69 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: An Inconvenient Court Case”

  1. What’s more disappointing than the MSM likely not paying attention to this story, is that our own Prime Minister will not either. Make no mistake, I am delighted that we do not have Dion and his ilk formally in charge, I am though extremely disappointed that our alternative has gone over to the dark side on this issue.
    With luck, they will simply talk a good game and do nothing. Still a shame that its the best we can hope for.

  3. ‘I am though extremely disappointed that our alternative has gone over to the dark side on this issue.’
    It is getting a little nauseating hearing Conservatives whine that Mr. Harper has embraced climate change.
    Has he adopted Kyoto?
    Has he stated that he believes global warming is man-made?
    Has he declared the Canadian government must waste untold resources saving the world from climate change?
    No…no..and…no!!!
    What he has done is take a pragmatic tone on the issue. Does anyone seriously believe he gives a rat’s ass about the file? He cannot just ignore the squeaky wheels of the media concerning climate change. So, he plays the political game.
    In the meanwhile he attacks the issues that really matter.

  4. ‘I am though extremely disappointed that our alternative has gone over to the dark side on this issue.’
    It is getting a little nauseating hearing Conservatives whine that Mr. Harper has embraced climate change.
    Has he adopted Kyoto?
    Has he stated that he believes global warming is man-made?
    Has he declared the Canadian government must waste untold resources saving the world from climate change?
    No…no..and…no!!!
    What he has done is take a pragmatic tone on the issue. Does anyone seriously believe he gives a rat’s ass about the file? He cannot just ignore the squeaky wheels of the media concerning climate change. So, he plays the political game.
    In the meanwhile he attacks the issues that really matter.

  7. Citoyen Dion has killed Kyoto. In what appears to be a Press release, the Liberals buried Kyoto with this obituary wherein Kyoto is not mentioned/included.
    This is an admission that Kyoto is a dead puffin; a POS/excrement hidden/buried with AdScam and the rest of the crimes/corruption of the Liberals.
    Kyoto has been bammed by Citoyen Dion.
    Dion sets priorities, again and again and
    …-
    Liberals will continue to work for a richer, fairer and greener Canada, and pursue the following priorities: […]
    “Seek effective solutions to protect our environment, such as setting absolute reduction targets for the emission of green-house gases;”
    http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19865&Itemid=41

  8. Remember when Liberal Pablo Rodriguez was cheered by Liberals, NDP and Bloc for embarassing Harper with presenting and passing a motion that corners the Government into implementing and meeting the Kyoto targets by 2012 which we all know is impossible even if we shutdown the whole country?
    Just imagine if Harper’s throne speech includes:
    “We will not implement this Kyoto motion”…
    What is Dion going to do? We all know the Fibs are going to try and avoid an election….Who is going to be embarrassed and cornered now?
    GOOD WORK RODRIGUEZ!!!
    I can’t wait for next week!

  10. I now think that every kid should see Gore’s film in school, together with a discussion of these 11 inaccuracies. Put in the proper context it would be an excellent way to teach critical thinking skills.

  11. UK courts redeem themselves on this issue.
    It would be very American to see it litigated. However opinion is opinion. But to get it properly labeled as opinion is important.
    It does belong in a media studies course as an example of a phenomena, and how to spin data.
    Will Al get the Nobel?

  12. Goodness gracious, the Goracle’s Kyoto Karbon Kredit Kult or the KKKK ™ are shown to contain 11 material falsehoods.
    So who was the Judas who left out the 12th material falsehood?
    I mean isn’t the Kyoto Karbon Kredit Kult all about the money?
    Hey, I have 30 pieces of silver, and BTW you can financially crucify your economy by being scientifically illerate.
    I believe we should start a self help group with 12 steps to freedom. Perhaps we should call it:
    Charlatans Anonymous
    Hi I’m a charlatan and I’m addicted to parting fools from their money.
    Come hither all yea shysters, mountebanks, quacks and snake oil salesmen!!
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP
    Commander in Chief
    Frankenstein Battalion
    2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
    Knecht Rupprecht Division
    Hans Corps
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  13. Do you suppose that this will affect his chances for the Nobel Peace Prize? If so, will it improve them or harm them?

  15. “At least eleven material falsehoods” UK court.
    More than enough for a fraud suit ?? Anywhere in the world ??
    Global Frauding 🙂

  16. since Al Gore is an “American” it is surprising that CBCpravda hasnt sent that noted Anti-American Kneel McDonald on an expose. It must irk them that the king of the AGW is a yank and not Dr. Bono Suzuki.

  19. I am sure that the UK court got it wrong somehow since:
    1) they must have overlooked the ‘right’ data, or
    2) the judges scope was too narrow as to be definitive, or
    3) there are some other lame excuses to invalidate the ruling as having any serious implications about the film’s credibility.
    Also, I am sure that this really has no impact on the overall credibility of AGW theory, for similar reasons, but also since:
    4) This was just a movie guys, it wasn’t meant to be serious, or
    5) Al Gore is a politician and may not understand all the science, or
    6) there are some other lame excuses….
    So, since all lot of Gore’s arguments tend to get used by AGW proponents, enlighten me…tell me what I am missing here? How does this not really affect your arguments and/or not degrade AGW credibility?
    Gentleman, start your spinning…..

