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At Mildred (near Spiritwood) while investigating a complaint about an assault. The suspect, Curtis Alfred Dagenais, 41, is still on the loose. Tracking dogs and the SWAT team have been called in.
The officers are in hospital in Saskatoon, and have undergone “extensive” surgery for their wounds.
4 pm local time: CKOM. com reports that the manhunt is continuing south of Mildred, with farm residents south of the highway being advised to leave the area for their own safety.
From the comments a sad reminder from reader Trent of the “Shell Lake Murders”;
About five miles, or less, east of Mildred is the Peterson farm. On August 15th 1967 nine members of the Peterson family were shot and killed in their home by Victor Hoffman, a random stranger
Sunday morning update: More police, and even conservation officers, have joined in the manhunt. (The region has areas of heavy bush). There’s been no change in the status of the injured RCMP officers, reported to be in serious condition.
More on the suspect, via CKOM Radio – the suspect allegedly had a history of being a “loner”. (It was anecdotally reported that after the Mayerthorpe murders, Curt Dagenais’ name was raised by locals as another potential James Roszko. No information on past criminal history seems to be available yet, however.) The suspect’s earlier life history includes alleged abused by both parents. It’s reported that after moving to work in the oil patch in the Lloydminster area, the incident was sparked when he returned home in the belief that he was to take over the family farm. When he was informed that this was not going to happen, he allegedly went into a rage in his sister’s home, breaking windows and threatening family members. RCMP were called and followed his vehicle for about 15 km before it was disabled, (No details on how that happened). At that point shots were fired and the first two officers hit. The third officer on the scene was in another cruiser, and she returned fire. It’s not know if Dagenais was hit. He’s still on the loose.
That the police officers are still listed in serious condition is a good sign, as it indicates that they remain stable after their surgery.
If they catch him he will be out in the community again before we know it. If this is an updated police photo does that mean he is known to the police from previous crimes?
Who in their right mind would want to be a policeman? They are nothing more than targets for this kind of garbage. And our Injustice System will see that he gets the best treatment while our police will have to go through an internal investigation because they used their weapons! Thank God for the gun registry, eh?
I opened the website just now and had to stop and call home to make sure my brothers (both RCMP officers) were not involved. At times like this I wish SK was in the US so they could just track him down and shoot the bastard.
If they catch him, he will be dead or in jail until trial: they will throw away the key if he’s convicted, and rightly so.
Mildred is West of PA, not East.
The gun registry is a waste of resources.
Policing has always been dangerous, always will be: most do it knowing the risks, and they do it because they are brave and honourable: my thoughts and prayers are with them.
Bushman said it for me.
HANG HIM FROM A TREE BY THE NECK TILL HE IS DEAD AND SCREW AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
My thoughts and prayers are with the two officers and their families.
It’s sad to see sleepy little towns lose their charm and innocence to guys like this and the effects of drugs such as meth and related criminal activity.
Really now,that seems kind of harsh.
Think theres any chance it might work..?
I prefer they find him dead of self-inflicted gunshot wound, actually. Save everyone a lot of trouble and expense, while preventing further injury.
Kate,
I don’t violate your site with my usual language because you are a lady. However, consider it done here against the justice system, the parole board, the courts, the gun registry, the public attitude towards crime, etc. I could go on and on.
May our brave Mounties recover soon!
That was my thought too Kate, however I want whatever these officers and their families want.
Hang him by his mullet
I sincerely hope Mr. Dagenais does NOT commit suicide. That makes it too easy for the liberals to blame the “gun culture”, his unfortunate childhood, dire circumstances, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
Now lets see the prosecutors call for an appropriate sentence ( hanging would be best, but…not in Canada…Pity!), at least life with no parole for 25 years. And let’s see the judge “throw the book at him”, as they should.
And when they don’t, that’s when the people of Saskatchewan have to protest, like the Indians at Caledonia, instead of politely writing letters of protest to their MP, which are destined for the round file, anyway.
One of my relatives in the RCMP was murdered on duty, in Saskatchewan, in 1978. The perpetrator was out within ten years.
The “suspect” who was finally nabbed over 6 months later in the Toronto Boxing Day Creba murder is already out on bail! Makes me sick.
