“F’N Indians took out our power, I’m sitting on freezers full of stock. Freezers are new and we haven’t had time to have a new generator wired in. Now, it’s personal and all sympathy and patience I had is long gone! š
BTW…I’ve got one hour left on this lap top battery.”
Details at the Hamilton Spectator.
(h/t to Maz2 in the comments.)
Citizens of Caledonia has more, as does Darcey.
CTV
Tuesday updates:
Hamilton’s talk radio station CHML is “racist” – banned from the Confederacy newsconference.
Toronto Sun goes out on a race relations limb to point out the blatantly obvious.
Terrific. The problem is that both he and McGuinty need to realize that millions of Ontarians (and Canadians) do not think aboriginals , or anyone else, deserve brownie points for not using weapons to settle a dispute . They think that should be a given. And they are fed-up with disputes like this one that drag on ad nauseam while politicians utter platitudes.
You want, calm, premier? Show us there is one law for everyone — native and non-native — that judges people based not on who they are, but on how they act.
Indeed.
The disputed native land would be any city province or territory in Canada,” claims could be made on everything.” In the case of Caledonia, the land was given as a reward for helping out in a war. It was never intended to become anything more than a peaceful farming community. As for the roads” wake up” you are living in Canada. The government can take land from any Canadian, if they need to build roads. The problem is the natives think theyāre not Canadian, and the Laws do not apply.
Native protesters set up on Sask. highway
Last Updated May 22 2006 12:22 PM CDT
CBC News
Some members of Saskatchewan First Nations who sympathize with a blockade by natives in Ontario set up a blockade of their own at a major highway near North Battleford Monday afternoon.
It was a short-lived protest and by 2 p.m., traffic was again flowing on the Yellowhead Highway near North Battleford.
Thats the way to do it. If the criminal elements among the Natives break the law by blocking public roads they should be removed immediately.
http://www.cbc.ca/sask/story/sk-protesters060522.html
Calls for military to save Caledonia
May, 23 2006 – 4:00 AM
Listen To Broadcast
CALEDONIA (AM900 CHML) – Haldimand Mayor Marie Trainer wants the military to come in and diffuse the situation in Caledonia.
A state of emergency is in effect in the town and schools are closed following Monday’s events near the native barricades.
The day began with the removal of the barricade on Argyle Street, but things deteriorated from there, with a violent confrontation between aboriginal protesters and young Caledonia residents.
The native’s re-establish the barricade early in the afternoon.
In addition to laying a hydro tower across the road they used a bulldozer to dig up a section of the road.
Matters were made worse after someone vandalized the local power transformer, cutting off electricity to some 64-hundred customers in the area.
Hydro One’s Laura Cooke says it could be days before power is fully restored.
There are cancellations in the area because of this.
Schools in Caledonia, Simcoe and Waterford are closed as a result.
McKinnon Park Child Care Centre in Caledonia is also closed.
The Simcoe administration office is closed today because of the lack of power.
The blackout, coupled with the tense standoff, pushed municipal officials to declare a state of emergency late last night.
More at
http://www.900chml.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428880912&rem=38511&red=80162123aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm
maz2…
It seems that your worse than the Indians in Caledonia. You do nothing all day but stir up the shit pot. Blame everybody but yourself and are off topic most of the time.
Do you have a job? Who pays you? Earn your money like the rest of us. Why don’t you give your computer a rest and get some fresh air. The oxygen will be refreshing!
Nutjob alert,
Don’t feed C.O.
It’s those damned white settlers trying to exterminate the indigenous peoples yet again. Apparently, the trench the aboriginals dug across the main street was to stop the slaughter of innocents. They also mention that “The Caledonia transformer station (the main source of power for the surrounding Norfolk and Haldimand counties) is out of service, leaving thousands of area residents without electricity”, while neglecting to mention it was actually burned out by, well… themselves.
http://nefac.net/node/2089
The blockades are put back up in the early afternoon after the non-indigenous blockaders surround a car with a reporter and Six Nations women, smash the car windows, and then attack Six Nations people coming to the aid of those in the car.
People at the reclamation site dig up pavement, creating a trench across Argyle Road to stop the mob from swarming the camp.
Reportage courtesy of The Northeastern Federation of Anarcho-Communists. “To achieve such a society, we must bring an end to patriarchy, white supremacy and class domination; smash State power; expropriate the wealth of the rich; abolish the wage system and market economy; and socialize the means of production and distribution for the benefit of society as a whole.”
