Or – “First day at math class”.
Heh.(pdf)
That’ll teach him for blocking Saskatchewan government computers from accessing SDA… (or so I”m told).
Or – “First day at math class”.
Heh.(pdf)
That’ll teach him for blocking Saskatchewan government computers from accessing SDA… (or so I”m told).
Wow. That HAD to have been written by students. Not based on content, mind you. Note that the first nine and the last page have little or no actual “content”. And the margins have been jigged. So I’m guessing that it’s really only a six-page paper, turned into almost 20. It could only have been written by students.
Remarkable, isn’t it Kate?!
By the way, keep up the good work on your blog! Sincerely, I enjoy reading it very much. You always give me something to think about!
From a devoted reader.
Kate, you are a cold hearted, cruel women! *sniff*
Bless you!
Is that a young Lorne Calvert holding up the big sign ????
I believe that picture was originally on the cover of the sheaf.
oh how lorne’s ways have changed…
Yeah, looks to be written by young students who haven’t yet learned to really, really think and understand complex stuff. I remember my days at university, struggling to figure out everything. That place pretty much drove me nuts, but I figured out how to “play the game” and do well without spinning my wheels like most others were. I realized that most of the stuff I was having to learn for the business degree, I would never need, like calculus. Right… still haven’t used it even once at ten years out and can’t remember how to do it either. Sigh… of course, I’m no number cruncher, anyway. Much of the stuff… no point in knowing it, unless you’re going to do something with it in the future, so I developed a mental trick to learn as much as possible in as short a time as possible to do well on exams but without retention of the material in the grey matter in the long run. Happened by accident. Imagine learning a month’s worth of calculus in 90 minutes, downing lots of coffee, (I had neglected studying and everything up to the last moments before the midterm) and getting an A- on the midterm pertaining to it. Yet I remember not a damn thing! LOL
Point is, I’ve learned far more on my own than I ever did in school and university. And way, way faster, too.
Classes just slow down the thought process, as far as I found. Bored me out of my mind!
Ah, well, I’m afraid I don’t get the point of this post, so that’s what I was inspired to say anyway.
BTW, Kate, if you find the Sask. gov’t computers are blocked from accessing SDA, that’s normal. When I worked for the CRA, my own desk PC could only access government internet websites (including the CBC, natch) for online security purposes. But there were other PCs in the complex available for regular internet surfing. And I’ve noticed that plenty of visits to my site come from gov’t. IP addresses, including the House of Commons and the SCOC, among others. Yep, they’re watching us! Creepy, ain’t it? I made fun of Rabinovitch’s falling off of his chair and immediately got visited by the CBC. I criticized the SCOC’s Chief Justice and got visited by the SCOC. Remember, they’re watching.
BTW, wonder who’s the guy blowing his nose?
The guy blowing his nose… is it Mr. C. J. Mullan, the guy who commented above? Sounds like it.
As someone with experience with really tough student loans, I think income contingent repayment is a godsend. It allows you to spread your debt over a longer period of time (if you want) and it also imposes discipline. They claim that it saddles low-income people with debt, but that is already the case with student loans.
It seems from this paper that they actually don’t think people should re-pay their loans, as that is a burden on university grads who don’t get well-paying jobs.
Taxpayers already pay up to 70 per cent of university education. What more do they want?
Hmm… last time I tried I could access SDA 🙂
What more do we want? similar tuition rates to the rest of the country. the national average is around $4000 where the sask. average is nearing $5000. sask tuition the last 10 years has gone up 4 times faster than inflation. Being an engineering student im not as worried about paying off debt as some but still.
Hey, cool it, Johnnie Pockets, I happen to adjust margins and spacing to fit in *more* content. 2500 words isn’t enough to develop an interesting thesis. 11.5 font, 1.2 margins on either end and 1.85 spacing means ~30% (estimated) more content while still looking like 12, 1.25 and 2.0. You just have to find out whether or not the profs or TAs marking them take out rulers to catch sneaky buggers like me.
I would, however, venture to argue that the structure reinforces the idea that it was written by leftist students. Thousands of members across the country, and their collective efforts can come up with this pathetic excuse for a pdf. It’s like that PW poster, with the World Workers’ Party, where one guy’s sitting on the ground with a sign that says, “The last thing we actually do is work.”
I only have one source for that, so if someone can confirm that access is being blocked, or not, that would be appreciated.
You’d think that if SDA is worthy of being slagged in the Leg, the least they can do is let their poor employees in on what they’re talking about….
“This year students count”. Well then, he should have used students to count the online “poll” – might have got an accurate answer.
