If you expect to march down the street carrying a flag in this country, you better have a bandana over your face, mister;
“We’re hearing that Mr. McHale got in the middle of the street and put a flag down there, and that’s when he and the other man from London, Ont. were arrested. So far all we know is that those two men have been arrested and there are no other arrests at this point.”
Vandermaas was reportedly forced to the ground by police, and the flag was ripped out of his hands when he crossed the police line.
The OPP said the men were arrested on charges of breaking the peace, which they noted is not a criminal offence, The Canadian Press reports.
[..]
He alleged that police are discriminating by turning a blind eye to aboriginals who break the law at the site.
“When a native commits a serious crime or any crime, they stand by and watch the crime take place and will not do anything to stop the crime. When a resident does the simplest thing, even putting up a Canadian flag or drinking a coffee in a lawn chair across some magic line, they will send in scores of officers to arrest the person,” he said.
“We have to take a stand and say to police forces that there is one set of laws for all citizens.”
[…]
McHale, who lives more than 100 kilometres from Caledonia, said he has involved himself in the Caledonia dispute because people in the area are living in fear of intimidation and are not in a position to speak out.
Like the owner of this home.
Update – Dust My Broom – “I’ve received a report of another home vandalized in Caledonia, Ontario. The story is currently unverified but I’ve been told that a couple came home to find it occupied by a number of natives from the area. The house was trashed with the walls inside covered with black spray paint. I am told that the police are currently investigating and the couple have left the home.”
truthwillcome
about as likely that the 300 million newcomers to NA. will move on as the Anglosaxon usurpers of Britain or the Normans or the Romans or the Huns in Italy. or the Franks in France or any other of the movements in the past 1000 years.
or drop back a bit and realize that the first owners of North America were the Clovis hunters from northern spain. here long before the Bering Straite Striders.
In a way the Spanish Conquest was a “reconquest” of lost lands.
all the earliest skeletons in N.A. are caucasian , not mongoloid. of that there is no doubt only rewritten history.
{Congratulations Ontario you have proven that indiffernce to the plight of others gives a new meaning to the word “abandonment”…at least in Ontario.}
RIGHT ON I can’t get people anywhere to care: people say this is our problem. NEWS FLASH this is every body’s problem; who’s next is the question! Do you want my HELP! I now have connections all over Canada like this site.
Thank God for small dead animals and others like them; since the media is corrupt too!
Yes my house is at the top!
Jim Smith
Caledonia
{Congratulations Ontario you have proven that indiffernce to the plight of others gives a new meaning to the word “abandonment”…at least in Ontario.}
RIGHT ON I can’t get people anywhere to care: people say this is our problem. NEWS FLASH this is every body’s problem; who’s next is the question! Do you want my HELP! I now have connections all over Canada like this site.
Thank God for small dead animals and others like them; since the media is corrupt too!
Yes my house is at the top!
Jim Smith
Caledonia
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http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4778230117251223816&hl=en-CA
Well, if any of you live in Caledonia, here is something you can do:
Organize citizens groups to show up at the events, watch for criminal activity, and perform citizens arrests. Ensure you have someone on hand who is aware of the relevant laws and can advise you on proper procedures. Also ensure that you have at least one person, and preferably more, video-taping the whole thing. If the police are unable to do their jobs, you have every right to enforce the law yourselves. If the police attempt to interfere with a reasonable citizens arrest…well, it should make for an interesting news program, and an even better lawsuit.
Yeah, it should never have to come to such extreme measures, but it’s a definite option. And I think it’s a better idea than hiring the Hells Angels 🙂
Thanks Jim, for identifying that this was your home in Caledonia that was defaced. I had the information privately, of course, but my default setting is to preserve anonymity in matters such as these, unless I have permission to say otherwise..
Firsthand from a Caledonian citizen: McHale did not cross onto disputed land.
Lefties and liberals will hail J.F.Kennedy’s identification with citizens of Berlin when he said “I am a Berliner”. Yet they condemn McHale for identifying himself with Caledonians.
Why don’t we all identify ourselves with these people who suffer injustice and have their freedoms and rights trampled on?
OPP in action = OPP inaction!
Dalton McGuinty is a eunuch; a spineless little weasel.
I cannot believe that there are one set of people protesting, burning down hydro towers, destroying property, threatening, and assaulting people – yet they get away with it. And then you have one person counter protesting – and HE is the one arrested?! The law is not applied to favour one race in this country? Whatever.
We are supposed to be a civilized country where this behavior is not tolerated. If one of these POS were ever to break into our house and threaten MY family, I would end them by whatever means necessary. This Liberal provincial government would put ME in jail for THAT, yet let criminals do whatever they want? What kind of Country is this?!
There is no way that McGuinty should be Premier. If there were ever an impeachment process for provincial Premiers, it should be used – now. For a provincial government to allow this kind of criminal activity to occur for so long where NOTHING is done in response is criminal in itself.
These “protesters”, these tough guy “protesters” that hide and mask their face, commit crime openly and deride Canada. should be crushed, utterly and absolutley SMASHED. Enough was enough MONTHS ago.