Fristly, Tom Penn. “Victimhood status is self-destructive.” You are already one of the smartest persons I know š
Secondly this quote from above (Robert). I seldom meet people that think the government is not against them. And basing vigilante actions on that and percieved wrongs is a very dangerous view. When (groups) take up arms based on percieved wrongs you get war…. every war is history has a percieved wrong to justify it. Today we saw fist fights in the streets, a “non-native” protestor swiped with a car (hmmm only 1 reference to it??), and actions taken like blockading a blockade and power being cut. Please everyone do not introduce weapons in the hands of the public (both sides) to such a mix. No good can come from that.
“The fact that the police did just stand there means that this moral contract is broken. Those natives have a moral obligation to use force against anyone who challenges them.
This is exactly what guns are for – to defend your rights when the government is against you, or refuses to do its job. (and I’ve rarely seen a native house without an unregistered gun or rifle in it)”
Lastly I will say what I said before: This is a matter for the courts and the government to decide with the six nations. I have no idea if the claims have merit, but they might be justified. BUT, Not one negotiator not one lawyer should be hired until this is all over. Not one finger should be lifted to deal with this until the arrest and trial of everyone occupying land or causing damages.
Whether or not the claim has merit is not important to this current matter. Acts against the law must be dealt with. Or the next time (whoever is involved) it just escalates farther as boundries are tested. We are a lawful and respectful society,… are’t we?
The blockades are put back up in the early afternoon after the non-indigenous blockaders surround a car with a reporter and Six Nations women, smash the car windows, and then attack Six Nations people coming to the aid of those in the car.
Yep, that’s mighty curious reporting. They forget to mention that these natives in their SUV tried to MOW their way through the Caledonia residents human chain blockade.
BTW, am I seeing things or is that a Hydro Ontario tower making up part of the Native blockade this am? Hmmm, may have something to do with the power disruptions going on in the region.
“Whether or not the claim has merit.”
You missed the point the natives, lost the land claim, and refuse to accept it. Knowing full well they can not win in court of law. In Canada, if you resort to an armed struggle you get payouts $$$ this is what needs to stop.
Dolton McSquinty will botch the Calidonia mess as he has every other justice/crime issue he touches….he has a particular problem with applying the law equally and identifying true criminals….the biggest effort we have seen Dolton and his comical side kick JM Bryant engage in is using all the state cooersion he can muster to goon struggling Farmers, indignant landowners and hunters and tarhet shooters in the province, while ethnic gangs shoot up TO at will with illegal guns smuggeled in from the Brantford first nations reserve.
Dyslexic Dolton can’t tell a criminal from an irate tax payer….but ain’t that the gawd awful truth about all bloviating pencil neck liberal plutocrats.
Well just heard on the news (CKRZ)that the baricades are coming back down…But they should actually keep the Argyle street barricade up and re-route all traffic AROUND Caledonia…Call it strike one from what happened yesterday…
But if they want to take it down…thats okay we are ALL WAITING…for strike two
I suggest that the residents of Caledonia stop paying all taxes until the government does its job.
Why would you pay for services not rendered?
The top priority of government is law and order. If that isn’t done, the government looses its legitimacy. Why should people have to pay for it?
Strike two should consist of the politicians a OPP getting off their LAZY ASSES and outfitting (at public expense of course)with handcuffs, every single native protestor that they can link to burning the bridges, disrupting the power and, any other other ILLEGAL act that they think they are immune to. I love how any time a “Native” dispute starts that they start shipping othe “Natives” in from other parts of Canada and the States. And where ever you see “Native” quoted, read “TERRORIST”
Eskimo: “time to send in the marines”
This is Canada, we dont’ have Marines. Besides that, most of our fighting units are over in Aftganistan, the ones left (and probably a sizeable chunk of the military) are pencil pushers and military brass who have never seen a rifle except in basic training…
One sign at the native road block: “Oh Canada your home on native land”. If this does not wake up the country nothing will. The politicians suck! Who is protecting the citizens of Caledonia? If they take any action they are the first to be arrested. This is just blantant reverse discrimination. This is going to happen across this country, in every province, on freehold land only in Canada and I’m not making this up!
robert: “…and the police just stood there – you can be certain that I’d break out my rifle before he came back.”