I suppose SDA is blocked from gubmint ‘puters by that “security moat” they dug out in a big hurry last fall.
I see the fellow covering up with the mask found the trailing stench of hypocritical left-wing statism overwhelming even back then. Plus ca change…
yea man this year we count, cool!! um, can someone please remind me what it was we did last year?
Last year we learned to go potty all by ourselves
Please, please, please, Kate, continue to hold their feet to the fire.
A couple of questions: Why was SDA blocked on government computers? How long were they blocked?
Could it be to hide a conservative voice from people they can control like automatrons? Or is it because you’ve outted them on such travesties such as that fake public opinion poll they were flogging as truth?
Dan: So a four year program at $5,000 might cost $20,000 minimum — if you are an average university grad that buys you a lifetime of above-average earnings and hopefully a pension when you are old.
Find me stock that pays that kind of return and I’m all over it.
And if that gets a little rich for you, perhaps the trades are more your style. There is endless demand, probably for the next 20 years, and the initial cost is minimal.
I don’t understand what precisely the difference is between a 19 year old borrowing to invest in his own education and a 19 year old borrowing to invest in his own small business…
Except that when the first is subsidized, there’s less invested in actually going through and finishing the project.
When I went to college there were two basic types of students – those who were there on their own dime, and those who were there on government subsidy. It was a pretty evem split. By years end everyone who had paid out of their own (or parents) pockets finished the course, and every student who dropped out was in the second category. We probably lost half of them.
These children have got to be kidding. I dont have a problem paying for MY childs education but there is no way in hades I want to pay for someones elses responsibilities. If these people actually cared about their own education they would be paying for it at a real school and not getting a usless and fake one at a commie indoctrination centres. UNBELEIVABLE.
wow . . . 34 years of victimization in action
Gotta love it
Socialists . . steal from anyone so I can be better off.
David, $5000 is just tuition, and an average at that. Don’t forget books, and for the unlucky farm boys like me who can’t live with mommy and daddy in the city – add in rent and living expenses. I’ll be pushing $60,000 of debt when im done (all income from decent summer jobs accounted for)
Not to sound whiney because like I said earlier I’m not worried about it since my area of study will likely lead to a decent job. Still $60,000 is a lot.
The CFS Lobby group is rediculous in itself and yet this little submission includes the USSU even tho we aren’t a member – UofS is a member of CASA – go figure :S
oh BTW if its tough to swallow that 70% of post secondary is tax payers money how much of a waste is 100% of public grade school funding? – just playin 😉
Wow, the paranoia. Hits from Government IPs means they are “Watching” and not reading like normal human beings on their breaks?
I agree, Kate, and I’m a student. “Students,” despite their lovey-feeley language about the evils of profits and the wonders of higher education, are usually an elitist group of ninnies. I’m the only person I know at my university who doesn’t have at least one university-educated parent. Despite their support for “the workers,” they still feel that they, with their degrees, should be making more than the unionized service staff who work at the university.
They don’t want inclusive education, they want cheaper education for themselves.
Places with free education like France and Germany have a far smaller ratio of university-educated individuals than do the US or Canada precisely because they rely on some kind of streamlining process to cope with the fact that they can’t possibly fund every student who wants to go to university. Student loans are a pain in the ass, but being shut out because of your grades (even if you have a learning disability) … well, that’s forever.
Tuition freezes mean more time spent in university, at least out in BC, because universities have no way to raise the additional revenue to build new buildings or hire new profs to accomodate the influx of students. The result is that you are only able to take 60% of your average courseload each year (if you get in), meaning you take an extra three years or so to graduate. That, for students, is worse overall. Cost of living doesn’t go down for students, but you’re stuck paying it without the capacity to earn that you would get from a degree.
Those *at* university always want cheaper tuition. The difference is that they’re *in* university. It’s been proven that cost is not an obstruction to university precisely because there are so many means (loans etc) you can use to pay for it.
I’d also like to point out that the earning potential of a degree is like the earning potential of a business. The earning potential of, say, a chemical engineering degree is generally far greater than the power of a degree in, say, social work or philosophy or my own major of history. It’s like the difference between investing in a gay bar in the NWT or a gay bar in Toronto-Danforth. Most students just don’t consider that far ahead, though.
David and Kate, paying the way so more kids are exposed to more education before they go out into the “real” world isn’t going to hurt. We blow loads of money on other things with way fewer benefits [see: gun registry, ministerial travel]. We can afford to help kids who don’t want it, to help those that NEED it to get the education they want. After all, advanced society thrives by having plenty of people who know paper-trades.
