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Agreed
Syncro
I certainly never said it was a “conspiracy” … more like systemic moronic/robotic bias. The effect is subliminal, cumulative, massive: i.e. Israel is the aggressor.
Now check out Little Green Footballs item on coverage of Hezbollah’s rocket attacks from Lebanon.
I can’t make out what is tucked in the waist band of the male on his feet. It could be a gun or a knife. Maybe the man on his feet shot or stabbed the kid on the ground and is not lending a helping hand but going over to finish him off. There is no explaination in the printed article. Hummm, how odd.
DoubtingThomas is your typical fear-mongering, factually challenged Canadian chickenhawk.
The Canadian chickenhawk is an even more pathetic creature than its American counterpart, because the Canadian chickenhawk knows that no one he knows or is related to will be ever be killed or maimed servicing his need to prove his “manhood” through misbegotten military adventurism. At least the American variety is aware he might have to confront somebody like Cindy Sheehan and own up to his assuaging his inner child with the blood of his countrymen. The Canadian chickenhawk is exactly like one of the kids that used to egg the schoolyard bully on while he beat the shit out of some poor geek half his size. To the Canadian chickenhawk, nothing is sweeter than standing by and watching the U.S. kill a bunch of brown people.
You chickenhawks need to get a grip on some facts:
FACT 1: Iran is signatoy to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, which gives it the right to pursue civilian nuclear power production while complying with international inspection to ensure that no military use of nuclear technology is undertaken. There is currently no credible evidence that Iran has yet violated this treaty, indeed there is plenty that it has not.
FACT 2: Even if Iran were to suddenly decide to break the treaty, there are numerous telltale signs that would indicate a switching over to weapons production, which is a labor and technology-intensive process which would be easily observable from outside Iran. Even Bush’s Director of National Intelligence has acknowledged that such a process couldn’t even be begun in Iran for another ten years.
FACT 3: Iran has some very good reasons NOT to pursue a nuclear program, not the least of which is its proximity to occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. To brandish a nuclear weapons program with U.S. troops next door would be suicidal, and the U.S. could react quickly and decisevly without risk to the homeland.
FACT 4: The mullahs in power in Iran have issued a fatwah against anyone who uses a nuclear weapon. In Iran this is not to be disregarded.
FACT 5: The conservative media in the West is paying far too much attention to Ahmadinejad as a way of making Iran look really scary. Ahmadinejad is a buffoon who makes bellicose noises for internal political consumtion, not unlike Ralph Klein. In fact, Ahmadinejad’s power to make Iranian foreign policy is even less than Klein’s is here. Ahmadinejad recently made some noises about “going after Isreal first” and some Iranian generals immediately contradicted him. Bush and Ahmadinejad are just using each other to shore up their respective base.
FACT 6: Much of Ahmadinejad’s public rhetoric, while strong, has nevertheless been deliberately mistranslated and distorted by a group of pro Isreali warhawks in the U.S. State department and by Benador Associates, a neocon PR agency who also helped hype the Iraq war. (Benador was also behind the phony NP “badge” story last week, the one our foolish PM bought hook line and sinker).
FACT 7: There is a Middle Eastern country who has refused to sign the NPT, and who has secretly developed a nuclear arsenal while thumbing its nose at numerous UN resolutions demanding it come clean about it. It’s name is Isreal. The Iranian position seems to be, “why are we putting up with your (the West’s) shit if Isreal doesn’t have to?”
FACT 8: In 2003 Iran offered to hand over Al Quaida prisoners it held along with intelligence related to 9/11 to the U.S., but the U.S. REFUSED. Just last week, the first diplomatic contact between Iran and the U.S. in 25 years was initiated by Tehran, and President Chimpy told them to go fly a kite.
FACT 9: If the U.S. would hold out an olive branch to Iran, it would undermine the power of the conservatives in the Iranian government, who are extremely unpopular now (see fact5).
FACT 10: It’s the SAME people beating the drums about Iran’s nuclear program that lied to you about Iraq’s nuclear program. Doesn’t that arouse some suspicion? If it doesn’t, then I have a real estate deal you might be interested in…
R: Wow that’s a lot of facts. Downright intimidating in fact — sorta like reading Chomsky, ya know, “whatever you say Noam”.
