The Canadian media and their cohorts on the Liberal-left side of the blogosphere are set to go nuclear in their condemnation of Peter C. Newman. Watch for words like “sleazy”, “dishonest” and “unethical”.
Information in his new book on Brian Mulroney, titled “The Secret Mulroney Tapes” was obtained by secretly taping conversations and phone calls between himself and the former prime minister.
So, fasten your seatbelts and reach for your earplugs. As we have already seen, the white hot lens of political punditry and media scrutiny is about to beam down on Mr. Newman.
Wake me when it starts.
I like this quote:
“Mr. Trudeau’s motivation, according to Mr. Mulroney, was that “He didn’t want anybody to succeed where he had failed. Trudeau’s contribution was not to build Canada but to destroy it, and I had to come in and save it. Three times I’ve achieved unanimity. In 16 years, he couldn’t do it once, the ‘great statesman.’ ”
I’m not sure about Mulroney’s legacy, but he’s bang on about Trudeau.
If you had any doubts before, now you know for sure what Peter C. Newman is. Mulroney still is whatever he was when the Tories went into the wilderness. It must be George Bush’s fault. Yep, that’s it!
(Et tu, Peter?)
All the statements that the media used as clips were pretty bang on. Particularly regarding Trudeau, Chretien and Joe Who. What Kim Campbell was up to I have no idea and the thought of it gives me the willies. As for Mulroney being the best PM ever, that may be stretching it but he was better than his predecessor and everyone since.
Don’t hold your breath too long Kate.
Makes me sick the way some people just will not just out the knives away for the Rt. Hon. M.B. Mulroney.
Um, Peter Newman is a journalist. It makes his taping of coversations a little different than Grewal. Now, if GG had recorded his conversations with the former Liberian dictator he advised, that may be a different story.
Grewal taped live what amounts to bribery Librano$ style and he’s the bad guy?!
The CBC has started already to present this on behalf of the Liberals.They might be on strike, but tonights newscast concerning Newmans book showed not one, but two separate clips of Mr. Mulroney shaking hands with Stephen Harper.
They denigrate Mulroney and immediately try to tie him to Harper. Yellow journalism through the medium of video.
I guess management will still do what it can to protect the Liberals until all of the lefties go back to work. Remember, there might be a strike, but management is as culpable as the employees in the gross institutional corruption which is the CBC today.
It’s time the taxpayers were out of the news business in this country. It is corrupt and now redundant news organization.
The CBC has started already to present this on behalf of the Liberals.They might be on strike, but tonights newscast concerning Newmans book showed not one, but two separate clips of Mr. Mulroney shaking hands with Stephen Harper.
They denigrate Mulroney and immediately try to tie him to Harper. Yellow journalism through the medium of video.
I guess management will still do what it can to protect the Liberals until all of the lefties go back to work. Remember, there might be a strike, but management is as culpable as the employees in the gross institutional corruption which is the CBC today.
It’s time the taxpayers were out of the news business in this country. It is a corrupt and now redundant news organization.
Um, Kelly, you’re sort of missing the point. The point is that GG’s recording was certainly more sureptitious than Newman’s.
Anyway, if the blogosphere wants to continue to hang its hat on the veracity of a man who advised a dictator and hired Rachel Marsden (the second almost certainly worse than the first), then go right ahead.
Nice blog.I read some of you’re articles and they are really nice. But how brutly people killed them.john
Ah so funny. Grewal puts out bits and pieces of his tapes that have been sliced and diced to change the meaning of the conversation and he is a conservative hero. LOLOL
At least Newman has honestly printed what was said. I am sure the media will delight in the warts and all of the tapes. Even Lyin Brian didn’t dispute what he said.
Well surprise, surprise! Mellowrooney has been shown to believe, in his mind, that he is the next best thing to sliced bread.
Hmm.. , a most unusual trait for someone in his profession.
🙂
Cicero
You are correct.
The timing of the special that teh CBC is going to air in Novemember by the same name is too conspicuous.
Mulroney’s secret tapes = Conservative secret agenda
What a load of bull.
Is Newman really a conservative???
Looks like he just pulled a Belinda.
Mr. Loewen, of course, you’re as entitled to your opinion as anyone. Doesn’t mean you’re right, though.
If you wish to believe Mr. Grewal was somehow wrong to tape (for proof of) government corruption/possible criminality simply because he isn’t a “journalist” (as if that’d make him a saint above wrongdoing), then you’re free to do so.
