Interesting that kenney expressed similar sentiments today as well. I wonder if they are coordinating their approaches.
I’ve been saying for about a year or so now (not sure if I have expressed this opinion on this site) that the ties that bind this country have not been this weak as they are today for at least the past century.
Spend some time in the lower mainland and you soon get the feeling that that region really Isn’t focussed on the ROC but on the pacific rim and for manifold reasons. The ROC could separate from them somewhere east of Langley and they would hardly notice it. Talk to most of them about Quebec being a distinct society or the needs/demand of a province like PEI and they will laugh or shrug – they certainly won’t be getting their cheque book out.
The Laurentian elite has yet again shown its ancient antiquated bias toward the west (and the east) as being the hinterland – a region to be exploited for the betterment of the centre.
To them Canada is Two diamonds on a gold chain as Justin’s father once said – not a string of pearls as Joe Clarke opined.
I think the vast majority of Canadians don’t realize how quickly this confederation could shatter. Across this country arguments can and are being made that better options are available.
The lack of understanding (or is it deliberate?) at the federal level could plunge this crisis into an irreversible course towards break-up much more suddenly than anyone expects.
The United States has had ambitions of annexing some or all of Canada since before confederation. That possibility has not been closer to happening since Grant was president in the 1870s.
Hopefully America pulls an 1846 and handily takes Canada before realizing the only parts worth keeping are Alberta, Sask, Northern BC and just enough of the Yukon to link Alaska to the Continental US. This would be most natural. Ontario would be left as a Muslim country, Quebec and NFLD would finally become independent once again and the lower mainland a Chinese colony. The rest who cares.
Canada stopped mattering when it stopped being British and started being this utopia based solely on American trade benevolence. Sad
And from South of the Border we could give what remains Minnesota and Michigan and Wisconsin in trade!
Throw in Chicago, and you’ve got a deal! 😀
SOLD!!!
I thought you’d drop urban Cali and Portkand etc
That is tempting, but the US needs a warm-water Pacific port.
Very erudite. San Diego and Vancouver? California can be broken up and certain parts retained until those parts collapse. Then Washington retakes it all by force
I don’t think the US would appreciate a Red Chinese enclave along the mouth of the Fraser.
….NO, we are not interested in adding to our own problems, besides with Trudeau immigration policies, you are totally screwed!
No way is Manitoba sticking with the east.
p.s. Maybe they can get a better name for their state.
Separate from the ON/MB west & leave all of the East to their lefty ways.
Manitoba has large reserves of base metals, gold, industrial minerals, natural gas and oil. The province also has extensive forests and large areas of water for hydroelectric production & with the exception of Winnipeg are severely normal voters.
They also have a massive population of dependents. Manitoba needs sorted out
Be ready for the re-constitution project: That is what I’d advise leaders of Alberta and any Canadian entity. We are in a new kind of chaos and out of chaos comes opportunity.
We here in the United States will welcome Saskatchewan and Alberta with open arms
Someone tell President Trump that the jurisdiction with the highest trade surplus with the US after China is…
Alberta.
Incorporating the western provinces would be a huge economic boon for America (and those western provinces)
I’m from Ontario but my favourite places are all out west. I’d be crushed if you left.
That said, if I were out west I’d be getting out of confederation. Ontario and Quebec are 2/3rds a$$holes and the east are welfare frauds.
The alternative to zoolander is the rent seeking dairy minion.
Effen eff. Take me with you!! If my job/friends/family weren’t here I’d have moved to Canmore already.
Could not agree more that Canada’s unity is very weak. The main strength for many Canadians is the federal promise of social support. The fact that this support is only possible via the government credit card seems to escape so many citizens. When, not if, that card is no longer accepted so much of what unity exists will evaporate. Much of my concern is based on an inevitable global credit crisis.
IMHO POTUS Trump is doing Canada an incredible favor by exposing the very weak leadership this country has had over many years. Even a old Reformer like me can easily lay blame on Reform leadership and the CPC led by Harper. I dwell on the Harper years since it was the last realistic chance Canada had to face up to serious internal issues facing the country. The opportunity was lost as the CPC did not enter a national debate on Equalization, the Three E’s, property rights and the absolute need for concern over debt. I would suggest the citizens of Canada left CPC rule no more financially literate than when they entered. As a party that claims fiscal responsibility as a bedrock plank their performance in establishing that philosophy was poor.
