Mark Johnson, Imprint staff. (U of Waterloo)
Like many Canadians, I reacted with a mixture of shock, sorrow and anger to the news of the horrifying terrorist attacks in downtown London, now dubbed “7/7.” The disaster, which took the lives of 52 people and counting, has even been referred to as England’s own September 11th.
I see things entirely differently. The deluded band of egocentric, paranoid terrorists that I think have made up the present and past governments of the United States of America has been launching petty, cowardly attacks on legitimate sovereign nations for decades, and 9/11 was something they had coming to them.
The World Trade Centre and the Pentagon I think were government-connected targets, and those attacks were not aimed at the general population.
In London, on the other hand, it was the mass transit system that was blown up, harming no one but civilians. The bombings were evidently retaliation for the British involvement in the American-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
After the Madrid bombings, which were timed to coincide with a national election, Spanish voters threw out an arrogant liar of a president � who sent their troops to die in Iraq � and elected a socialist who soon withdrew the troops to safety. In doing so, Spain wisely diminished its chances of provoking another attack.
We in Canada think of ourselves as relatively safe from terrorists, but were it not for the intelligent, thoughtful decision of an awesome former Prime Minister, Jean Chr�tien, to keep our troops out of the Iraq quagmire, it’s more than likely that we’d now be in line for some sort of terrorist attack.
Thank heavens we had (and continue to have) the Liberal Party of Canada in office!
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R.I.P. to the victims of the London massacre and likewise to the victims of the U.S./U.K. massacres in Iraq and elsewhere. What goes around comes around, I suppose.
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Mark’s Angelfire homepage is probably subject to bandwidth limits, so I’ve quoted it in the extended entry.
“I serve as a director for the Liberal Party of Canada in my riding of Kitchener-Conestoga, and am obviously also a member of that prestigious political party. “
*Information was current as of Feb. 2005 – still trying to get confirmation on his current status with the riding ass’n.
Ok, who am I? My name’s Mark Johnson, I’m a fourth-year student at the University of Waterloo, in Waterloo, Ontario, and am 21 years old. I have two younger brothers, Steve and Mike, and a beautiful girlfriend, Kassie. My main interest is politics – that’s what I’m studying, majoring in Political Science and minoring in French…parles-tu francais bien?
I’m a security guard for the Canadian Corps of Commissionaires, and I also porter at the St. Jacobs Best Western and clean at Programmed Insurance Brokers. When I’m not working or in school, I love playing baseball or hockey. I watch hockey or CPAC on TV, and sleep as much as I can. I serve as a director for the Liberal Party of Canada in my riding of Kitchener-Conestoga, and am obviously also a member of that prestigious political party.
Apart from the Liberals, I also admire many policies of the NDP and the Bloc Qu�b�cois. I’ve moderated quite a bit in my old age – I used to be a communist, but I’ve since woken up, and am glad of it.
Here’s some of my political views and/or aspirations:restructuring the tax system to stop penalizing low and middle-income earners legalization of marijuana, gay marriages, and euthanasia protection of the environment, including the ratification of the Kyoto Accord more centralized government in Canada massive expansion of public transit aggressively paying down Canada’s national debt
Enough politics, then. I’m a big fan of the Ottawa Senators and if they’re not playing, I’ll cheer for any other Canadian team, usually Toronto. For baseball, I cheer on the Toronto Blue Jays and Florida Marlins. I’m a writer for my school newspaper, Imprint.
My views on religion have varied greatly over the past few years. I was raised as a conservative Christian, but left in disgust, and turned to atheism. I have recently been impressed with the liberal views of some churches, primarily the United and Presbyterian churches, so I might wind up there soon. For now, I guess I consider myself to be an extremely liberal Christian, and open to new ideas.
I like Blink 182, P.O.D. and a few other music groups. I don’t usually mind any music except country and some virulent forms of rap.
Sports I like playing are baseball, hockey, tennis and rugby. I play hockey when I can, not in leagues though, and I play baseball in church league. For my stats, click here.
I’m fairly active in campus groups at my university, and work with the following groups:Vice-President (Finance) of the Students for Palestinian Rights Co-President of Students for Same-Sex Marriage Member of the Arab Student Association Member of the University of Waterloo Young Liberals Volunteer, University of Waterloo Sustainability Project Past Vice-President (Finance) of the Political Science Student Association
Volunteer, Wellness CentrePresidential candidate of record, University of Waterloo Federation of Students
There ain’t no reaching people like him.
