During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran’s forces were no match for Saddam Hussein’s professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child’s neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.
Point well taken, lookout. One need not look farther than the liberal protection of and hysteria over the partial birth abortion issue. They want no restrictions on it. No life saving measure as the criterion. Just pure unfettered choice. Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, the rabid NOW hags and followers, etc.
“Love children”, but don’t mind crushing their fully formed and fully functional skulls in the third trimester?!!!
Leftists of that ilk are unprincipled hypocrits and dhimmi fodder. They are the useful idiots that history records in every conflict of good vs evil.
D’accord, penny. Thanks for your post.
Of course the schools were similar in the sense that they both taught children things.
Our armies were similar to theirs too — we both had officers and men, divisions and battalions, etc. Their subs had torpedoes and so did ours. Our planes flew on gas or aviation fuel and by golly, theirs did too.
The difference is what was taught and what the respective military formations were used for. One to murder and enslave and wipe out a whole people and the other to protect free people and to liberate others and to stop a horrific historic and human evil.
Big difference.
And don’t even get me started on defending Trudeau… that ain’t gonna happen here. One, I don’t like the man, two, his driving around Quebec in a motorbike with a Nazi uniform on during WW2 doesn’t lead me to be sympathetic to him, and three, did I mention I don’t like the man?
Trudeau was a disaster for Canada, for the West, and for thought in our schools… I still daily have to flush out the crap that they tried to teach me made some sense (but it didn’t) as a result of Trudeau’s socialist Utopia.
No man that supported Mao and Stalin, who played around with National Socialism, who refused to support Canada in World War 2, or who is friends with Fidel Castro Cuba’s communist dictator, for that matter, should ever have been the Prime Minister of Canada.
They chained groups of 10-12 kids together, and forced them to walk ahead of the armour, to clear the anti-tank mines….
Chris, I think you are conflicted. YOu are on the right track, but you have this morality you try to overlay where it shouldn’t be bothered with.
The children of Islam are Isalm and islam is our mortal enemy. The men, women and children of that so called society are all the same. They are of single mind. You are of two minds. You excuse their children but condemn the parents. You think the children of Islam are somehow like our children. They are not. It is pitiful, but not excusable.
In that country, kids of 14 are not entering the 15 or 20 year adolescence that ours do. They don’t go to high school and college and party down till they are thirty years old then expect mom and and dad to financially make up those lost years for them. Those Islamic kids live for nothing but to destroy us and praise Allah. They are considered adults in their own world and are treated as such.
Perhaps we have less to fear from their five and six year olds, but that is only because they are too small to carry a decent sized payload and are less likely to be sent out on a mission alone. It would be a bit strange even in their twisted world to have a five year old walking around without a full grown adult to hold their hand. They would be suspect even if only as a lost child. So they must wait their turn.
YOu have a soft spot for kids and I do too. But I am not naive enough to ignore Islamic children as a major threat and devious weapon used against us.
I agree with Penny and Lookout where they are concerned for the guilt-free murders of third trimester babies. Yet the Liberals who condone and rabidly fight for the right to suck them out of their wombs is hard to reconcile even for an old Atheist Republican like me.
We must not let ‘soft spots’ become the chink in our armor. We must be tough and unforgiving. That is what our enemies are. We must rise to that challenge if we are to win.
Moral relevance taught in our schools are chinks enough to deal with. We have a very long way to go to turn around this lunacy and get our society to have some self-reliance and pride in what we are … we (western society) are indeed better than most other cultures and should be able to say so.
Why is it that evey other culture on the planet except for the Muslim world is trying to get and have what we have. Freedom, prosperity and peace.
China, India, Korea, Japan (is there already) Russia faked it for awhile but lacked the will. Some Counries are too backward to even get it started and keep drifting back to the illusion of the Marxist utopia. However, without Capitalist funding they have no chance. Other enjoy the security of their depot’s lies.
Some in countries in South America think they can get their wealth by electing cocaine growers preside over the selling of drugs to America … Now what kind of society is that? We are so much better than they are in so many respects. Only a socialist moral relativist could not agree.
Yes, Duke, I excuse all the children: They are children.
I don’t even believe in killing all the parents. Did we kill all the Germans or Japanese or Italians? We didn’t. We didn’t even kill all the Nazis or Imperial Way militarists or fascists.
We conquered them and showed mercy.
You’re describing something akin to genocide and I (and Canada) will never support it.
We were able to defeat the Germans, Italians and so on because it was a conventional war. Beat their armies and you beat them. They surrendered.
This is not the case with Islam. There is no convential army, there are millions of combatants who follow an idea … a religious dogma NOT A LEADER. You can’t kill Allah so you must kill his followers. It is the opposite kind of fight than we are used to.
You still don’t get it and it appears you never will.
Your thinking would put us in a snake pit with the task of trying to decided which ones are poisonous. Rmember, baby snakes can be poisonous too.
If we lose, just before they hack your big old bald off, or when you stick your face of the floor of a mosque for the fifth time that day … think of what I have said here.
