For the Canadian Islamic Congress, the inclusion of the word “Canadian” in their name is only a passing afterthought – a reference to the mailing address. Not that their loyalties were ever seriously in question;
Islamic Congress Encourages Iranian Nuclear Technology For Civilian Use And Calls On Canada To Cooperate With Iran In Developing Non-weapons-calibre Energy
In related news – in a move designed to send the strongest of signals to the increasingly hostile Ahmadinejad government, the UN has made Iran vice-chair of the Disarmament Commission. I agree with Senator Frist’s commentors – the time to reform the United Nations has come and gone. Time to evict them from North American soil and seek new funding from those dysfunctional tribal governments and one-party dictatorships they so love to put in charge of things.
Just over a year ago, Freedom House released its annual list of the world�s worst human rights violators, and out of the 18 most repressive regimes, six of them�China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe – were then members of the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
At that time, Rex Murphy wrote:
“[The oil-for-food scandal] was far worse than the most egregious scandals of recent days. The excesses and graft of Enron and Worldcom cannot claim as excuse that they occurred in an environment of abundance. But not even the rapacious capitalists of Enron or Worldcom built their Aspen retreats or fattened their grotesquely tumid bank accounts from money intended for children’s medicine.
“How the United Nations survives its vast hypocrisies is at one with other mysteries: how it survives its ineffectuality (the killings in Darfur continue apace), the sexual scandals of some of its peacekeeping operations, and its sheer chilling incompetence.
“It is supposed to be the conscience of the world. Nations defer to its judgments. Canada based its non-participation in the Iraq war on the deliberations of the UN.
“Why our country farmed out a moral decision of that magnitude to this inept, useless and corrupt institution is a perplexity that will never be unravelled. There’s talk of reforming the UN. The only reform, after oil-for-food, may be to shut it down.”
And don’t forget that, on 2003-12-20, Rex said: “The UN is a capricious body, immune to irony, and tone-deaf, when it chooses to be, to the most extravagant contradictions. Turn Saddam in to the UN, and in a couple of weeks he’d probably be co-chairing the human-rights commission with Libya. […] on the days when the UN is not a cauldron of impotence, it is a factory of tactlessness.”
“a passing afterthought” – has anybody told you lately that your writing is both elegant and pithy?
Cheers,
DB
You know, if there were ever such a foundation as ‘Logic & Concision House,’ Rex Murphy would near the top of its list of the worst offenders against both virtues.
As for Iran’s nuclear ambitions, I would say that those commenting on the nation’s alleged nuclear weapons programme would sound a lot more credible if they displayed any evidence–any–of familiarity with the IAEA’s reports, the nuclear fuel cycle generally, etc.
Rex Murphy has it right – and read Frist’s comments on the UN as well. A totally corrupt, ineffectual, self-defining non-entity that is utterly incapable of assisting anyone, anywhere, and indeed, has done more harm than good. It ought to be shut down – It cannot be reformed.
Like unions, which also feed off the backs of people, it will remain. I predict, however, that it will become more irrelevant. I don’t see anything so far, moving into the area of an international voice – other than the Internet.
I wonder.
Can the Internet function as a UN? That is, can a networking of people, all over the world, function as an international dialogue system that oversees, that comments on, that pressures, ..nations to take action?
The tsunami. The response was via the Internet and Nations. The Internet provided the information about what was happening, provided links to aid agencies, and the private individual connected with those agencies to donate. Individual nations – the US, Australia – moved in rapidly.
(Canada, under Paul Martin, did nothing until he was shamed by the private donations of Canadians..and even now, we don’t know if any of the gov’t money was ever sent. It took over two weeks for the ‘Rapid Reponse DART team to get there, long after the Americans and Australians..and they only stayed a short while, as aid had already arrived).
The UN did nothing, except towards the end, when it insisted that IT should oversee all aid!
The recent Afghanistan threat to execute someone who had converted to Christianity. The UN did nothing; the information was spread by the Internet; individuals reacted; and nations reacted.
What is the function of the UN now – since it has shown that it cannot offer aid, cannot oversee aid, cannot stop genocides?
Ad hominem #47(b): Rex Murphy writes too well.
Courtesy of Stephen.