Wouldn’t it be a wonderful Christmas present for everyone if,
All protestors, envirowackos, human rights courts and so many other groups causing problems in Canada, started to work on the problems of today, instead of trying to rewrite history and change laws, acts, supposed wrongs, scam money from cdn taxpayers, and life in general, of things that happened centuries ago. When are the natives going to go after all the tribes that killed each other during the indian wars. Time to pass a law that all legislation, land deals, supposed wrongs etc that happened up to and including Dec 31, 1999 are forever sealed and can not be brought up again. Any lawyer or group attempting to do so will face an automatic jail sentence of 25 years for all participants. And should any native group get any land, they must pay for all improvements on said land, all taxes on said land, and lose all rights as a native. They must become cdn citizens subject to all our laws and customs.
After we have settled all this native crap, we can start on the muslims. They are the next group that will try to take over Canada. If they can impose their will on us, why can’t we impose our christian values on them.
Irwin Daisy wrote, “This situation is a microcosm of the of the overall, western multi-culti experiment. It is not democratic, neither is it just. The loud mouthed, savage minority wins. The democratic majority and the rule of law loses.
“As one commentator said – the majority of ‘moderate’ Indians are in fear of speaking up against the active ‘terrorist’ minority. Sound familiar? Nazis? Muslims?” (And I’ll add public school teachers in boards with increasing numbers of deviant students and their parents)
What’s been happening in Caledonia’s happening in virtually all of our politically correct public school boards in this country. The more they highlight bullying and rewrite–constantly–their Behaviour Codes, the worse the problem becomes. Why? The boards’ real agenda is not to actually deal with the barbaric behaviour of a critical mass of students–many of them from ‘protected’ viz-min groups–but to shove it underground.
E.g., One large board has revised its “Safe [sic] Schools” guidelines in order to let such students “off the hook” re consequences: there is now a whole list of “mitigating circumstances” for special education students who transgress. (A very large proportion of problem behaviour comes from this group.) IMO, this escape clause–with orders from above–is regularly used to avoid both documenting and dealing with deviant behaviour. A recent example known to me personally: a viz-min student brought to school a lethal weapon. The teacher, unaware of the new “mitigating circumstances” rubrics, pressured admin. to follow what the teacher thought was the standard procedure for such an offence: suspend the student and file a weapons report with the police. (Both these actions would be on the public record and available to interested third parties–not what the board wants at all!)
The principal invoked the “mitigating circumstances” loophole and the child went scot free: the board too because there’s now no record that this incident took place. The child’s parent was even called and told the weapon could be picked up at the school office. I kid you not. The administrator who did this–actually, personally, a very nice person–has just been promoted.
I’m quite sure that administrators in the schools have been given explicit instructions by the “higher ups” to keep such incidents “under the radar”. If the administrator in question had officially logged the incident, rather than using the “mitigating circumstances” rubric, there most certainly would have been no pats on the back: no promotion either! What a bloody mess.
So, if an interested citizen should check this board’s record for suspensions and weapons reports, IMO, the record would show quite a sharp drop off. A reasonable person might conclude that the kids’ behaviour is improving. A reasonable person, of course, would be quite wrong: the kids’ behavior is becoming more barbaric by the minute, partly because the powers that be refuse to either officially acknowledge much of the deviant behaviour in their jurisdictions or impose appropriate sanctions–heck, any sanctions at all. This despicable abrogation of responsibility puts everyone in the system, including the miscreant–and society at large–in danger.
So, tragically, but effectively, our public schools–aided and abetted by the Charter culture of entitlement: don’t even get me started on that cesspool!–are incubators for the next generation of “Native Warriors”.
We’re just beginning to reap the whirlwind. Hold onto your hats!
The comment about having the shower to remove the stench of the Management of the OPP and probable interference by the Ontario Government is right on.
Remember when the Roman Pilot washed his hands when Jesus was brought to him to be crusified. He wanted nothing to do with that either.
The Canadian military have the right to refuse to follow an illegal order yet the OPP like sheep turn on citizens of Canada and allow native criminals to get away scot free because questionable management decisions tell them it is their duty. Their duty is to follow to the letter the Police Services Act and their oath. It is their duty not follow orders that cause them to abandon their principles.
A home on Aryle Street in Caledonia was all but demolished yesterday with an OPP cruiser parked 24 hours a day just down the street in full view of the home yet nobody saw anything. This is so much bull that I can smell it miles away.
Watching someone walking/sneaking up on a porch at night with a spraycan in their hand must appear an awful lot like, or exactly like someone sneaking with a gun.
http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/
Over at Caledonia Wake Up Call they now have a video link to the destruction of the home Dec. 18.
Take time out, watch this video, this could be any one of our homes the week before Christmas. SHAME on the warriors, SHAME on the OPP, SHAME on McGutless, SHAME on the Federal Government. I encourage everyone to pass this video around. Enough is enough!
I’ve heard a number of comments about how the OPP are just following orders. Well the OPP have a pretty strong union. If the OPP officers wanted to regain good relations with Canadians/Caledonians they would go on strike in protest of having to follow orders that are in violation of their code of ethics and responsibility to uphold the law.
How on earth does everyone here know it was natives who broke into that house? Were you all there? Also the cops busted the idiot who painted the swastika on his own house. So before you spread unsubstantiated lies about who did this learn the truth or shut the hell up.
How on earth does everyone here know it was natives who broke into that house? Were you all there? Also the cops busted the idiot who painted the swastika on his own house. So before you spread unsubstantiated lies about who did this learn the truth or shut the h*** up.
Keithphibbs: are you saying Jim Smith has been arrested ?
Keithphibbs are you saying that Jim Smith broke the law?
Keithphibbs; are you saying Jim Smith vandalized his own house ?
Keithphibbs; could you please direct me to any information that supports your assertions?