Re: Bush lying about Iraq’s WMD, you are mistaken. Did not Iraq’s own generals think Saddam had them? No, fairer to say, Bush was keen to act and take the interpretation to justify action from massive and contradictory data, but wrong to say he “lied”. You can’t lie when you can’t have known for sure Saddam didn’t have WMD.
So you’re uncomfortable with facts instead of bluster. Let’s start WW3 anyway. I guess you found the right place to blog.
BTW, if was Dick Cheney who said “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” in August of 2002. He didn’t say “we don’t know for sure”. And it was Donnie Rumsfeld who said “we know where they are” in reference to WMDs in March 30, 2003. He didn’t say “we think we know where they are”. These are lies. They were meant to decieve. There was plenty of evidence to the contrary, and many of us who bothered to inform ourselves knew it at the time, but the Bush cabal counted on all the dopes to believe their scare stories JUST LIKE THEY’RE DOING NOW.
Beware salesman bearing FACTS.
R, Your Fact 1: Incorrect! Iran did break the NPT. Most people start off with at least Fact 1. as correct. Sorry, TG
Sheri! 🙂
Isn’t FACT a Canadian grant programme.
Jeez, R, you are getting off lightly. I guess the usual defenders of the faith have moved on to other threads. Suggest you reinsert your comment at another appropriate occasion.
R: Sorry man. I once found 36 quotes of high-level pols warning about Saddams’s WMD, including both Clintons, Madeline Albright going way back to the mid 90s. And again: even Saddam’s generals were shocked to discover he didn’t have them. Listen man, they’re lots and lots of avenues of valid criticism about the execution of the Iraq war, but Bush lying or deceiving the public is not one of them. Bush DID NOT LIE — to lie would mean he KNEW Saddam DIDN’T have them but told the public he DID have them. That didn’t happen. Repeat: He didn’t KNOW Saddam didn’t have them. Couldn’t have. Such a claim defies simple logic. Clinton himself has admitted (Larry King Live) that right up to day he left office he thought Saddam had WMD.
I just can’t let this go.
It’s well known that intelligence briefings before the war informed Bush and Cheney that their claims about WMD (particularly nukes) were untrue. ElBaradai told the world right before the war that there were no nukes in Iraq (and don’t forget that inspectors were on the ground in Iraq for months in 03 before the attack). The Plamegate scandal is another example of people telling the Bush administration that there was nothing there and Bush trying to cover it up. Plame’s career was fucked as a result (did you know that her specialty was nuclear proliferation in Iran?).
They SAID they knew; they DIDN’T know (which they should have before starting a war). They KNEW that they didn’t know. That’s why i say they lied.
The only other alternative is that Bush and Cheney are mentally challenged and/or delusional, and while this may be true of Bush, I don’t think it’s true of his Puppet Master, Dick.
And fuck Clinton. Anybody who thinks that I subscribe to the logic that says that “If Bush is wrong, than Clinton must be right” is a dickweed. Clinton’s part in the disaster that is present day Iraq is almost as great as Bush. Clinton loved to demonize Saddam and sow hysteria as a way to rally support when his own popularity sagged. It was Clinton that caused the UNSCOM inspectors to leave Iraq in 1998, not Saddam, as is widely (and erroneously) believed. This allowed unfounded speculation about WMDs to gain traction in the public mind and create a kind of “plausibility vacuum” which Bush and Cheney used to their nefarious advantage.
Which also exposes another lie Bush told. Remember when Bush said he wouldn’t attack Iraq until the inspectors were finished — and then did precisely that? There’s no exculpatory evidence for that — he lied. There may be those who claim otherwise, but I have amply demonstrated that they are wrong. I have more evidence if you like.
BTW, TG so you say Iran violated the NPT? I’d like you to tell me, where’s your evidence? (claims by the Bush administration don’t count, because as we have seen, THEY ARE LIARS).