RIP Democracy and Freedom in his hands.
I just wrote a simplistic sentence because I’m stunned.
Wow. That’s all I can say. Wow.
“Never trust a man who isn’t a socialist when he’s 18, and a conservative when he’s 30”
Winston Churchill.
or something like that, 18 or 20, can’t remember exactly.
That guy has a long way to go.
WTC as a government connected target??? Holy Crap!
“Any man who’s not a liberal at 18 has no heart. Any man who’s not a conservative at 30 has no brain.” -WSC
Not to nitpick but it’s an important distinction between socialist and liberal, at least it was in Churchill’s time.
This Liberanos logic is dreamwalking. Canadian forces are totally involved and always have been. Don’t forget our Navy service off Iraq and current forays into BinLaden land.
A bombing in Canada is just a matter of time. Question is what will hurt both us and the USA most.
Are our refineries well guarded? That kind of damage would hurt both our economies.
We are suffering now. Even without a hit. Witness the container trucking strike causing severe losses to businesses who can’t ship or import offshore.
I suggest also that our offshore oil platform be under intense guard.
The international bridge is a known possible target.
The London underground was such an obvious target, one wonders if the obvious choices will continue or if the next target will be less predictable.
73s TG
Thanks for the clear up on the quote, I was going by memory, and haven’t used it in years.
Huge distinction.
Anyways, the point is now accross.
I confess I am only about to begin reading this post, but the title immediately recalled something similar I read recently titled, “Leaving the Left” by Keith Thompson. Here’s the URL for those who haven’t read it:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/22/INGUNCQHKJ1.DTL
And here’s Thompson’s website, as I recommend people who frequent SDA visit it and partake of some of his writings:
http://www.thompsonatlarge.com/
Duh! “Prestigious Liberal Party”. Methinks this dipwad is angling for a cushy governmentflunky appointment?
I sent it to a Liberal friend of mine and he advised me, big surprise, that he felt sorry for Thompson. Then he said he looked forward to many more discussions with me on politics and the left and conservatism. Claimed he could make me “see the light”! If you can believe that’s coming from a very successful business owner (he owns a headhunting/aptitude analysis firm). I guess not all leftists are morons, but regardless of intellect, they can still be myopically naive…
So the passengers on the three hijacked jets were legitimate targets – they were somehow “government-connected”? And the people in surrounding buildings, those out walking on the streets, the men and women who worked at newspaper stands, bakeries, and other businesses and restaurants in the WTC – they, too, were “government-related”? I guess I missed that in the headlines; does anyone have a link to the article(s) that explained all this?
If this guy can convince himself that everyone who died in the 9/11 !!Terrorist!! (are you listening, CBC staff……..) attacks was a legitimate target, then he ought to have no problem about wearing a bullseye on his back emblazoned with the caption “I Stomp Korans with Pig Dung” in large letters. Because he’s *already* a target himself, using his set of definitions.
Mark had best remember one thing. WHEN – not if, WHEN – the hammer drops on Canada, those of us here the the much-maligned USofA will remember who’s been with us, and who’s been against us. If he should be looking for military or financial aid some day in the future, we’ll be sure to tell him that we in America are smart enough to “keep ourselves out of the Canada quagmire.”
(Present company excepted, Kate.)
Thompson also has a blog, though no comments section. Perhaps it’s worth a look:
http://sanenation.blogspot.com/
JC made a “thoughtful, intelligent” decision? funny, I recall him dithering, prevaricating, and making a last-minute decision based upon the polls (especially from Quebec).
This kid is so smug and probably priviledged, he has a lot to learn.
Will the MSM, or the CBC, pick up on this story?
JC made a “thoughtful, intelligent” decision? funny, I recall him dithering, prevaricating, and making a last-minute decision based upon the polls (especially from Quebec).
Don’t forget we supplied soldiers and support to the invasion anyway, owing to military exchange programs. We didn’t see them getting yanked home based on thoughful, principled Liberal policy positions, did we?
And of course none of us have forgotten that Mr Dithers was a war supporter up until the last election campaign.
