Reuters is reporting that “Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a ‘fierce response’”.
background
(*math corrected).
Reuters is reporting that “Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a ‘fierce response’”.
background
(*math corrected).
Maybe we should be less worried about whose war it is and how we’re going to solve this. It’s serious business.
well, luckily the cold war is over and those sharply defined positions no longer exist or this could REALLY boil over.
I support Israel wholeheartedly. Yet, it worries me that this indescript strip of desert may very well be the place where WWWIII starts.
The day of reckoning will come as it alwas does, regardless of Mr Carter and others of his ilk.
What was that about those who don’t know their history?
Ahmadinejad was one of the “student protestors” at the center of the seizure of the US embassy. A well placed bomb at the time might have rendered him so much granular material in the dustbin of history…
Of course, on the other hand, we might not have seen Reagan and the end of the Evil Empire.
But one should never forget the wages of paralysis and appeasement when dealing with this terrorist death cult.
So…am I the only one to notice that the people of the “religion of peace” have pretty much been at war for what?…1000yrs now with someone or another. Am I the only one getting sick of them talking trash, and running around throwing sucker punches? Sooner or later the mouthy little weasel in the schoolyard needs to be pounded into the ground.
These guys are nothing but a bunch of impotent cowards that get off killing innocent people, running for cover and acting tough. They have the pschyological profile of a woman hating rapist. The only way they can feel good about themselves is to wield power over someone who has no chance of fighting back. Come to think of it where was Marc Lepine (Gamil Garbi?) from?
I for one would not be the least bit sorry if Israel and the USA turned the whole area into a parking lot.
It seems like the region has forgotten the lessons of June 1967.
Israel needs some more room to stretch her legs…
Of course now “Bad-mood” Ahmadinejad has tipped his hand and confirmed that he is using Syria as a conduit for materiel support of Hezbollah.
The point is, as several have said, including kate and Captains Quarters, is that Iran is behind the whole flare-up.
Iran wants war; it’s been trying to get the west to attack it for some time. Threats of its nuclear capability, holocaust denial and taunts, it and Syria were behind the Danish cartoon riots. On and on. And, they are behind the insurgents in Iraq. Iran wants war. And, they have deliberately provoked Israel into this situation.
That’s what I find puzzling. I can understand Iran wanting war as a rhetorical ‘cloak’ to self-define itself as The Superman of the ME. But I can’t understand its actually wanting to be in a war. And, apart from Syria – who are its allies? How do Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Iraq feel about all of this?
i support Israel 100%. YOU CAN DO IT
Unfortunately there are 130,000 troops, and unimaginable other equipment, tied up in a rather important job.
This is all rather ugly. the israeli’s will kick a major amount of ass, likely required.
However Gulliver is rather tied up for the moment. If it starts it is going to get very big.
Lets hope the one two punch to the nose causes Hesbo/Hamas/Rev Guard/Syrians to back down.
Most interestingly the Saudi’s have blamed Hesbo! The saudi’s talk about the arab world while i’m dead in a jihad talks of the Muslim world (not being arab he cant talk like the saudi’s). There will be a civil war in the ME Muslim world, there already is…….
The Sauds and Wahabbis are in full flight from disputes with the west. Their wealth is at risk. Al Qaida exists in name only. Jordan and Egypt depend on the west and are (at least Jordan is) moderate. The Syrians are cowed.
It’s Iran. Again.
Jimmy C, if he had had a brain with that famous compassionate heart, coulda won it 30 years ago.
Great comments to this post.
The ME is a cesspool of their own making. Whatever the Israelis have to do, so be it. For how long would the US or Canada accept missiles lobed into their heartland with no consequences?
Only the self-loathing and morally ravished left knows, have lived on the front line of Islamofascists while the rest of us have gotten a good nights sleep.
would equivocate in taking action.
