I’m going down down down down
I’m going down down down down
I’m going down down down down
I don’t know when I’m comming up
— I’m Going Down by Gorky Park
The other song choice to open this post was Free Falling by Tom Petty. Whatever. All I can say is that this is a helluva thing to wake up to:
The Conservative Party has lost more support, a new poll has found — and that can be tied to a popularity drop for its leader Stephen Harper.
Nationally, the numbers break out like this (the May 8 figure is in brackets):
- Liberals: 34 per cent (27), +7
- Conservatives: 26 per cent (31), -5
- NDP: 19 per cent (20), -1
- Greens: Nine per cent (7), +2
- Bloc Quebecois: 13 per cent (14), -1
Stephen Harper was viewed favourably by 50 per cent of respondents on May 8. In the June 9 poll, that dropped to 40 per cent — a 10-point decline. — CTV
While I’m admittedly a Green Party supporter, I find the willingness of the public to shift away from the CPC distressing. This doesn’t bode well for any other party that is hoping to present an honest alternative to the Libs, either.
These numbers mean that it would be suicide to take the government out next week and we’re stuck with a bunch of thieves looting the treasury for another six months to a year, at least.
I’m bummed out. It’s time for coffee.
When they say the poll is accurate within some small percentage 19 times out of 20. I just know they are not telling the truth. Just go back over the last 20 polls and you will see they are not within that small percentage. Polls are for peeing on any dog knows that.
What needs to be understood is…. who is paying for the poll? They don’t tell you. What percentage of those asked to do the poll actually answered the poll? did they vote in the last election? Are they under the influence? Since there is such a rapid change in the numbers from poll to poll from week to week one can assume that either Canadians are mindless or the polls are not reliable I vote for unreliable and I am a truthsayer.
Sean,
I’m not surprised that Harper, after non-stop negative stories by the pocketed MSM, has fallen in the polls. An outsider might conclude that Canadians condone corruption.
I would take the government out NOW rather than later. Take the evil ones out and then use the biggest, nastiest ad campaign ever seen in a national campaign.
Sean, you might take a cue from Quebecers. They are lining up with the Bloc to eliminate the Liberals. Perhaps your green choice may be part of the problem?
Sean give up on the polls. As they say the only real one is on election day.
Polls over time have shown the Libs with a lead plus or minus over the Conservatives. Instead of shooting the messengers, instead of shooting the messages, instead of shooting the people who hired the messengers, instead of shooting the people the messages were derived from, how about discussing what the Conservatives have to do to consistantly beat the Liberals in the next series of Polls between now and the next election?
As a side note, I now expect Richard to come along and duck the question by calling me a name and/or just ignore the question and start bashing.
🙂 majere
Another liberal spin to stay in power.
And you’re believing it. ;-(
Anselm, the CPC’s SSM policy did a lot more damage than you realize. It drove me, and at least 20 people from my immediate circle of friends, away from the CPC (we all voted CPC the last time around and most voted PC regularly before that).
As Kate regularly points out, however, I live in Alberta so how I vote is a moot point. Alberta will faithfully vote Conservative as usual.
My opinion is that we put the government out of its misery at the first available opportunity and let the chips fall where they may. I know that the Bloc has the gumption to do this, but I’m not sure if the Tories do. Here’s hoping.
“Another liberal spin to stay in power.
And you’re believing it. ;-(”
The only absolutes in life are death, taxes, and the absolute stupidity of urban Ontarians. Yeah, I can believe it.
With that being said, the smart man NEVER takes his foot off a snake (and the Libs certainly are snakes). If the opposition has a chance to take the goverment down next week then they should do so. The Greens don’t have a single MP sitting in the House right now, but if they did, I would demand they support the CPC and Bloc in taking Martin out.
Just so you know where I’m coming from.
Roger’s right fella’s, the CPC needs to buy-off the media the same way the libs have…
What is the major cause of the Libs dominating the Conservatives over the past number of Polls?
What is it about Ontario that sides with status quo versus supporting the Conservatives? (regionality does not denote intelligence level)
What is the number one cause so we can get the solution out? (I would really like to know the solution)
That is the number one Conservative issue, isn’t it?
🙂 majere
The “polls” are a bunch of horseshit. The questions are always slanted, the calls are always to “select” people that give the answers that the Liberanos want. A group of 1000 Liberano members will give the answers that fit the crooks agenda. What a joke. truthsayer is right on the money when he said that polls are what dogs pee on.