I hope the residents have guns, just in case. Too bad leftists believe that only violent scumwads should be allowed to have guns rather than law-abiding citizens whose only real protection is the deterrence of having an equally deadly weapon.
Where’s Dirty Harry now? We need some Dirty Harrys to tell the punks to “Go ahead… make my day”.
Bad guys go around doing as they please, including shooting police officers, because they know they have more protection under the law than innocent folks do.
Our society and state must start taking measures to make it plainly clear that violent criminals will not be tolerated, period.
And I’m not talking about house arrest nor about healing circles. I’m talking about hard time in the hole… like at Alcatraz.
Stuff like this must be said more often.
Well , one thing you can say about the LPC.
They succeeded in creating a Justice system by & for criminals. As the liberals pillaged us , they too where encouraged by soft Judiciaries, to “get there own back” from society.
A whole philosophy was based on these lies. That men are born good. Now we pay for this drug dream, that its society that’s the REAL criminal.
The Murderer, thief, rapist, are all just victims of the horrible Majority of working people in society. That drove them to desperation. Thus we, not they. Are the one’s who deserve punishment.
After all if your a Socialist or liberal you never have to admit to having any morals. Its all relative you know.
If you doubt it. Ask yourself why law abiding citizens always get abused like gun registries& such? Obviously the government does not trust the Public. Has no problem though allowing killers on the street.
My prayers go to the families hurt by another liberal criminal refugee. Who will be let out as fast as possible. I mean to some west hating liberals, a cop killing is like a birthday cake. Or Canadian soldiers dying for there Country. A longing to see them fail if not dead.
We have only ourselves to blame. Allowing Socialist zealots into power. If not letting them take control of this Nation. Look at the results. Poverty, corruption, crime, condensation, being treated like babies, odious taxes, failed education system. People dying from a none functioning health care system based on communism. On & On we could go.
If your looking for a reason, The Lefties are why we have no justice any more. For the citizan or Police.
Can we now finally, seriously, entertain discussion of a Federal Mullet Registry.
Does anyone know the two officers names? And are they okay?
According to canada.com, Marc Bourdages and Robin Cameron and they’re still listed in serious condition. Let’s hope they pull through…
About five miles, or less, east of Mildred is the Peterson farm. On August 15th 1967 nine members of the Peterson family were shot and killed in their home by Victor Hoffman, a random stranger.
It is sad that such a small area has to see so much tragedy.
Having served 30 years in the RCMP, now retired, I have seen way too many of these incidents. I hope to God they pull through. One has to remember, however, that gunshot wounds, even non-fatal, seldom fail to leave lasting consequences. I have a number of friends who were shot and mercifully survived and all have suffered permanent disabilities as a result.
To add insult to injury, three weeks ago in Surrey, BC, two bronze plaques honouring a murdered RCMP Constable that were attached to a bridge in honour of his memory were pried from the bridge…apparently the price of metals these days makes such items attractive to thieves…
Damn…I hate what has happened to our society…
Here’s hoping that the two officer recover fully. I agree Bruce, our society really seems to have deteriorated.
Does anyone care to guess how many times this guy has been picked up and charged by the RCMP prior to this, only to be released back into society with little or no jail time served.
I’ll wager that if the Libranos had spent 2 or 3 billion dollars building some new jails for creeps like this it would have been fairly easy to keep him locked up and away from the law abiding public. As an added benefit, if these creeps were kept locked up to begin with, police would be able to look after “fresh” criminals instead of having to arrest and deal with the same dudes over and over again.
Just my 2 cents.
My brother came over this evening and we were discussing the shootings. My brother reminded me that we both know Curt Dagenais. I haven’t seen him since 1992 when I bumped into him on a job-site in Alberta. Curt never seemed dangerous at all, quite the opposite in fact, a peace, easy going fellow, but,(there is always a but) I do remember he enjoyed his Jack Layton Cigarettes and other pharmaceuticals.
Oh yeah, Curt also ALWAYS had a mullet.
………i only wish they had got a warrant instead of chasing after him.All the ingredients were there:- They knew who he is, and what he had done,where it took place, and the time it happened. Was it worth getting shot trying to catch him? Lets just hope they pull through.
