A small price to pay

Religion Of Submission 43 Comments

From Turkey, we find what happens when Islamism meets women in the workforce:

The shepherd, referred to only as “A.G.” in reports, arrived at the Konya Testing Hospital complaining of swollen testicles, and was sent to get ultrasound tests, but was refused service by two female doctors wearing headscarves. The shepherd later had to have one of his testicles removed by operation.

43 Replies to “A small price to pay”

  2. and this is the world the alqaida/taliban/hamas crew would have us living in…..not while I am still breathing…

  4. from the picture it looks like they removed his eyeballs too.
    and kingstonland, I’ll be breathing in short breaths if I ever go in a clinic and there is anyone wearing a headscarf.

  5. Apparently, AG was heard proclaiming, “I’d give my left nut to find a proper male doctor around here!”

  6. more than just nuts being lost….that whole part of the world has gone insane….how many women die every day because of retarded religious beliefs?????

  11. No, No!! The problem is George Bush stole the election……the disconnect between reality and the hatred for the anti-western democracies is unbelievable.
    Phony AP reporting, Reuters doing phony stuff, CBC doing strange stuff, all big Players. What’s the point of these not minor news services being so anti-Western Democracies? If the Islamic thugs got in power, that’d be the end of these very news services, or do they not see that.
    Strange Brew this.

  14. How many needless deaths by breast and cervical cancer happen because of gender segregation and lack of female facilities in the ME? How many battered females return home from the ER to their battering husbands empowered to batter by custom and with permission of imams?
    Someday I hope a scholar writes the definative book on just what has been the human cost on all levels inflicted by Islam. You can bet this scourge has inflicted the most suffering on women. Don’t expect the North American feminist harpies to fund Muslim women’s victim studies anytime soon. They are busy organizing pro-abortion rallies and walk-a-thons for breast cancer awareness here(like we aren’t all aware by now). The immediate crushing neglect and abuse of Muslim women as a cause would run counter to their absolute insular narcissism and the easy pickings of their causes.

  15. true John. we should not throw “stones” so to speak.
    it was only in the late in the 19th century that the Catholic church stopped making Castrato.

  20. In Canada he still would have been screwed due to waiting for our Soviet system to get around to him, but at least there would be no hint of ‘religious’ sexism – he could actually fall over dead and Canadians would still have ‘peace of mind’….

  21. I read in the BBC on the weekend that some Muslims in UK are now refusing to wash hands when visiting hospitals because they have learned that the antibacterial solutions contain alcohol.
    I won’t be surprised to learn that vaccinations will soon be similarly refused because the swabbing of the skin at the injection site is usually alcohol-based.

  22. spike: “does this mean this poor chap is now entitled to only 36 virgins when the time comes?”
    – *GROAN* bad, spike, bad…hehe
    Shaken: “…vaccinations will soon be similarly refused…”
    – Sadly, Darwin’s law might come into effect, otherwise, maybe there is a kosher cleaner…oh wait…bad choice of words
    😉

  23. Hey, John, put a fork in it, if you are seeking some profound equivalence. A handful of conservative Christian pharmacists, as per your poorly written and fact starved article, refusing to fill birth control pills is an absurd comparison. There are in my neighborhood probably 6-8 pharmacies counting supermarkets, you really think that WaPo’s swipe at ultra-conservative Christians is a nationwide, even meaningful, description of daily life in America? You really think there is an American anywhere that is up the creek getting their birth control prescription filled close to home?
    Unable to process, like the feminist harpies I described above, any egregious wrong in the world without a bash at Americans is the province of a very underdeveloped mind. Or, put another way, what idiot with all of the human rights abuses happening 24/7 around the globe by Islam files that stupid article away?

  25. Hell, that’s his choice. If he’s willing to face medical consequences over supposed religious beliefs/traditions, no matter how silly they may seem to us westerners, than so be it. After a few of them lose their testicles, they might change their mind. Or maybe not. It’s their choice.

  30. Actually Penny, what about all of those Christians are fighting against safe sex education in favour of abstinence training despite the fact that it doesn’t work, thus resulting in more deaths and unwanted pregnancies? Just ignore these inconvenient facts.
    Don’t get me wrong. I think Muslims are crazy, but I think they’re only a shade more crazy than all of the other primatives who believe in a sky god, solely because somebody brainwashed them with one of those dirty old books.