Just from Iran’s comments, the government there itself has stated, publicly, to make them a party to any kind of UN commission is absurd.
And while the UN was running around wringing its hands, the US Navy pulled up in a carrier group (it’s about 27 ships) in a few days and generated 900,000 gallons of fresh water a day, from their nuclear reactors, which they piped ashore over kilometers of canvas pipes floated on the ocean.
What is the sound of one hand wringing?
Th uN is a cigar club for Africans and other despotics.
See the UN as it should appear.
http://www.dukemcgoo.com/UN.jpg
Frist is not my favorite senator, but if he were to include getting the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US I’d vote for him in a heart-beat. Damn, but I’m tired of listening to that organized crime outfit ranting on moral issues as if they even had a clue.
A study aid for Vetruvius, whose latinate handle belies his/her understanding of the latin term ad hominem:
It’s not fallacious ad hominem reasoning to criticize a writer for being illogical or verbose. The term means ‘to the man,’ so it’s only ad hominem argument if you direct attention away from what was said to the irrelevant personal characteristics of who said it.
Actual ad hominem: ‘I criticize that Rex Murphy piece on the grounds that he’s from Newfoundland, and what do they know?!’
Not ad hominem: ‘I criticize that Rex Murphy piece because it’s badly argued, and poorly written, to boot.’
If I were vetruvius, I’d put the training-wheels back on my logic-bike before I ventured out onto the trail again.
Love to see the U.N. come to Canada, to Toronto if possible. As would most Canadians. Hey Kate , your Red State U.S. cronies think we’re hiding an army of blue uniformed U.N. soldiers up here. You keeping some of them over in Sask.
U.S. is just pissed because the U.N. and the rest of the planet called them on Iraq. There’s nothing else behind Frist’s words.
Just so, Stephen. Except you were in part criticizing his writing style, not his argument, in a context in which it was his argument that was important. That was ad hominem, in my opinion, if not yours. I wrote it backwards in an attempt to be witty. Sorry.
Stephen:
You say Rex Murphy’s piece is poorly written. You don’t point out the inconsistencies. Iran’s leader have denied that they are making nuclear weapons and we should believe them? Their own stated policies, even just regarding Israel (who is in the nuclear club) tells me that they are desperate to equal that capability.
What about their high speed torpedoes. Their testing missiles etc. they are either posturing and lying or their telling the truth. Either way, they are dangerously antagonistic to othe members of the UN.
The UN including them in the various commission they are in is ludicrous.
“Hey Kate , your Red State U.S. cronies think we’re hiding an army of blue uniformed U.N. soldiers up here.”
BCL why wouldn’t they reading posts the likes of yours, and having to deal with liberals in this country the last thirteen years, actually I wouldn’t be surprised they believe the government wipes our backsides for us.
BCL your off your stick, if you actually take any pride in defending the UN.
The US needs to default on dues and just walk away after asking them to get their headquarters out of NYC. I’ve read somewhere that drug trafficking under diplomatic immunity is not uncommon among some of the unsavory weasels at the UN.
Of course, the Left will swoon and throw a tantrum with the crown jewel of multi-culturalism evicted.
I can’t think of one compelling reason to belong to the UN. Aid to poor countries? That’s a joke. Disaster relief? The US military did the job quickly and efficiently instead of them in Indonesia. The UN idiots arrived late and decided to twitter away crucial time with a useless series of organizational meetings.
Vetruvius:
Just so, Stephen. Except you were in part criticizing his writing style, not his argument, in a context in which it was his argument that was important.
No worries. We’re just having some fun in the blogosphere, right? In fact, my rather tart original post was aimed at what I saw as an attempt to enlist Murphy–whom I consider sometimes illogical, occasionally dishonest, and often prolix–as an ‘authority’ on the UN and scandal.
Mark:
You say Rex Murphy’s piece is poorly written. You don’t point out the inconsistencies.
I do say so, though I don’t think it follows that the piece must also be therefore inconsistent, if that’s what you’re implying.
I’m happy to point out inconsistencies, however, if you’d like.
As for poorly written–Well, if you’re a native English speaker and you think phrases like ‘cauldron of impotence’ sit comfortably next to others like ‘factory of tactlessness,’ then, frankly speaking, I can’t help you.