FREEDOM or Free Medicare (pick 1)
Funny, I see these poll results, then I go look at the poll at:
http://strongworld.blogspot.com/
Hopefully, the librano$ believe the polls and call it now, so can all get nasty. These polls are just an attempt to brainwash, as usual.
Does not the Conservative Party have their own Pollsters that they use on a daily/weekly/monthly basis to monitor the pulse of electoral issues?
Can they not release properly worded Polls from their Pollsters?
This is of course, if it is strictly Polls that are the number one issue that is/has turned the electorate against the Conservatives.
Is it?
🙂 majere
MSM won’t cover anything conservative unless it’s negative.
I wouldn’t take it out on the polls. That is probably what people are saying.
With the negative media that Harper and the Conservatives receive, I suspect it is a little like the federalist factor in Quebec. People are reluctant to admit they support the Conservatives, so the polls probably underestimate their support, particularly among the undecided, by several points.
Morever, when an election does come, which voters do you think will be the most motivated? Liberal support is tepid at best. If the polls show them in the lead, a lot of Liberals will not even bother voting.
Silly question, but I haven’t been able to find the answer. How many blogging toris are there, verses librano$?
I see the Tori list, but have never seen a list for the other side.
More than “negative” media have you noticed that there is virtually NO media on Harper. NO coverage or follow-up on CPC news releases even though they are meaty and newsworthy. It is like a black out unless they can find a negative story or some kind of off the cuff comment that may hint at disention which they then fan.
If you go to the CPC web site you will see that they have issued many press alerts that just get ignored.
That includes Harper being in Alberta for a major disaster with the flooding. Did you see any interviews of him – the national media is everywhere down there. No, you heard the commentators saying “Where was Harper to talk about this Quebec health care ruling?”
They knew where he was – they stage managed that he was silent on the issue.
That then allows the media to say “Where is Harper – he is hiding out. People just don’t know anything about this guy. He avoids issues. He has no ideas. The CPC is rudderless.
The MSM HIDES the Conservative messages so then they can say the Conservative messages are “Hidden”.
However, if Scott Reid in the PMO sneezes the MSM says “Bless You!” If any Liberal goes for a walk it is on the news. Clips from Question ZPeriod are Liberal talking points. Canadians are being scripted with very powerful propaganda. The message is controlled.
Clever and it is working.
Why have not the Conservatives released their own Polls/Pollsters?
I understand the underestimation of Polls but can’t see it being worth any more than a few points. Does this still explain the number one reason why Ontario and East would rather stick with the status quo versus the Conservatives?
🙂 majere
In April 2005, Mike Duffy was a guest speaker at the Canadian Real Estate Assn. Political Action Committee days.
Asked a question about Harper not being too media friendly, Duffy replied,”Look! The man is so honest he’d rather walk away from the TV cameras than look in the lens and tell a lie”.
If the Duffster knows Harper is honest, why isn’t that message being passed along to the Nation instead of to just a few hundred Realtors. Mind you, CTV’s cameras weren’t pointing at Duffy when he said that and his bosses were nowherein sight at the time either.
So, here we have a honest man, Harper, validated as being honest,by one of the best known reporters in Canada, Duffy, falling in the polls, and we have Martin– enough said– rising in the polls.Why would Canadians not want a honest man as Prime Minister?
Only in Canada , you say!
Here is a question I would like Blogers to ask themselves and their freinds…. Who bothers you the most… thieves or Con artists. If the answer is Con Artists ( it should be)… thieves just steal, con Artists steal with your own permission and make you understand that you are one of those suckers born every minute.) aka: a fool.
The New Conservatives need to be asking this question, pointing out just how many times Canadians have been conned by the Liberals. To repeat. Canadians don’t need to hear about policy or corruption they need to hear just how many times they have been connned. Start talking about the saying…. “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”, fool me as many times as the Liberals have fooled me and what the heck am I????
Never listen to your enemies for advice….so ignore the media Steven and suck it up and bring the government down on thursday….it’s the right thing to do.
Only an inbicile would return a government this corrupt and trust it with the national treasury.
If you believe Canadians are self abusive imbiciles, go soft on Martin now….if you do that you may as well fold it.