So Canada continues spending GDP $’s based primarily on resource extraction or exports to the USA based on American largesse in access to USA markets. As Trump accurately points out that access can be restricted or capital investment redirected to the USA. On the value added side and increasingly on the resource side the USA is a competitor. Canada has attracted foreign capital partly in return to USA markets via NAFTA. Why wouldn’t Trump want that investment directly?
So, yes Gord, I do think Canada is in a lot of trouble. If the next down turn is measured in decades rather than a couple of years the unity of this country will be at stake. I did not mention the Liebels or Dippers because they are national jokes and mostly a symptom.
What really bugs me about the Harper not moving fast enough argument is two-fold.
First, if re-elected in 2015 we could all have finished the job of killing equalization, the CBC and the LPC.
That didn’t happen, so don’t blame Harper is all I’m saying. He played the cards he was dealt.
Second, and most unnerving, when he finally got strong enough to put the boots to the establishment, his right wing walked out on him because he wouldn’t abandon his moderates &/or was too pragmatic for their liking.
News flash, we need both – libertarians and conservatives – for any chance of ending the cultural hegemony shark and politico-economic abomination that is our Laurentian Elite/LPC, with their mediocracy sycophant pilot fish cleaning up after them.
Conservatives eat their own, always have, unfortunately always will. I weep for our nation and its future as a contiguous state.
“First, if re-elected in 2015 we could all have finished the job of killing equalization, the CBC and the LPC. That didn’t happen, so don’t blame Harper is all I’m saying. He played the cards he was dealt. ”
He played the cards he was dealt? Are you kidding? Harper tip-toed along and listened to his little poli-sci grads in their elf suits who told him to go easy or else he wouldn’t get another kick at the majority can. How’d that turn out? As Margaret Thatcher said about John Major in a similar situation, “you can be too smart by half”.
Harper was brought down by two public images: Mike Duffy, and le beau Justin. He couldn’t do much about the latter, but the first one was entirely his fault. Duffy’s worrisome quest for recognition, power, and perks had been an open secret on The Hill for years.
I disagree. The media focussed on Duffy, but in the end, Duffy did nothing wrong. Duffy was simply an excuse to go after Harper. Duffy did nothing beyond what other Senators had been doing for years. The opposition and the media were relentless in their attacks on Harper. I do not blame Harper for this. I blame the Liberals and their compliant partners in the media. Sadly, taking Harper down has landed us with a completely incompetent Prime Minister, and Canadians will pay a big price for that.
Funny how Duffy has disappeared as a person of interest. I think he was suing someone.
“Duffy did nothing wrong. ”
Of course he did “something wrong.” And everyone knows it. The fact that it was going on for years doesn’t make it right. Being found not guilty is something entirely different.
Duffy was a piss-poor choice and so was Brazeau. But it was the image of porcine little Duffy that stuck in people’s minds….followed up by the related and unbelievable (in the most literal sense) Nigel Wright affair.
Duffy was bad choice for a lot of different reasons that I won’t get into ( Media guy, etc.) but he did not commit any criminal acts and every Media douchebag covering Duffygate knew that. Duffy was simply an easy target for the Media to lynch in the public square, primarily for political purposes. Proving criminal intent against Duffy was never ever going to happen therefore the whole mess was a witch hunt designed by the Media and the Crown prosecutor to inflict maximum damage against the Conservatives during an election and the rubes and the idiots bought it. Juthtin the molester has done the same thing Duffy was accused of but no Media “outrage” and certainly no criminal charges will ever be brought against the Molester. Read the Judges decision regarding the Duffy file, he essentially states that it was a witch hunt that should’ve never made it to trial, he eviscerates the RCMP and the Crown prosecution for using the courts to play politics.
Harper also ran the worst election campaign in history.
There is no chance at all of the US accepting any Canadian Province. Canadians are socialists to a man, and the entrance of any Province would permanently shift power to American Progressives. This is the same reason Puerto Rico can never become a state.
I suppose if we could expel California and New York, then we could absorb one or two of the western Provinces.
“Why buy the cow when you can have the milk for free?” has never been more applicable on so many levels….
I cannot agree. Your statement ‘to a man’ …. I am a man and I am no Fn socialist. I know many people in Western Canada who are quite conservative, most of my extended family are conservative and they live mostly in Ontario … Have you ever noted how many conservatives are elected in western Canada? I think it’s more likely that a third of Canadians are conservative. You don’t notice it because we don’t go around protesting everything and running with the gay parade gang, we are busy working and trying to have a life.