Keithphibbs: Do you really think anyone would paint a
swastika on their own home??? Give me a break. Do you really think that any family would trash their own home a week before Christmas??? Give your head a shake. Gary McHale was held over night for breach of peace. Guess what, that is not a criminal offense.
He will sue Fantino and the officer who arrested him for holding him overnight when he wasn’t charged with anything.
One more thing if you think that things are so rosey in Caledonia, I bet you could buy a house there cheap! Only then would you have your eyes opened……
cal2
Keep on believing your salvage anthropology-ethnohistory its gotten you this far. You still believe in that bearing strait bullsh*t… like I said just keep on spinning your crap. You people are evidence that if you tell enough bullsh*t that serves the status quo then it becomes fact….earliest skeletons were caucasion hmph..hmph….hahahahahahahahhaaaaaaa! First indian affairs agents maybe.
http://tinyurl.com/y2z22b link to Dust My Broom UPDATE on Caledonia
Now you’ll understand why third-world immigrants to Canada DON’T trust the police. They been there before and had the close-up experience where politicos treat their police as private guardians that results in civic anarchy and breakdown.
Statutory laws that are supposed to apply equally to all citizens are now corrupted due to inaction by the Ontario Political Police. Canada is slipping into a similar third-world corrupted state that eventually leads to valid reasons why people uproot themselves and seek greener pastures elsewhere.
Nothing new here; it’s just history repeating itself over and over again. Now it’s our turn.
Jacquelin hit the nail on the head! The adage of “the OPP are just following orders” is complete BS.
If the OPP were told by “higher powers” to start running over any natives found off of DCE land, would that make it legal and would the OPP enforce such “orders”? I think not.
The OPP have a sworn Oath to uphold — being told to ignore that Oath by higer powers doesn’t make it legal or right.
What if McGuinty said “We are cutting the OPP salaries by 25% (so we can give it to MPP’s)”? You think the OPP would strike then? Damn staight!
My point is simply this — if something happened that would directly affect any OPP officer, the sh*t would hit the fan and they would start “thinking for themselves”, regardless of the orders from Queens Park. Seeing as this “confrontation” has no real affect on OPP officers in general, they stand there like mindless manequins.
Last week I saw an accident on the 403… not two minutes passed and an OPP officer arrived on the scene…. but he did not stop. I thought that was odd and just happened to get off at the same exit as he did. Guess where he went? The local OPP station as it was 2:45pm… I guess a shift change is more important than public service/safety! (Sorry, the lack of OPP enforcement on our highways is a whole other issue!)
For those of you that state “Gary McHale does not care about the citenzens of Caledonia” — well, (I say this in the nicest way) he technically doesn’t. Caledonia is NOT the issue, as Gary has pointed out so many times — it just happens to be where the latest native confrontation is. This is about TWO TIERED JUSTICE! Gary is standing up for ALL CITIZENS OF CANADA — not the population of Caledonia. He (and anyone like him) has my support 110%.
If activists decided that they were going to “save the trees”, on DCE land, after the construction had started, how many HOURS do you think would pass before each and every one of these activists were in jail? (This is a rhetorical question… do a Google search!) Yet the same situation exists in Caledonia and has continued for over 10 MONTHS.
As for the comment about the “ciggy factory” creating over a billion dollars in revenue… it takes 10 billion dollars of taxpayers money every year to keep factories like that running. Nevermind the CPP, UIC and taxes not being remitted from the said factory. Not enough? OK, we’ll give you the land to build the factory too! How are we (the Canadian taxpayer) benefiting from that? Still not enough? Heck, we’ll throw in Health Care, Education, more tax breaks AND… we’ll give you a bunch of “get out of jail free” cards.
If natives are not Canadian Citizens, take back the 10 billion, take back health care, take back drivers licenses and passports… let’s see these “natives” live off the land like their “pristine, prehistoric ancestors”.
I thin the comment by Pat Houlley (native protestor) sums it up…
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“We’ve never abandoned our traditional government nor been conquered by any war,” Houlley said.
— END QUOTE–
This statement, to me, indicates two things;
1) The “native government” supports the actions of these protestors (for the comment above that states there are a “few” protestors who do not have the support of the native community). If they didn’t, they would be arresting their own protestors (hey, kinda like the OPP!).
and
2) The natives will, once again, need to be “conquered by war”. — Where do I sign up?
FYI the cowards also spray painted and injured Jim’s dog. SHAME ….disgusting
Careful Kyle unless you are truly ready to back up these words and we will see as I am presently sending your comment to every Native organisation I know to obtain feed back. And Natives were not conquered by war they were decimated by European disease and europeans gained the upper hand by over populating the areas you mindless f*ck. Even a stupid arrogant idiot like you should be expected to do a little unbiased research before you post on these sites otherwise it is just the same old colonial rhetoric substantiating your mindless hillbilly arrogance. You can’t be first I don’t even think you should be deemed next in regards to North America so why not just f**K off and take your self rightousness ass back over seas where I am sure it will be welcome…yea right good luck with that, if that were the case you and your ilk would not be North Americas problem in the first place.
Truewillcome: Another case for fear and intimidation. You are the one with the racist problem! Do we dare speak out???? You want us all to leave??? Give your head a shake! Where would all of the tax dollars come from??? Bet you love cashing your cheque every month from the government ie: THE TAXPAYER! Your logic is simply mind blowing…….You can put me on your list too!
Truthwillcome the truth is here. I thought you might be interested in a little Mohawk history.