Probably the reason the cops were just standing there – they were waiting for the Gun Registry computer to report back to see if your rifle was registered…
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“Caledonia” – the next best thing to reality tv for canada.
Wonder when they’ll make a movie out of it, and of course twist the truth, like how Steilberg did to “Munich”.
We’ll have soul searching, ask indirect stupid questions when you’re nation’s livelyhood is at stake, look like the bad guys for not sitting down and having dialouge and discourse with terrorists.
Maybe call Caledonea “Munich II – the ugly canadian”?
Posted by: David Brown:
“maz2…
It seems that your worse than the Indians in Caledonia. You do nothing all day but stir up the shit pot. Blame everybody but yourself and are off topic most of the time.
Do you have a job? Who pays you? Earn your money like the rest of us. Why don’t you give your computer a rest and get some fresh air. The oxygen will be refreshing!
Nutjob alert,
Don’t feed C.O”…
More for Dave from Peterson:
Peterson blasts both sides
Clashes ‘snatch defeat from jaws of victory,’ ex-premier says
May 23, 2006. 10:26 AM
RICHARD BRENNAN
GTA BUREAU CHIEF
BRANTFORD – A fragile peace between Caledonia residents and Six Nation protestors was shattered by thoughtless thugs on both sides, former Ontario premier David Peterson said today. …
via googlenews
I just saw a clip in which a citizen of Caledonia was saying that Harper should “do something”.
I am unclear about who is responsible for what issues when it comes to native issues. I have heard that this problem in Caledonia is a provincial responsibility. If that is so, where does the Federal Government fit in this picture?
I have a feeling that pressure will be brought to bear on the Prime Minister, helped no doubt by the MSM.
Pot Stirring….
KKK is able to import speakers to incite racist violence. This flyer was put out a week ago and nothingās been done since then. We still need people to stand with us. Any help is appreciated. Keep writing the Governor General, the Prime Minister, the Queen and everybody in the world. Tell them whatās happening to us.
Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News
I do business every day in Caledonia. This has been a peaceful protest with locals/police/natives smiling and being friedly with each other.
This peace as well as the progess that has been made lately was shattered by conservative thugs on the weekend. Yes, that’s right. The same conservative confrontational mentality that exists on this blog became all to real over the weekend.
As I write this Caledonians are gathering up their belongings and are leaving town in a mass hysterical exodus. I met 2 of them this morning while having breakfast in a Hamilton diner. They fear for the safety of their children.
I want all you conservative anal pores that haven’t been within a 1,000 KM of Caledonia to shut your pie holes and do what you do best…google your life away.
P.S.
maz2, You can come out of your basement anytime now!
Lee: “…provincial responsibility. If that is so, where does the Federal Government fit in this picture?”
How true, this is starting to sound like the Hurrican Katrina mess of finger pointing…and nothing gets done.
Although IO have worked for years to support Aboriginal development, I have now lost all sympathy for Aboriginal causes. We should provide them with opportunity to succeed in our society the same way everyone else does and drop this cultural discrimination. If they want to preserve their culture, they can do it on their own ticket. This civil disobedience nonsense should be stopped with unequivocal force.
Time to treat the natives like western farmers were when they sold their own wheat-jail, fines, confiscation. Didn’t a farmer in Ont recently have his chickens confiscated. How many highways, developments, pipelines etc have been put in by confiscating land from cdns. How many homes and settlements have been moved and flooded for dams to be built. Oh, that was ok as it was owned by non natives. Too many claims have been settled by chicken govts because it made them feel good, without thinking ahead. These natives are no better than the terrorists who protested a cartoon. Time to use the proper terms, they are terrorists. I agree, all payments to all natives should have the costs of the damage done deducted equally from all tribes across Canada. Can’t wait for the AG to audit the Indian dept., and follow the money to a few chiefs and their families, while the rest of the residents live in abject poverty. Abolish the department, abolish the reservations, quit treating the natives like special people. These terrorists are giving a bad name and image to the many natives who have productive jobs, families and values.
How will all this affect the next Ont provincial election. Will Toronto still vote for this inept crowd, both provincially and Federally.
maryT: Well said!!
I know a few natives who wouldnt live on a reserve for anything. They are doing just as well as anyone else in Canada who doesnt depend on the government.
They tell me that the worst racists in Canada live on the reserves.
