Related:What exactly is a flex alert and why does California need one?
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It should be a crime to fleece the taxpayers that way.
They make the laws. They enforce the laws. They will do anything to protect their pensions.
End of story.
Ya ll get a flex alert when the government has made it impossible to generate the power that the people need. We need to hang those who wish to kill us from the wind turbines they have forced us to pay for. Hang them I say!
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. My son lives in Australia. Trust me, this is common. The biggest scam since snake oil!
We also have a windfarm where I live in Northern BC and have the opposite problem with this junk. When the temperature drops to minus 20 to 40 there is no wind . This useless garbage does not belong in any 1st world country .
I’ve driven through that valley, and several others in the BEAUTIFUL Southern California deserts … and they’ve been RUINED. BLIGHTED by the imposition of these 19th century contraptions. Whoever approved these things … HATES the environment.
And a “flex alert” means TURN OFF YOUR AIR CONDITIONING … NOWWWW!! … or the grid operator will do it for you!! Think of it as a … voluntary brownout (under threat of a total blackout)
The last item I read about defunct windmills said there were over 14 thousand of them in the US and that no one, repeat, NO ONE, was doing anything about . No repair, no removal, no nothing. The country should look great 50 years from now, I will be long dead but there will still be some very stupid people left who thought this was a great idea.
Techs in Cali are told to keep them spinning if they can be seen from the interstate, they don’t have to generate, just spin.
Enough is enough no more quit throwing away money on these Bird and Bat maiming neighborhood wrecking wind turbines time to tear down all those wind turbines and recycle them into Bird Feeders,Bird baths and Bird houses
Turdeau and Moroneau Liberals have a plan to encourage business:
a) raise business taxes
b) raise income taxes
c) raise CO2 taxes
d) add more regulations for business to follow
e) raise electricity prices
f) encourage brownouts
This is what happens when “progressives” plan the economy.
I am waiting for moroneau and turdeau to call it a 5 year plan. Neither one knows how to run a business. Turdeau has a degree in literature and Moroneau used to run a personnel firm (i.e. specializing in adding overhead to business).
Justupid Turdeau does not have a degree in anything. No more fake news, please.
Actually he does have a degree in literature, and he is not just stupid, he is very stupid 🙂
I think he spent his youth being educated in socialist planning – you know that very successful planning process employed by the soviet union, red china, Venezuela etc etc
Does Prime Minister Trudeau actually have a degree? It was my understanding that he fooled around in university for a few years (skiing, snowboarding etc.) and then left.
Trudeau undoubtedly has a “celebrity degree”, one in which no professor would EVER fail the Son of Pierre. I wouldn’t doubt Gerald Butts wrote his thesis.
Should be easy enough to investigate, after all, look at the success Americans have had investigating Obama’s education and college years.
Meanwhile, here in Morontario, there is over 5,000 hectares of forest burning at one location north of Parry Sound. The cause of the fire is a construction company clearing land for a new wind turbine development. Too bad it got approved before Ford was elected. I wonder how many years it will need to operate before it generates enough electricity to make up for all the CO2 going up in smoke right now?
Trick question – the answer is infinity because the idiots often throttle 0 CO2 Niagara Falls and boil water with no generation at Bruce nuclear to allow these things to kill jobs faster.
That wind turbine development is owned by an American company operating on First Nations land, receiving highly subsidized electricity rates paid for by the tax payer.
In 20 years when all these wind turbine projects are bankrupt who will pay to dismantle them? We know that answer.
Absolutely, future Ont taxpayers will bear the cost. Most of the Wind outfits are foreign owned and even with lip service contracts to dismantle the towers and return land to crop use, who will force the agreements if they go bankrupt, or simply ignore the orders? The +100 tonnes of concrete and rebar in the pads will be there for eternity. Some companies may spread a bit of fill over the pads and go away, but in a few short years the ugly pads will be exposed. The fields will never be cropped normally again; green zealots will really have a lot to explain for, to our grandchildren. Ont’s greatest folly.
well possibly.
after they sit and sit and rust to the point a couple of them topple over, then the shouldacoulda crew will take over the portfolio.
the question then will be, which of the 4 remaining taxpayers will cover this one.
The whole energy fraud is getting a skeptical LOOK….. A history of gangster price fixing…YES that is you Canadians..
Just look at the price of Natural gas that was tripled in BC by the socialist’s …80% was funded by USA Consumers…
There will be NO CARBON TAX PRICE PASS THROUGH….The Trans-mountain was PETE (Phillips Petroleum)
When Russian Energy price fixing is considered, Canada is the poster child…..