More importantly, if the “journalists” won’t do the right thing for their country, someone must. Grewal very well may be a true patriot.
Besides, you may be a bit over the top with your comment wrt Ms. Marsden.
The RCMP found nothing criminal about the conversations between Grewal and the Libs. And if you think he wouldn’t have jumped if they had made him a big offer than I’ve a bridge for sale.
GG is a cancer in the conservative caucus, a champion player of ethnic politics, and entirely unanswering about his past indiscretions. The caucus would do best to drop him.
Newman knows how to sell his books and sellout his friends, with Black/Amiel he reveals their sexual proclivities and with Mulroney he releases taped conversations, perhaps it has something to do with him being married 3/4 times?, this last one much younger than him, that pension cheque doesn’t go too far with a hottie.
Pretty hash view, Mr. Loewen. But you’re allowed.
Actually, the RCMP simply found no criminality wrt Mr. Grewal’s activities. They didn’t specifically exonerate the Liberals involved.
I wish the Mounties would’ve been clear as to what they decided/found as now it’s anyone’s interpretation.
As far as this citizen is concerned, the tapes are proof of Liberal wrongdoing. To criminal extent. But that’s my take.
That was “harsh”, not “hash”. Whoops.
Had these condemnations of PET and other sleaze bags come from any other source than BM the ex-PM they may have had some validity……however as a cloistered insider who came frome the same Quebec business and political networking crucible as the regime he condemns I find most of the allegations quite laughable and insincere.
It’s like the old political business unit of Powercor, taking a swipe at the new political business unit of powercor.
Cicero said: “but two separate clips of Mr. Mulroney shaking hands with Stephen Harper.
They denigrate Mulroney and immediately try to tie him to Harper. Yellow journalism through the medium of video”
Did they show any clips of Chretien shaking hands with Saddam…or Martin with Moe Strong?
Thought not. This is why CBC struggles for audience and funding.
“Um, Peter Newman is a journalist. It makes his taping of coversations a little different than Grewal.”
Right Pete , thanks for setting the parameters of who is able to bring evidence and who is not in your elitist world of worthy and non.
So elected representatives of our guvment are not allowed to point out a CRIME, but some has-been turncoat hack can use evidence gathered the same way for a smearjob.
Hey Rich. Newsflash: there was no crime committed. Get your head out of your ass. The media went after GG because he’s a duplicitous prick. I am suprised he is not a Liberal, as he has all of the qualifications the blogosphere usually attributes to members of that party: ties to a dictator, questionable hiring practices, and an engagement of ethnic politics.
Well, it took you some time, Peter, but you finally stumbled back to my original point.
“The media went after GG because he’s a duplicitous prick.”
Now, as I said – wait for them not to do the same to Newman. Which of course, translates into only duplicitous pricks who go after our Liberals are worthy of scrutiny.
Had the shoe been on the other foot – had Murphy taped Grewal in the identical conversations, there would have been absolutely no scrutiny of his actions whatsoever – and you know it.
Wake when this one is over. I mean who cares .. these are the elites squabbling over whose ego is bigger and you are all taking the bait.
bright minds discuss ideas
average minds discuss events
small mind discuss people.
What is it we are discussing here ??
This morning Peter Newman explained that he had demanded some documents from Mulroney that he needed for his book. When Mulroney refused to supply these documents on the basis that they would embarass people who were still living, Newman went to his library of tapes. Illegal, probably not. Creepy, you betcha.
In the midst of the politicians of his generation such as Clark, Trudeau, Chretien, and the mighty Kim Campbell, I’m sure that we can forgive Mulroney his delusions of grandeur. Mulroney made have screwed up Meech and Charlettown but at least he tried to unite Canada.
Newman is one of the MSM’s own. They’ll embrace this book because of that, and because they are Trudeaupians. These tapes had to have been edited by Newman, otherwise his book would be the size of your regular Yellow Pages. He’s edited to suit his personal bias, one would assume. More the fool Mulroney for trusting a journalist, even if he did profess to be a friend. I haven’t heard anybody ask whether the tapes were authentic or edited. They’re taking Newman’s version as gospel. By the time Mulroney deserted the ship he’d rammed into an iceberg, and hid behind Campbell’s skirts rather than accept blame, I couldn’t stand the Gucci-ed up prick. But he belonged at Ronald Reagan’s funeral with other heads of state, unlike the clowns who have inhabited 24 Sussex for the last decade or so.