Unfortunately, I think we all know how this will end up…it was predicted earlier. The government will roll over and give in to the thugs as part of their dispute resolution process. The same always goes for illegal union strikes as well…they are not punished, all is forgiven for the sake of labour peace.
Politicians are in there for “a good time, not a long time”…they have no desire to actually SOLVE problems. They just want the problems to “GO AWAY”…and giving in to the thugs accomplishes this nicely. The politicians have a whole host of creative writers on staff to dream up good excuses for whatever they decide to do…and they know that BS baffles brains (and that’s NOT Belinda Stronach, by the way).
Very sad. They will never be held accountable. Ever. There is no white knight to ride in and save the law abiding taxpayers from thugs or the government…we will forever be trapped as indentured serfs.
Censorship has it’s priveleges.
What a bunch of chickens.
Cluck cluck puk puk.
Doesn’t it strike you as rather strange that we (the rest of Canada) will have to pay for both ends of this dispute. We’ll provide the money for the FN folks to defend themselves in court (when we finally get of our collective rear-ends and arrest ’em), as well as paying to prosecute them for illegal activities. That’s if we ever get to that stage.
I’d suggest chopping off all the welfare cheques for a start. That might get some attention (but probably on from the UN).
Ridiculous state of affairs, if you ask me.
Pot Stirring….
KKK is able to import speakers to incite racist violence. This flyer was put out a week ago and nothingās been done since then. We still need people to stand with us. Any help is appreciated. Keep writing the Governor General, the Prime Minister, the Queen and everybody in the world. Tell them whatās happening to us.
Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News
Posted by: maz2 at May 23, 2006 11:25 AM
Whats happening to you!!!!!!! LOL I will tell you what’s happening… You are breaking the law, you have terrorised a community, You have nothing but contempt for Canadian laws or Canadian values (except of course when it benefit’s you i.e. land grant’s, free tuition, free medical, dental and other benefits) The Federal Government should put the Military in immediately (and yes, I am Military) to put an end to this. The fact that this is a provincial matter makes no difference when the provincial government abbrogates it responsibily, besides the Ontario laws do not apply to Natives as they are a seperate nation (once again, only when it suits them.) It is time a hardline was taken with these criminals (not all natives, just the protestors) as mentioned before can you imagine if we whities pulled this type of shit, can say locked up.
Interesting poll over at CTV Website-
How do you think the government should resolve the native standoff in Caledonia, Ont.?
Use force
3342 votes (59 %)
Continue negotiations
1806 votes (32 %)
Give in to native demands
530 votes (9 %)
Total Votes: 5678
Results as of 12:45 pm, EST.
http://www.ctv.ca/
Nutjob alert,
Kate in her wisdom has not allowed an eyewitness report from Caledonia on this thread.
It seems that googled results are more important than firsthand ones.
Many conservatives on this thread have made thugish comments but as soon as someone links these thugs to current events in Caledonia the eraser comes out.
Shame on you Kate…you don’t think or speak for me.
Dave,
Kate has not “allowed” what?
It would be hard for a “first-hand” report to be entered on the comments when the area has NO HYDRO because the indians broke it and won’t let the utility company fix it.
How many eye-witness accounts do you need before you advocate the police upholding the law?
Kate also didn’t claim to speak for you – that’s why she included a comments section.
Dave seems to be in favor of terrorism in Canuckistan. I just want to know why.
Dave,no need for the warning,most here can see you are a nutjob…
I find it sadly predictable you claim to be offended by thuggish remarks,yet you openly condone thuggish behavior!
Oops,I forgot,it is ALWAYS the whitemans’ fault isn’t it?Well,I refuse to hide behind the politically correct nonsense in this country that protects the natives who repeatedly force their way to the trough with claims of oppression.It’s only fair isn’t it,if natives can openly declare their HATRED of the whiteman(and,oh boy,it surely exists)then I will certainly openly express my disgust at most natives’ neverending demands,and neverending social ills.ENOUGH!Take responsibility for yourselves!
These natives,in particular,have demonstrated they don’t give a rats behind about the well-being of their white neighbors,or even the LAW,for that matter.I will certainly be happy to show them the very same courtesy.
Don’t mess with the goodwill of the average Canadian,it is already fragile and the only thing keeping these native charades going.And you wouldn’t want to damage the gravy train,would you?
BTW,if you don’t want to listen to my views,that’s OK.Just leave your address so I can barricade your driveway till you see it my way!.