Agreed
Syncro
I certainly never said it was a “conspiracy” … more like systemic moronic/robotic bias. The effect is subliminal, cumulative, massive: i.e. Israel is the aggressor.
Now check out Little Green Footballs item on coverage of Hezbollah’s rocket attacks from Lebanon.
I can’t make out what is tucked in the waist band of the male on his feet. It could be a gun or a knife. Maybe the man on his feet shot or stabbed the kid on the ground and is not lending a helping hand but going over to finish him off. There is no explaination in the printed article. Hummm, how odd.
DoubtingThomas is your typical fear-mongering, factually challenged Canadian chickenhawk.
The Canadian chickenhawk is an even more pathetic creature than its American counterpart, because the Canadian chickenhawk knows that no one he knows or is related to will be ever be killed or maimed servicing his need to prove his “manhood” through misbegotten military adventurism. At least the American variety is aware he might have to confront somebody like Cindy Sheehan and own up to his assuaging his inner child with the blood of his countrymen. The Canadian chickenhawk is exactly like one of the kids that used to egg the schoolyard bully on while he beat the shit out of some poor geek half his size. To the Canadian chickenhawk, nothing is sweeter than standing by and watching the U.S. kill a bunch of brown people.
You chickenhawks need to get a grip on some facts:
FACT 1: Iran is signatoy to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, which gives it the right to pursue civilian nuclear power production while complying with international inspection to ensure that no military use of nuclear technology is undertaken. There is currently no credible evidence that Iran has yet violated this treaty, indeed there is plenty that it has not.
FACT 2: Even if Iran were to suddenly decide to break the treaty, there are numerous telltale signs that would indicate a switching over to weapons production, which is a labor and technology-intensive process which would be easily observable from outside Iran. Even Bush’s Director of National Intelligence has acknowledged that such a process couldn’t even be begun in Iran for another ten years.
FACT 3: Iran has some very good reasons NOT to pursue a nuclear program, not the least of which is its proximity to occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. To brandish a nuclear weapons program with U.S. troops next door would be suicidal, and the U.S. could react quickly and decisevly without risk to the homeland.
FACT 4: The mullahs in power in Iran have issued a fatwah against anyone who uses a nuclear weapon. In Iran this is not to be disregarded.
FACT 5: The conservative media in the West is paying far too much attention to Ahmadinejad as a way of making Iran look really scary. Ahmadinejad is a buffoon who makes bellicose noises for internal political consumtion, not unlike Ralph Klein. In fact, Ahmadinejad’s power to make Iranian foreign policy is even less than Klein’s is here. Ahmadinejad recently made some noises about “going after Isreal first” and some Iranian generals immediately contradicted him. Bush and Ahmadinejad are just using each other to shore up their respective base.
FACT 6: Much of Ahmadinejad’s public rhetoric, while strong, has nevertheless been deliberately mistranslated and distorted by a group of pro Isreali warhawks in the U.S. State department and by Benador Associates, a neocon PR agency who also helped hype the Iraq war. (Benador was also behind the phony NP “badge” story last week, the one our foolish PM bought hook line and sinker).
FACT 7: There is a Middle Eastern country who has refused to sign the NPT, and who has secretly developed a nuclear arsenal while thumbing its nose at numerous UN resolutions demanding it come clean about it. It’s name is Isreal. The Iranian position seems to be, “why are we putting up with your (the West’s) shit if Isreal doesn’t have to?”
FACT 8: In 2003 Iran offered to hand over Al Quaida prisoners it held along with intelligence related to 9/11 to the U.S., but the U.S. REFUSED. Just last week, the first diplomatic contact between Iran and the U.S. in 25 years was initiated by Tehran, and President Chimpy told them to go fly a kite.
FACT 9: If the U.S. would hold out an olive branch to Iran, it would undermine the power of the conservatives in the Iranian government, who are extremely unpopular now (see fact5).
FACT 10: It’s the SAME people beating the drums about Iran’s nuclear program that lied to you about Iraq’s nuclear program. Doesn’t that arouse some suspicion? If it doesn’t, then I have a real estate deal you might be interested in…
R: Wow that’s a lot of facts. Downright intimidating in fact — sorta like reading Chomsky, ya know, “whatever you say Noam”.