If we win, you can keep your dellusions.
So your position is that we should kill all Muslim men, women, and children?
Chris, if you read closely what Duke wrote he did not suggest genocide. He simply noted the difference in the values/mores/culture of Islamic children vs Western children at this time and place in the backdrop of militant Islamic fundamentalism today.
I think you are being very loose in your analysis of what was written by Duke.
You’ve repeated that no one in Canada would support genocide when genocide isn’t suggested. Is there some reason you won’t let go of that?
Penny, if you were able to read, as well as open your eyes, you would understand that Duke said this:
“You can’t kill Allah so you must kill his
followers. It is the opposite kind of fight than
we are used to.
“You still don’t get it and it appears you never
will.
“Your thinking would put us in a snake pit with
the task of trying to decided which ones are
poisonous. Rmember, baby snakes can be poisonous
too.”
– Duke
Taken alone or coupled with his other comments, these seem clearly to be advocating genocide … hence my question to Duke, which remains open for clarification, acknowledgement, or retraction.
“War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.”
William Tecumseh Sherman
“We can make war so terrible, and make them so sick of war, that generations will pass away before they again appeal to it. War is cruel. The more cruel it is, the sooner it will end. Let us give them all they want.”……. William Tecumseh Sherman
Demographically the savages have us beat, they’re breeding like rats, we have no choice but to go nuclear. Thankfully that whack-o dude in charge of Iran is working hard to give us an excuse to nuke the whole lot of them.
Rats this was a good discussion today and had to miss most of it.
The discussion as I see it is about war and the use of or murder of children for your own ends in a war.
Although I agree with you on abortion that is a issue where one individual makes a choice on one life and not where an unrelated group like the government mandates the slaughter of innocents.
My point is weather slow to act or quick off the mark the West eventually tries to do something to protect the innocent. I believe abortion falls into a different catagory it is not sending off children that are consious to the world around them to the minefields or butchering 1000’s with machetes in the streets. Those acts will send the West to War.
And as I said earlier children die in war. It is a sad fact of life. Any war with Iran will from our point to a large degree be a air war. Children will die and there is nothing any one can do about it.
Duke said:
“I don’t believe Hitler youth were
used as suicide bombers. If so, it was rare. I never heard of it myself.”
Well my father was in the Hitler Youth and attended sniper school in January 1944; destined for the Russian Front.
If you think that wasn’t suicide; you are quite mistaken! Outnumbered in some cases up to 20 to 1 isn’t suicide?
In any case, my father didn’t go to the dreaded eastern front but due to last minute changes wound up on the western front instead and faced off against the “Tommies”. Seeing as my father was born in 1929 he got to do the full meal deal with Adolf and company.
Virtually all the Hitler Youth posted to the eastern front were either killed in action, suicide, or liquidated upon capture. On the western front odds of survival were only marginally better.
What can you say about a regime that would send 10 year olds into battle? Same old shit, different century.
“Japan was never an insane religious theocracy bent on destroying the entire western world. They were mistaken and then made it right. An example of taking us up on the invitation to join our world.”
That is quite a GEM! I am not sure what history books you have been reading, but they definitely are not balanced!
CDN
And your history book says ? So far you have said nothing.
I have said Japan is not a religious theocracy- True
They were not bent of destroying the rest of the world’s societies … True (just helping Hitler get rid of freedom)
They made it right by surrendering unconditionally and they joining the free capitalist democratic world. All True!
In fact they made it right by giving the world products that were second to none. True
So Let’s hear your story if you have one.
Seems to me we have a different sort of war. Nietzsche prophesized that in a hundred years the war would be cultural. That is what we have here. Seems to me you won’t win an a cultural war with bombs–it’s like shooting a gun at a cloud. In fact, you might spread the mental “virus” even worse, Like The Cat in the Hat. Communism died because the Soviet Union failed as an empirical experiment and the overwhleming tide of scientific and economic inquiry supported capitalism and undermined the rationale for communism (as a viable economic paradigm). NOt many shots were fired at the Soviet Union.
I am not saying we should not fight Islamic terrorists with arms. But it seems the long war will be fought in the theatre of ideas, memes and research. The strength of the West has been rationalism, empiricism and creativity. We should draw on our strengths. Again, I do not advocate ignoring the military aspect–but even the US military is rethinking what a war means and the tactical role of managing the formation and spread of ideas (beyond crude propoganda).
The difference between a human child and a baby snake is that the behaviour of a snake is hardwired. Humans have genetic hardwiring, but the unstated premise of this thread is that we are not hardwired to be evil (i.e., the West is not evil), and so I do not see the case for saying Islamic children must necessarily become and remain evil. Doubtless some will, in fact, but you are a few light years from convincing me all will or that Islamic societies should be egged on to annihilate their youth.
Murray, as I see it, the biggest “strength of the West” has been our ability to win at warfare – that simple Anglo-Saxon trait that has served us well if you review the last few centuries. Who won out over evil?