January 21, 2005
“It was as bald as a message on the world�s biggest billboard�Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin swigging from a bottle of purified water in Kalumai, Sri Lanka. The photo op of a lifetime, eclipsed by free advertising for ZENON Environmental Inc. The water quenching the thirst of a Prime Minister was produced by the DART (Disaster Assistance Response Team) water purifier.”
Garth Pritchard, a Canadian documentary filmmaker covering the tsunami tragedy in Sri Lanka and reporting back to the Toronto Sun, called DART men and women heroes, and he�s right.
Pritchard lamented in a Sun column how Martin�s visit to the scene of the disaster was a “circus” and a weeklong “photo opportunity”.
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/cover012105.htm
and more about Martin, Kofi, Strong and more missing in action millions at
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/cover042005.htm
“As would most Canadians”
Yeah right BCL, why not lecture us on how “most Canadians” think on every other issue while your at it.
Just got home from a meeting learning about the idea of an Alberta Pension Plan. It’s time to cut off BCL and his twisted vision of Canada, funded by all the billions flowing out of Alberta.
So, BCL, spell out for us all of us the compellingly good things about the UN? You know, the positive difference it has made in the world? Please give us lots of factual specifics too.
You’re great at one liners and snarky drive-bys.
Over time it becomes noticeable that you fade fast when required to deliver some facts, logic or coherent reasoning.
UN good. Bush bad. Got that. Pathetic.
BigCityLib – what’s the evidence for your assertion to us that ‘most Canadians would love to see the UN come to Canada’? Please provide empirical proof – otherwise, your statement is invalid. Why do you consider that you have the data base to speak for ‘most Canadians’??
Also, how about some proof for your second statement..’US is just pissed…” It is equally without any factual or logical evidence.
Stephen – your statement to Vitruvius (about ‘training-wheels’) is ad hominem.
Also, as a native English speaker, I don’t need your help to conclude that Murphy’s piece was both logical in content and elegant in format. Both ”cauldron of impotence’ and ‘factory of tactlessness’ are exquisite metaphors, which portray the UN perfectly.
The first metaphor sets up an image-> the impotent non-productivity of the UN operates in a ‘hot-house randomness’ that burns up all facts and logic.
The second metaphor sets up an image ->that its ineptitude, its egregious tactless and irrational choices of directors of its committees, operates in a mechanical (non-reasoning) manner…
Interesting quote from The Canadian Islamic Congress.
“should be given a reasonable and respectful chance”
I believe it is very truthful. Muslims do crave respect.
Unfortunate that they don’t understand that they won’t achieve it by morphing into Mike Tyson.
Rex Murphy has written thus:“[The oil-for-food scandal] was far worse than the most egregious scandals of recent days. The excesses and graft of Enron and Worldcom cannot claim as excuse that they occurred in an environment of abundance. But not even the rapacious capitalists of Enron or Worldcom built their Aspen retreats or fattened their grotesquely tumid bank accounts from money intended for children’s medicine.
The very first sentence is an absolute falsehood.
Addicted to the celebrity gossip news cycle as he is, Rex Murphy appears unable to conceive of a scandal-standard against which he might measure the so-called ‘Oil-for-Food’ scandal, other than Enron or Worldcom.
Whatever Murphy thinks, such scandal-standards as the Oil-for-Food operation might have met pale in comparison, of course, to the monies that have flowed under the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.
Of course, official ‘Oil-for-Food’-type investigations aren’t usually launched into the financial dealings of the ‘victors’ and their friends at Halliburton; Kellogg Brown & Root, etc. Therefore, the corrupt dealings of those on the ‘right’ side of history never come under inspection, even when–as in these cases–they are orders of magnitude more significant than those of people and businesses who end up under official scrutiny.
Not that Murphy, who wouldn’t know a journalistic instinct if it sidled up to him in a bar and offered him a beer, would even think to question whether the media was offering him a true picture of the range of scandal then operating in the world. Of course, he wouldn’t.
However, that such a writer–wilfully blind to his own limitations as he obviously is–would pronounce with such absoluteness on the magnitude of the so-called ‘Oil-for-food’ scandal, while ignoring so many other facts–tells us all we need to know about Rex Murphy’s weak committment to the truth.