Mohawk Indian Tribe History
Mohawk (cognate with the Narraganset Mohowaùuck, ‘they eat (animate) things,’ hence ‘man-eaters’) The most easterly tribe of the Iroquois confederation. They called themselves Kaniengehaga, ‘people of the place of the flint.’
In the federal council and in other intertribal assemblies the Mohawk sit with the tribal phratry, which is formally called the “Three Elder Brothers” and of which the other members are the Seneca and the Onondaga. Like the Oneida, the Mohawk have only 3 clans, namely, the Bear, the Wolf, and the Turtle. The tribe is represented in the federal council by 9 chiefs of the rank of roianer (see Chiefs), being 3 from every clan. These chiefships were known by specific names, which were conferred with the office. These official titles are Tekarihoken, Haienhwatha, and Satekarihwate, of the first group; Orenrehkowa, Deionhehkon, and Sharenhowanen, of the second group; and Dehennakarine, Rastawenserontha, and Shoskoharowanen, of the third group. The first two groups or clans formed an intratribal phratry, while the last, or Bear clan group, was the other phratry. The people at all times assembled by phratries, and each phratry occupied aside of the council fire opposite that occupied by the other phratry. The second title in the foregoing list has been Anglicized into Hiawatha
From the Jesuit Relation for 1660 it is learned that the Mohawk, during a period of 60 years, had been many times both at the top and the bottom of the ladder of success; that, being insolent and warlike, they had attacked the Abnaki and their congeners at the east, the Conestoga at the south, the Hurons at the west and north, and the Algonquian tribes at the north; that at the close of the 16th century the Algonkin had so reduced them that there appeared to be none left, but that the remainder increased so rapidly that in a few years they in turn had overthrown the Algonkin. This success did not last long. The Conestoga waged war against them so vigorously for 10 years that for the second time the Mohawk were overthrown so completely that they appeared to be extinct. About this time (?1614) the Dutch arrived in their country, and, being attracted by their beaver skins, they furnished the Mohawk and their congeners with firearms, in order that the pelts might be obtained in greater abundance. The purpose of the Dutch was admirably served, but the possession of firearms by the Mohawk and their confederates rendered it easy for them to conquer their adversaries, whom they routed and filled with terror not alone by the deadly effect but even by the there sound of these weapons, which hitherto had been unknown. Thenceforth the Mohawk and their confederates became formidable adversaries and were victorious most everywhere, so that by 1660 the conquests of the Iroquois confederates, although they were not numerous, extended over nearly 600 leagues of territory. The Mohawk at that time numbered not more than 500 warriors and dwelt in 4 or 5 wretched villages.
The accounts of Mohawk migrations previous to the historical period are largely conjectural. Some writers do not clearly differentiate between the Mohawk and the Huron tribes at the north and west and from their own confederates as a whole. Besides fragmentary and untrustworthy traditions little that is definite is known regarding the migratory movements of the Mohawk.
In 1603, Champlain, while at Tadousac, heard of the Mohawk and their country. On July 30, 1609, he encountered on the lake to which he gave his own name a party of nearly 200 Iroquois warriors, under 3 chiefs. In a skirmish in which he shot two of the chiefs dead and wounded the third, he defeated this party, which was most probably largely Mohawk. Dismayed by the firearms of the Frenchman, whom they now met for the first time, the Indians fled. The Iroquois of this party wore arrow-proof armor and had both stone and iron hatchets, the latter having been obtained in trade. The fact that in Capt. Hendricksen’s report to the States General, Aug. 18, 1616, he says that he had “bought from the inhabitants, the Minquaes [Conestoga], 3 persons, being people belonging to this company,” who were “employed in the service of the Mohawks and Machicans,” giving, he says, for them, in exchange, “kettles, beads, and merchandise,” shows how extensively the inland trade was carried on between the Dutch and the Mohawk. The latter were at war with the Mohegan and other New England tribes with only intermittent periods of peace. In 1623 a Mohegan fort stood opposite Castle island. in the Hudson and was “built against their enemies, the Maquaes, a powerful people.” In 1626 the Dutch commander of Ft Orange (Albany), and 6 of his men, joined the Mohegan in an expedition to invade the Mohawk country. They were met a league from the fort by a party of Mohawk armed only with bows and arrows, and were defeated, the Dutch commander and 3 of his men being killed, and of whom one, probably the commander, was cooked and eaten by the :Mohawk. This intermittent warfare continued until the Mohegan were finally forced to withdraw from the upper waters of the Hudson. They did not however relinquish their territorial rights to their native adversaries, and so in 1630 they began to sell their lands to the Dutch. The deed to the Manor of Renssalaerwyck, which extended w. of the river two days’ journey, and was mainly on the F. side of the river, was dated in the year named. In 1637 Kilian Van Renssalaer bought more land on the east side. Subsequently the Mohegan became the friends and allies of the Mohawk, their former adversaries.
In 1641 Ahatsistari, a noted Huron chief, with only 50 companions, attacked and defeated 300 Iroquois, largely Mohawk, taking some prisoners. In the preceding summer he had attacked on Lake Ontario a number of large canoes manned by Iroquois, probably chiefly Mohawk, and defeated then, after sinking several canoes and killing a number of their crews.