Trump just has to insist that Alternate sources MUST be available to USA Consumers….Competitive pricing, Anti-trust
JMHO
Do engineers have no ethics? Why aren’t governments suing them for lying in the approval phase of these projects. Premier Ford should look into this. The provinces are suing tobacco companies for producing a legal product that has been declared unsafe for 55 years and known to be unsafe for 100 years or more. The provinces and tobacco companies were in a conspiracy to tax addicted poor people. Now one co-conspirator is suing the other. Rich!
To understand the absurdity of wind power, I’ve used the analogy of pretending wind turbines were a “green” car. Would anyone buy a car that was as unreliable as wind power? The car only started about 20-30% of the time and sometimes won’t start for days? That costs about twice as much to buy and operate per kilometer compared to your old car? That forced you to buy a second, conventional car to backup the green car because you need reliabile transportation to work and live? You’ve now spent at least twice as on two cars, one green and one conventional, to get what you need for reliable transportation. The real kicker: the “green” car isn’t much greener than the modern energy-efficient conventional car you bought as the backup car. In fact, if the entire carbon footprint is calculated, including the cost of the two car redundancy needed due to unreliability of the green car, it’s not green at all.
A reliable electricity supply is just as essential as reliable transportation so I don’t see how wind power makes any sense at all if it’s judged objectively, especially when compared to modern combined cycle natgas or hydro. Storage schemes for the wind power doesn’t increase reliability that much, btw, it just dramatically increases the cost.
Re flex alert. The grid needs to have enough on-line reserve to cover the loss of the largest generator. CAL ISO will call for demand reduction to maintain the reserve. Flex alert is the first step with subsequent steps of increased severity, including rolling blackouts. It would be best for customers to heed the plea for reductions. A million customers turning off 100 watts of load gives the ISO another 100 Megawatts of badly needed reserves. Those engineers are sweating this out, believe me.
engineers “sweating” it out. There are a lot of engineers who are just plain desk pilot assholes, trust me on that, I’v worked with enough of them.
Field level engineers are pretty good. Those who cannot handle the intensity and production pressure of field work get redeployed to head offices where their only pressure is office politics, where ass kissing replaces producing MW as a success metric.
Extrapolating from that concept : the further engineers get from field work, the less credible their opinions should be viewed. When you get to bureaucratic and academic level engineers (without substantial field experience) their predictions should be viewed with suspicion because their career depends on conforming to their bosses politics. I suspect that this applies to many professions, not just engineering.
As for who is “sweating it out”, I’d think that would be the 24/7 grid control operators and power production workers who report to the engineers… and those engineers.
I wonder if the cost of building the Ocotillo wind farm would have been more or less than building a nuclear power plant.
But Chernobyl! Three Mile Island! Hiroshima!
If Canada wants a fair NAFTA trade agreement, Energy Pricing must be Investigated.. Lots of reasons for the angst with sources on a cross-border grid & Oil/Gas Pipe lines. Does China get to buy @ wellhead price
A Racketeering task force from the RCMP (Canada) & FBI (US Refining) would uncover if gangster kickbacks are a Problem,,, Looking at the Nat Gas policy of BC (Government buy @ wellhead) is a good place to Start… The opposition to a second Pipeline to BC may have more too do with Wellhead Pricing policy than Greenhead issues… The Foothills Pipeline (from Alaska @ the time) was rejected for some strange reason using the same useless idiots….
JMHO.. Huge benefits to Canadian Consumers
Being a know-nothing desk jockey tech (not engineer), my 2cents is commercial electrical gear motors and such are rated up to 104F temp operating. no surprise those windmills are sitting un-energized in 116F ambient temp. no unicorn farts for cooling….
aaaaaand dont forget now, their ceo whatsisname was george dubya’s preferred choice for, wait for it, *secretary of energy*
ah yes, those business minded ethical republicans in the white house. like their cousins in the energy sector . . . . .
“they ALL do it”
hmmmm, I guess Jerry Brown has yet to discover McGuintys plan for self regulating electricity usage…???
Time of Use Meters..TOU’s do your laundry at 3:00Am Dishes att 4:00Am…
And charge the daylights out of daytime usage..!!
I can just imagine the howl…probably hear it all the way up here in the GWN….
Just what the LEFT COAST Deserves….
C/P and send to Horgan in Vicotria.
Follow the money and you find Power Corp. Who are investing in wind energy.
We’ll need LOTS of wind and LOTs of solar, cause it doesn’t work that often.
And batteries, billions and billions, with the resultant environmental damage. Wanna ask if the Liberals have invested in Lithium etc?
All dreamed up by Maurice Strong. It was his idea to buy and sell carbon credits. And to do so you need?
… that’s right middlemen. And Liberals taking their cut.
It should be a crime to fleece the taxpayers that way.