There wasn’t a lot of difference in the voting numbers between liberal and conservatives last time … Liberals were first past the post. if that happens again, Canada will be no more.
Government funded health care is soscalist. Any Conservative who supports government funded health care is a soscalist. Not a conservative. Given that FACT what percentage of Canadians would you estimate are conservative?
I don’t know what the percentage is, but I know what it isn’t. It isn’t 100%, because I don’t support government funded health care.
BS.
That comment Applies ONLY to Ontario and all parts East. + the Left Coast. Thanks to Equalization for the East and Cali influence on the West. But do not be suprised with the amount of conservatives in both Ontario & Quebec..they are there. Doug Ford being elected as Premier of Ontario being a excellent example.
The EAST Coast..? yea i’ll grant you that one.
As for Alberta and Sakatchewan..? They are most definitely NOT socialist regardless of what happened in Ab a few yrs ago….that Commie crew is about to be annihilated.
PERIOD.
There has always been an undecurrent of separation her in Alberta…and that my friend is now bound to explode.
steak…hw long were the NDPee in power is saskabush and Manitoba. Now you got NDPee is newfberta. And good old Prescott Banning advising the “wildrose” party to embrace goreBULLwarming. You prarrie a$$hole haven’t clue as to what you are whining about most of the time. It was like that in the early 80T’s, when I had customers out there, and not much has changed. Stupid doesn’t even start to cover it!!!
SK will be a socialist province as long as they have so many crown corporations. Until the populace understands this, you can’t really assert that we are NOT socialist. The government literally owns some of the largest enterprises in the country. A party should be able to run on a platform of privatization and win, in this day and age. Devine tried that in the ’80s and he was the main reason that we had NDP for decades after. The fact is a party still cannot even mention privatization and have a chance of winning an election. And so SK remains a socialist province.
Bob,,,I’m thinking the same thing. For cripes sakes, Alberta has a socialist government RIGHT NOW !
Saskatchewan had a socialist government for DECADES !
Look what B.C. has for government right now, socialist NDPers aided by Enviromental MARXISTS !
Manitoba had socialist governments for DECADES !
Look what Ontario has had for government for the last 12 years, LIBERAL NEOMARXISTS who ruled every bit to the left as an NDP government! Oh ya, they did once have an NDP government !
Has Que Beck ever had a Conservative government, who didn’t act like the Liberal party.
Look who’s in power federally, a Liberal government that is using about a third of the LEAP paper policies !
Canada as a whole is a socialist nation. I used to say 60% socialist but it is now 80%, at least. It will be just about impossible to elect a conservative government nationally, maybe a conservative lib/lite government but not one that will stand up for freedom.
Old notions of left/right are dead. Racial identity politics is the future
Hi Carl. You will probably never see another NDP government in Alberta. You will probably have a chance at 2 or 3 seats maximum in Redmonton. The hard lessons of Saskatchewan were known by most transplants from the NDP years in Saskatchewan. That is why native Calgarians are hard to find in Calgary, and so many green uniforms show up at McMahon when the Riders are in town. The last 4 years in Alberta will be remembered for a century.
We can only hope it will be remembered.
Alberta had Conservative governments for many decades, or did you just miss that? Manitoba flips back and forth from decades of NDP to decades of Conservatives. Saskatchewan, does the same. In fact, we’re probably the most open minded and political mobile provinces in the country. Can’t say that about California and a whole lot of other states.
Jane…open minded, you meant mindless I’m sure!!
I’d be happy belonging to a US Territory, a la Puerto Rico, if that were the only option.
Westcanada won’t join the US. BC, AB, SK and possibly MB can go it alone and free trade with the US. No subsidies, no tariffs.
Alberta gong it alone faces the same problems as Canadian Alberta
I completely disagree. No Republican politician is going to stand against adding a massive new chunk of the continent to the union – it would be political suicide.
Canada is no more socialist than America. Welfare spending is about the same, the US actually has a much bigger deficit.
The east and west coasts of the US are decidedly socialist.
I would trade my Canadian passport for a green card and a 40% tax cut in a heartbeat. But maybe that is just me.
There a few of us that would do that in a heartbeat. But it would be easier to be brown skinned and cross illegally from Mexico, those are the only immigrants that seem to be wanted……a slave class, at least up until MAGA.
“The United States has had ambitions of annexing some or all of Canada since before confederation.”
The one thing that saves us is that most Americans, including the important ones, don’t know what’s up here. If they ever start doing “look at those Canadians!” in the US media, that’s when there’s going to be trouble.
