“Next to enriching plutonium, the most popular activity in Iran these days seems to be howling at the moon.”
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http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Study_US_preparing_massive_military_attack_0828.html
“Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East
Executive Summary & Introduction
There is considerable international discussion that the confrontation between Iran and the international community over its nuclear programme may change in character into a major war between Iran and either US or Israel or both in conjunction with allies such as the United Kingdom. This study uses open source analysis to outline what the military option might involve if it were picked up off the table and put into action. The study demonstrates that an attack can be massive and launched with surprise rather than merely a contingency plan needing months if not years of preparation. The study considers the potential for US and allied war on Iran and the attitude of key states. The study concludes that the US has made military preparations to destroy Iran’s WMD, nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of President George W. Bush giving the order. The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions…”
Of course, that could pay poorly against the great Canadian limp prick attitude that “We Are The World’s Greatest Unarmed Peace Keeper – the World loves Us For Our Non-committal, Non-confrontational attitudes…” http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-bawer2sep02,0,2697346.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
“…A growing movement is pushing a worldview that ignores history’s lessons about strength and appeasement.
By Bruce Bawer September 2, 2007
‘If you want peace, prepare for war,” counseled the Roman general Flavius Vegetius Renatus more than 1,600 years ago, echoing the sage advice given nine centuries earlier by the Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu. But in a film I saw recently at Oslo’s Nobel Peace Center, this ancient wisdom was turned on its head: “If you want peace,” it said, “prepare for peace.”
This purports to be wise counsel, a motto for the millennium. In reality, it’s wishful thinking that doesn’t follow logically from the history of war, the real lesson of which is the one that Sun Tzu and Vegetius taught: Conflict happens, power matters, and it’s better to be strong than to be weak. Human history has demonstrated repeatedly that you’re safer if your enemies know you’ll stand up for yourself than if you’re proudly outspoken about your defenselessness or your unwillingness to fight. Yet this truth is denied not only by the Nobel Peace Center film but by the fast-growing, troubling movement that the center symbolizes and promotes…”
project merlin you people. *project merlin* which had the CIA via a supposedly disgruntled soviet scientist (the disgruntled part was the ruse, he WAS a nuke scientist) ‘sold’ blueprints for a fission Bomb to Iran. the funny part of the ruse was the plans had a, ahem, (pssst: keep dis unner yer hat: dere’s a FLAW in da plans!! yupayupayup ahuck!! garsh we’se sooooo clever eh?) ‘defect’ in the blueprints. (glaringly obvious apparently)
regarding which the soviet scientist proceeded to offer to provide additional assistance ‘if needed’.
operation merlin folks: the white house GAVE iran the final key to producing a Bomb expecting they would simply barge ahead without thoroughly analysing them and create a dud. the only dud was this grade school level scheme.
great bunch eh?
Why bother discussing it? Iran is not to be trusted but we’ve sat back and watched haplessly as they go right on developing Nuclear capability by stealth, in the guise of Nuclear Energy. What do we intend to do about a mad regime with nuclear Bomb?
“He said he told people who believed otherwise: “I am an engineer and I am a master in calculation and tabulation.”
I guess he thinks he;s frigging with the Carter administration like they did when they took over the US embassy?
This is sad. We have a president who has a hard time restraining the fanatic imperialists in the pentagon who rely on constantly faulty intel who want to nuke anyone who calls them a name and we have a delusional madman in Iran who continues to send out threatening signals and thinks he’s impervious to radiation.
The general consensus from pentagon leaks these days is not IF they will bomb Iran but whether they will use several small strategic nukes on uranium plants and facilities or just mil-target bomb conventionally for a few days before they give the surviving leadership a chance to agree to surrender terms.
Slide rule boy better start calculating the odds of his own survival.
And IRAN is a memmber of the UN so why do we need the rotten UN?
If the US attacks Iran it is because it is the will of Allah. How could any Muslim complain? From which direction would the attack come from? The US is all around Iran.
Would Iran send more of it’s military into Iraq or into Afganistan? Will they pull their fighters out of Afganistan and Iraq? If they send more into Iraq will Iraq fight back?
Weapons become obsolete, is the US planning to use up it’s old generation stuff so it doesn’t have to mothball it? Use it or loose it.
Iran has been at war with the US for over 30 years but the US has not fought back…yet. When it does it will be because Allah wills it.