WOW this guy is amazing …. amazingly stupid ….
where do you find this stuff …. You could laugh if you didn’t know that he is not alone with his moonbat thoughts.
Methinks someone needs some sense beaten into him.
That jackass is beyond offensive.
TonyGuitar. You can add the two pipelines out of Alberta to your list. The one running down to the US is the most likely in my opinion. What an easy target either of them would be though. America buys more oil from Alberta than it does from the Middle East. And, if I remember correctly, Canada exports about half of its total natural gas production and more than half its crude oil production to the United States.
If the terrorists really wanted to hurt both countries with a single act of terrorism blowing up these pipelines would certainly do it.
Mark (pity that) Johnson writes of the “American-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.”
But there was no “invasion” of Afghanistan. Before the fall of Kabul to the insurgent Afghan Northern Alliance in November 2001, and the consequent collapse of the Taliban regime, there were no foreign regular combat formations in Afghanistan.
The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from special forces (both U.S. and British); that however is not an invasion. Substantial foreign ground combat forces–including Canadian–only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed by indigenous Afghan forces, and those forces entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance.
Remember what Senator Kerry said during the September 30, 2004, presidential debate: “Unfortunately, [Bin Laden] escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. We had him surrounded. But we didn’t use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. The President relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too. That’s wrong.” Tora Bora was in December 2001; those who “outsourced” were in no position to have invaded.
This is no mere semantic quibble. Describing what the U.S. and U.K. did in Afghanistan as an “invasion” tends to equate those actions in people’s mind with the real invasion of Iraq. That equation implicitly and wrongly calls into question the legitimacy of American and British actions in Afghanistan.
Can people not accurately recall what happened under four years ago? Or maybe they choose not to in order to mislead. Or maybe, incredibly, they just don’t know.
Mark
Ottawa
If the terrorists really wanted to hurt both countries with a single act of terrorism blowing up these pipelines would certainly do it.
Geez, way to give ’em ideas! Now we`ll have to watch for a bunch of wealthy students acting all Baader-Meinhof style, armed with downloaded copies of the Anarchist Cookbook and trying to blow up the pipelines in the name of “Palestinian solidarity”…!
From Mark Johnson’s website: “I’m a security guard for the Canadian Corps of Commissionaires…” Maybe Osama can get a job too. God help us all. Also he’s “a fourth-year student at the University of Waterloo…” This is what passes for a university-educated person today. God help us all.
http://www.angelfire.com/on4/markis/aboutme.htm
Mark
Ottawa
“Vice-President (Finance) of the Students for Palestinian Rights”?
“Member of the Arab Student Association”?
1. So much for his objectivity on the Middle East.
“Co-President of Students for Same-Sex Marriage”?
2. I wonder what the Muslim members of the Arab Student Association make of that.
He sounds a bit like Svend Robinson – the Palestine suicide bombers’ favourite gay infidel.
This looneytune Liberal Party official doesn’t seem to be aware that Canada fully supports the ongoing military action in Afghanistan.
WTC a Government-related target? Huh? Ironically, his statement is not entirely inaccurate, in that the WTC was owned by the New York City Port Authority.
That being said, since when did a local Port Authority have anything to do with military actions abroasd?
He’s irrelevent- and nothing he says will ever change that.
One would have thought the University of Waterloo and it’s paper, had higher standards. One would have thought so, anyway.
Lynn Myers, the local Liberal MP for Mark’s riding (Kitchener-Conestoga) was believed to be facing a strong CPC challenge if teh election had taken place in June. Let’s hope Mr. Myers loses the next election. If this is the type of advice he’s getting from his EDA executive we’re in trouble as a country.
Ideological fanaticism or zealotism provides its own internalized rationalization for everything. Cognitive dissonance is alive and well in Mr. Johnson.
Zealotism of any stripe has been and remains the root of so much conflict and suffering because such people’s beliefs are not modifiable.
I have always been perplexed by the inability of socialists to discern the hypocricy and inherent disjoint between their alleged beliefs and their actions. “All pigs are equal but some are more equal than others…”
I guess its just fine for Canada to remain islolationist with respect to doing anything to uphold human rights or intervene militarily in mass crimes against humanity because doing so might interfere with “trade” and support for “social programs”
Its all part of the modernist/socialist Canadian character which is most unappealing: a complete lack of a sense of moral responsibility or obligation. I call it the “f__k you, I’m OK attitude. “Why should I worry about what’s going on in the world. It doesn’t affect me.”