Alert : Missing premier (shurely ‘person’? – Ed) in Ontario: Please help if you can: http://doggerelparty.blogspot.com/2006/05/have-you-seen-this-man.html
Just noticed on my TV that the barricade is coming down, the backhoe is now being used to clear things up. I’m sure people like Peterson will be patting themselves on the back regarding their negotiations. Frankly, I think it’s amazing what a little righteous anger can do, isn’t it?
1 law for all Canadians.
anything else, is not going to be ok.
Not this summer, not next summer.
Was this a land sale, or a land lease?
If it was a lease, break the lease, settle the dollar value, and be done with it.
If it was a sale, then the law court needs to do their job.
Needs to make a decision.
Needs to earn their $230.000. / year.
This isn’t a political decision, that’ll come next election Mr.McGuinty.
good thing these people weren’t trying to sell wheat to the USA. without the CWB.
marc… or, Praise Be, trying to have illegal laying hens on their ‘property’…
A personal boycott of native business is now in effect until Six Nations makes reparations for damages and losses in Caledonia.
“Kate” was in town working while “browned off Dave” was being “censored” – by the spam filter.
Kate when you say the word work all the lefties start getting sick and well you never know but they might try something stupid to get even.
It is both hilarious and pathetic, watching Dalton McGuinty and the MSM trying to lay this issue at the feet of PM Stephen Harper. Anyone can see that we are observing yet another failure of leadership by Dalton McGuinty. Sending in ābroken-heartedā David Peterson to avoid political fall-out has backfired as it was bound too. Peterson claims that everything was going swimmingly and suddenly āsomething happenedā proving that, yes he was there, but he did not know what was really going on. Why is he being praised as a good negotiator?
I am not a ānon-nativeā I am Canadian, as are the people of Caledonia.
The MSM keep using this absurd language. As I understand it the Natives deny that they are āCanadianā ā just like Quebec separatists ā and maintain that they are Native-First-Nations-Aboriginals. Their signage and language addresses Canada and Canadians as the āOtherā; so be it. Under these circumstances it is hardly āracistā to simple refer to the Natives as Natives and the people of Caledonia as Canadians.
I refuse to buy into the language of spin doctors and liars; the appeasers of what can only be defined as terrorism.
The media are reporting that the hydro to Caledonia has been cut by a generic act of āvandalismā. We all know who the āvandalsā are and no amount of politically-correct speech can cloud this fact.
Mary T and Lee – exactly. Reserves are crap places because of the indolent, blame whitey crowd. They’re natives only in colour, they have no connection to the culture, which for the most part required you to get off your ass and earn a living and which had respect for private property.
Only 47% of natives actually live on reserve and that number is fast declining. The ones still there are old, or people whose only form is success is in the magnitude of their victimhood and the size of the stick up their ass.
And as for racists – on the reserve I lived on, you called your employee ‘your nig#er’. You didn’t eat noodles because you’d turn into ‘a chinaman’ and you just plain hated people from India.
Corrupt, undemocratic, backward, crap, hell-holes – the sooner they’re broken up into privately held land, the better.
Say goodnight, Dalton.
Goodnight, Dalton.
…
McGuinty ‘pleased’ with developments in Caledonia
Premier Dalton McGuinty said today that he has no plans to ask Prime Minister Stephen Harper to send the army in to Caledonia, reports the Toronto Sun.
via cnews
Did anyone catch the item about something similar to Caledonia going on in Sudbury?
I just caught the tail end of it, so im not real sure about the details.
Actually, all said and done,and when done, what will have been accomplished by the natives actions?
well it does focus on the ineptness of the Liberal Party of Ontario.
so “something” was accomplished… haha.
What was accomplished by the Natives in Caledonia is that they have been empowered to do it again-they got away with their criminal acts-we sit back and wait to see how the government caves in -once again -what are they going to give them now?
She:kon!
Canada has proven once again that the ONLY way to deal with land claims legitimately is to take the land back, and then negotiate. Your courts are biased. Your land claims commission is bureaucratic. However, our reclamation process is effective and timely.
We’ll continue to go with what works, unless you encourage your government to honestly and diligently uphold the agreements they have made and come up with a process that works.
Don’t forget that Canada and Canadians have no land base. All treaties are leases that allowed your co-habitation with us and since you are now in default, we have no choice but to evict you, one household at a time.
O:nen