From Wikipedia’s entry on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “Early Life And Education” section:
Ahmadinejad, the son of a blacksmith, was born in Garmsar, near Tehran on October 28, 1956. In 1976, he took Iran’s national university entrance exams (konkoor) to gain admission into Iran’s top universities. His test score ranked him 132nd among over 400,000 participants that year, landing him at the Iran University of Science and Technology (IUST) as an undergraduate student of civil engineering.
After the Iranian Revolution, he entered the Master of Science program for civil engineering in 1984. In 1989, he became a member of the Science faculty at the university where he had studied. In 1997, he received his Ph.D. in transportation engineering and planning from the Science and Technology University. Even after being elected President, Ahmadinejad continued living in a simple apartment flat and eating meals brought from home, in his office. Both of these traits contributed to his widespread support amongst the poorer classes of Iran.
Ahmadinejad is married with two sons and one daughter.[20] One of his sons formerly studied at the Amirkabir University of Technology.
In August 2007, Ahmadinejad gave his approval for filmmaker Oliver Stone to make a biopic film on him.
Draw your own conclusions.
If the President of Iran believes he is a righteous man, we have another potential Hitler on our hands…..as if there was any question to that. He is a civil engineer, hardly a renowned scientist in human behaviour. If he believes he is righteous, he hasn’t a clue what a righteous man is, so we therefore will always have the upper hand on this nutjob.
daniel ryan – what conclusion can be drawn from this Wikipedia biography? It is a sterile outline – which may or may not be true in its points – but – it says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the man – his beliefs, ideology, plans. Nothing. Therefore, there can be no conclusions drawn. None.
@ET: It says something to me. Prez Ahmadinejad got some fame in his land for being a very “smart” guy, and he’s currently trying to remind everyone of it. That says to me that he’s on the ropes politically.
We have our own hitler here in Canada and his boss in the states. Don’t worry about Iran.,
where do the dots lead us to ….
amajamma’s group is the antithesis of pahlavi who they overthrew in, what, 1979?
pahlavi was supported a very long time by the US of A including jimmy cahtah in office at the time of the revolution.
using the logic of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, that would make jimmy cahtah a friend to the current right wing white house administration.
you sure as shyt wouldnt know it from the postings, er *pastings* HE gets here.
so can one of you dubyas clarify the situation here? just who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and who are the allies of each group?
There is a lot of world out there that are not W>A>S>P>.
Yomama –
> can one of you dubyas clarify the situation here? just who are the bad guys and who are the good guys
The bad guys are the ones who want to kill you.
The good guys are your family, friends, and fellow countrymen.
Allies are the ones who (at least temporarily {lately France?!)) do NOT actively support the bad guys, and may even supply support for your efforts to defend yourself.
Is that too complicated?
I know, in the typically confused drunken canadian mind, the first instinct is to agree that all Americans are evil, and therefore all terrorists who want to blow up Americans must be good.
In that typically canadian mind, then, this is a very confusing question.
Tell ya what, eh? Have another beer, and blame Bush.
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Study_US_preparing_massive_military_attack_0828.html
“Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East
Executive Summary & Introduction
There is considerable international discussion that the confrontation between Iran and the international community over its nuclear programme may change in character into a major war between Iran and either US or Israel or both in conjunction with allies such as the United Kingdom. This study uses open source analysis to outline what the military option might involve if it were picked up off the table and put into action. The study demonstrates that an attack can be massive and launched with surprise rather than merely a contingency plan needing months if not years of preparation. The study considers the potential for US and allied war on Iran and the attitude of key states. The study concludes that the US has made military preparations to destroy Iran’s WMD, nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of President George W. Bush giving the order. The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions…”
Of course, that could pay poorly against the great Canadian limp prick attitude that “We Are The World’s Greatest Unarmed Peace Keeper – the World loves Us For Our Non-committal, Non-confrontational attitudes…”
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-bawer2sep02,0,2697346.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
“…A growing movement is pushing a worldview that ignores history’s lessons about strength and appeasement.
By Bruce Bawer September 2, 2007
‘If you want peace, prepare for war,” counseled the Roman general Flavius Vegetius Renatus more than 1,600 years ago, echoing the sage advice given nine centuries earlier by the Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu. But in a film I saw recently at Oslo’s Nobel Peace Center, this ancient wisdom was turned on its head: “If you want peace,” it said, “prepare for peace.”