“I think the vast majority of Canadians don’t realize how quickly this confederation could shatter. Across this country arguments can and are being made that better options are available.”
Funny how nobody is talking about the best option: an intact Canada with a sane, responsible, SMALL government. The people talking about Separation are mostly guys who want to carve out a little piece for themselves.
Not me, all I want is a capitalist, democratic small government … we do NOT have that. I would wecome either a seperation of the four western provinces becoming ‘Western Canada’ or an outright joining up with the USA.
But just the four western provinces. Why bring the scummy communist, multi- culti, welfare parts of Canada with us.
I lost all pride in being a Canadian during the PET reign of socialist terror that I watched while living in the USA. Everyone thought that the longish haired, sports car driving, bachelor was oh- so cool back in the 60s and 70s …
… until he bankrupted the economy and took away our system of measures and foisted upon us the very costly & divisive bilingualism and multiculuralism and a giant step into soul-destroying socialism.
I didn’t start getting it back until Harper.
But now …. With this little shit-show butterfly running it with his back room ghouls and a Posse of vapid pussy. I am ashamed to be a Canadian.
Bring on the break up. Canadians dont’ deserve their own country if they think Trudeau is worth a vote.
JV
B I N G O..!!
Living now thru Trudeau ver 2.0
I am 1000% in agreement with your commentary. I too have had enough of these Marx Loving TRAITORS. Both of these Bastards have cost me plenty…lots of income and a house among them.
Well said. We thought we were getting Phantom’s best option when we elected Harper. Where did that get us? PM Numbnuts promptly rolled back almost every Harper policy and is working on rolling back the rest, and is actively working to destroy the western Canadian economy. And, the media cheers him on.
And the man and woman on the street in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver does not give a tinker’s dam, but swoons over ‘pretty hair’.
BC, at least Greater Wangcouver , is also part of the multi-culti, as is Victoria with all its Greentard BANANA crowd as well. It wouldn’t be a simple cut and paste, the leftwards would have to be driven out first, good luck with that, especially with far-left Washington State nearby
Totally agree. Meanwhile, my wife and I spent the maximum amount of time we can every year in the good ole U.S of A.
Nice folks, great neighbors, and we love the overwhelming sense of freedom we feel, as soon as we cross the line.
“we love the overwhelming sense of freedom we feel, as soon as we cross the line.”
Does you still love when you’re at one of the internal border checkpoints?
“Does you still love when you’re at one of the internal border checkpoints?”
Absolutely especially when I see them are rounding up scum like you, double that if you try to resist.
Ah so you’re a psychopath. It’s gonna hurt when President Booker shuts those down along with the rest of ICE.
Nothing psychopathic about keeping your yard clean.
Think of ICE as sanitation and of yourself as feces.
“The people talking about Separation are mostly guys who want to carve out a little piece for themselves.”
All separatists – whether the Albertan or Québec variety – are very much the same: they appear like small, cranky, spoiled children who are having tantrums because they’re not getting their own way all the time.
The other odd aspect is their need to cling to conspiracy theories; I note the dreaded “Laurentian elites” are getting the usual work-out here, you know, Canada’s stand-in for the Illuminati and the Bilderberger Group.
Gosh, if only the country were being secretly ruled by some shadowy, all-knowing, cleverly devious inner circle.
Instead, we have a rather inept and cack-handed Federal Government led by a petulant drama teacher and a high school student council, stumbling from one giant fumble to the next, hostages to their own overweening sense of self-wonderfulness and righteousness. God help us.
There’s nothing shadowy or mysterious about who runs Canada, it’s the same group that invites each new PM to a weekend at McCain’s Lodge on the first weekend after he is elected.
The influence these people have is no different than in any other developed country, in Britain they are called the aristocracy.
There’s nothing cultish or secret about them, they very openly participate in Canada’s government choosing every PM through their outsized influence. Power Corporation is aptly named, the corporation that has had four PM’s and several Premiers on it’s payroll at one time or another.
There’s no conspiracy either, they simply operate in the best interests of their corporations, which often don’t coincide with the best interests of the ordinary Canadian. To refuse to recognize the influence of this group and to cling to the idea that the politicians are actually in charge of the country, is to deny reality in favor of the propaganda sown in grade school.
You can’t even name these people. JJM is right it’s another conspiracy theory.
