest until it was too late to vote for it! Who’s bright idea was it to have the contest on CBC??..and why were there so many politicians among the top ten??
    RICK HANSEN…greatest canadian
    yours truly,
    Vern

  26. Johnny Jesus, If it weren’t for those decent wages the unions fought for, where would those subsidies come from to fund those freeloading farmers from cradle to grave?

  27. To Manny: What has the UAW to do with farmers? Or is that your way of showing your fear of what will happen on Wed. (election) night!! Fear does funny things to socialists!

  28. Manny should get familiar with the farm! She’ll (or he`’ll) will be be shovelling NDP bull%?$* out the door by next week.

  29. MANNY !!!
    those “freeloading farmers” of whom you speak are subsidising your dinner-table.
    The price of food is a way too low. That is, the price of commodities are too low and the middle-men are taking too much – witness how the beef bailout went “all to the slaughter houses”

  30. Oh and Dear Janey, the changes will be coming in a couple days. Courtesy of the internet and other right wing blogs that are slowly but surely disemminating the truth about the vast left wing conspiracy to turn us all into a bunch of knuckle dragging socialists barely capable of understanding why it’s important to be able to support yourself and wipe your own ass. Of course there will always be those that worship at the altar of Algore and CBC on their knees with mouths agape ready to swallow whatever Bill Clinton and his ilk see fit to pass their way. Enjoy!! You can thank us later from saving you from yourselves. You’re welcome.

  31. Being a “third-way” person, I don’t see this as right-wing versus left-wing. I see it as people waking up to the fact that being loyal to any idealogy is horribly stupid, and Saskatchewan deserves better than a tired leader (L. Calvert)!

  33. I guess all you small dead assholes are hoping for a civil service job if the SaskaTory party gets elected? There will be a gun rack in every 1/2 ton and a confederate flag in every back window. I know thw SaskaTory party are just a bunch of good ole boys.

  35. To Daniel:
    Wow! Who knew, man! I would have written it all in latin just for you! Or how are you in sanskrit?
    Criticism of my writing style while in a little fit of pique doesn’t change my views. You guys are on the wrong track, to my thinking. Hey. Chill. I’m only one little person (who obviously has no skill in articulating my views). Why so threatened?

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