In 1642, 11 Huron canoes were attacked on Ottawa river by, Mohawk and Oneida warriors abort 100 miles above Montreal. In the same year the Mohawk captured Father Isaac Jogues, two French companions, and some Huron allies. They took the Frenchmen to their villages, where they caused them to undergo the most cruel tortures. Jogues, by the aid of the Dutch, escaped in the following year; but in 1646 he went to the Mohawk to attempt to convert them and to confirm the peace which had been made with them. On May 16, 1646, Father Jogues went to the Mohawk as an envoy and returned to Three Rivers in July in good health. In September he again started for the Mohawk country to establish a mission there; but, owing to the prevalence of an epidemic among the Mohawk, and to the failure of their crops, they accused Father Jogues of “having concealed certain charms in a small coffer, which he had left with his host as a pledge of his return,” which caused them thus to be afflicted. So upon his arrival in their village for the third time, he and his companion, a young Frenchman, were seized, stripped, and threatened with death. Father Jogues had been adopted by the Wolf clan of the Mohawk, hence this clan, with that of the Turtle, which with the Wolf formed a phratry or brotherhood, tried to save the lives of the Frenchmen. But the Bear clan, which formed a phratry by itself, and being only cousins to the others, of one of which Father Jogues was a member, had determined on his death as a sorcerer. On Oct. 17, 1646, the unfortunates were told that they would be killed, but not burned, the next day. On the evening of the 18th Fattier Jogues was invited to a supper in a Bear lodge. Having accepted the invitation, he went there, and while entering the lodge a man concealed behind the door struck him down with an ax. He was beheaded, his head elevated on the palisade, and his body thrown into the river. The next morning Jogues’ companion suffered a similar fate. Fattier Jogues left an account of a Mohawk sacrifice to the god Aireskoi (i. e., Jregwěns’ gwǎ’, ‘ the Master or God of War’). While speaking of the cruelties exercised by the Mohawk toward their prisoners, and specifically toward 3 women, he said: “One of them (a thing riot hitherto done) was burned all over her body, and afterwards thrown into a huge pyre.” And that “at every burn which they caused, by applying lighted torches to her body, an old man, in a loud voice, exclaimed, ‘Daimon, Aireskoi, we offer thee this victim, whom we burn for thee, that thou mayest be filled with her flesh and render us ever anew victorious over our enemies.’ Her body was cut up, sent to the various villages, and devoured.”
Megapolensis (1644), a contemporary of Fattier Jogues, says that when the Mohawk were unfortunate in war they would kill, cut up, and roast a bear, and then make an offering of it to this war god with the accompanying prayer: “Oh, great and mighty Aireskuoni, we know that we have offended against thee, in as much as we have not killed and eaten our captive enemies-forgive us this. We promise that we will kill and eat all the captives we shall hereafter take as certainly as we have killed and now eat this bear.” he adds: “Finally, they roast their prisoners dead before a slow fire for some days and then eat them up. The common people eat the arms, buttocks, and trunk, but the chiefs eat the head and the heart.”
The Jesuit Relation for 1646 says that, properly speaking, the French had at that time peace with only the Mohawk, who were their near neighbors and who gave then the most trouble, and that the Mohegan (Mahingaus or Mahiuganak), who had had firm alliances with the Algonkin allies of the French, were then already conquered by the Mohawk, with whom they formed a defensive and offensive alliance; that during this year some Sokoki (Assok8ekik) murdered some Algonkin, whereupon the latter determined, under a misapprehension, to massacre some Mohawk, who were then among then, and the French. But, fortunately, it was discovered from the testimony of two wounded persons, who had escaped, that the murderers spoke a language quite different from that of the Iroquois tongues, and suspicion was at once removed from the Mohawk, who then hunted freely in the immediate vicinity of the Algonkin north of the St Lawrence, where these hitherto implacable enemies frequently meet on the best of terms. At this time the Mohawk refused Sokoki ambassadors a new compact to wage war on the Algonkin.
The introduction of firearms by the Dutch among the Mohawk, who were among the first of their region to procure them, marked an important era in their history, for it enabled them and the cognate Iroquois tribes to subjugate the Delawares and Munsee, and thus to begin a career of conquest that carried their war parties to the Mississippi and to the shores of Hudson bay. The Mohawk villages were in the valley of Mohawk river, N. Y., from the vicinity of Schenectady nearly to Utica, and their territory extended north to the St Lawrence and south to the watershed of Schoharie creek and the east branch of the Susquehanna. On the east their territories adjoined those of the Mahican, who held Hudson river. Front their position on the east frontier of the Iroquois confederation the Mohawk were among the most prominent of the Iroquoian tribes in the early Indian wars and in official negotiations with the colonies, so that their name was frequently used by the tribes of New England and by the whites as a synonym for the confederation. Owing to their position they also suffered much more than their confederates in some of the Indian and French wars. Their 7 villages of 1644 were reduced to 5 in 1677. At the beginning of the Revolution the Mohawk took the side of the British, and at its conclusion the larger portion of them, under Brant and Johnson, removed to Canada, where they have since resided on lands granted to them by the British government. In 1777 the Oneida expelled the remainder of the tribe and burned their villages.
