32 Replies to “Err Support”

  3. …DOH
    Guess should read the tag line first eh…
    The type of helicopter was the first thing I noticed about the image, reading is not my favourite pastime
    😉

  5. For an unrelenting liberal rag, I thought the article wasn’t half bad. They’re being honest that a US pullout will result in instability, and something in the realm of a quarter to half million Iraqi casualties.

  7. Wasn’t it Pres Clinton that refused to accept OBL when he was offered the chance by an African leader who had him in jail. Guess he was too busy with ML.

  9. What Clinton did has nothing to do with Time magazine using a Russian Helicopter. I believe that he did refuse to accept OBL, but I think it had to do with Saudi (ally?) threats and the NSA saying that it wasn’t worth the USA’s time to accept him.
    Intelligence failures were huge (USS Cole, African Embassies, 911, IRAQ), and to assume that Bill wasn’t doing his job because he was having sex is ridiculous. Maybe Bush didn’t realise OBL was a real threat because he was (insert ridiculous reason here).
    Blaming Clinton is old hat. I might as well blame Reagan because of his involvement in the Iran hostage taking. Why not Truman for dropping the Bomb? Or Lincoln for whatever he did?

  10. Pulling out of Iraq will be the biggest mistake in military history, and may very well be the start of the downfall of the western world as we know it

  11. The eventual outcome of this war is not the fault of the media. The Coalition of the Always Wrong broke the most important rule of warfare: If you fail to plan, plan to fail.

  12. Greg,
    I think getting into Iraq was a bigger problem than pulling out. I think you may be drinking too much hyperbole juice. Iraq is just a hole in the desert… the British pulled out (for the first time) a while ago and it didn’t cause a downfall of western civilization. This is just the latest round of poor planning by superpowers.
    Iran getting a large arsenal of nukes… now THAT would be the start of the downfall.

  13. “It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.”
    – General Douglas MacArthur
    It seems the left half of the entire western world has forgotten that little gem.

  14. Russian chopper…, oh well, close enough for folk music.
    These media organizations are in a death spiral. There doesn’t seem to be any professional craftsmen left that take pride in their work.
    It is as if the parents have gone on vacation and left the kids in charge.

  15. “I might as well blame Reagan because of his involvement in the Iran hostage taking.”
    Posted by: Jon at July 22, 2007 8:06 PM
    Reagan? History is not your strong point, is it!
    Try Jimmy Carter in the last year of his only term; Reagan came next.
    Your credibility just got flushed.

  16. Oh those MSM’s. They don’t know an Mi-24 from a M-16. They’re so stupid. Ha ha ha. That so totally negates any criticism of George Bush, Steve Harper and Grant Devine, or anything conservative, be it fiscal, social, pseudo, chicken hawk or whatever.
    But how can those leftist, moonbat MSM’s be so stupid, yet be so nefariously influential and evil? Go figure.

  17. I wonder how it would be reported by the MSM, if that Russian helicopter got taken out by one of the leftover ‘Stingers’ that the USA originally gave to the Mujidheen to fight the Russians with?
    (After the Russians were driven out, the CIA very politely asked the Mujihideen to hand over all the unused Stingers? The Mujihideen laughed, and kept them.)

  18. Yoop,
    Don’t you find it a little bit conspicuous that the hostages were released almost right after he was elected. As The Onion wrote in their book “our Dumb Century” – New President Urges Public not to put two and two together.
    Carter was president when the hostages were taken, somehow they were released within days of Reagan being elected. Maybe Iran likes the Republicans?
    /sarc off

  19. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
    “Notably, some political analysts believe the crisis was the primary reason for U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s defeat in the U.S. Presidential Election of 1980.[2]
    The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day. The release took place just minutes after Ronald Reagan was officially sworn in as president of the United States.”
    creda-what? Best not to tangle with a computer literate 20-something.

  21. I take it that Franklin Foer, that meticulous fact checker, supervises Time’s covers as well as The New Republic’s editorial contents?

  22. CAnadian Observer,
    You are correct. Sustaining a democracy to fight a war over the lang haul is difficult.
    In this case it is pretty clear the coalition, the US in particular, thought it would be over by now.
    No need to saty just for points, and no need to stay to prevent a bloodbath. You stay for one and only one reason, it is in your interests to do so.
    At this stage, it isnt clear what the US interests are, other than the tactical one of killing bad guys (a good thing) but that would hardly be reason enough to stay.
    The US interest, imho, is that it leave a relatively stable state (in some form) that will not be hostile to the US and will develop to a point that it is exporting oil at a decent level (the two go hand in hand)
    Everything after that is icing on the cake. I still believe that there will be a military coup. The only institution the US trusts in that country is the one it trained, the iraqi military.
    Not the result they had hoped for, or stated, but one that meets US goals. How friendly that military will be with Iran depends on Iranian beahviour and on Iraqi national identity surpassing that of a Shia reliigous identity….the betting window is open on that one.
    DOes this mean the US pulls out….not yet….but I think all agree, even at the beginning, the US was not going to stay at the level it is at indefinitely.
    If the stories regarding an Iranian cash crunch are to be believed the Iranian regime cant afford to continue on its current path. It will tak a little time but keep the pressure up and that place should implode. That works, thats what the West did to the Soviet Union.
    I am more worried about Pakistan right now.