  21. Frenchie ‘toungue-in-cheek’ 77, you are bang on !!
    AGW was, is and always be a Kult. A long time ago Jane Stewart, then Enviro Min, said “so what if the science is all phooney, …”
    Science has been eliminated from the argument. All that is left is ‘my faith is better than your faith’, ‘it is true because I believe’, ‘you will be rewarded — trust me’.
    Pathetic, when you think who fell for this;
    The United Nations
    Most Media
    Hollywood (not surprising)
    Democrats
    Liberals
    NDP (not the working man though, just Layton)
    Many Professors
    The public school system
    Who didn’t fall for the scam ?? All those not dependent on it.

  22. Frankly i hope gore is forced to return his undeserved oscar and those accademy award hudges get canned

  24. And so children, let this be a lesson to you.
    Never let a geneticist and a lawyer near a thermometer, or weather forecast, again.

  25. The courts have not gone far enough.
    Al Gore, Suzuki, et al should be accused and convicted of creating and conducting the most massive fraud in history.
    And then the civil suits to finish them off.

  28. Irwin…..I couldn’t agree more. This makes Enron,Adscam etc. look like child’s play.I am racking my mind trying to remember a bigger scam in history.Problem is,where do you find a good civil lawyer who isn’t owned by the KKKult?

  29. If Al Gore gets a Nobel Peace prize it will confirm the perversion of the award, lowering it to the level of the Order of Canada, who’s recipients include Suzuki and almost any other greenie that has stopped a logging truck.

  30. So it is illegal to lie in the UK? I am stunned. There is no such law in Canada or the US because no politician will vote it! How did the Brits do it?

  32. If Al Gore gets a Nobel Peace prize it will confirm the perversion of the award……..
    The Nobel peace prize is a leftwing political award; they might as well print it on toilet paper.
    The leftwing Ship of Fools™ commandeered by Al Gore has buried reason and given rise to anti-intellectualism.

  34. The problem is that they are still using that bullshit video in classrooms throughout Ontario. If not for the fact that I take a keen interest in my children’s education, they would be having friggin nightmares over this. I have had conversations with the board in the past, threatening legal action, if necessary. Reading this, I think it is time to call the board again. This just might get their attention!

  35. Hey Kingston Lad. My Daughter is in Grade 2 and she knows the name of this movie. If the school mentions showing it to the class, she is to tell me so i can keep her home that day. I’ll take her for a walk in the woods or go skiing instead.

  36. RL: Just waiting for someone to ask me in 😉
    Frenchie77: I will say again I have never seen An Inconvenient Truth. I do not use Al Gore as a source for what ever science I present. I see nothing that would apply to me or the science in general, but if you would like to look at specific points I would be more than happy to do that. There are some listed where I tend to agree with what is presented and some listed that are quite wrong in their conclusions. I will not be able to comment on how Gore presents them apart from pointing out obvious wordings.
    I will note that kmn136 at October 10, 2007 9:32 AM has an excellent idea and in fact if my school board ever wants to show it I will recommend that the 11 points be presented in a format that would allow me and someone else (with an opinion different than mine) if they wish to review the points and show the context of each. That would be fun (and educational).
    Regards,
    John

  37. Why do several (or ten) errors in data collection render invalid the message being put forward by Al Gore and his “Inconvenient Truth”?
    If his message promotes more debate before any large investments are made this too will be a benefit.
    I am a very long time Reformer/Conservative. Yet I think we all need to acknowledge that the Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged attitude towards the environment has to stop.

  38. Any school that shows this junk science film should be reqiured to tell the students thats its pure speculation and not the truth

  39. “If his message promotes more debate before any large investments are made this too will be a sbenefit.”
    The whole problem with Al Gore and David Suzuki is they claim the debate it over and that everything they say are indisputable facts. Al Gore has been challenged to to a debate by numerous scientist’s and has refused, he even refuses to answer questions from reporters.
    Tell one lie and you are a liar who could have been mistaken, tell 11 and you are totally unbelievable.

  40. Is it true that along with the Nobel Prize comes a million dollar paycheck?
    If it is, just add it to Gore’s fraudulent pile of money from his movie, TerraPass, and humping around the country for global warming.
    Looks good on all the lefties that are being separated from their money.

  41. just read the “world without us”
    not to worry a few million years and we are a 1 mm rust coloured layer in the geological record with a few aluminum, plastic and bronze shards.