In 1650 the Mohawk had an estimated population of 5,000, which was probably more than their actual number; for 10 years later they were estimated at only 2,500. Thence forward they underwent a rapid decline, caused by their wars with the Mahican, Conestoga, and other tribes, and with the French, and also by the removal of a large part of the tribe to Caughnawaga and other mission villages. The later estimates of their population have been: 1,500 in 1677 (an alleged decrease of 3,500 in 27 years), 400 in 1736 (an alleged decrease of 1,100 in 36 years), 500 in 1741, 800 in 1765, 500 in 1778, 1,500 in 1783, and about 1,200 in 1851. These estimates are evidently little better than vague guesses. In 1884 they were on three reservations in Ontario: 965 at the Bay of Quinté near the east end of Lake Ontario, the settlement at Gibson, and the reserve of the Six Nations on Grand river. Besides these there are a few individuals scattered among the different Iroquois tribes in the United States. In 1906 the Bay of Quinté, settlement contained 1,320; there were 140 (including ”Algongnins”) at Watha, the former Gibson band which was removed earlier from Oka; and the Six Nations included an indeterminate number.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/mohawk/mohawkhist.htm
Good come back, Truthwillcome! I guess I should have expected the vulgarity and name-calling. LOL!
I am quite aware of how the Mohawks were “conquered”… look up the term “Biological Warfare” .
You say “your ilk would not be North Americas problem in the first place”… the same holds true for Mohawks. Yeah, we gave you Smallpox… but if we didn’t decide to save your ass with vaccination, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Betsy: what’s your point? I’ve read through your post twice and must be missing what you’re trying to point out (and I have read that text before today, along with many others). Are you trying to show how the Mohawks were dwindled down to nothing over a period of 300 years? Maybe you’re trying to point out that the Mohawks are cannibals? Maybe you’re pointing out that the Mohawks sold thier land and were then “granted” land back to live on by the British Government? I really don’t know…
Let’s hear what you have to say…. not a cut and paste from a site who’s content cannot be verified as being accurate (or even non-fictional). Let’s hear, from you, what Mohawks have done for society in the last 100 years (seems that all your “Indian” sites seem to leave the last 100 years out of their “history”).
Obviously I got the reaction that I expected. It was a bit surprising that Truthwillcome wasn’t the first to respond. Then again maybe truthwillcome doesn’t really know much about Mohawk history. Why have I picked on the Mohawks? Because they are the dominate members of the Six Nations and represent the largest group of the Iroquois Warriors.
Kyle my point with the posting was to show the violent nature of the Mohawk Warriors and that they demonstrate an inability to live with their neighbors. It was like that in the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s and it continues today.
The occupiers of DCE are under the control of the Mohawk Warriors. Try and live next door to the type of individuals described in my previous posting. They have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted.
Also I wanted to demonstrate to those natives on reservations that life in the 1600s and 1700s was actually subsistance living and not very pleasant. Natives today need to think about what conditions were like before Europeans came along.
Finally I wanted to demonstrate that the population numbers of these people that are trying to hold Canada and the United States hostage for their own advantage are actually quite small. It is time for the majority to say enough is enough with the tail wagging the dog.
With the billions of dollars funded to reseverations today it is time for natives on the reserves to stand up and demand from their leaders to explain where the money is going. I have been told by natives on reserves that they are not getting the money.
There is no reason for a native today to enter into society and enjoy a good lifestyle. Under no circumstances are Canada and the United States ever going to allow themselves to be returned to the 1600s and 1700s. It is time for natives who long for the old life to wake up and move into the 21st century.
Reposted for a correction in the last paragraph.
Obviously I got the reaction that I expected. It was a bit surprising that Truthwillcome wasn’t the first to respond. Then again maybe truthwillcome doesn’t really know much about Mohawk history. Why have I picked on the Mohawks? Because they are the dominate members of the Six Nations and represent the largest group of the Iroquois Warriors.
Kyle my point with the posting was to show the violent nature of the Mohawk Warriors and that they demonstrate an inability to live with their neighbors. It was like that in the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s and it continues today.
The occupiers of DCE are under the control of the Mohawk Warriors. Try and live next door to the type of individuals described in my previous posting. They have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted.
Also I wanted to demonstrate to those natives on reservations that life in the 1600s and 1700s was actually subsistance living and not very pleasant. Natives today need to think about what conditions were like before Europeans came along.
Finally I wanted to demonstrate that the population numbers of these people that are trying to hold Canada and the United States hostage for their own advantage are actually quite small. It is time for the majority to say enough is enough with the tail wagging the dog.
With the billions of dollars funded to reseverations today it is time for natives on the reserves to stand up and demand from their leaders to explain where the money is going. I have been told by natives on reserves that they are not getting the money.
There is no reason for a native today not to enter into society and enjoy a good lifestyle. Under no circumstances are Canada and the United States ever going to allow themselves to be returned to the 1600s and 1700s. It is time for natives who long for the old life to wake up and move into the 21st century.
In a recent interview, still on line at the CHML website, J. Fantino, the top OPP cop, said, “No rights are absolute” when asked why raising a Canadian flag in Caledonia was not allowed.
I’m saddened that no one else seems offended by this statement. If the police are free to decide what rights we have, and don’t have, we are living in a police state. Any laws, constitution, or charters are worthless, if this is the case.
This isn’t hearsay, you can hear his statement at approx 2 min into the interview. Very sad, and scary.
Hey Betsy;
I misinterpretted your first post after mine… it appeared to me that you were trying to back up what Truthwillcome was saying with a Mohawk history lesson — and I just couldn’t see the positive side to the text you posted (for the Mohawks anyway). My bad — please accept my humblest appologies. (PS – I like, and agree with, what you have to say in your most recent post!)
Joe H. –> I agree! Fantino hasn’t been on the job a month and he’s already got both feet in his mouth.