Syria, always the games player, ought to be burned to a crisp. And Iran, without the thuggery and bluff of a nuclear weapon, ought to be pounded into salt by the Israelis who, God
Jimmy Carter, a man of no moral principle, America’s worst president, friend of Castro and endorser of every rotten LA election(Chavez, gag) is an idiot. He’s our Trudeau, an insufferable twit.
God bless Israel’s military tonight. They bear the brunt of a task too many Americans, especially the left, are too cowardly to engage in.
amen penny, it’s always been MHO that if one was to look for WMD then Syria is the obvious starting point..
A “fiery response,” eh?
Ahmadinejad has .no. .idea. what he’s up against.
Well, it comes as no surprise (to me) that PMSH has spoken up with Canada’s views that Israel is defending itself. this via Reuters…
3double ewes .alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13819332.htm
Surprisingly nothing from CBC.
this just in from the CBC… hopefully this will clarify for Canadians just what this is all about…
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/middleeast/hezbollah.html
CBCpravda , catatonic ,
A) scared to say something bad about Arabs
B) dont want to report something that goes against their new boss -Stephen Harper because their funding getting cut off soon.
C) Trona goes off work at 4pm and the union boys dont want to run a 24 hr. website for more than 7.5hrs a day. they havent updated for hours.
D) lactating mothers and midwives dont support whatever they may report on .
the horror , the horror.
Why would Iran go to war?
Chaos theory, Mahdi style. …-
Inside Iran: Signs of the Apocalypse.
Excerpt:
Ahmadinejad is reportedly tied to a radical Islamic society in Iran that believes man can hasten the appearance of the Mahdi by creating chaos in the world.
Ahmadinejad has stated that this chaos must take place before the Mahdi can come on the scene.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665365/posts
Sir Winston Churchill, in his young days, came to know much about the Mahdi:
Churchill, Winston S.: The River War,Conservative,Book Club,Reagan,Homeschool,Human … He recounts the rise of the Mahdi, the defeat of Gordon at Khartoum, …
http://www.forbesbookclub.com/bookpage.asp?prod_cd=IV313 – 17k –
From Kate’s wikipedia link:
“The Canadian parliament, in 1979, held a secret session for the first time since World War II in order to pass special legislation allowing Canadian passports to be issued to some American citizens in order to allow the Canadian government to help six American diplomats escape”
Could you imaging the anti-Americans in Martin’s or Chretien’s cabinet doing this today?
Somehow I lost pieces of my post. My fault. But, back on topic, we owe Israel a debt of gratitude for their lack of surrender over the decades.
Good and decent people, appalled by the Islamofascist, have but one communal prayer that Israel’s endeavors succeed and that the Dems never retake the White House.
We will never know peace until these bastards are destroyed everywhere they exist.
Surprisingly nothing from CBC.
Or all of the lefty, hate Israel, press that are the purveyors of news on this planet. I don’t even look anymore.
We shall see what the next 48 hours brings. Syria likes to play silly buggers but they dont want a war. They are the fulcrum. Assad may decide this is a game he doesnt want to play. I believe he thought he was just poking sticks in the cage….oops….
The next question is can Israel sustain it, and will Egypt and Saudi essentially tell everyone to cool it, will anyone listen. If Iran is angling for leadership they may find there will be others who do not want to see their leadership extended.
Remember there is another wildcard in this, Turkey. Ally of israel, no friend of Syria’s….Syria is the most vulnerable.
However, there is one more nightmare scenario that fits with I’m Dead in A Jihad’s comments. A broader war unites the Muslim population….I dont think that is the plan, because I dont think there is a plan…too destructive to contemplate
I would urge that Israel ban all foreign reporters and do whatever they have to do to end this mess. Not once did our media truly show the waves of rockets and killings by these terrorists . It is very difficult to understand how the Israeli people have showed so much restraint.
Israel 100%
They are the good guys.
It isnt a hockey game….
Crazy people with crazy ideas and lots of munitions. Never a recipie for anything positive.