  42. There are some laws in Canada that could prove embarrassing for all promoters of AGW – including the Ministry of the Environment, the MSM, politicians, activists, et cetera.
    However, what are the odds that the following would ever be applied?
    Spreading False Information
    Scott, supra, notes at p. 39 that it was upon this formulation of the offence that the Canadian Criminal Code provision was based. Enacted in 1892, s. 126 of the Criminal Code, S.C. 1892, c. 29, declared:
    126. Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to one year’s imprisonment who wilfully and knowingly publishes any false news or tale whereby injury or mischief is or is likely to be occasioned to any public interest.
    This notion of mischief in the common law has relevance to section 136 of the Canadian Code because the word “mischief” appears in the section. The recent English cases show the doctrine is not obsolete. Canadian law, based on statute, is more clearly formulated and goes farther than the actual holding in any English decision. Its roots are nevertheless to be found in what is an operative principle of the common law. It is wrong for anyone knowingly to cause a public mischief by publishing or telling lies. Lying itself does not constitute the crime. Injuring the public interest does.
    In 1955 (S.C. 1953-54, c. 51), the provision was removed from the “Sedition” section of the Code and re-enacted under the category of “Nuisance”. In doing this, Parliament made it clear that while the import of s. 181 was not to punish sedition, it continued to have a role to play. Section 166 stated:
    166. Every one who wilfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for two years

  43. Ron C says, “…I think we all need to acknowledge that the Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged attitude towards the environment has to stop”
    Quoting Ayn Rand, “to survive on this planet, you can either conquer nature or conquer people who conquer nature”. In other words, you can live off the land (primary industries) or live off people who live off the land (service sector, government).
    You have a third alternative?

  44. Perhaps someone with more time than myself could obtain a copy of the decision and maybe even a transcript of the evidence of the “gov’t expert”. It may make very interesting reading.
    How about everyone making copies of the newsbuster story and posting a copy where ever you see posters promoting Gore’s movie. I know there is one in my sons high school and i will provide my son with a copy of the article to beside the poster.

  45. If his message promotes more debate before any large investments are made this too will be a benefit.
    Your narcissistic infantile belief that any amount of money can alter climate/weather is the pinnacle of hubris. But when its not the illiberal left being taxed for this scam what do they care? They’re all about feelings anyway, they’ll feel good despite any measurable results. Just tell them what they want to hear and they’ll be satisfied, then reject this utter propaganda designed to fleece nations and enrich the elites.

  46. Old news Kate… I posted this under the “Stamps get stomped” post… Good to see your on the ball though.

  47. clair voyant, this is from the October 8, 2007, edition of the Times of India:
    “Laureates receive a gold medal, a diploma and 10 million Swedish kronor (1.53 million dollars, 1.08 million euros) which can be split between up to three winners per prize.”

  48. For what it’s worth, I personally don’t think ANYBODY who’s hyping global warming –, er, climate change — really believes it’s caused by human beings’ CO2 emissions, or farts from flatulent fauna, or even left-handed baseball pitchers, although the left-handed pitcher theory is arguably more plausible than anything yet posited by those who identify man made CO2 emissions as the cause of… which climate effect is it that CO2 emissions are supposed to cause? Warming, cooling, or change?
    Al Gore doesn’t believe the man made theory; for him it’s just money in the bank.
    Politicians, be they from Washington, London, Ottawa, or Timbuktu don’t believe it; for them it’s a means to steer public opinion away from fossil fuels towards alternative energy sources (read, nuclear energy).
    Learned people, be they IPCC contributors or ersatz climate scientists like Suzuki, don’t believe it; their politics dictate what public position they take on the issue.
    In short, EVERYONE knows this entire climate issue is, well, just a crock of crap… yep, that seems to be the best way to put it.
    “I will note that kmn136 at October 10, 2007 9:32 AM has an excellent idea and in fact if my school board ever wants to show it I will recommend that the 11 points be presented in a format that would allow me and someone else (with an opinion different than mine) if they wish to review the points and show the context of each. That would be fun (and educational).” (John Cross, 3:03PM)
    Hey, maybe our kids could watch an old Leni Riefenstahl film in grade school, as long as there’s an opposing point of view put forward.
    Or maybe BOTH of the propaganda films (Riefenstahl’s AND Gore’s) are just a bunch of crapola.
    Come on. We ALL know An Inconvenient Truth was laid out in such a way as to have the patina of being 100% fact, even though the producers right from Gore on down to the lowliest grip knew it was loaded with fluff, and utterly devoid of substance.
    Hate to say it, but it would seem to take a special kind of “ignorant” for anyone to buy into climate change, or… whatever… based on An Inconvenient Truth.

  49. Joe B. which climate effect is it that CO2 emissions are supposed to cause?
    The effect of increased CO2 emissions is an increase in IR radiation.
    If you can put forward an argument that defends Leni Riefenstahl you are much better at propaganda than I am. I am afraid that I will stick to the science; which – if you wish to discuss – I am willing.
    Regards,
    John

  50. Well, no John, I would never deign to defend a piece of crap like a Riefenstahl film.
    You’re not contending that you would try to defend a piece of crap like An Inconvenient Truth, are you?
    I think you missed “the cut of my jib”, as Mark Steyn would put it, by way of my comparison of 2 (TWO, mind you) films which were/are respectively propagating theories based solely on heaping piles of steaming b.s.
    You like to challenge people to debates about this global “warming/cooling/climate change” stuff, what? You must be some kind of crackerjack on planet Earth’s climate, eh? Maybe along the lines of Richard Lindtzen or Fred Singer.
    Or one of these guys, maybe.
    http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html
    You believe the hype, good for you. I don’t.

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