My lord how this reminds me of the policies of Neville Chamberlain in the 1930’s
In my opinion, the price of freedom is responsibility.
Personally, I’ll take nihilism over zealotism.
“Not to nitpick but it’s and important distinction between socialist and liberal at least it was in Chuchill’s time. Not today Matt – that line between the two is non existant.
This is what is coming out of our Universities to-day. I retired from a university and the students are being indoctrinated with this philosophy. Had children that attended university, but for some reason they did not get brainwashed. As a young person I wanted to attend university ended up in nursing instead. Glad I did, because I would never have been able to put the right answers on paper to satisfy my Prof and get a pass. Pretty sad isn’t it.
“restructuring the tax system to stop penalizing low and middle-income earners”
Yes, and that’s sure to be effective. Once you scare away all the rich folks and any investment with punitive tax rates, everyone will be a low-income earner – if they still have a job.
“legalization of marijuana, gay marriages, and euthanasia”
So we’ll all be stoned, same-sex couples but if it doesn’t work out – no problem! We’ll just have ourselves killed.
“protection of the environment, including the ratification of the Kyoto Accord”
I thought we already did ratify. And how do you protect the environment when you’re unemployed and stoned?
“more centralized government in Canada”
I’m sure that’ll solve all our problems with the separatists and alienated Westerners: pulling in even more power to the centre.
“massive expansion of public transit”
And we’ll need those lousy buses and trains because no-one will be able to afford a car.
“aggressively paying down Canada’s national debt”
How? And with whose money?
He’s just destroyed any incentive to work, start a business or invest in the future.
We’re also so stoned on hemp we haven’t noticed that:
a. we’ve just married Svend Robinson, and
b. Sven’s having us put down for our own good.
At the same time, we’re stumbling about hugging trees and kissing rocks while our centralized government is shutting down any industry that might produce even the vaguest whiff of Kyoto-flaunting fumes.
Meanwhile, that same centralized government will no doubt shipping any of us still alive (and not completely buzzed) across the country in great convoys of used Bluebird school buses to work ourselves to death in the latest great five-year plan to pay off our national debt.
This guy is reality challenged…
That folks is what we call a COWARD! Wow, can’t he find a job as a human shield somewhere?
That folks, is a Liberal party supporter, and unfortunately indicative of the thinking of 30% of Canadians or so. These people are so breathtakingly stupid that they cannot be reached, however, that means there are 70% who can be reached, and this pile of dung should be quoted in TV commericials as a LPC official.
I hate him, and I’m not one fly off the handle like that. “Inteligent and thoughtful”, Cretin and Martin? What he fails to note is that had Clinton still been in power good ole JC would have been so close behind the States as to make them indistinguishable.
(By the by, anyone recall the tribute JC gave Clinton at his last G8 visit? You would swear JC was trying to climb in bed with him; and I’m not so sure the rutting pig demered.)
This is the type of inhumane individual who would gladly sacrifice hundreds of Iraqis, Brits, Spaniards or whoever to prove that the invasion won’t work. You know the type, them that bask in a morbid and smug glea whenever the body count goes higher. Not because they enjoy quantifying of these tradgedies of course, but because it makes George Bush look bad.
No way is this guy a baseball fan.
What an asshole. Thank God none of the people I know who worked at the WTC were killed, but his own edification none of them worked for the government, federal, state or local.
“Ironically, his statement is not entirely inaccurate, in that the WTC was owned by the New York City Port Authority.”
That’s actually the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the US’s largest legal entity established by interstate compact. The PA had its headquarters there, and owned the site, though it was under lease to Larry Silverstein, who in turn sublet to the individual commercial tenants.
Some things never change and one of them are student newspapers run by left wing idiots. This just shows how far out the Libranos have gone into left field.
Does anybody remember Cretin stand up in the Commons and saying we’d be sending 800 troops to Iraq, and then the next day (the eve of a Quebec election), recanted? Canada’s position had more to do with Da Legassy dan wit etics and integritty. Don’t forget, Librano indoctrination is rampant in the universities, and soon, coming to a daycare centre near you. Wonder who he’ll blame for a made-in-Canada attack?