  23. Kate,
    Could you kindly explain (with your aged wisdom?) where I fell behind? As I stated earlier, blaming clinton for Osama Bin Laden is no more ridiculous than blaming Reagan, Truman or Lincoln?
    I understand you old folks remember seeing some things on TV, but I hardly remember high school (maybe for different reasons?) let alone something 27 years ago.
    Thanks,

  24. “creda-what? Best not to tangle with a computer literate 20-something.”
    Posted by: Jon at July 23, 2007 12:51 AM
    I was momentarily stunned into incoherent incredulity.
    OK… now I’m better.
    Wait one while I pick my ass up off the floor where it fell while I was rolling around laughing. I was putting floppy disk into the first desktops before you were born. Your literacy claim cost me a keyboard when the coffee shot out of my nose.

  25. Yoop,
    I suggest reading the whole tread rather than what makes you feel right.
    You will note that the point was… Blaming Clinton’s extra mariatal affair for 9/11 is analogous to blaming Reagan’s connection to hostage taking, Truman’s Bomb or Lincoln’s… whatever Lincoln did.
    I had to flip the sarcasm switch off “/sarc off”, because I felt ridiculous dealing with someone (not you… don’t worry)who blames Clinton. Just like you guys often hate the way everyone in Ontario blames Harris.
    Context is everything, I thought that (and am used to) this board being more than a series of non sequitors.

  26. O/T but…..
    Just to set the record straight borderguardwannabe, Uncle Tom’s Cabin did not contain any of those characters Those you noted were just a few of the individuals contained in the Bedtime Stories Series written by one Thornton W. Burgess. I had all of them read to me when I was a youngster and the complete set is sitting on by bookshelf as we speak. They are an invaluable tool in understanding the contemporary
    values and morals of mid-twentieth century America.

  27. “Yoop,
    I suggest reading the whole tread rather than what makes you feel right.
    … ”
    Posted by: Jon at July 23, 2007 10:34 AM
    I think it is time to bail out of this one. It has become just too perverse.
    This is akin to stopping your pickup next to a three-day-old, flattened platter of roadkill, getting out, and stomping on it to put it out of it’s misery.

  28. “The cost of an issue of TIME: $3.95; the time needed to flip through the unrelentingly liberal rag: two minutes, max; their use of a Russian helicopter to depict their hoped for retreat from Iraq by American forces: PRICELE”
    The cost of protracted involvement in a 2 front ME civil war: 450 billion tax payer dollars.
    Seeing the Bush regime return to sound fiscal conservative values…priceless.

  29. “first he pushed it, then kicked it, then head butted it etc, all the time fruitlessly arguing with it.”
    That sounds suspiciously like how many regulars here waste everyone’s time going in circles with trolls.

  30. Probably going to get slammed for pedantry, but, Bre’r Rabbit and the Tarbaby actually belong to the Uncle Remus stories, as related by Joel Chandler Harris. They’re all so wildly un-PC now it’s not surprising no one really remembers them, but there may be a few of the Ancient of Days like me who still recall Disney’s “Song of the South” … it’s worth investigating, if you’ve never seen it, and the Harris stories are still classics.

  31. Megaera3- Pedantic, off-topic but absolutely correct! I stand corrected. I guess I was mixing up my African-American critters from different stories. Some of Mr. Burgess’ characters were;
    Reddy Fox, Grandfather Frog, Bobby Coon, Blackie the Crow, Peter Rabbit and Jerry Muskrat.
    I sit corrected!

  32. WL: Good point. Spending money is bad. For instance, WW2 would have been far cheaper not fought, and after all, what business of ours is Europe or Asia or Africa?
    Mere matters of right and wrong or the rest of the world affecting North America? Distractions compared to spending money on an icky war, which is obviously just wrong and non-“conservative”, because “conservative” (And, Jesus, when did Bush claim to be a hard conservative? Never that I can recall) is just a synonym for “never spending money” – none of that balderdash about the legitimate powers and duties of government!

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