So now its all the Pollsters against the Conservatives, its all the media hiding the Conservative Policies from Ontario and the East.
How does the West get the Conservative news releases then?
Does Western media report the Conservatives but Ontario East does not?
Where are the Conservative Pollsters? Are they against the Conservatives as well?
🙂 majere
Roger – most of the Western media, especially TV news, is syndicated with the national networks.
Ditto for the major newspapers. Westerners are getting fed the same garbage. I have not seen any of the CPC news releases followed up on in Alberta by any media unless a few little weeklies use them as space fillers.
The Liberal party spends YOUR money to do a poll every single day. Earnscliffe which bred Martin’s top advisors for the past 12 years are pollsters. They know the power of “polls” to manipulate and frame the message.
The polling companies used by the media have gotten very large contracts., mustly untendered over the years from the Liberal Government. Or, they are new but have “connections” that can be tracked. That information is easily obtained and was uncovered a few months ago in depth.
THEY do not want audits of those contracts. There are clever ways to get the results you want in a poll…and then the “poll” results are used to manipulate the public.
So we are to believe that 1,000 Canadians, the majority in the GTA because of population clusters represent the views of 33 million people?
And, if they stack the calls during the day they get more at home elderly, ill or welfare…more socialist driven numbers hence we see blips for the NDP.
If they don’t tell us how many “refused to answer”, if we don’t see the entire poll’s questions and have the poll peer reviewed by non-biased third parties then I believe it is unethical and dishonest for the media or anybody to use those polls as fodder for propaganda.
Just my humble opinion as a former market researcher.
What was the poll question? How can we evaluate the results if we don’t know the question? Is this directed at only committed voters or all possible voters unlikely and likely? What is the margin of error?
Notice the decima poll the other day that had the Liberals leading by 16%. Why doesn’t the MSM say that the Conservatives are surging back in the polls from that poll to only be down 8%?
Polls are for those who wish to use them in their own ways.
I honestly thought that the Conservative Party had a contract with a Pollster for their monitoring of the electorate.
I guess I can assume they do not have any Polling Contracts out there?
Anybody in the Party know for sure?
🙂 majere
Wasp – I read somewhere in the blogs where a person who was part of the Decima poll commented that questions to do with anything political was only in the final two minutes and the the lead up questions were designed to bias the respondant by the time they got to the end.
Another person said he ALWAYS refuses to answer polls because if he identifies himself as being a Conservative supporter (an Ottawa person) it could be damaging to his job with the government.
I also know from experience that people lie to pollsters.
So, grains of salt when you see these polls. The yare trying to make you think that their actions are “what the people want”. Hah. Canadians don’t want an election now. They want to wait for Gomery. They just frame the Liberal talking points and go out and get the answers to back them up.
Anybody here been polled recently?
I have written in the past how the media/media pollsters use the Delphi Technique to direct the ignorant to their planned views. To me this is a “given”.
As an aside; yes, I use to get polled all the time over a period of 2 years (almost monthly) going back 6 years or so until I moved from MooseJaw.
Can this be the only, and number one cause of the Conservative problems?
🙂 majere
%27 percent of a people with %100 control of power. Am I talking about Canada of saddamm husein’s Iraq? Where’s the Marines when ya need em’.
I have never, repeat, never been polled by a national poll, and I’ve been around a loooong time. Polling is a game, and means nothing when you alter the questions to give you a desired outcome, not the true and honest response of the respondent.
%27 percent of a population controls %100 percent of the power. Am I talking about Canada or Saddamm Hussein’s Iraq? Where’s the Marines when ya need ’em.
I’m beginning to think the only reason you get polled is if your a card carrying liberal. As for the conservative polls, why bother when all the nationally recognizable pollsters are owned by the liberal media and/or liberals.
Lovely,
So let see if I get this: Polls are meaningless and/or biased unless they show the CPC in the lead, everyone in urban Ontario is stupid, Harper is a genius that speaks the truth at every opportunity and everything is the MSM’s fault. Is this a strategy that will change Canadians’ perception of the Conservative Party or will it just solidify the Lib’s 15 point lead? This is not a rhetorical question.
This is a hit job pure and simple. THIS is what happens in a ‘free , democratic’ society when you cross the guys who have the power. They might not be clean. They might be corrupt, criminal behaviour as natural as getting up in the morning, but they ARE the ones in power. THEY understand how they got there and how they are going to stay there.