Offering you basic Muslim the elegance of art, literature, or the principles of the Enlightenment hasn’t worked. It isn’t like millions of them haven’t been exposed as immigrants in Europe and here.
Dream on, my friend.
Forget hard-wired. No one has proved homicide is genetic or wired. The Islamic child by nurture is many more times likely to be a homicidal jihadist than our kids. Visit LGF’s site for a weekly update on Islamofascist child abuse – teaching kiddies to hate and kill.
Iran’s provocations, just begging for a military response, aren’t in the best interest of their children.
Your simple platitudes aren’t holding up well against what is going on in the world. Kids are expendable in the ME, especially girls of all ages.
Why do you think the West wins the wars? It is a culture that innovates, based on respect for innovators, as individuals, which motivates innovators as communitarians, and respect for rationalism and empiricism. Look at the role of mathematics and physics in World War II (Enigma, Atomic bomb). Look how the Israelis innovated to defeat the Syrians. I see this scientific rationalism as intrinsic to Western culture and its success.
What we now need to innovate is how to transform a culture. I do not equate culture in this sense (nior Nietzsche) with opera, literature or other enternainments of choice, as though touring museums would “better” them Waht a laugh to even suggest. What is required are means affecting how that culture shapes and expresses values, in the sense an ethnological anthropologist studies. It means junking politically correct cultural relativity and innovate effective means of becoming an agent of change within that culture. Plainly the Islamic culture is incapable of achieving this on its own, in the way Christainity has transformed itself for the most part. It has to be a meme-war, not an opera appreciation course.
I agree the kids in the middle eats are being nurtured to kill. That is my point. How does that prove they should be exterminated. How about nurturing them in another direction–that’s the thing about most kids, they remain impresisonable. I vote against exterminating their children or cheering their self-destruction as hapless minions to terrorist groups and I see my vote as a direct product of Western scientific rationalism.
Murray: “I agree the kids in the middle eats [sic] are being nurtured to kill. That is my point. How does that prove they should be exterminated. How about nurturing them in another direction–that’s the thing about most kids, they remain impresisonable. I vote against exterminating their children or cheering their self-destruction as hapless minions to terrorist groups and I see my vote as a direct product of Western scientific rationalism.”
Gee, what a great idea. And I wish we were all altruistic billionaires!
Murray, how do you propose to effect this miracle you’d like to see come to pass?
I’m a teacher of North American “barbarians” of whom I’m extremely fond. I spend long hours with these kids. I constantly affirm them by setting high standards and, incrementally, seeing that my students come ever closer to achieving them. But I also talk about their almost unrelenting rudeness, to each other and me–largely unintentional, but, as I point out to them, in the end–if the self-control’s not there–the behaviour’s impolite.
Despite my “nurturing them in another direction”–AND their parents haven’t deliberately incited my students to be the often uncouth children they are–the gains seem to be diminishing: The cultural factors that affect the behaviour of kids today are extremely powerful.
Murray, your intentions are worthy. But, I’m sorry to say, your thesis is naively simplistic and altogether unrealistic.
How does that prove they should be exterminated
Murray, you’ve really jumped the shark. Who said anything about exterminating ME kids, for God’s sake? It’s a cheap trick or poor comprehension to draw that conclusion.
I’m for exterminating Islam. Period. The Koran is the culture. It has failed by every metric for the past thousand years the qualities that make a civil society. Do you think any rational westerner would want their daughters subjugated to that crap?
How are we going to “nurture” these kids “in another direction” if we aren’t their parents? You think foreign aid or tv is a mother and father?
Murray, grow up. Drop the “nior Nietzsche” and “a meme-war”(?) age related garbage. Are you kidding? Show me a tyrannt in history brought down by a “meme”. It wins no points except to expose your youth and muddled thinking.
Bush won’t exclude Iran nuke strike
Reuters – 49 minutes ago
By Saul Hudson. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States on Tuesday failed to secure international support for targeted sanctions against Iran and President George W. Bush refused to rule out nuclear strikes … +
via google news
Penny, you’re being intellectually dishonest and willfully blind, as always. Killing of Muslim kids was clearly called for here.
Put simply, you’re lying.
Excuse me, Chris, but my reply to Murray was to this specific question/statement addressed to me……“How does that prove they should be exterminated.(?)“. I responded with the understanding that he understood me to have proposed or condoned extermination of kids. Anyone not following the thread closely could easly have inferred that. Hence, my response to him.
I am not a liar. And you are fast and loose playing with context in calling me that.
Put simply, you’re a jerk.
You never called for the extermination of kids, Penny. Previously, you were stating that Duke didn’t when it appeared clearly that he did.
I figured you were continuing that indefensible chain of thought — indefensible, at least, unless and until Duke decides to clarify or retract his statements, which he hasn’t, despite my call for him to do so. He’s entitled to his opinion.
I understand now that you used the term “Who said…” as a figure of speech to describe yourself and not literally “who” (the clear answer apparently being Duke).
Can we get Fundamentalists in this country to do the same?