  31. isn’t the MSM advocating certifying muslim women doctors quickly- and all other immigrant”Doctors” and bypassing our normal proceedure??

  32. Hey, John, there is no safer sex than none, especially if you are a 12 or 13 year old. And, I bet, you’ve got no linkable definative studies on outcomes worth examining anyways. Not quite sure why there would be more deaths, but, I’m sure that odd piece of hyperbole came easily to you.
    We brainwashed by the “dirty old books” have been enlightened and humbled by the Wrath of John, so you can move along now.

  33. thats what happens when ya boink the sheep !!!
    p.s. john re the contraceptives: where to draw the line? pharmicists forced/prevented from selling tobacco? smut magazines?
    liquor stores forced/prevented from stocking products from certain other countries?
    department stores forced/prevented from selling firearms and bullets to customers carry permits?
    forced/prevented/forced/prevented.
    what these women need to do is a teensy bit of friggin RESEARCH and find out ahead of time ‘just in case’ which pharmacist is going to comply with what they want, or someone to hand out signs for the window advising people way ahead of time what that store’s stand is on this controversy.
    screw the gubbamint trying to trample the rights of business owners to follow their conscience.
    why dot you lobby to have the curricula changed in all the pharmacological schools to tell the prospective drug store operator WELL AHEAD OF TIME if they are going to be faced with this decision ??? hmmm ???
    too much like c-o-m-m-u-n-i-c-a-t-i-n-g to the public eh ??? big gubbamint not used to doing that eh???

  34. Penny, I doubt things like “facts” would work on somebody like yourself. Most conservative, especially the religious types hate facts. They prefer to go on faith. For some retarded reason, it’s easier to believe some idiot who claims to have spoken to god, or some spin-doctors rather than scientists, but whateves.
    Now sure… 12 and 13 year olds shouldn’t be having sex, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t learn about sex, and be starting to learn about how to stay safe. But really, what we are talking about here is teens, and young adults. Whether you like it or not, they’re going to be getting up to monkey-shines by the time they hit 15-16, and they’d better know how to stay safe.
    Now as for some links, here ya go:
    US gov preaching abstinense to 20-30 crowd:
    http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fnews%2Fwashington%2F2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm%3Fcsp%3D34
    Teens who take virginity pledges more likely to engage in oral or anal sex than non-pledging virgin teens and less likely to use condoms once they become sexually active:
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=21606
    Abstinence defies common sense:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9504871/
    Go ahead and believe what you want… conservatives always lose eventually. Look at history. We didn’t get here listening to folks like yourself who refuse to come down from the trees. I think I will move along now. No point wasting my time talking to people like yourself.

  36. John,
    the phenomenology of the philosophy of religion is not as dismissable as your post would suggest.
    Your reference to a sky god suggests an intellectual form of reductionism that simply does not fit the exploration of religious experience as it has manifested itself in various forms since human psychology began to interact with factors that create the profound.
    The fact that the Sacred can also be considered in the context of a moral force right alongside a way of viewing cosmogenesis simply makes the Mysterium Majestas and the Mysterium Tremendum more sublime.
    The fact of religious experience can be argued against because anything can be argued. But I can assure you that it is not dismissable.

  37. Dallas,
    Sure it is. People believe in all kinds of crazy things. And it’s getting really tiresome. Especially when said people ignore reality, in favour of basing their beliefs on what their pastor claims is god’s will.
    Now here is the thing. All religions are based on books. Books written by people and editted by people who claim to have spoken to god. Either these people are A) Crazy, or B) Trying to control people, and/or steal their money, or C) Both of the above.
    The books have no authority outside of themselves, are often full of contradictions, and are usually not supported by reality. And yet, despite all of this people still believe, and we politely say “oh well that’s okay.”
    Fortunately we have observed religions come into being over the past century like Mormonism, and Scientology. These faiths are no more silly than those before them, and yet we know that to believe in these things, you have to be a total idiot, because their founders were convicted frauds. Yet, millions happily hand over their cash, and do as they’re told.
    If you want to have a personal belief in the divine, go nuts, but don’t organized religion is for chumps. I mean jeez, you may as well believe in Winnie the Pooh.
    It is entirely possible to be a good person without fearing that god will send you to burn when you die if you are bad, and feed you lollypops if you’re good.
    If you have a chance, go read this series of letters between noted atheist Sam Harris, and Denis Prager. It’s an interesting read, though you may come away from it with something different than I did.
    http://jewcy.com/dialogue/monday_why_are_atheists_so_angry_sam_harris

  38. the internet version of the wings of a butterfly.
    could the 17 year old boy in Turkey conceive of the idea of losing one of his nuts would spark a debate on the other side of the world on the existance of God?
    right now he is more likely regretting that the backend of the sheep wasnt more padded.

