New Stats Can crime statistics are out.
Among cities, Regina was Canada’s murder capital, with a rate of five per 100,000. Montreal, by contrast, had the country’s lowest rate of 1.7 and Toronto had 1.8.
Nationally, violent crime fell two per cent, with 300,000 incidents reported to police, most of them common assaults. The number of robberies also fell four per cent.
Regionally, the three territories were by far the most violent areas of the country, while Saskatchewan and Manitoba led the way provincially.
Violent crime rates by province/territory (per 100,000 population)
Nunavut: 7,884
Northwest Territories: 6,865
Yukon: 3,236
Saskatchewan: 2,006
Manitoba: 1,602
British Columbia: 1,195
Nova Scotia: 1,190
Alberta: 1,087
Canada (average): 946
New Brunswick: 937
Newfoundland and Labrador: 917
Prince Edward Island: 799
Ontario: 755
Quebec: 726Top 10 murder rates by city (per 100,000 population):
Regina: 5.0
Winnipeg: 4.9
Abbotsford, B.C.: 4.4
Edmonton: 3.4
Saskatoon: 3.3
Vancouver: 2.6
Halifax: 2.4
Calgary: 1.9
Toronto: 1.8
Montreal: 1.7
It will be interesting to see how the left-leaning media (redundancy alert!) and social engineers spin this news.
One suggestion to get ’em started:
“The gap between rich and poor is SO great that the rich are too well protected and can’t be robbed! Whah!”
I’ll leave the rest to the Toronto Star.
Wait a minute, you mean I was safer living in Toronto than I was in Weyburn?
Chris H.
I have a gun, and Im mentally unstable, you best knock before you come in.
To paraphrase Mark Twain–there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.
With the improved medical techniques there are fewer people dying from attempted murders, like that woman in Banff–comatose but still alive–so is she on the list?
Does this statistical list denote the disabilities suffered by the victims? If they are still breathing but bed ridden etc are they counted as not murdered but vicious assault?
Crime is on the increase–and the Injustice system is aiding and abetting it by releasing those highly likely to re-offend back out into the public. Are they counted for their repeat crimes or are they all lumped into one?
This list asks more questions than it answers. So many people are not even reporting crimes–what is the point–they are not counted–so the stats look good but reality is much different.
Tonight on Global News they reported that murder is down but violent crime is up–go figure
Long Weekends are dangerous, drink, drink,drink, and drink some more and then….
Sad but true.
As anybody at this site knows,statistics can be spun to mean anything.One great example I remember was way back in 1980 when we acquired our new anti-submarine aircraft,the Aurora.After 2 years in service,we had a big meeting in Greenwood to discuss the supply problem of spare parts.Some yuckyyucky from Ottawa said there was no problem as they had acquired 75% of the spare parts contracted.This sounded great until our base supply officer pointed out that only 25% of the toatl parts needed had been contracted for,so in reality,we had 75% of 25%.ALWAYS question statistics,if only for the fact they are usually done for lying politicians.
George wrote —
“there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics”
Agreed. Statistics can be manipulated to say just about anything.
“Crime is on the increase”
On what are you basing that statement?
“So many people are not even reporting crimes–what is the point–they are not counted”
Again, on what are you basing those statements? Do you know how many victims of crime are not reporting the crime?
Do you know for certain that certain crimes are not being counted?
It’s interesting that people seem to be programmed to think that crime must always be getting worse. Even the article suggests this when it states —
“Keith Spencer, a criminologist at the University of Alberta, said police may simply be ignoring some petty crimes because of a reluctance by courts to be tough on young offenders.”
— Why the assumption that the rate has dropped because police aren’t doing their job?
Is there another body of stats out there showing that more people are indeed reporting crimes but police and the courts aren’t acting on them?
I know that we can all point to specific news articles that suggest that things are getting worse, but I don’t think anyone here can truly say that they know for certain that there’s been an increase in crime across Canada as a whole.
Can you say aboriginals.
Wagon burners, wrong, my native girlfriend says they dont burn wagons anymore.
She says they burn chevrolets now.
Yo, thanks Duke, thanks Doug. That’s a really productive thread.
http://www.primetimecrime.com/
Crime statistics, 2004
Canada’s crime rate, based on data reported by police services, fell a marginal 1% last year. While the total violent crime rate declined, the national homicide rate increased 12%. (Statistics Canada)
>>>>>>>>>>>>.
homicide
# The killing of one person by another.
# A person who kills another person
Twelve percent, aka 12%, increase for the national homicide rate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Comments, Annie “Got-Your-Guns” McLellan?