Re: Bush lying about Iraq’s WMD, you are mistaken. Did not Iraq’s own generals think Saddam had them? No, fairer to say, Bush was keen to act and take the interpretation to justify action from massive and contradictory data, but wrong to say he “lied”. You can’t lie when you can’t have known for sure Saddam didn’t have WMD.
So you’re uncomfortable with facts instead of bluster. Let’s start WW3 anyway. I guess you found the right place to blog.
BTW, if was Dick Cheney who said “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” in August of 2002. He didn’t say “we don’t know for sure”. And it was Donnie Rumsfeld who said “we know where they are” in reference to WMDs in March 30, 2003. He didn’t say “we think we know where they are”. These are lies. They were meant to decieve. There was plenty of evidence to the contrary, and many of us who bothered to inform ourselves knew it at the time, but the Bush cabal counted on all the dopes to believe their scare stories JUST LIKE THEY’RE DOING NOW.
Beware salesman bearing FACTS.
R, Your Fact 1: Incorrect! Iran did break the NPT. Most people start off with at least Fact 1. as correct. Sorry, TG
Sheri! 🙂
Isn’t FACT a Canadian grant programme.
Jeez, R, you are getting off lightly. I guess the usual defenders of the faith have moved on to other threads. Suggest you reinsert your comment at another appropriate occasion.
R: Sorry man. I once found 36 quotes of high-level pols warning about Saddams’s WMD, including both Clintons, Madeline Albright going way back to the mid 90s. And again: even Saddam’s generals were shocked to discover he didn’t have them. Listen man, they’re lots and lots of avenues of valid criticism about the execution of the Iraq war, but Bush lying or deceiving the public is not one of them. Bush DID NOT LIE — to lie would mean he KNEW Saddam DIDN’T have them but told the public he DID have them. That didn’t happen. Repeat: He didn’t KNOW Saddam didn’t have them. Couldn’t have. Such a claim defies simple logic. Clinton himself has admitted (Larry King Live) that right up to day he left office he thought Saddam had WMD.
I just can’t let this go.
It’s well known that intelligence briefings before the war informed Bush and Cheney that their claims about WMD (particularly nukes) were untrue. ElBaradai told the world right before the war that there were no nukes in Iraq (and don’t forget that inspectors were on the ground in Iraq for months in 03 before the attack). The Plamegate scandal is another example of people telling the Bush administration that there was nothing there and Bush trying to cover it up. Plame’s career was fucked as a result (did you know that her specialty was nuclear proliferation in Iran?).
They SAID they knew; they DIDN’T know (which they should have before starting a war). They KNEW that they didn’t know. That’s why i say they lied.
The only other alternative is that Bush and Cheney are mentally challenged and/or delusional, and while this may be true of Bush, I don’t think it’s true of his Puppet Master, Dick.
And fuck Clinton. Anybody who thinks that I subscribe to the logic that says that “If Bush is wrong, than Clinton must be right” is a dickweed. Clinton’s part in the disaster that is present day Iraq is almost as great as Bush. Clinton loved to demonize Saddam and sow hysteria as a way to rally support when his own popularity sagged. It was Clinton that caused the UNSCOM inspectors to leave Iraq in 1998, not Saddam, as is widely (and erroneously) believed. This allowed unfounded speculation about WMDs to gain traction in the public mind and create a kind of “plausibility vacuum” which Bush and Cheney used to their nefarious advantage.
Which also exposes another lie Bush told. Remember when Bush said he wouldn’t attack Iraq until the inspectors were finished — and then did precisely that? There’s no exculpatory evidence for that — he lied. There may be those who claim otherwise, but I have amply demonstrated that they are wrong. I have more evidence if you like.
BTW, TG so you say Iran violated the NPT? I’d like you to tell me, where’s your evidence? (claims by the Bush administration don’t count, because as we have seen, THEY ARE LIARS).
Your opinion can no way be accepted as fact.TG
Factoid?