ALmost forgot my reason for being here:
http://opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/09/13/do1302.xml
Another Steyn masterpiece, courtesy of the Daily Telegraph. Totally off topic, but maybe not too far….
Um, Kate, Newman is not a duplicitous prick. He taped Mulroney with his consent. BM knew this was coming.
You’ll also note that Newman is releasing the full set of tapes, unedited. Grewal only did that because of media scrutiny.
I know you see conspiracies under every rock, but give up on GG. He’s a joke, and you make yourself look like a hypocrite and fool for defending him. If he were a Liberal, you’d have gone after him for busing the temples into his wife’s riding for her nomination. And you know it.
“The media went after GG because he’s a duplicitous prick.”
Funny, with a liberal network of “duplicitious pricks” under constant investigation for the past year, the media wants to ignore a cab-min and PMO hack who openly violated 3 if not 4 criminal code statutes (the portions containing the criminal breech in GG’s tapes were never had its integrity disputed by the RCMP or the MSM) the taped conversation that there is dispute over “editing” contains small talk and not the criminal breech.
But please, don’t let fact interfere with your partisan hatreds… you go on living in the happy-land yellow partisan journalism builds for you.
“Mulroney was completely unaware he was being taped most of the time, maintains Lavoie. According to their agreement, Newman would have a monthly recorded interview with the prime minister.”
Mr. Loewen, take a deep breath and push back from your terminal. Don’t allow yourself to pursue this at breakneck speed lest you dig yourself a hole deep enough to require assistance to exit.
Your opinions are very strong, as are those of many. But think carefully, ‘k?
Kate. I think Mulroney’s word probably can’t be taken at face value. Anyway, you don’t know which of these admissions are coming from the office conversations and of from phone calls.
As for GG, there was no criminal wrongdoing on either side. Quit slandering people.
Ya Peter, quit slandering people!!!!
Too funny.
Peter, Peter,
Quit slandering people.
“give up on GG. He’s a joke, and you make yourself look like a hypocrite and fool”
“The media went after GG because he’s a duplicitous prick”
“ties to a dictator, questionable hiring practices, and an engagement of ethnic politics”
“GG is a cancer in the conservative caucus, a champion player of ethnic politics, and entirely unanswering about his past indiscretions.”
Move along, no slander here.
Actually, I think all of those claims are verifiable. So they’re not slanderous.
However, saying Tim Murphy engaged in criminal behaviour, when this has not been proven, and he has not been charged, is slanderous. Sorry, but there’s a difference.
Pardon me, Peter, but many Canadians are quite certain from what they’ve witnessed in terms of proof from the tapes, which are genuine, not forged (otherwise the RCMP would’ve charged Grewal), that there has been criminality, not by GG, but by other players.
No libel here, just discussion of proof, which is concrete here, unless one is a Liberal… in which case it’s falsified, as the paid “experts” claimed without conclusively proving tampering. No wonder so many think the MSM is corrupt.
Deep breaths… you’ll feel better, hopefully.
There’s something desperate about the sheer insanity of Peter Loewen’s lying. Taping conversations is entirely legal and does not require consent, whether you’re a journalist or not. Loewen knows that. He just lies. Gurmant Grewal can demonstrate that he never committed any offence or any wrongful act. Tim Murphy cannot. Loewen knows that. He just lies. Newman did not tell Mulroney that he was being taped and did not get his permission to use the quotes. Loewen knows that. He just lies. Do you think he’s getting paid for this?
Time to call me a racist, I guess, Peter. Harper is scary! Preston Manning’s a damned Christian, er, Stockwell Day! Bush is a chimp! Woof woof, quack quack! Maybe it’ll work, hey, Peter? Not that you have any options, of course.
“Grewal is a joke”
and Tim Murphy is to be defended.
Solid liberano logic.
Oh, so Tim Murphy is the righteous figure in need of your protection.
Commendable and noble of you Peter.
Wasn’t that Tim Murphy’s voice I heard on the tape?
News Flash graciously returned …We’ve all heard the tape of Murphy offering Grewal a “not-a-bribe”.
Because Murphy says they are not talking about a bribe while they talk about a bribe does’nt change anything,…you know,… unless you’re the RCMP.
Then you logically investigate the whistle blower for reportedly asking someone to deliver a package.