Syria is the key, need to put the knife close enough to assad without actually doing him in. Someone needs to let him know he is not being a very smart man, for the sake of his people, his family and his own well being.
The syrian Baathists are largely secular and the Assad family is from some obscure sect of Islam that isnt particularly liked by some of the big sects. While I wouldnt call Assad pro western he is westernized.
What is his interest here? Is it some larger play to maintain influence in Lebanon, a state many syrians consider a lost appendage….and certainly one Syria would like to keep as a client state for security purposes.
I really think Assad has miscalculated and Israel will push to see if they can get Syrian AND Iranian influence pushed back out of Lebanon.
I dont see what Syria will gain in letting it get to a showdown with Iran. Any thoughts from others?
Three thousand years after Asaph penned this prayer, Israel faces the same enemies.
Stand with Israel. …-
Prayer for Israel Thread: Psalm 83
Jewish Virtual Library ^ | 1000 BCE | Asaph
A Song, a Psalm of Asaph.
O G-d, keep not Thou silence; hold not Thy peace, and be not still, O G-d.
For, lo, Thine enemies are in an uproar; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head.
They hold crafty converse against Thy people, and take counsel against Thy treasured ones.
They have said: ‘Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.’
For they have consulted together with one consent; against Thee do they make a covenant;
The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;
Assyria also is joined with them; they have been an arm to the children of Lot. Selah … more
free republic
SCOC changes political corruption definition
By JIM BROWN
OTTAWA (CP) – The Supreme Court of Canada, saying there’s a difference between being unethical and being a criminal, has tightened the legal rules to make it tougher to convict politicians and public servants of breach of trust.
Sorry to pull a maz but I think this is important.
Now anyone that has a government job has total immunity.
Stephen, if indeed the Muslim world unites in the event of a major shooting war starting from this, the likely result may be the extermination of either the Muslim or Western populations. There would/could be no stopping.
melwilde makes an excellent point:
Not once did our media truly show the waves of rockets and killings by these terrorists . It is very difficult to understand how the Israeli people have showed so much restraint.
I had been thinking exactly this over the last 2-3 days. MSM didn’t really cover the Gaza rockets (500+) but of course covers the Israeli action as aggression not correctly as justifiable response. Reminds me of my daughter’s anger a few years ago about Israelis “just going in and bulldozing peoples’ home”. No context from MSM.
I was 18 in 1967 and remember that summer war like it was yesterday and remember well how the whole western world was 105% behind Israel, the heroic country that could. Still bewildered by the about face vis a vis that heroic nation.
What a bloody relief to have a PM who gets it. I never thought I’d ever see the day!
Smash the cowardly fu**ers.
I’m behind Isreal 100% also — and so it appears is our government.
Any ground Israel has ever ceded has been used as a launching pad against them, so they just need to keep fighting, I guess.
There’s been talk here and elsewhere that the Arab Muslim world might unite in military action, but it won’t happen; the steam of the Arab “street” doesn’t have a lot of concentrated force, it’s more like a large, hot frying pan with a quarter-inch of water in it — not a good place for Israel to be in the middle of, to be sure, but even if armies representing Syria or Iran were to gather their forces to initiate a serious measure of military force against Israel, they would regret it in short order.
BTW it was great to see Prime Minister Harper being so unequivocal in stating the plain truth — that this recent conflict is not the fault of Israel, but is caused those who lob shells across the border at them.
Do catch Boagsie’s (he’s travelling with the PM!) rattled-looking take on the PM’s statement, at about twenty minutes past the hour on The National. Wow. That Senate seat is slipping from his grasp, it’s almost painful to watch.
Its about time. After evicting its own people to have peace . This now being used against them as any idiot knew at the time.
Giving back land, now used to fire missiles at them. From a government in hiding , run by terrorists. In a demy nation populated on average, by 15 to 16 year olds.
Most involved in a Kool-Aid cult of death, including there Mothers.