Lick wrote “Is there another body of stats out there showing that more people are indeed reporting crimes but police and the courts aren’t acting on them?”–why would anyone believe one set of stats and not another?
I listen to talk shows etc. and hear what people across Canada are saying. They have lost faith in the Justice System–and don’t look to them for help. Victims of crime are told to put bars on basement windows and install security systems–who is living behind bars in our society–obviously not the criminal–
These stats have as much relation to reality that polls do.
My elderly neighbour has had his car stolen out of his garage twice in the past 3 months. It is always found in a cornfield or a ditch with damage–that my neighbour has to repair and his insurance goes up. Soon he will not be able to get insurance–is this listed in the crime stats–the state the vicim is left in?
We have started thinking of crime as jsut stats–with none of the human cost to vicims and families. We are a cold lot indeed.
EBD;
I trust you have lived by reserves.
As for me, I will stick my head in the sand.
The crime-rate differences between Aboriginals and Nons are well known, Doug. But attempting to debate the reasons for that, in widely open public forums, leads only to hateful rhetoric and accusations in living stereo. It’s no fun, and no one is better informed at the end of the day.
Try it out, if you don’t believe me, but out of respect for Kate, could you try it somewhere else?
Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.
George wrote —
>> I listen to talk shows etc. and hear what people across Canada are saying.
>> snip
>> These stats have as much relation to reality that polls do.
Gauging the level of crime within a population by listening to talk shows is far less reliable than the stats compiled by law enforcement agencies. I’m assuming that the agencies just recorded crime as they saw it — I’m giving them and Stats Can the benefit of the doubt and am assuming that nobody has tampered with the data.
Why would they tamper with the data? If the theft of a few hundred million dollars through Adscam and the likely theft of about a billion through the gun registry does not seem to upset most voters, why would crime stats? There’s no need to fudge the figures to make the government look good — most Canadians just don’t care.
>> They have lost faith in the Justice System
I’ll will agree with you 100% here — our justice system is seriously messed up. Political correctness and militant interest groups have done a lot of damage to our courts and to law enforcement. Besides the police messing up the investigation and important evidence not being found until much later, I think a big part of the reason that Homolka got the deal she did was because the politically correct courts seem to refuse to believe that a woman can be anything but a victim. They had to convict a man in the case — the truth and actual justice be damned.
The tribal politics of race, gender, sexual preference, multiculti and all the other special interest groups are dismantling our laws and courts.
>> –is this listed in the crime stats–the state the victim is left in?
It’s not described in these particular stats, but I would think that the impact of crime is indeed tracked somewhere. Cruise the Stats Can website and see if you can find something — “economic impact of crime” would probably be there, as it is, for the most part, easily measured (at least for property crimes). I don’t know how they would measure the social and personal impact — if they don’t, you’re right: they should.
>> We have started thinking of crime as jsut stats–with none of the human
>> cost to vicims and families. We are a cold lot indeed.
I think you’re reading a little too much into the Macleans article — victim impact was not the point of the article. The point of the article, and the results of the stats, is really pretty simple: here’e the crime that’s happening within a given number of population.
Victim impact would be — and should be — the topic of another article.
About your neighbor —
>> My elderly neighbour has had his car stolen out of his garage twice
>> in the past 3 months. It is always found in a cornfield or a ditch
>> with damage–that my neighbour has to repair and his insurance goes
>> up. Soon he will not be able to get insurance
Perhaps your neighbor needs to change insurers, or are you stuck with government-run insurance where you are? I’ve had my car stolen, involved in a not-at-fault accident, and damaged by road debris — none of which affected my insurance rates or “good driver rating”, as none of these items were my fault. If he’s at risk of losing his insurance because the car’s been stolen, then there’s something wrong with his policy. Check out State Farm if it’s available in your area.
Stats;
Now that we have them and feel bad about them, how about, feel guilty about them,like I guess it must be my fault.
If the crime stats require guilt where does it belong?
On you, on me, the guvment, our social agencies, maybe give them more money that will bring down the crime stats wont it?
Is there someone to blame here and if so who?
Maybe our socieatal phillosophy and values.
Lets blame it on our schools, our movie theatres, our culture.
Our parental upbringing or the lack of it.
Do our Drs of social sciences have the answers.
Maybe what makes the difference between one person from another is the same that makes one person have a higher IQ, different hair color etc.
Who out there can empty the prisons,the pschiatric wards, heal the broken heart?
I dont have much to say except for the Grace of God, there be I.
Here is a stat for Annie where’s her guns & the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$:
One tunnel: Count ’em: One, 1 tunnel. No lies, no damned lies, just one statistic: one tunnel. Can one (1) tunnel lie?