This purports to be wise counsel, a motto for the millennium. In reality, it’s wishful thinking that doesn’t follow logically from the history of war, the real lesson of which is the one that Sun Tzu and Vegetius taught: Conflict happens, power matters, and it’s better to be strong than to be weak. Human history has demonstrated repeatedly that you’re safer if your enemies know you’ll stand up for yourself than if you’re proudly outspoken about your defenselessness or your unwillingness to fight. Yet this truth is denied not only by the Nobel Peace Center film but by the fast-growing, troubling movement that the center symbolizes and promotes…”
project merlin you people. *project merlin* which had the CIA via a supposedly disgruntled soviet scientist (the disgruntled part was the ruse, he WAS a nuke scientist) ‘sold’ blueprints for a fission Bomb to Iran. the funny part of the ruse was the plans had a, ahem, (pssst: keep dis unner yer hat: dere’s a FLAW in da plans!! yupayupayup ahuck!! garsh we’se sooooo clever eh?) ‘defect’ in the blueprints. (glaringly obvious apparently)
regarding which the soviet scientist proceeded to offer to provide additional assistance ‘if needed’.
operation merlin folks: the white house GAVE iran the final key to producing a Bomb expecting they would simply barge ahead without thoroughly analysing them and create a dud. the only dud was this grade school level scheme.
great bunch eh?
Why bother discussing it? Iran is not to be trusted but we’ve sat back and watched haplessly as they go right on developing Nuclear capability by stealth, in the guise of Nuclear Energy. What do we intend to do about a mad regime with nuclear Bomb?
“He said he told people who believed otherwise: “I am an engineer and I am a master in calculation and tabulation.”
I guess he thinks he;s frigging with the Carter administration like they did when they took over the US embassy?
This is sad. We have a president who has a hard time restraining the fanatic imperialists in the pentagon who rely on constantly faulty intel who want to nuke anyone who calls them a name and we have a delusional madman in Iran who continues to send out threatening signals and thinks he’s impervious to radiation.
The general consensus from pentagon leaks these days is not IF they will bomb Iran but whether they will use several small strategic nukes on uranium plants and facilities or just mil-target bomb conventionally for a few days before they give the surviving leadership a chance to agree to surrender terms.
Slide rule boy better start calculating the odds of his own survival.
And IRAN is a memmber of the UN so why do we need the rotten UN?
If the US attacks Iran it is because it is the will of Allah. How could any Muslim complain? From which direction would the attack come from? The US is all around Iran.
Would Iran send more of it’s military into Iraq or into Afganistan? Will they pull their fighters out of Afganistan and Iraq? If they send more into Iraq will Iraq fight back?
Weapons become obsolete, is the US planning to use up it’s old generation stuff so it doesn’t have to mothball it? Use it or loose it.
Iran has been at war with the US for over 30 years but the US has not fought back…yet. When it does it will be because Allah wills it.
From Wikipedia’s entry on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “Early Life And Education” section:
Draw your own conclusions.
If the President of Iran believes he is a righteous man, we have another potential Hitler on our hands…..as if there was any question to that. He is a civil engineer, hardly a renowned scientist in human behaviour. If he believes he is righteous, he hasn’t a clue what a righteous man is, so we therefore will always have the upper hand on this nutjob.
daniel ryan – what conclusion can be drawn from this Wikipedia biography? It is a sterile outline – which may or may not be true in its points – but – it says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the man – his beliefs, ideology, plans. Nothing. Therefore, there can be no conclusions drawn. None.
@ET: It says something to me. Prez Ahmadinejad got some fame in his land for being a very “smart” guy, and he’s currently trying to remind everyone of it. That says to me that he’s on the ropes politically.
We have our own hitler here in Canada and his boss in the states. Don’t worry about Iran.,
where do the dots lead us to ….
amajamma’s group is the antithesis of pahlavi who they overthrew in, what, 1979?
pahlavi was supported a very long time by the US of A including jimmy cahtah in office at the time of the revolution.
using the logic of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, that would make jimmy cahtah a friend to the current right wing white house administration.
you sure as shyt wouldnt know it from the postings, er *pastings* HE gets here.
so can one of you dubyas clarify the situation here? just who are the bad guys and who are the good guys and who are the allies of each group?
There is a lot of world out there that are not W>A>S>P>.
Yomama –
> can one of you dubyas clarify the situation here? just who are the bad guys and who are the good guys
The bad guys are the ones who want to kill you.
The good guys are your family, friends, and fellow countrymen.
Allies are the ones who (at least temporarily {lately France?!)) do NOT actively support the bad guys, and may even supply support for your efforts to defend yourself.
Is that too complicated?
I know, in the typically confused drunken canadian mind, the first instinct is to agree that all Americans are evil, and therefore all terrorists who want to blow up Americans must be good.
In that typically canadian mind, then, this is a very confusing question.
Tell ya what, eh? Have another beer, and blame Bush.