Art:
What on earth difference would getting a warrant have made? He was alleged to have committed an indictable offence, which makes him arrestable without warrant. Getting a warrant to arrest him would have resulted in what? An attempt to arrest him. With presumably the same result.
This type of police action, arresting people, occurs countless times daily…this is what police do. And, tragically, once in a while, they get injured or killed in the process.
..backing off and getting a warrant would have meant they wouldn’t have got shot !!!!!Even a summons might have sufficed. Sounds like he wasnt going anywhere. What was the nature of the assualt?
“backing off and getting a warrant would have meant they wouldn’t have got shot…Even a summons might have sufficed”
And if he had shot someone else in the interim? And who serves the summons, the post man?
The attendance of three RCMP members in rural Saskatchewan to a complaint indicates that the nature of the complaint was serious.
Using your logic, the police would never arrest anyone, on the basis that it would be too dangerous to have personal contact with a suspect. Not very practical…
..thats what the ERT team is for……..
Look Art,
The initial call is reported to have been a complaint of a disturbance at a residence involving an assault. The police attend such matters every single day. Their purpose is to intervene, separate the disputing parties and take any appropriate enforcement action as required. The shooter was still at the residence when the police arrived. Upon their arrival he took off in his car, the chase ensued and then the shooting occurred.
“..thats what the ERT team is for……..”
There are, I believe, two ERTs in Sask, one based in Regina and one in Saskatoon. Since they are volunteers whose regular jobs involve other duties, it takes some time to assemble them.
Under your theory, nearly every call of domestic violence would entail deploying the ERT. Don’t think so.
Here’s a suggestion: Contact your local police force/RCMP detachment and volunteer to go out one night on their “Ride Along” program. I promise you will find it enlightening, and you may get a better idea of what these folks actually have to deal with on a day to day basis.
Just what this thread needs is Art discussing tactics he knows nothing about. Hindsight is always 20/20. Those officers had to make split second decisions while you get to sit in your cozy home and second guess them.
What they did was what needed to be done. They have training and experience, but that can’t account for every possibility. It seems like a lot of the time the police just can’t win because everyone else is an armchair expert in what police do.
Instead of second guessing them you should be proud there are Canadians out there willing to do what is required. I hope with all my heart they pull through this and that the bastard that did it is caught quickly.
Nicely put, Angry….thanks…
….of course hindsight is 20/20..but maybe discussing this might prevent it happening again.In training are recruits not told “never chase an armed man..especially if you know who he is”.The ERT tem is fully qualified, and can get about reasonably quickly.The idea is to prevent RCMP deaths ..not envcourage them. And, Angry Canadian, I speak from experience..like Bruce.And we know the public expects the Mountie to get his man…but at what cost? ERT teams were formed specifically for situations such as this.
Art…you speak from experience???
I was in the RCMP for nearly 30 years. Judging from your comments, my experience was considerably different from yours…
Not meant as a criticism, just an observation.
..the difference might be Bruce….when did you retire!!
Don’t worry Bruce, there’s an “art” in every crowd. I’m sure the events leading up to the shooting were circumstancial. These disputes or what have you occur all-of-the-time…EVEN in smalltown Sask! The RCMP get a dispatch call, and respond. Citizens weren’t harmed S-wood, because RCMP staff were doing their jobs!!! And to hell with “hindsight”, my heart is with those officers! Their comrades will catch the piece of garbage!
almost 9 years ago, but you know what Art, in light of the fact that there are two fallen members fighting for their lives at the moment, maybe this is not the right time or forum for this particular discussion….agree?