Joe H. you shouldn’t be surprised by Fantino’s comment on CHML. He came from the Province into his current position. He would have been properly indoctrinated by Mcstake and his cronies.
He took over a group that has been fully indoctrinated to the ways of the natives by a one week sensitivity course, time in the sweat houses and participation in the long house ceremonies. The Aboriginal Response Team (ART) is run by a native and has several natives as part of its team. The Major Events Liaison Team (MELT)also has been effectively indoctrinated. Also all management of the OPP must be indoctrinated to native ways. This whole organization is corrupted since anyone making decisions is fully indoctrinated to native ways.
The on the ground day to day officers are fed up with the way the OPP has been behaving. They see them creating problems for them that will survive the DCE crisis.
Roy Green was quite outspoken with Fantino about the flag flap. He made it quite clear that a Canadian has the right to raise a flag anywhere on Canadian soil.
On CH television at noon McStake retrenched on his statement that the occupiers of DCE should be off the property by winter. His excuse was that the OPP had advised him to continue to negotiate.
We have now gone full circle. McStake claimed he had no involvement in the OPP but the OPP are giving him advice on how he should proceed. We now have an organization that has demonstrated that it has a clear two tiered approach to policing that protects natives and their crimes advising a government that is paralysed by the fear the criminals may do something that could cause someone to get killed or worse make him look like a fool (oops! he already looks like a fool). Guess they would have to kill someone.
Kyle your sudden ass kissing to betsy exemplifies the ways of your generation thanks for substantiating your true make up, once something fits into your assimilationist mind frame it is ok. You are a true original…not, all hail the status quo and thats what your ranting, pissing and moaning here is really all about I see it time and again except now its money or acceptance. When you figured she was backing me up you just about sh*t but once your brain was able to recieve oxygen after it was expelled from your ass you were able to alleviate the fear that you red necks were experiencing a division in the ranks and you fell back into lock step. As for vaccination on the contrair we would not be having this conversation if you did not bring small pox in the first place, your sires should never have been diddling the livestock. Betsy I was not simply looking at the narrow minded assumption of a single group being conquered as you are probably accustomed to do I believe the statement read the NATIVES not the MOHAWKS must be conquered again so I was dispelling this inbred myth shared amongst your ilk. Try reading The Divided Ground – Alan Taylor to find out how the Mohawks and others had your ancestors shi**ing in their boots before germ warefare and over population became the ace in your fore fathers deceitful hands. MARY M. careful with your stereotyping even though it’s served you well especially where these posts and ignorant society are concerned, it seems as out dated as the redneck rhetoric on this post. If I was to add stereotyping to my post and say oh… that you should just stay on your back and keep marching out the little colonialists by the boat load to ensure white domination is affirmed does that somehow bolster my arguement no I don’t think so neither should it yours. As for the tax payers dollars thats the sytem your masters have set up to ensure their peons continue to realise a heirarchy must be administered to and its the deal the brainiacs made with the First Nations not the other way around to ensure your sorry self rightous asses can continue to make a case for your presence on these lands. As for the Natives they should not have to ask for money made from their lands by way of the peons your governments are the ones who wanted it this way. I think Natives just want most of you to keep your brain washing colonial ideas to the peons’ and serf’s realm and stop encroaching on lands using fabricated policies and laws that applied to peoples and lands over seas and somehow were designed and implied so as to substantiate your continued existence and the bullsh*t you are trying to pull over here. Betsy I am sure the conditions in Europe around 1600 1700 and 1800’s were paradise that’s why you are living here today. I don’t blame you all in trying so hard to make a case for yourselves given the fact that you really don’t have pot to sh*t on when it comes to having lands where you can truly say that you were the first occupants, hell you can’t even claim a stake in Europe since they too disowned you so I guess I can see your point when you try so hard to make any kind of arguement, fabricated and all, to try and sell your idea to others as well as yourselves that you really have an original place from which you belong. Hell I’ll even help you out by retracting my original statement and replace it with You can’t be first but you can be next.
Sheeese!!!
TWC, you talk about rednecks?!?!?
Have you ever listened to yourself?????
Well Truthwillcome the truth is now flowing fast and furious. You are demonstrating your hatred and racist views of everyone not born the same race as you. You might want to study the history of the world and find that people have conquered people all over the world for as long as history has existed.
As with all people you also are not indigenous to this land. At one time your people also came to this land from somewhere else. Very possibly from the same place many current Canadians anscetors came from.
There is no part of this earth that is the permanent domain of any one of us. We are here temporarily and the land continues.
Your people talk about 200 years of oppression. In the big picture of the world that is a very short period of time. The British peoples were conquered by the Romans. Jews were conquered by the Romans. Europe was conquered several times by different dictators. The Americas were conquered by the Spanish, the French, the Dutch, the British. Shall I go on.
By the late 1700s native peoples in this country were all but wiped out. The Europeans could have totally wiped out your race had they seen fit to do so but they took pity on your sorry asses and helped you survive.
Based on your hatred and racist views toward anything non-native that was likely the biggest mistake Europeans ever made. Today we live with that mistake.
Truthwillcome is a good name for your bloggin entries because if you and your people continue to agitate the Canadians of today you may find you have bitten off far more than you can chew.
And by the way in Canadian society women are far more than baby machines. Women of Canadian society stand beside their men and will defend their land like the men. We don’t depend on some egotistical warrior to defend us.
What Caledonia and Canada needs, IMO:
-Kick the pansy-waisted politicians out of office.