They make the laws. They enforce the laws. They will do anything to protect their pensions.
End of story.
Ya ll get a flex alert when the government has made it impossible to generate the power that the people need. We need to hang those who wish to kill us from the wind turbines they have forced us to pay for. Hang them I say!
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. My son lives in Australia. Trust me, this is common. The biggest scam since snake oil!
We also have a windfarm where I live in Northern BC and have the opposite problem with this junk. When the temperature drops to minus 20 to 40 there is no wind . This useless garbage does not belong in any 1st world country .
I’ve driven through that valley, and several others in the BEAUTIFUL Southern California deserts … and they’ve been RUINED. BLIGHTED by the imposition of these 19th century contraptions. Whoever approved these things … HATES the environment.
And a “flex alert” means TURN OFF YOUR AIR CONDITIONING … NOWWWW!! … or the grid operator will do it for you!! Think of it as a … voluntary brownout (under threat of a total blackout)
The last item I read about defunct windmills said there were over 14 thousand of them in the US and that no one, repeat, NO ONE, was doing anything about . No repair, no removal, no nothing. The country should look great 50 years from now, I will be long dead but there will still be some very stupid people left who thought this was a great idea.
Techs in Cali are told to keep them spinning if they can be seen from the interstate, they don’t have to generate, just spin.
Enough is enough no more quit throwing away money on these Bird and Bat maiming neighborhood wrecking wind turbines time to tear down all those wind turbines and recycle them into Bird Feeders,Bird baths and Bird houses
Turdeau and Moroneau Liberals have a plan to encourage business:
a) raise business taxes
b) raise income taxes
c) raise CO2 taxes
d) add more regulations for business to follow
e) raise electricity prices
f) encourage brownouts
This is what happens when “progressives” plan the economy.
I am waiting for moroneau and turdeau to call it a 5 year plan. Neither one knows how to run a business. Turdeau has a degree in literature and Moroneau used to run a personnel firm (i.e. specializing in adding overhead to business).
Justupid Turdeau does not have a degree in anything. No more fake news, please.
Actually he does have a degree in literature, and he is not just stupid, he is very stupid 🙂
I think he spent his youth being educated in socialist planning – you know that very successful planning process employed by the soviet union, red china, Venezuela etc etc
Does Prime Minister Trudeau actually have a degree? It was my understanding that he fooled around in university for a few years (skiing, snowboarding etc.) and then left.
Trudeau undoubtedly has a “celebrity degree”, one in which no professor would EVER fail the Son of Pierre. I wouldn’t doubt Gerald Butts wrote his thesis.
Should be easy enough to investigate, after all, look at the success Americans have had investigating Obama’s education and college years.
Meanwhile, here in Morontario, there is over 5,000 hectares of forest burning at one location north of Parry Sound. The cause of the fire is a construction company clearing land for a new wind turbine development. Too bad it got approved before Ford was elected. I wonder how many years it will need to operate before it generates enough electricity to make up for all the CO2 going up in smoke right now?
Trick question – the answer is infinity because the idiots often throttle 0 CO2 Niagara Falls and boil water with no generation at Bruce nuclear to allow these things to kill jobs faster.
That wind turbine development is owned by an American company operating on First Nations land, receiving highly subsidized electricity rates paid for by the tax payer.
In 20 years when all these wind turbine projects are bankrupt who will pay to dismantle them? We know that answer.
Absolutely, future Ont taxpayers will bear the cost. Most of the Wind outfits are foreign owned and even with lip service contracts to dismantle the towers and return land to crop use, who will force the agreements if they go bankrupt, or simply ignore the orders? The +100 tonnes of concrete and rebar in the pads will be there for eternity. Some companies may spread a bit of fill over the pads and go away, but in a few short years the ugly pads will be exposed. The fields will never be cropped normally again; green zealots will really have a lot to explain for, to our grandchildren. Ont’s greatest folly.
well possibly.
after they sit and sit and rust to the point a couple of them topple over, then the shouldacoulda crew will take over the portfolio.
the question then will be, which of the 4 remaining taxpayers will cover this one.
The whole energy fraud is getting a skeptical LOOK….. A history of gangster price fixing…YES that is you Canadians..
Just look at the price of Natural gas that was tripled in BC by the socialist’s …80% was funded by USA Consumers…
There will be NO CARBON TAX PRICE PASS THROUGH….The Trans-mountain was PETE (Phillips Petroleum)
When Russian Energy price fixing is considered, Canada is the poster child…..