Drug tunnel found under Canada border
CNN – 57 minutes ago
A cameraman shoots pictures of the Quonset hut on the Canadian side of the border. WASHINGTON (CNN) — Federal agents have closed down the first known smuggling tunnel under the US-Canada border and arrested …>>>>>>> googlenewscanada
Federal agents refers to those bastds, Amuuricans, eh? Canada wanted to keep it open, eh?
My guess is that most of the violent crime in abo communities goes unreported. It’s sad, but that’s what the dole and corupt leadership does to a society … sort of where Canada is headed only it will take longer, that is if we don’t goes broke first. Then you will have something closer to anarchy. Hey, reality bites doesn’t it.
maz2, the press release was out this morning. CTV had it (32 minutes). It was actually a very successful joint Canada/US bust. The clips were very interesting, you should check them out if they are still available.
Like debt and deficit, crime and crime rate are often subtly interchanged either by accident, ignorance or simply to obfuscate the obvious. I have spent a lot of time over the past 25 years in a town just 50 miles from Washington, DC. I used to be flabbergasted by the early morning radio news re:the number of shootings/murders that were reported there in the early 80’s.
Now Toronto is no different. Yes, the population has increased dramatically – and apparently the murders per capita haven’t kept pace – but there is one helluva lot more gun violence and shooting deaths overall than there was a quarter century ago.
THAT, is a fact.
eye for the eye…only answer.
Overall crime rates decreased a marginal one per cent from 2003, although homicide rates jumped 12 per cent, StatsCan said.
So what are homocides–non-violent crime?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/21/1141246-cp.html
As I said–the spin of statistics can be made to say anything. Daylight shootings in Toronto and Calgary, Hell’s Angels and Indian Posse (really domestic terrorist groups), and anyone has the nerve to state the drivel that crime is down–just change the definition of crime and voila–crime is down–but ask real people living in fear behind their fort that used to be their home–and then tell me that this is the truth.
Interesting, the 2 cities and provinces Albertans love to hate have the lowest murder rates. Who would have thunk it?
I’ve lived in Toronto for about 35 years and have never had any problem with criminal activity. Mind you I don’t live in some of the more dodgy parts of the city but even these parts pale in comparison to comparable cities in the US. These stats don’t surprise me.
Tribal culture is alive and well in the multi-culti Canada.
#1 cause of death among men living in a tribal culture is murder.
read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.
He is a left winger, but he has spent many years living among tribal people, and that is what he has seen.
Aboriginal Crime – missing dreams
The conclusions can be simplified to state that the higher the native population the higher the crime rates. However, the more natives you have the greater the chances are that you also have poverty, inadequate educational opportunities, unemployment,…
I’ve been watching Guns, Germs and Steel on PBS-TV, and while he seems to get certain things right and has a revealing interconnected sensibility about much of the ways cultural events transpire, as an Anthro major I have a bunch of problems about all the things he glosses over in an effort to direct attention to his own conclusions.
George:
You made a good point about improved medical treatment (particularly for severe trauma – gunshot wounds) being at least partly responsible for lower murder rates. This has been brought up several times in Toronto where there has been a large increase in gun crimes (i.e. handguns) over the past dozen or so years.
Any thoughts on how much lower the murder rate would be if gang violence is filtered out? Calgary has 5 gang related murders so far this year.
While the total violent crime rate declined, the national homicide rate increased 12%. (Statistics Canada)
Firearms Registry @ $2 billion: $2,000,000,000.00.
Homicide rate increased 12%.
What is the point of the Firearms Registry? Patronage jobs = Librano$$$$$$$$$$ voters.
Chretien/AdScam Martin’s vote-buying scam.
The homicide rate has been on a decline trend for over 20 years ( when taken as a per-capata study). If we ever rise above the silly politics and conjecture, we will see that it is because the demographic of young males between 18-24 is declining…statistically this is the demographic most prone to commit and be a victim of murder.
the Federal BS gun registry doesn’t even enter into the equation as an effecing factor…neither do all the BS justice youth offender agendas…one of the greatest contributing factors is the lax parole and sentancing policies that encourages systemic offender recidivism in those prone to chronic criminal behavior.
Dare we relate the native gangs in the top ten crime cities ti the murder rate???
I will and and I defy any OFFICIAL” source to prove these are not a factor…thay certainly are in Edmonton and the difference between the crime rates in Edmonton and Calgary is due to the fact the Calgary crow attorney’s office will prosecute and convict any gang member and the bench has a habit of doubling the normal sentance for a gan related violent act.