-Fire the inept and corrupted police officers who refuse to uphold the law.
-Charge the thugs with breaking the laws, and imprison them where found guilty.
What this country does not need is smarmy, weak-kneed leadership and law enforcement who give in to intimidation and bullying by THUGS, regardless of race, creed, or color.
A thug is a thug is a thug!
Betsy just like I said before, rather than give everyone a salvaged history lesson I will reiterate, you can’t be first but you can be next. As for the feeble threats bring it on the sound of your key board has me worried. When the first explorers came over the dumb bastards about starved and froze, rather than kick their asses the Natives back then fed them and nurtured their plundering asses back to health and that was the biggest mistake. On the point of racism have you tried reading your posts with your blinders off. If your idea of wiping out a race by disease and infringement by over population is your idea of a noble victory than that sums up your mentality, win at any cost. The more you post the more it reveals about your logic and substatiates my points, hell I don’t even have to post I just let you ramble on and you make my arguement for me, sounds good. It wasn’t 200 years try five hundred and counting. Quit getting your facts from salvaged information and try experiencing life outside of your bubble. As for the ideas you are once again trying to force on others I wasn’t implying women were baby machines as we all know they are much more, I was showing how stereotypes are merely designed to get a rise out of the opposing side and you helped me demonstrate that perfectly, thanks again, see how your people’s tactics are utilised? You should because your response is evidence you have now experienced it first hand, lesson learned?…no?..oh well. Nice racial epithet at the end there, again thanks for demonstrating your, do what I say not what I do mentality, silly me why do I even post you do a well enough job as aggressor and defender, split personality maybe? I don’t know but you go girl. Welcome to the world outside of your bubble is it your first time? Seems to me it is.
Truthwillcome your tone has changed. Are you becoming weak? Might you have a soul after all?
I think not.
As I said previously all civilizations have come and gone in the world. Yours became irrelevant when Europeans gained control of the Americas. A new society has become the predominant society in the Americas and you to come to terms with that reality. You cannot resurrect life in the 1700s. You either become part of the 21st century society or become doomed. Canadian Society made room for two solitudes in creating this country. That was out of respect for your people. Based on what I hear from you and others like you it appears there is no longer any room for two solitudes.
Your people speak about the Europeans in their ships sailing along side of your long boats. That ended 200 years ago. The only ships sailing in North America today are those of Canada and the United States. Contrary to your belief these are not the ships of 200 year old British, French, Dutch and Spanish conquerors but modern ships of new societies that owe nothing to the old world. Modern Canada and the United States should not feel bound by commitments and errors of Europeans of 200 years ago just like you’re people of today cannot expect to speak for your ancestors. The ships of today are those of Canada and the United States. You need to get on these ships.
Canadian Society welcomes everyone to be a part of their society but Canadian Society will not step aside to allow racist, narrow minded individuals to take advantage of Canadian goodwill. There will be a point in time when Canadians will say enough is enough and yes the 33 Million residents of this country will no longer tolerate the nonsense fed them by you and those like you. I’m sure a good number of your own people are tired of your type of rhetoric.
You are a racist, a bully, and your bubble is so big you don’t realize that there is another world outside your bubble. The world is passing you by as you hide in your bubble. Peek outside your bubble you may enjoy the world around you.
Oppressed for 500 years — what a laugh. You’ve been so hard done by. Man, you want to talk about a race being oppressed? You’re lucky you weren’t African-American/Canadian a couple hundred years ago. Talk about a race being treated poorly. But you know what? Even they dealt with it and have integrated into modern society. Sure, they may be pissed at the way their ancestors were treated, and rightly so, but you don’t hear them screaming oppression and wanting compensation, do you?
We should kick your sorry asses out and bring in some of the people that are living on $0.40 a day in third-world countries (that’s fourty-cents a day… not a fourty-pounder a day) — I’m sure they will APPRECIATE what they have been given.
And you are correct, we can’t be first — and we really don’t need to be. The point is moote if you are the dominent one. Imagine you’re standing in line at Tim Hortons and I’m behind you (if it helps, you can use the Liquor Store) — it really doesn’t matter that you’re first in line if I kick your ass and take your spot, does it?
As for your comment “Win at any cost” — the answer is “Yes”. Ever heard the saying “Everything is fair in love and war”. We WILL win — at any cost.
I have MANY friends from just about every nationality — including North-American Indians (yes, that is how they think of themselves — as “North-Americans”, not “Natives”). However, the friends that I know have tried very hard to distance themselves from your type of “left-wing” thinking and have made the effort to integrate themselves into society — they ask for nothing they didn’t earn. And yes, Betsy, you should hear some of the things they (North-American Indians) say, and some of the names they call their own — but I won’t repeat them here (I don’t expect Truthwillcome would believe me anyway!).
I, previously, had no problems with natives — and I really shouln’t now. I know that there are radicals in every race, and the race shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of a few whackos — but that’s hard to do when every time a discussion comes up, you guys flip out the oppression card (to name one) and turn this into a race against race issue. At the initial onset of your “fight” to reclaim lands you believe to be yours, I had no problems with it. When you started being the “sterotypical Indian”, and the OPP uniform started sporting a yellow stripe is when I started having problems with it. Initally, my fight was with the OPP alone. You have turned it into a race against race issue once again — I’m happy to play your game.
As Betsy has already stated, the people of Canada are tiring… very fast. If you’re looking for a Civil War, you’re heading in the right direction.
MERRY CHRISTMAS! 😀