Exactly. As also known as the Laurentian Elite. Darrell Bricker (pollster) and John Ibbitson (journalist) talk about their thoughts on the demise of the Laurentian Elite’s grip on power in Canada in their jointly authored book, “The Big Shift”. Boy, were they wrong, the Globalist subscribed Power Corporation and the Paul and Andre Desmarais family are very firmly in control of Canada.
Quebec deserves to be on her own. It’s what they’ve always wanted. She doesn’t fit into Canada and Canada literally pays her to stay. Quebec may you one day be free of the Anglo menace
People who are so monumentally stupid, and sex-obsessed as to vote in a Trudeau government, do not deserve a country.
“People who are so monumentally stupid, and sex-obsessed as to vote in a Trudeau government, do not deserve a country.” Absolutely! There is no cure for stupid. No serious nation would ever vote for someone so unqualified for the position of power as Juthtin the Molester and crew. Astonishingly inept and unserious electorate. Blow the place up…. Trudopia is an insane asylum, as intended by the man that imposed it.
Well the US did vote in Obama twice. He probably had less experience than Trudeau, but all in all having idiots run things is never good.
I very much think there is a pathway to saving this confederation. But I fear like the book Guns of August outlined how the momentum that could have been stopped in August 1914 wasn’t and the horror that began in November happened.
My point is I think it possible that we are running out of time – that many who lead this country don’t see disintegration being a possibility and thus we may be a lot closer to reaching a point of no return.
Does anyone here know whether or not Canada is a legal nation / country or just a defacto one?
Go back to the difference between de facto and de jure, the latter being defined (by Wikipedia, for convenience) as:
“In law and government, de jure (/deɪ ˈdʒʊəri, di-/; Latin: de iure, lit. ‘in law’ Latin pronunciation: [deː juːre]) describes practices that are legally recognised, whether or not the practices exist in reality.”
So, yes, Canada is clearly a “legal” country on paper. What’s at issue, as Gord and others are pointing out, is the extent to which there is de facto, or real, substance to the country. While nothing has changed on paper, in reality, our performance has slipped, IMO, perhaps even irretrievably so, which is Gord’s point.
Cause? Go back to Napoleon on malice and stupidity (Hanlon’s Razor). I think we know where the trouble lies, or most of it.
Its ‘post-nationalist’ on its way to Shithole.
If we can get rid of that abortion of a constitution 10 old white guys and some foreign white woman foisted on Canada a few decades back I would gladly fly the stars and stripes.
Joe, if you read Canada’s Founding Debates by Janet Ajzenstat you’ll discover that a lot of thought went into our constitution by a lot of people during the 1860’s. The option of forming a federal Republic similar to the USA was seriously considered but was ultimately dismissed mostly because the American model didn’t seem to be working so well at the time (civil war). I would argue that the final product in 1867 was a good compromise for Canada and was generally working well until Turdeau senior got his hands on it in 1982 and defiled it with that atrocity known as The Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I believe it’s the Constitution Act 1982 to which Joe refers.
The imposition of the Turdeau Charter is the problem, a malignant malicious document imposed without consent from those that it victimizes.
The entire constitution especially the charter was designed to protect the government from the people.
I resent that remark. We old guys were against Trudeau and his constitution of by lawyers, of lawyers and for lawyers. We knew the folly.
“The United States has had ambitions of annexing some or all of Canada since before confederation. That possibility has not been closer to happening since Grant was president in the 1870s.”
When President Trump decides he’s had enough of a Chinese satellite state on the northern border, Canadians from sea to sea will greet the Marines as liberators. Only a few jihadis will care to be the last to die for tasteless, overpriced cheese with French on the wrapper.
America will be hated for absorbing Canada. So be it. She will be self-sufficient in food and energy, so as long as she is feared by her enemies, it will not matter how much they hate her.
Bring it on. I live in Ottawa and am looking forward to giving an American soldier directions to Rideau Cottage.
Accept annexation! Not the tough, lean , hardened Canadians I know! We’d retreat into the mountains, dig holes to live in, and attack the Yankee held cities until the Yanks would think they were facing the Viet Cong on steroids! (We’d use a battle cry like,”GO Wolverines”, borrowed from a popular Hollywood fantasy.)
At least, that’s the fantasy of some people, the reality is, as long as most of us could earn a decent living or collect a decent pension, we’d go without a whimper. And if the conquering Yanks lowered the price of groceries and beer, and let us win the occasional Stanly Cup, we’d cheer them to the rafters.