If any Nation on Earth has a right to protect itself from these, & its brothers in hate, its Israel. I am with them all the way.
Thirty years of a peace process one sided has yielded nothing but more strife. Time for a clean sweep.
ET; The element your missing is Religion. The guy running Iran thinks he’s the Elijah of the twelfth Imam. Believe it. Hitler believed every word he wrote. Don’t doubt this nut .
Nor the power of religion. Like the moon bats. Most of the Planet believes in the divine. Only the West thinks this world is the real one. to 70% of the worlds living people, this is the shadow lands.
well folks, Jimmy’s been out of the loop for some time now. I dont think its applicable to drop this in his lap. if you disagree then I blame dwight eisenhauer, ya, Ike did it.
my money is on Israel.
here’s a factoid to consider:
Canada and Israel are the only 2 nations in existence today (3rd world basket cases dont count), let me rephrase that, Canukistan and Israel are the only 2 modern democracies today that have NEVER LOST ANY WAR THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
howcum?
we fight for the correct reasons: self defense and the liberty of others. (guess which reason applies to which nation)
outfits like the perennial neutral switzerland dont count.
britain has lost wars in its 1,000 years of history, every european country, americans lost vietnam war.
only 2, a very exclusive club.
I remember 1979 parliament. joe clark a.k.a. joke lark pleaded with monsieur turdeau not to press the matter of goings on w cdn embassy in iran. (turdeau had been TOLD the whole story). but his majesty emperor turdeau pressed for ‘answers’ knowing they would not come thus embarassing the clark regime and discrediting the itsy bitsy minority-of-one conservatives.
my hope, and its just that at this point, is that the Israelis pull some astonishingly effective hand held weapon out of their kit bag and kill hundreds of hezbolla. one upmanship in the real world.
anybody want to call the Israeli consulate in tranna and express your support?
416-640-8500 between 10 am & 1 pm.
count me in.
Thanks, Texas Canuck, for that Reuters report on Prime Minister Harper’s comments. As EBD noted, “…great to see Prime Minister Harper being so unequivocal in stating the plain truth”. For those of you who missed it, here are the main grafs…
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LONDON, July 13 (Reuters) – Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Thursday endorsed Israel’s incursion into Lebanon and strikes on Gaza as measured self-defence.
“Israel has a right to defend itself,” he told reporters on his plane en route to a visit to Britain and the summit in Russia of the Group of Eight (G8) top industrialised nations.
“I think Israel’s response under the circumstances has been measured,” he said when asked if the attacks on Lebanon and Gaza were disproportionate.
[…] Harper’s remarks were striking in their absence of criticism of Israel beyond a general expression of concern “about the escalation of violence in the Middle East”.
“I think it’s tremendously disappointing that these attacks are coming from areas (Lebanon and Gaza) that Israel voluntarily evacuated, and so I think the onus to end this escalation is on the other side,” Harper said.
In remarks that appeared to be addressed to Syria and Iran, he said: “Any countries in that area that have influence on these organisations (Hizbollah and Hamas) should urge an end to violence and recognise and encourage the recognition of Israel’s right to exist.”
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Perhaps Canadians should be doing more than making phone calls to lend support.
How fast can we get an AOR an FFH and two DDH’s into the Med?
We’ve pulled those Ruskies up by their bootstraps. They played the cold war with cold feet and they knew we knew it. Time to play for real or sit this one out on the sidelines. Oh… and recall the Canadian ambassador to France too. World powers my ass.
’bout time for Canada to grow a pair.
Reality check…
Much as I feel that Israel is in the right, there is little it can do other than bomb the crap out of it’s misbehaving neigbours and wait for them to rebuild (then “repeat if necessary”). It does not have enough people to occupy these countries, and it will only go nuclear as a last resort because no one likes to live next to a nuclear waste site.