Feel free to email me at solutions@dccnet.com
So Art from your experience how long would it have taken an ERT team to respond to Mildred, Saskatchewan ? Also would the supervisors of Marc Bourdages and Robin Cameron authorized and paid for the call out of an ERT team from Saskatoon for a domestic disturbance ? I’m going with Bruce on this one since he already clearly stated what his experience is. I don’t have experience in this, but I’m not going to decide well after the fact what these police officers should have done. Where would we be if police just let everyone run away ?
well Angry,YOU said it, not that it wasn’t obvious..you DON’T have any experience.They wouldnt have “run away”..they would have just used one of the many tools available.Werent we told “discretion is the better part of valour”.Yes they’ll get him,dead or alive, but at what cost? Its just not worth it.Bruce probably remembers the other two Mounties who were killed near PA too, and that was a domestic dispute also.They are THE most dangerous type of call. Anyway this was interesting, and i’ll leave it to the armchair policemen to resolve this. They alway know best.
I wasn’t playing armchair officer you were. I also made it clear that I don’t have the experience. I’m interested in your experience and what the norm would be for policing in a rural area. I also agree with Bruce that this may not be the time or place. Feel free to email me angry@angrycanadian.ca .
Let’s see, Bruce with 30 years of RCMP experience or Art with… just what did Art do to make him an expert?
Answer: I’d have to go along with Bruce and also thank him for serving Canadians and his country. It is not a job I’d want to do. Thank God for the Bruces who will and do it well.
p.s. Wanna bet Art is also a military expert?
Would 35 years qualify me?and I dont claim to be an expert just a common sense ex-member..And don’t ever suggest the ERT wouldn’t attend because of a cost issue,Mr Angry.An armed person is always a reason to attend. You people should check out Angry Canadians website…just click under his name above….
Please check out my website !
Why didn’t you just say you were an ex-member of the RCMP ? I wasn’t being patronizing when I wanted to know about policing in a rural area. I’m from a large city and don’t know about how most things operate in small towns. I didn’t suggest that ERT wouldn’t respond either. I asked if it would have been authorized and how long it would take.
The police in a small town generally know who the problem people are, as does everybody else for that matter. There are very few secrets in small towns.
On the weekends, near the end of the night, you can generally see the ‘lads’ checking out all the bars in town to see who is going to need attention later. Small thing to do, and it doesn’t get everybody, but it is proactive, and smart. It’s almost always the usual suspects, over and over.
Not that I would know anything about it, of course.
Steve
Well. Angry, I would have thought my comments would have clued you in as to my former occupation.And, things aren’t any different in small towns than they atre in large cities..Preserve life, especially your own,coz dead you arent any good to anyone.”Be careful out there”?..and being you brought up Mayerthorpe, you’d thing we’d learn something.
Is the “accused RCMP assailant” dead? CP says he is. …-
Accused RCMP assailant remembered as easygoing, “super nice”
News1130 – 18 minutes ago
SPIRITWOOD, Sask. (CP)
maz:
As best I can tell from all of the news sources I have accessed, they have not located him yet, dead or alive…
Given what I understand of the terrain, it could take a while. At this point I have to assume that they have brought in the Alberta RCMP helicopter, which is equipped with “FLIR”, (an infrared device to detect heat-emitting sources like humans) but the longer it goes, the farther away this creep could be.
Insensitive jerk that I am, I forgot. Sorry.
All the best to the men and their families and a hearty “Thank You!” to art, Bruce and Angry Canadian for your’ bravery and years of service.
BTW, I meant ‘lads’ in the best sense of the word. I guess that you can take the boy out of the town, etc.
I would only add that in small towns, you play hockey, fish, etc. with the ‘lads’ and they generally know (or are) your’ extended family. Makes for a better and safer environment all around. Dagenais notwithstanding. Toronto on the other hand…
Steve
Art,
For what it is worth, I have heard other police officers stating that they are trained to evaluate the threat and that pursuit of an armed man is not recommended. But I am not in law enforcement.
I did, however, grow up in that area and had met Curt on a few occasions.
I called a friend in Spiritwood today and he told me that what hasn’t been released is that Curt beat up a female RCMP officer in the town of Spiritwood when she responded to the call of a domestic dispute. The house where the disturbance happened is literally a stone’s through from the RCMP station.
That could be false, small-towns are known for gossip, but it would explain why the RCMP were so adamant about the pursuit.
Sorry for o/t, but a suicide was prevented this past week in Edmonton area when they used infra-red and found a hidden car with the outline of a hose leading from the exhaust into the front.
Trent …”Thankyou”…I feel somewhat vindicated.