That’s what I’ve done to one sentence of one of Murphy’s essays.
I’ll do more, if challenged.
Murphy and his supporters will not come off well.
Well I think ‘cauldron of impotence’ and ‘factory of tactlessness’ are brilliant, along with (not by Mr. Murphy) bureausclerosis via sinecure, and interminable dissertations of paraphrastic circumloction. So, I’ll leave it at that. Sorry to get carried away with the logophilia thing again, Kate.
Meanwhile, Stephen, your comment that “Murphy, who wouldn’t know a journalistic instinct if it sidled up to him in a bar” is if not ad hominem, certainly silly. As you wish, it’s your reputation at stake, not mine. May a loan you a shovel?
Stephen, bigger than this?
Courtesy of Washington Times
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry complains that President Bush pursued a unilateralist foreign policy that gave short shrift to the concerns of the United Nations and our allies when it came to taking military action against Saddam Hussein. But the mounting evidence of scandal that has been uncovered in the U.N. Oil For Food program suggests that there was never a serious possibility of getting Security Council support for military action because influential people in Russia and France were getting paid off by Saddam. After the fall of Baghdad last spring, France and Russia tried to delay the lifting of sanctions against Iraq and continue the Oil for Food program. That’s because France and Russia profited from it: The Times of London calculated that French and Russian companies received $11 billion worth of business from Oil for Food between 1996 and 2003….more at
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040321-101405-2593r.htm
On 2003-11-16 in the National Post, upon the coronation of Mr. Martin as Prime Minister, Andrew Coyne wrote, “This is a time of renewal in the national governing party, of change and growth. Out with the old: an elderly millionaire lawyer from Quebec with close ties to the Demarais family. In with the new: an elderly millionaire lawyer from Quebec with close ties to the Demarais family. What a contrast with the previous regime, led by Brian Mulroney, a youthful millionaire lawyer from Quebec with close ties to the Demarais family.”
Total Fina and Banc Parabas are up to their necks in the UNOFF frauds. Demarais. Strong. Power Corp. Chretian. The Old Canada oligarchy. French. Catholic.
And now we have the protestant accountant from Alberta going through the books. He’s making a list (of five points), and checking it twice: Santa Harper is coming to town.
You can see why some people are terribly afraid, and are trying to stop him from delivering their lump of coal.
May 16th is next. Mark it on your calendars.
U.N. Oil-for-Food Scandal
Would You Trust These Men with $64bn of Your Cash? Of Course Not
By Mark Steyn
The Telegraph (UK)
February 6, 2005
At tough times in my life, with the landlord tossing my clothes and record collection out on to the street, I could have used an aunt like Benon Sevan’s. Asked to account for the appearance in his bank account of a certain $160,000, Mr. Sevan, executive director of the UN Oil-for-Food programme, said it was a gift from his aunt. Lucky Sevan, eh? None of my aunts ever had that much of the folding stuff on tap.
And nor, it seems, did Mr Sevan’s. She lived in a modest two-room flat back in Cyprus and her own bank accounts gave no indication of spare six-figure sums. Nonetheless, if a respected UN diplomat says he got 160,000 bucks from Auntie, we’ll just have to take his word for it. Paul Volcker’s committee of investigation did plan to ask the old lady to confirm her nephew’s version of events, but, before they could, she fell down an elevator shaft and died.
If you’re a UN bigshot, or the son of Kofi Annan, or the cousin of Boutros Boutros-Ghali, or any of the other well-connected guys on the Oil-for-Fraud payroll, $160,000 is pretty small beer. But, if you’re a starving kid in Ramadi or Nasariyah, it would go quite a long way. Instead, the starving-kid money went a long way in the opposite direction, to the Swiss bank accounts of Saddam’s apologists. “The Secretary-General is shocked by what the report has to say about Mr Sevan,” declared Kofi Annan’s chief of staff, Britain’s own Mark Malloch Brown.
That’s how bad things are at the UN: even the Brits sound like Claude Rains. Of course, the Secretary-General isn’t “shocked” at all. And nor are the media, which is why the major news organisations can barely contain their boredom with the biggest financial scam of all time �C bigger than Enron, Worldcom and all the rest rolled into one. If ever there were a dog-bites-man story, “UN Stinkingly Corrupt Shock!” is it.