Feel free to send a letter to the editor:
http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/static/edletter.php
Please let them know what you really think about that article.
Better yet, point out some of the factual errors….
Okay, I’ve just read about the Johnson feller.
And my reaction is:
This is a prime example of the kind of people I’m always talking about: leftists who cannot think coherent thoughts; who cannot logically, with reference to reality, explain why they say and believe what they do.
In many ways, superficially, initially, they seem quite normal and harmless. But discuss certain critically important matters with them and you’re taken aback at their unbelievable lack of intelligence. You know they’re thinking what they’re told to think.
These people are a serious threat to humanity, not normally as individuals, but collectively, yes, without doubt!
This is the sort of person the Liberals, the NDP, Greens and BQ and the American Democrats are competing for in terms of votes. Oh, yes.
I only need to remind everyone what happened with the Nazis, the Soviet Communists, the Maoist Communists, the Islamofascists and on and on. Johnson claims he’s no Communist. Absolute, transparent yakshit! No different than Paul Martin claiming he believes in democracy! Johnson apparently fails to realize that communism is far, far broader in its reach and idealogy than it was during the Cold War. It includes, among others, socialists, believers in the idea that there is actually a nation and a people known as Palestine, Islamofascist terrorists, non-straight sexual practitioners of all persuasions, etc. etc.
I know this not only from observing their true reality over time, but also from observing various types of leftist parades, demonstrations, rallies, etc. in which ALL OF THEM are present. The commies, the pictures of pink triangles, the rainbow-colored banners, people wearing kaffiyehs (a clear sign of Palestinism and of anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism), youth wearing black and green and camoflage clothing, hiding their faces with all kinds of masks like outlaws. They chant slogans inciting for the downing of Conservatives, Republicans, etc.
These events are always well-covered and respectfully reported on by the MSM.
They are all banded together for whatever they believe they’re about (I truly haven’t a fecking clue whatever that is).
The DANGER posed by them cannot be overestimated!
The various extremists as noted above are very closely allied with the Liberals, NDP, BQ, Greens, the Democrats in the US, the MSM, the legal and judicial branches of gov’t, law enforcement, etc.
If you think of the potential for this EVIL ALLIANCE OF THE 21ST CENTURY for world dominance and a return to the Dark Ages via the starting of World War Three, complete with nuclear explosions everywhere and genocides and holocausts of people who oppose them, then you can understand.
This is what I mean when I talk about the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy.
The Conservatives and Republicans do NOT need to do anything to try attracting these moonbats to their parties. It is not just unnecessary but extremely dangerous. Rather these conservative parties must bring conservatives and true libertarians (not leftists) together in one big powerful union in order to prevent the VLWC from staying in power in Canada and from taking power in America.
Someone mentioned Chamberlainism. I loathe that sort of thing. It gave comfort to the Nazis, for heaven’s sake! It gives comfort to Al Qaeda today! I urge the Churchillian doctrine for my fellow conservative libertarians to fight the enemies of humanity. We will never surrender. We will fight to the death or be put to death where we stand with mouths agape in surprise when we see the people we thought were normal suddenly open their shirts and press a red button on their bombbelts…
Just so y’all don’t start thinking I’ve lost it, I can tell y’all that the stuff I said above scares the fecking daylights out of me!
But it just had to be said! I couldn’t leave it alone!
Tony Guitar asks if our oil refineries are guarded.
Answer: No. Absolutely not.
I live a very short distance from the Irving Oil Refinery in Saint John, NB. I work much closer, still, under the shadow, in fact, of the frightening giant that looks like a Borg space station from Star Trek.
If it’s attacked, I am royally fucked!
JJM:
I was working on something similar to what you did and had it about half-way done, then I saw your post. Damn, but you did it so much better than my crep! 🙂 Nicely done.
Can anyone explain to my why the Consevatives are saying they will respect Kyoto and keep it in place? Is there just SO much money available to be laundered and squirrelled away that NO political party can resist it? Just wondering.
LM. I, too, am just wondering. You don’t like the Conservatives, do you? Do you really think we’re no different from the Librano crooks? Guess you don’t read anything I write.