Hey, guys. I vote for the Conservative party. I worked for Harper in his last campaign. I sometimes work for a pollster who used to be a Conservative operative. I just don’t think blind allegiance or slander gets us anywhere. Nothing criminal occurred. No charges were laid. Give it a rest. And quit defending GG. You know that if he was a Liberal you’d make more of his past connections and recent actions. Just try to be objective.
Peter
Mr. Loewen, I think it’s not unreasonable to fight fire with fire in order to win against those flamethrowing Libs. It would be, IMHO, worse to boot GG than to point out that he really didn’t do anything wrong and that the Libs did. Besides, think about many Libs. They’re far from perfect, but that in and of itself won’t cause them or their party to necessarily lose an election, as we’ve seen so many frustrating times.
Mr. Grewal did acquire proof of Liberal wrongdoing. If that’s libel to say so about the Libs, then let them listen to themselves on the tapes and start launching the suits left and right.
It’s still ok to have divergent opinions. After all, we’re card-carrying Tories, right? We just shouldn’t snipe at one another, surely you agree, as doing so only gives the Libs and MSM ammunition they’ll naturally use sooner or later. Focus on the real enemy. The Liberal Party of Canada. Don’t expect each of your fellow Party members to be perfect. Never happen. What we must make happen is the defeat of the Libs so we can do what needs to be done in our great nation.
Move on from Mr. Grewal. Train the crosshairs instead on the Grimacin’ Candyman.
Canadian Senitel: Fair enough. But let’s make a distinction between suggesting the tapes caught unethical behaviour and criminal behaviour. It may have been the first. It was not the second.
Duke [10:59] Principle in mind: GG Tapes decared authentic and can be used as evidence.
Nature of GG? moot!
Nature of Newman? Paramount. Expert.
The book is fact! Loud protest adjusts not one wart. Only the most junior journalist would bang his head on the brick wall that is Newman. There’s Peter C, then there’s Peter… eh? 73s TG
Duke McGoo,
I always thought that it was:
bright minds discuss ideas
average minds discuss people
small minds discuss window coverings
Although I will grant you that there are some people that are not as interesting as window coverings.
“…let’s make a distinction between suggesting the tapes caught unethical behaviour and criminal behaviour. It may have been the first. It was not the second.”
Afraid that’s where I have trouble, Peter. I have read, courtesy of WLM Redux’s site a little while back, about what the law says about a government official or public office holder offering any kind of bribe to an elected official in exchange for their vote. Perhaps you’ve not seen the applicable section of the law.
From transcripts of the GG tapes I’ve read, and from reading the law as it’s written, I have arrived at the belief that it would indeed be possible to launch a prosecution against the Liberals involved in the whole sordid affair that saved their sorry old hides from an early and possibly losing election due to defeat on a nonconfidence vote.
I would direct you to the following:
http://thefirebrand.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_thefirebrand_archive.html
Scroll down to the July 05, 2005 post entitled: “Warm Up a Jail Cell for “the natural governing party”.” There you’ll find excerpts from the law wrt bribery of a public official or whatever the lawyers call it.
BTW, many thanks be to WLM Redux.
Fair enough. I’ve read the same statues, and I’ve discussed them at some length with friends who are lawyers. Too bad you’re not a prosecutor. Then you could make it criminal behaviour. As it stands now, it’s just your opinion.
Anyway, I hope you don’t think things would be much different under the Conservatives. I suspect it’s just natural politics.
Peter Loewen:
The RCMP found nothing criminal about the conversations between Grewal and the Libs
Um, Peter, the RCMP have also yet to find anything criminal in the actions of Jean Chretien’s good friend, Jacques Corriveau. According to the evidence at Gomery, Corriveau issued over 40 completely fraudulent invoices to Groupaction as part of a kickback arrangement. That is criminal activity.
Have you ever stopped for a minute to consider that maybe the RCMP are about as effective at investigating Liberal corruption as Howard Wilson was at investigating Liberal ethics?
Thanks Abe. I never said anything about Corriveau.
“Anyway, I hope you don’t think things would be much different under the Conservatives. I suspect it’s just natural politics.”
Think about this, Peter: if I wasn’t of the reasonable belief that Canada will be better off under the Conservatives, then I wouldn’t care at all what happens to Canada. I almost gave up not too long ago, but have come to my senses and will be standing on guard for thee. Come on, Peter, it’s better to be an optimistic patriot than a defeatist. Try being more positive. Have a couple of drinks if you do imbibe and see the possibilities. You can be part of a better future. Loosen up a tad, my good man.
A few drinks. We may not agree on the problem, but at least we agree on a solution.