“Of course, official ‘Oil-for-Food’-type investigations aren’t usually launched into the financial dealings of the ‘victors’ and their friends at Halliburton”
What, are you kidding me?
Halliburton hasn’t been investigated?
BCL – I’m going to request to cease and desist from posting this continuing drive-by drivel until you’ve personally visited the UN site and read the presentation on Iraq’s unaccounted for WMD’s – given by Hans Blix in January 2003.
Report back when you’ve find it, and tell it what he told them about Iraq’s level of compliance.
And no, I’m not giving you the link. It’s time you learned how to actually find reputable sources for yourself. Because God knows, it’s a skill that’s eluded you before now.
I mean that.
Meanwhile, Stephen, your comment that “Murphy, who wouldn’t know a journalistic instinct if it sidled up to him in a bar” is if not ad hominem, certainly silly. As you wish, it’s your reputation at stake, not mine. May a loan you a shovel?
Again, vetruvius, your shaky grasp of the ad hominem concept being what it is, I’m almost reluctant to embarrass you by pointing out that anyone who implicitly claims knowledge of certain facts (e.g the pseudo-journalist Rex Murphy), should also expect to, umm, actually have challenged their knowledge of such facts and their significance.
That is, if Murphy presents himself–as he routinely does–as a critical thinker willing to tell the hard truths when others are not, then Murphy himself should be willing to tell the same hard truths, and provide the relevant evidence.
The same goes for you, vetruvius, and your allies.
If you’re not willing to meet that standard, however, then we all know what to think of you.
‘C’ is for crazy? callous? craven? cannibal? corrupted? Certainly not Canadian.
The savages that run the Congress support the savages in Iran, real Canadians don’t.
So, what do you think of me? That I don’t play three-card monte? Shell game, anyone? Not me, thanks.
Oh, and I don’t want to put too fine point on it, but people who consistently misspell other posters’ names are to some degree abrogating serious consideration of their opinions, by indicating a general lack of care and consideration for others that is only common grace.
Rex Murphy doesn’t do that, as will have been noted by people who have actually listened to him over time, rather than just responding illogically to the particular quotes I selected at the start of this thread. The man is a classic Canadian centrist. Those who can’t at least half agree with him are extremists.
if Rex was made “visiting news announcer” on CBC, say every friday to sort of “wrap things up” for the first 30 minutes of their… um.. “news” instead of the last few minutes, then maybe their “news” wouldn’t suck so much.
but until then… while I like Rex, it’s just that I find I have to sit through so much shit to get to the good stuff.
and I rarely do.
I had a look at the CIC site, and nowhere and I mean nowhere do I see any links to “Islamic Dating” or “available women” what’s up with that?
I did read the other day of the man that has taken the Western Standard to the Human Rights Tribunal has now started his own moslem newspaper in Alberta…
well if you can’t beat them…
anyone here “offended” by this?
offended enough to complain?
Looks like the “nuclear renaissance” has arrived:
After Eight Years As No. 2 At UN, Frechette Moves On To Join Research Centre
March 31, 2006
…Frechette is leaving the UN to lead a research project on nuclear energy and proliferation at the Centre for International Governance Innovation in Waterloo, Ont.
Last year, Frechette came under fire in Paul Volcker’s investigation into the oil-for-food program for Iraq. Annan and Frechette were accused of tolerating corruption and management failures…
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=39917806-a152-4a7f-8ec0-de69bd0bde8f&k=83506
The Centre for International Governance Innovation
April 10, 2006
News
…Next month, Fr�chette begins a two-year term at the governance centre, an international relations and policy think-tank. She’ll be working on a major research project on nuclear energy and the world’s security.
…Specifically, Fr�chette will look at civilian nuclear energy and the impact that a rising number of nuclear power plants will have on the world’s security.