The US won’t be of much use since it’s bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, and as a good example: several years, massive bombing and then occupation by several hundred thousand troops and these countries still aren’t secure.
Regardless of what all the armchair generals here may think, the solution to this problem is far from simple.
To generalize,IMO, most of the ME has been seeking to bring the world into conflict via Israel for sometime.
That Israel has not been more aggressive in her self defence despite gross terrorist aggression has always surprised me.
To be blunt Israel demontrated it could literally kick the shit out of its aggressive neighbours in 1967.
Yet despite this and decades of what I think has been over-reaching diplomacy in efforts to placate attackers who have no interest in anything but the eradication of Israel, and the resultant Infatatada, Israel has largley restrained itself.
How are recent attackes any worse than those that came before? Why now is Israel taking off the gloves?
Canada once was a major military and moral presence in the world. Along with the USA, Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand, we were a part of a great force of good in the world. And I think that (pre ’68) history shows that Canada, to use a well worn cliche, punched well above its weight both militarily and in the sway she held in world affairs as a result.
At about the same time that Israel was defending herself and winning the 1967 war, Canada was electing (in 1968) a new Prime Minister – Pierre Trudeau.
Trudeau,the Liberal Party of Canada and subsequent Liberal Prime Ministers have sought to destroy our ties with not only our own history, but also the ties with our traditional and historic allies – the USA, G.B. Australia and N.Z.
That they were successful is an understatement.
9/11 has largely caused a coalescence of what I believe have been the above mentioned powers of good in the world.
The missing country has been Canada. The Chretien/Martin governments have been realigning Canada against her traditional allies by bastardizing our pre 1968 reputation to their own means.
I think that despite our diminishing role in the world that Canada has still had some sway based on our past, and that that sway has been largely used (see Chretien/Martin)to cuckold our traditional allies in the modern world, particularly in the Israel/Palestine situation.
My thought is that the anti-Israeli, Anti-American forces in the world no longer have Canada on their side as a result of our new PM and as such perhaps Canadas new found re-allignment with our traditions and traditional allies has/is created a shift in power and world opinion that has enabled Israel to now react in the fashion it did 40 years ago.
I hope that I am right because the world is going to need the kind of axis of good that existed in WWI and WWII and Canada was a huge part of that.
The rulers of Saudi Arabia are well aware of Iran’s involvement in the 1979 Grand Mosque takeover in Makkah, and they know only too well that Iran believes it should be in control of Islam’s two holiest cities, Makkah and Madinah. (both being, of course, in Saudi).
This played a part in Saudi’s backing of Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war, and is why the Saudis will attempt to distance themselves from anything that might increase Iran’s influence.
just read through all of CBCpravdas description of hesbollah.
note that it makes no reference to the canadian government today but it does say that uberhomo Bill Graham (liberal) thinks that part of hesbollah is a charitable organization.
SHPM can the CBC!!!
But…but….the Hell’s Angels do ‘charity runs’….they can’t possibly be drug dealing, murdering criminals!!
Once again we have international hand-wringers
worred that “war may break out” !! and that
we “must not destabilize the mid Eaast”, etc.
i.e. a continuation of what is a terrible
situation.
Well, maybe it’s time to take on Syria and Iran,
which are the next two in line and they are
begging for it.
Wimpy C said: “Once again we have international hand-wringers worred that “war may break out” !! and that we “must not destabilize the mid East”
Too bad hand wringers; but if you haven’t noticed the place has been a cess pit of conflict for years. When was the mid East ever stable?
Kieth Boag of CBC was almost apoplectic as he reported that PM Stephen Harper said Israel had a right to defend itself against naked agression.
Gee fusilades of Katusha rockets, 3 kidnapped soldiers and 8 dead soldiers somehow doesn’t qualify as self defence. Well heavens Hamas and Hezbollah in Gaza and Lebanon had a choice, leave the rockets in their canisters and leave the Israeli soldiers on their side of the border. Well if you say that you are the sovereign authority over Gaza, then you get a violation of sovereign authority response when you unleash +500 rockets.