Trump just has to insist that Alternate sources MUST be available to USA Consumers….Competitive pricing, Anti-trust
JMHO
Do engineers have no ethics? Why aren’t governments suing them for lying in the approval phase of these projects. Premier Ford should look into this. The provinces are suing tobacco companies for producing a legal product that has been declared unsafe for 55 years and known to be unsafe for 100 years or more. The provinces and tobacco companies were in a conspiracy to tax addicted poor people. Now one co-conspirator is suing the other. Rich!
To understand the absurdity of wind power, I’ve used the analogy of pretending wind turbines were a “green” car. Would anyone buy a car that was as unreliable as wind power? The car only started about 20-30% of the time and sometimes won’t start for days? That costs about twice as much to buy and operate per kilometer compared to your old car? That forced you to buy a second, conventional car to backup the green car because you need reliabile transportation to work and live? You’ve now spent at least twice as on two cars, one green and one conventional, to get what you need for reliable transportation. The real kicker: the “green” car isn’t much greener than the modern energy-efficient conventional car you bought as the backup car. In fact, if the entire carbon footprint is calculated, including the cost of the two car redundancy needed due to unreliability of the green car, it’s not green at all.
A reliable electricity supply is just as essential as reliable transportation so I don’t see how wind power makes any sense at all if it’s judged objectively, especially when compared to modern combined cycle natgas or hydro. Storage schemes for the wind power doesn’t increase reliability that much, btw, it just dramatically increases the cost.
Re flex alert. The grid needs to have enough on-line reserve to cover the loss of the largest generator. CAL ISO will call for demand reduction to maintain the reserve. Flex alert is the first step with subsequent steps of increased severity, including rolling blackouts. It would be best for customers to heed the plea for reductions. A million customers turning off 100 watts of load gives the ISO another 100 Megawatts of badly needed reserves. Those engineers are sweating this out, believe me.
engineers “sweating” it out. There are a lot of engineers who are just plain desk pilot assholes, trust me on that, I’v worked with enough of them.
Field level engineers are pretty good. Those who cannot handle the intensity and production pressure of field work get redeployed to head offices where their only pressure is office politics, where ass kissing replaces producing MW as a success metric.
Extrapolating from that concept : the further engineers get from field work, the less credible their opinions should be viewed. When you get to bureaucratic and academic level engineers (without substantial field experience) their predictions should be viewed with suspicion because their career depends on conforming to their bosses politics. I suspect that this applies to many professions, not just engineering.
As for who is “sweating it out”, I’d think that would be the 24/7 grid control operators and power production workers who report to the engineers… and those engineers.
I wonder if the cost of building the Ocotillo wind farm would have been more or less than building a nuclear power plant.
But Chernobyl! Three Mile Island! Hiroshima!
If Canada wants a fair NAFTA trade agreement, Energy Pricing must be Investigated.. Lots of reasons for the angst with sources on a cross-border grid & Oil/Gas Pipe lines. Does China get to buy @ wellhead price
A Racketeering task force from the RCMP (Canada) & FBI (US Refining) would uncover if gangster kickbacks are a Problem,,, Looking at the Nat Gas policy of BC (Government buy @ wellhead) is a good place to Start… The opposition to a second Pipeline to BC may have more too do with Wellhead Pricing policy than Greenhead issues… The Foothills Pipeline (from Alaska @ the time) was rejected for some strange reason using the same useless idiots….
JMHO.. Huge benefits to Canadian Consumers
Being a know-nothing desk jockey tech (not engineer), my 2cents is commercial electrical gear motors and such are rated up to 104F temp operating. no surprise those windmills are sitting un-energized in 116F ambient temp. no unicorn farts for cooling….
is this related to the tactic employed by the gang at Enron to make a phone call to shut down a generator, watch the grid get overloaded and rates jump for a quick profit?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/enron-caused-california-blackouts-traders-say
aaaaaand dont forget now, their ceo whatsisname was george dubya’s preferred choice for, wait for it, *secretary of energy*
ah yes, those business minded ethical republicans in the white house. like their cousins in the energy sector . . . . .
“they ALL do it”
hmmmm, I guess Jerry Brown has yet to discover McGuintys plan for self regulating electricity usage…???
Time of Use Meters..TOU’s do your laundry at 3:00Am Dishes att 4:00Am…
And charge the daylights out of daytime usage..!!
I can just imagine the howl…probably hear it all the way up here in the GWN….
Just what the LEFT COAST Deserves….
C/P and send to Horgan in Vicotria.
Follow the money and you find Power Corp. Who are investing in wind energy.
We’ll need LOTS of wind and LOTs of solar, cause it doesn’t work that often.
And batteries, billions and billions, with the resultant environmental damage. Wanna ask if the Liberals have invested in Lithium etc?
All dreamed up by Maurice Strong. It was his idea to buy and sell carbon credits. And to do so you need?
… that’s right middlemen. And Liberals taking their cut.