“I think there will be an increase because of a very high energy demand,” Fr�chette said. “And I think more and more countries are now inclined to consider the nuclear energy option, and Canada is certainly one of those.”…
http://www.cigionline.org/news/cigi_news/from_un_to_waterloo.php
AECL unveils group of nuclear partners
…No ACR has yet been sold worldwide, but AECL hopes to use a new plant in Ontario as a springboard for international sales. Without Ontario, the Crown corporation’s future business plan is on the line…
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1143240611030&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851
Saddam Paid “Arab Fedayeen”
The latest translation from jveritas indicates that during the Iraq war, Saddam paid the “Arab Fedayeen” volunteers–i.e., terrorists–just as he paid members of Iraq’s own military. This document is dated April 4, 2003. For reference, it was April 9, 2003, when Baghdad fell and the statues of Saddam were toppled:
In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate Republic Of Iraq Directorate of the General Military Intelligence No 9/39/1/
Date: 4 April 2003 + more
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618519/posts
via http://www.powerlineblog.com/
“Love to see the UN come to Canada, to Toronto if possible. As would most Canadians.”
“Love to see BCL banished from Canada, at least from this site if possible. As would most Canadians.”
Idiot Liberal. Wait, that was redundant.
Although I haven’t had the pleasure (?) of listening to Rex Murphy lately, I have to say a few things I’ve observed about this chap. First, why use a sentence when a paragraph full of big words will make it sound more important. and secondly, after getting rid of all the fluff I find Mr Murphy’s opinions to be generally valid.
As to the UN, I agree with most here and Rex, “Why do we still have this Old Dictator’s Club around?” Their actions would be considered laughable if not for the billions of dollars wasted and the counless lives snuffed out while these idiots decide on the number of bidets that should be installed in the executive washroom of the Sec General. Heaven help the world if there is a world crisis or war on TGIF. Ask General Delaire about that. I would really like to know of something the UN has done that was actually of use that couldn’t be done cheaper and/or more effectively by a coalition of interested parties.
“Murphy who wouldn’t know a journalistic instinct if it sidled up to him in a bar.”
Besides the imagery making no sense whatsoever –
Sidle, v.i. Walk obliquely, esp. in timid or cringing manner –
“…we all know what to think of you.” Indeed.
Here is a link to Donald Trump talking to the US Congress about the UN remodel plan.
“You guys are going to love this!”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449112/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
“…link to Donald Trump talking to the US Congress about the UN remodel plan….”
Wow….”You’re fired” keeps ringing in my ears.
Moving the UN out of New York City requires that the organization have a new location. I suggest the following as good sites, close to airports and cheap costs compared to NYC:
Novosibirsk, Russia
Ulan Bator, Mongolia
Tirane, Albania
Alice Springs, Australia
Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso
Yellowknife, Canada
Guam, US Trust Territory
Iquitos, Peru
Porto Velho, Brazil
Philadelphia, Paraguay
Assyria, Kansas, USA
There is at least one alternative for each continent, just to be PC about such things.
chsw
I love Rex Murphy’s little editorials. Or did when I still subjected myself to the CBC.
But he’s painfully verbose hosting Cross Country Checkup.
chsw, good choices all, but the hands down winner has to be Gaza.
Let the UN thugs and weasels live with their beloved balestinians. It’s a match made in heaven.
Oh, and I don’t want to put too fine point on it, but people who consistently misspell other posters’ names are to some degree abrogating serious consideration of their opinions, by indicating a general lack of care and consideration for others that is only common grace.
Well, Vitruvius, I do apologize for misspelling your online pseudonym. As someone who routinely has his name misspelled, I should be more careful.
That said, the following quote (from you), in addition to your other posts, doom any claim you might have to be a defender of ‘logic,’ as you have presented yourself elsewhere in this thread:
Rex Murphy doesn’t do that [what, you don’t say], as will have been noted by people who have actually listened to him over time, rather than just responding illogically to the particular quotes I selected at the start of this thread. The man is a classic Canadian centrist. Those who can’t at least half agree with him are extremists.
As someone who has listened to and read Murphy for many years, I would say that not once have you come close to successfully proving my responses either to you or to the gaseous Rex Murphy were illogical.
What’s more, you’ve opened yourself to attack on any number of logical grounds by arguing that those who can’t ‘at least half’ agree with Murphy are ‘extremists’ (your term).
Not that you’re likely to be bothered by such facts, your feeble commitment to logic being what it is.
You take me far to seriously, sir.