  40. cal2, that’s really very funny.
    John,
    I can see that you have passionate feelings about your views.
    You mentioned “belief” several places in your post, mostly to denounce believers.
    I thought that the first line of my post would suggest to you that I am primarily interested in the phenomenology of religious experience. This is a philosophical orientation, and as a consequence I am not at all disturbed by someone who has no use for religion.
    You discussed the idea that all religions ultimately are derived from books with their possibilities of mistakes, and so on. This is simply not the case.
    Zen Buddhism, the most important religion in Japan, arises from the injunction “a sacred transmission outside the scriptures pointing directly at the mind.” …”outside the scriptures”… because the entire apparatus in Zen monasteries is for the reproduction of a certain experience. True, there are Buddhist scriptures, but the experience is the central element, and it takes very little scrutiny of Zen Buddhism to see this is the case.
    Likewise, the debate between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism is ultimately about how to interpret an experience that in the West we could only think of as being a “higher state of consciousness.”
    The Christian world probably has its highest expression in the “contemplation of divine beatitude.” There are “grades of interior prayer,” and someone who has the experience of contemplation of divine beatitude would be seen from a scientific orientation to be in a “higher state of consciousness” even though all this would be considered in theological language developed over centuries by contemplatives to try to understand the experiences that sometimes came.
    Likewise, one could go on and consider the Vedas, or the Yoga Sutras by Patanjali, and all of this is about experience. So believing or disbelieving is really not the crucial element to the student of the phenomenology of religion. In fact, these experiences happen both inside and outside of religion.
    This is far down the page, and I started not to bother, but I can understand how you can be bent out of shape by people who disagree with you and who insist that their views be respected. I’ve been bent out of shape by the same people, I’m sure. I can only tell you that religions are a significant part of our world and existence. They were here before we got here, and they will be here after we are gone, so my suggestion would be to try to find a way to live comfortably with them.

  41. Greg,
    Here’s the thing. So far as I’m concerned, people are free to believe in any crazy thing they want, so long as we all try and find some common ground in public reason, namely reality.
    As soon as people start pointing to any of these “sacred texts”, we have a problem.
    What is so disturbing about the current surge in Christianity and Islam, is the fact that the followers are disconnected from reality.
    So many conservatives ignored facts about Iraq, and look at the mess Bush has made. Likewise, conservatives have decided that evolution is junk science, despite the fact that is backed up by every single aspect of the physical sciences. And finally… global warming… a popular topic on this blog.
    This final issues, is a biggy. People are more willing to believe a few pundits, and crackpot researchers than thousands of scientists, and scientific bodies. Oddly enough, these are the same people who believe that god came down to earth via a virgin, in order to save us from our sins.

  42. John,
    it seems to me that the implication in your post is that Christianity and conservatism are synonymous.
    Perhaps this is true in Canada; I wouldn’t know. If you and several other people tell me that Canadian conservatives dominate Christianity in Canada, I have no basis on which to dispute that claim.
    In the United States, both liberals and conservatives have a very strong presence in the Christian community. In fact, if you would care to check into it, right now the American Episcopal Church is being split down the middle because liberals have championed a gay bishop and have appointed a woman as a bishop. This is a very liberal group, and they are only the one being so conspicuous that they make a lot of news. So to your south, there are plenty of liberal Christians.
    You know, I don’t see the important feature of religion to be its political component. Sometimes one has to deal with it, of course, but that’s not its primary raison d’etre.
    In as much as I’m a conservative myself, born and raised in the exact town as George Bush and the First Lady at the exact same time they were in school, my presumption would be that probably we would be in cordial disagreement in respect to political issues.

  43. “And then he finally did something smart- he paid a lot of money to L. Ron Hoover, and the FIRST CHURCH OF APPLIANTOLOGY.”
    -Frank Zappa

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