Security of the person only counts when it is in favour of Hamas or Hezbollah. Nice try, but no sale. Brilliant plan, Israel withdraws from Gaza and Lebanon unilaterally and the Palestinians and Hezbollah use it as a launching pad for rocketry.
Yep, yessiree this is how you underscore the legitimacy of your cause.
Then the Hezbollah geniuses announce they are going to send the Israeli captives to Iran. Talk about reaching for the heights of stupidity. Now you are going to openly state to the world that you are merely a destabilizing proxy for Iranian
mischief. Congratulations on severely overplaying your hand. When the dust from the Israeli artillery howitzers settles let us know how the vintners are going to pick their crops.
כל הכבוד לצהל
What Hezbollah did is an act of war. Israel is in the right, as usual. These Muslim bastards have been itching for a showdown for a long time. Negotiation and appeasement will not work. Unfortunately, after so many decades of neo-liberalism in the west, all out war seems to be the only remedy to end their terrorism and the Islamic disporia. Even if that means internment camps and expulsion back to the hell hole they came from. The world does not belong to their devil god Allah. The desert does.
all you warmongers, just remember, next time it will be your children that are slaughtered in their sleep. how will you feel about comments on a blog that state these people deserve it?
where is the humanity?
kate, i have to say what was once a forum of intelligent discourse has degenerated into nothing more than the expression.
Congratulations.
PM Harper’s comments make me proud to be a Canadian. His words were straightforward, direct and true.
On this subject Harper is right and Israel is right. I hope to God that no one else has to die in this mess, but Israel has to defend itself against these thugs, and if it means attacking them where they live then so be it.
andrew said: “all you warmongers, just remember, next time it will be your children that are slaughtered in their sleep. how will you feel about comments on a blog that state these people deserve it?
where is the humanity”?
Good on yer andrew…..you tell those murdering Hamas/Hezbollah terrorists where they get off!!
” AOR an FFH and two DDH’s ”
these new pop music groups or sumptin ???
anybody know what these are ???
LOL !!! that stands for ‘laugh out loud’
phone calls are merely the preliminary first initial step.
Vatican Condemns Israel
Atlas has a good roundup of reactions to the Middle East crisis from mostly feckless world leaders: ‘You are Either With Us Or Against Us.’
A big LGF thank you to Canada and Australia, for standing with the good guys as always.
But unfortunately, a big LGF lizardoid hiss of disappointment at the statement from the Vatican: Vatican condemns Israel for attacks on Lebanon.
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – The Vatican on Friday strongly deplored Israel’s strikes on Lebanon, saying they were “an attack” on a sovereign and free nation …-
LGF
maz2: Did you think the Vatican was going issue a statement suggesting they pound Lebanon into the hereafter?
The Vatican is in the soul business, if one is dead one has no chance for change. Their concern it appears are those caught in the crossfire, namely civilians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You didn’t really think that a sabre rattling “Crusader” type endorsement was coming, given past millenia history?
Secondly, the Vatican has been highly critical of the fact that certain parties aren’t even serious about attempting a peaceful solution. In short, certain parties have not even entertained the thought of good faith bargaining.
“The right of defence on the part of a state does not exempt it from its responsibility to respect international law, particularly regarding the safeguarding of civilian populations,”
Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano said Pope Benedict and his aides were very worried that the developments in the Middle East risked degenerating into “a conflict with international repercussions.”
In other words they don’t want a disproportionate response to the aggression that has taken place and that it should not spill over into a wider regional war given the pot is already boiling in Iraq and Afghanistan with recent destabilizing events in India and Pakistan.
Lastly, JC gets the final word:
Matthew 10:16
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.”
I would say the Vatican is just doing its spiritual job; by suggesting don’t let this thing get entirely out of hand. Hardly an inappropriate response given the stakes involved.