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And just because I found it in my blog while looking back for a Harper prediction I made:
“CBC writes, “Calvert said that is not what happened. He added he doesn’t trust anything called “Small Dead Animals” especially when it encourages people to vote “no” [for a fair resource deal with Ottawa].” He then probably added that Little Green Footballs in no way represents the views of the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and doesn’t trust it either.”
Hey you know if you cannot afford secoundary ed the world needs ditch diggers to ya know.Quit suckin of the taxpayer tit I got enough problems paying for my own kids education.
Interesting about the government computers. I used to be able to access this website from my computer at work, but a few weeks ago I found it had been blocked. Found it curious.
“It’s been proven that cost is not an obstruction to university precisely because there are so many means (loans etc) you can use to pay for it.”
As Stephen Colbert so eloquently put it [approximately], ‘No one should ever run out of money, because there are always more credit cards. It breaks my heart that ordinary people don’t get the credit cards offers in the mail that I do because I’m famous.’
I might be with you on the loans position, but I’ve seen how hard they can be to get, and how unreasonable they are in the cases I’ve seen. Also there’s no finance training from secondary school. People graduate from SK highschools not ever being required to know how to write a check, or take an accounting class. And it should be a requirement to know those sorts of things before getting a diploma because an adult should know how to pay a bill before they have to ask for a loan.
“After all, advanced society thrives by having plenty of people who know paper-trades.”
By paper-trades do you mean working at the Meadow Lake pulp and paper mill… ? 😛
Maybe if so many young people(w/ or w/o post secondary education) didnt leave province we wouldnt feel so bad for helping them get educated.
1st, to Dan. I know an engineer who got laid off and now drives 18 wheelers. Hold on to that dream pal. Nothing like having to work at Wal-Mart to pay off your 60,000 loan. Good luck finding work to pay back that kind of tuition in SK.
1st, I went to school in SK and got an $800 per semester subsidy and still paid $3500 per semester (several years ago). I went to school in Alberta and paid about the same, sans subsidy, but I was actually in a program that had representation from within the industry. In SK all I had was a bunch of guys reading from books. And no jobs to go to when finished.
In California I paid a whooping $250 per semester at College and $1000 in University. And if you think that is the government pitching in you are right, but the absolute bottom of the barrel poverty stricken inner-city guys got a complete free ride. Even with those fantastic rates guess what, only 13% of the people had a college level education.
Now, in comparison, our government funded hostpitals looked a lot like their government funded schools. Old, run down, lacking technical innovation.
PS. Can anyone get the raiseaflag.ca website that Lorne and his “marketing geniuses” contrived last month? It’s offline for me.
“Nothing like having to work at Wal-Mart to pay off your 60,000 loan. Good luck finding work to pay back that kind of tuition in SK.”
thats why ive secured a job through an internship in.. you guessed it alberta oil. its too bad I pay $60k in SK but they can’t provide me with a job to pay that debt off.
Now I get the point of the post.
For the record, I’m about ten years out and still saddled with the student debt, and more. I’m so disappointed with the dearth of opportunity for high-paying jobs in the Maritimes, thanks to the worthless economic policies of the Liberals. Handouts don’t do feck all to get the economic engine going. It’s stalled. Really, one needs to make quite a bit more to really pay the debt down.
What’s the point of all that learned information, if there’s not enough opportunity out there for all those who acquire the qualifications to get into the opportunities? It’s fine to sing the praises of education, but if the bloody socialist state gov’ts aren’t going to take the handcuffs off of the economy, who are they fooling? At least we’re a nation of really well-trained underemployed folks! Better than nothing, I guess, which is apparently the socialist philosophy…
But… enough complaining and whining. I’m no leftist, after all. I can take stock of whatever I’ve been dealt, however shitty it might be, and deal with it like I’ve got a backbone.
raiseaflag.ca went down for the election, mercifilly for Calvert after the thing was shown to be a hoax by SDA.
Altruistic: Your engineer friend must have some emotional or coping problems (speculation) because there are excellent jobs for engineers of all stripes in Canada, you just have to travel to find them.
I graduated a couple of years ago from a university B.Eng engineering program and couldn’t find work for the life of me. So I moved down to Alberta and showed up at a well known job placement agency and immediately received three full time jobs offers. Well paid ($45,000-$55,000 to start), full benefits. And I wasn’t even a good student. They even offered a signing bonus if I would move to Ft.McMurray. The jobs are so easy to find for engineers in Alberta even ex-cons get hired straight out of jail here. Literally.
Your friend just needs to try harder if he even wants to do engineering.
Of course if he is only an Engineering Technologist with a college diploma the story could be different.
A computer enhanced photo that changed the original message which was about striking workers not student fees. Get your facts straight.