Just wondering.
Just so you folks know a company by the name of Cantor Fitzgerald leased about 9 floors in the WTC.
Cantor was at the a primary dealer in Government debt. When the US wants to sell Treasuries or Agencies there are about 15 firms that are allowed to bid for it and then re-sell it to the world.
Treasuries are what the Federal Reserve uses to control the Money Supply. Agencies are longer term
5, 10 and 30 year debt. The 30 has subsequently been discontinued.
Espeed is owned by Cantor and is the largest electronic platform for trading in Government securities. Treasuries alone trade some $380 billion a day on electronic platforms.
Food for thought huh.
Incidentally espeed was also the platform that was
going to be used to trade Kyoto credits.
Stephen wrote:
>> Do you really think we’re no different from
>> the Librano crooks?
Despite all evidence to the contrary, all politicians are _human_. There will be <sagan>billions and billions and billions</sagan> of dollars available for Kyoto-related environmental projects. It’s entirely possible that unscrupulous members of the Conservative party could realise this and be tempted.
I’m convinced that’s why the Liberals really want Kyoto — the theft to be had there makes the gun registry look like pocket change. It’s not too far a stretch to think that corrupt members of other parties might see that, too.
Anyway — I doubt that’s why the Conservatives really want to support Kyoto. So if that’s not it, then what’s the real reason?
And don’t say “the environment”. Read a bit of geology and history and you’ll see that it’s been much warmer in North America — and much colder — than it is now.
>> Guess you don’t read anything I write.
That’s not true. In fact, I share your stuff with friends. One of whom asked me today “Who the hell is this guy, and why does he think he own’s Kate’s blog?”
I should put a smiley in here so you know I’m not being a jerk, so here it is: 🙂
Crickey. Strike the apostrophe s from “own’s” above.
Sorry about that.
Anybody who advocates that ‘the people in the WTC got what they deserved’ needs to be watched very closely by our counterterrorism agencies. These types of people are a walking time bomb, IMO.
After reading Mark Johnson’s comments I’ve come to the conclusion that Aliens really are experimenting on humans.
I wonder if he salivates, spins in circles and wets himself everytime a bell rings?
Now this guy is a good case for a justifiable homicide if there ever was one.
Now I know how the islamic terrorists feel when they see a picture of Dubbya smiling.
I’m glad we cool now, LM.
I believe “unscrupulous conservative” is inherently an oxymoron; a contradiction in terms. If any member of the upcoming Conservative gov’t turns out someday to be unscrupulous, he/she will be expelled. We expel feckheads all the time as they simply don’t belong in a clean party.
Here, FYI, is Conservative policy on the environment. It is binding as per the constitution and per the democratic vote of the Conservative delegates at the last policy convention. We have no hidden agenda. You can read for yourself what exactly we stand for.
http://www.conservative.ca/EN/policy_declaration/i)_environment/
We, I personally believe, will continue with the treaty as it is an existing agreement upon which to carry out real, sound, workable environmental policies. Come on, the Libs haven’t done shit at all- greenhouse gases are worse than ever! It’s just posturing for them. People buy into it who cannot think for themselves and believe the lying MSM. That sounds better than saying, Layton-like: “The environment”, doesn’t it? We’re not like poopyheads like him!
I’m honored you would show your friends some of my stuff. And I know I don’t own SDA! I just love to play here on Katie’s site. It’s a fun place to be, even if we still have to be serious too.
Jeff Cosford:
Psssst. You know what? I heard that area 51 was actually located on the 99th floor of the North tower and that it contained the results of experiments on alien space ships that gave NASA the technology of warp speed and new metals for spacecraft hulls and a Star Trek like transporter device. All “wiped-out” in ONE DAY.
Think about it.
Regarding refineries in AB, they’ve got pretty tight security in place (significantly beefed up since 9/11), although I’m sure someone could fly a plane into one if they tried.
Regarding pipelines, they are only vulnerable at the various pumping stations as they are underground. I’ve heard on other blogs that security on the stations has also been beefed up since 9/11.
Stephen, how do you KNOW the refinery across from you is insecure?
This is what Dubya thinks of moonbats:
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/13980.html
So Doug what’s your point? That they don’t exist or that they weren’t a target. On the first look it up
on the second I have no opinion.