The public , they hope, does not. They simply do not get it and will continue to be the sheep they have been groomed to be unless and until they DO get it.
It is painful for those who do get it to watch the hit jobs this corrupt government undertakes on people who disagree with them.
You know without a doubt that Grewal was wide open to this in the first place once he had them dead to rights. And now, the power of the government comes to bear. This is an obvious misuse of a government office. Will we stand for that? (Like we stood by and watched Chretien bully, harass and destroy a man who refused to give his friend, one with a criminal past, a loan?)
Look at what happened to Judge Gomery!
They have tried everything to influence or remove him from that inquiry. And are STILL about that skulduggery.
Whistleblowers do not fare well nor do those who are honest and have integrity.
THOSE principles are dead in the halls of government. Gomery provided endless examples of it.
The question is whether we will stand for this a or not.
The Americans saw what was being perpetrated under the Clinton administration. And more to the point, they saw the naked manipulation that was attempted in the Florida vote in the presidential election of 2000. Up until then it was the first time that this philosophy dared to make itself so nakedly known to the public. ( they had no choice, the plan had gone awry)
More people were watching and listening during that exchange than was previously thought. When it came time to make their mark in 2002 during mid terms they overwhelmingly made their feelings known.
Again, under intense pressure, [just as we are seeing in this country against the Conservatives and anyone and anything that opposes the liberals] the Americans cast their ballots and against all trickery , chicanery and out and out fraud, they voted their principles into office.
The fight for Iraq shows more than anything the idealogical rift that exists in this world: France, Germany, Canada, the UN and any power with any clout decried the launch of a war on Iraq.
Were the environmentalists up in arms with Saddam’s gassings of those who opposed? NO. Were countries at the UN outraged at the unwarranted and relentless repression of an entire country for 35 years by a despot? NO.
THEY got their shorts in a knot BECAUSE something , finally, was going to be done about it. It doesn’t matter what the reasons are or were for going to war in Iraq. It WAS DONE. And it WAS GOOD. It IS good. There are over 8 million people who deliberately defied death to make their mark and proudly show their purple fingers to the world. More specifically to the tactics that kept them enslaved.
The very tactics that we face in this country today.
What is right and good and honest is reviled. What is corrupt, fraudulent, repressive, enslaving, and evil is lauded.
Spinmeisters turn the world upside down making evil good and good worse than evil.
At some time in all of this the people themselves make a choice.
They skew polls to make it SEEM that , now get this: That the Canadian people are FOR: Crime, corruption, fraud. The out and out stealing of taxpayers dollars so that the liberals can keep power over and above not only the best interests of the country but of the best interests of each and every individual Canadian alive. Of present voting age or future.
Here and NOW , this is our test as a people and a nation: Start paying attention if we are not. Listen, learn and start putting the lie to the lies.
This business of Stephen Harper and the Conservatives so low in the polls while Martin and the liberals climb? Does THAT make any common sense to anybody who has been paying attention?
They are afraid. VERY afraid. They have and will try ANYTHING to stay in power.
The danger is that they will succeed.
For the sake of this country and it’s survival the corrupt and criminal liberal party MUST go.
They must be routed like no other party before them. And they must be put in the wilderness for a very long time.
A lesson is coming. Who will be taught?
The liberals or the Canadian People?
If it is the liberals who do the teaching this country will not survive.
And if it is the liberals who succeed with this obvious and corrupt manoeuver to silence anyone who opposes or actually states that a crime has been committed then we as a people will be shamed by our complicity in it by allowing it to stand.
We need to demand Mr. Dosanjh and Mr. Murphy be removed or Mr. Martin be removed immediately. Either or. Preferrably BOTH.
IF there is any chance for the Opposition to bring down this government, they should, out of consciousness alone, if need be, DO IT NOW.
This blight that IS the liberal party cannot stand.
That’s not what Jane Taber says.
EBD,
If you believe anything out of the mouth of Gidget Taber, your initials must stand for, Extra Bloody Dumb!
Lots of ways to interpret this.
Perhaps, this is the one poll out of twenty where the results will be outside the margin of error.I hope so.
Then again I regard the canadian electorate as a whole as a Barbie doll. Whereas Barbie found “math is too hard” most canadians think “reading and thinking is too hard” so they like to receive opinion from the MSM. Of course the MSM also suffer a great deal from the same Barbie complex and tend to prefer to run with the crap turned out by the lieberals rather than actually thinking things through and writing the stuff yourself. Am I being too harsh on my adopted country? I don’t think so.
Is Stephen Harper scary or angry? I met the guy and found him to be thoughtful, pragmatic and personable, he certainly could not make a living as a comedian but hey we have already had our share of actors and comedians as party leaders and look where it has got us.
Is the CPC up to the task? I think so but I have to admit they seem to get beat every time by the lieberals in the battle to get their message out. Can they present their platform positively to the country during the summer – I don’t think so, that’s sad.
Adscam will be a distant memory in a month, and any way the electorate seem to think whats a few hundred millions when we are prepared to pee away billions (thats $x,000,000,000) on stuff like Kyoto, and childcare.
MSM there is as much upside as downside, it may bring some of the immigrant population around Toronto on board, but alienate some of the younger crowd who have grown up in the Trudeaupian school systems.
Grewal tapes – once again the CPC has been out manouevred, imagine releasing the latest info about a serious sound engineer on a Friday in summer. Who makes these decisions?
Summary-the libs are winning because the electorate really does not care. CPC communications seem inept, non-existent or just plain lazy. So sad.
Talk of deportation now; this is certainly snowballing.
Quite a response to the allegations of vote-buying on the part of the Libs.
Do we now have a Canadianism similar to “If it does not fit…. you must acquit”; namely ,
“If you can’t retort….you must deport”
Something to lighten the mood.
The latest track in the Librano Song book
Polls are strongly magnetic.
They always lean towards the Money. 73s TG
Happy Daze, I was part of the Decima poll and posted the experience. As you say, it wasn’t until the final 2 minutes of an 8-10 minute survey that they got down to the real purpose of the phone call. First few minutes were spent on family finances – better or worse in the past few years; questions on home renos – contractor versus independent; DIY, which outlets, etc; but it went on in that vein for quite some time until the last few: election now, who would I vote for? Was I following Gomery? Did I view Libs as very corrupt, somewhat corrupt or not corrupt? Then, who did I see as responsible? Who did I trust? Blah blah blah. Some questions she repeated my answers back with surprise, which tipped me off as to the outcome. Like when I said I’d vote Tory, she said YOu’d vote Conservative? Yes, I said. That sort of thing. At no time ever did they tell me where the poll was going and why it was being done. So if a pollster calls, just hang up, which I’m sure a lot of people did, or were so pissed off by the end of it, that they lied just to give Decima the ‘f-u’ figures.
Maybe the good news is that Harper has nothing left to lose: should aggressively and unequivocally advocate the conservative principles that he believes in; I don’t think that we’ve seen that(and maybe it opens us up to the “hidden agenda” smear): I don’t know Stephen, but I met him when he ran for the CA leadership: told him that I liked Stock, but was disappoined with the 2000 election, and thought that more courage should have been displayed- Stephen clearly disagreed with me- but consider the Supreme Court of Canada decision from last Thursday- Stock had a “no two-tier sign”, Stephen said nothing different (that I could detect): why is it that the Court is showing leadership on an issue that we should own? My point is that we have nothing to fear by being outspoken about what is true, and maybe this poll will help convince Stephen that we can’t join them (the East), we either lead them or leave them.
my view from rural central Ontario…the Liberals have one outstanding advantage…they hold the public purse strings! A lot of folks are on the gov’t teat, either directly or indirectly. Bought with their own money to be sure but bought nevertheless. People fear that the Conservatives would wean them.
Canadians are not political junkies…I find it very difficult to draw people into ‘political’ conversations. The level of awareness and interest seems very low.
It’s great to have a platform, I think every party should have one. It just doesn’t appear that policies win the hearts and minds of Canadians.
I’m somewhat puzzled as to what keeps the Liberal perpetual motion machine in motion??? Money I guess.
cheers,
(nice to find some other Tories, thought I was the last one)
Hmmm. Might be time to change strategy. Although I’m sure they’ll wait until they’re behind the Green Party to do so.
It’s beyond me how the party that is on the right side of the one issue that matters to the most people can screw things up this badly.
If Harper doesn’t know he should paint another Liberal win as the single biggest threat to National Unity… then he needs his head examined.
If he knows it… and he isn’t saying it… then he needs his arse kicked.