Best part would be renaming all those monuments to Liberalism, Mount Trudeau, the St.Justin Seaway……
Keep looking forward. It’s never happening. Seek help before you get yourself or someone else hurt.
Makes me very sad to read, but really no other rational option.
Would be a great thing.
I agree, and have thought this since before Harper was elected. I gave it one more chance after Harper’s election, but that is gone now.
Canada, particularly western Canada, is being destroyed economically and we haven’t heard from Andrew Who all week.
The sooner, the better.
Agreed,Ken. When I get my daily plea for money from the CPC,and they tell me, “we’ve got to get behind Scheer to save Canada”, in my mind I read, “Andy needs a higher paying job,help us out,willya”.
Canada really is an artificial construct. I mean really… Its the entire northern half of a continent! and we could not find the political will to buy 12 lousy helicopters. What makes anyone think we would ever build a pipeline? If we ever became a truly unified nation, the central power brokers in the family compact and the chateau clique would lose their leverage. Why else would a national political party campaign on a slogan of diversity is strength? Total BS, and it worked.
All the US has to do is wait a few years and they will be able to take over anyway. Canada will become a failed state very quickly if Trudeau continues his nonsense. I, for one, welcome our new Trumpian overlords.
That’s fine for now, but at some point, the Democrats will obtain the power of the U.S. government. How will you feel then, when millions of illegal economic migrates flood into the country, because Dems open the borders, provide “free health care to all”, and double or triple income taxes. And don’t think they’ll look the other way with your assets either, they be adding Estate tax, Death tax, a Financial Trading tax, Luxury tax, Wealthy Homeowners tax, Consumption taxes,,,,etc.
I hate the fact Canada is letting these illegal economic migrates crossing our border now, but these numbers will seem like nothing, literally nothing,,,compared to the numbers that will flood in with an open border policy.
Not sure I want to be part of that.
It seems you are part of it anyway. With Turdeau’s open door policy the numbers will certainly increase.
That’s why white consciousness is rising. Unless whites come to the realization that identity politics isn’t just an icky bugbear of democracy but an actual political reality, what you’re saying will indeed be inevitable
White consciousness always rises when the non-white population of the US gets to about 17%. There’s always a ‘white extinction’ panic that’s total BS. Identity politics is a consequences of mixed economies-there’s a central power to fight over, and the group that takes it wins. Stupid people go with the group they define most easily: their race. Hence the popularity of white identity politics amongst the white trash. Won’t matter this time because now we’re gonna become a majority-minority nation and so is America.
“that’s total BS”
Of course, tell it to white South Africans. That is a blueprint for you. When low IQ becomes majority we become turd world and that is where Canada is heading, a perfect example of national suicide if there ever was one. All you’re capable of doing is taking from others. The shithole you crawl from never develops because of you and those like you.
Funny how whites are the only group not allowed to identify with their race.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that culture is the same as race. “No dogs or Irish” had nothing to do with skin colour, it had to do with the belligerent, anti-intellectual entitled culture of the new immigrants, and how it clashed with those who were already here.
Dr. Thomas Sowell has some eye opening essays and books that can explain this far better than I could.
Don’t forget the big “gas guzzling” tax on SUVs and pick up trucks. It will come from the Democrats.
Oh and if they get in the US will get a carbon tax on gasoline, natural gas, and coal.
JV
B I N G O..!!
Living now thru Trudeau ver 2.0
I am 1000% in agreement with your commnary. I too have had enough of these Marx Loving TRAITORS. Both of these Bastards have cost me plenty…lots of income and a house among them.
As I often have said, Canada is a giant welfare scam with those east of the Ottawa river the beneficiaries of those in the west. Like all welfare schemes, it is not sustainable. Furthermore, in an effort to control those that are the productive members of this confederation, more and more hobbles are placed on them. The laurentian elite realize that if the west was completely unfettered, their grasp on this nation would immediately dissipate.
I truly admire the United States and have often thought of emigrating there. However, I love Alberta and the west more. I love the community that my grandparents built. I love our British heritage, a heritage that is constantly attacked by our “betters” in the name of appeasing both the french and the ever greater number of people imported to turn our country into a third world country.
I seek A New Dominion. A nation founded on the principal that ALL are equal and ALL have certain inalienable rights. A small government and the freedom to pursue one’s life in peace. All of which have been absent from Canada for the last 50 years. (A flag with our Union Jack in the corner too!)
Hear, hear
Why are fucking absolute and total morons whinging like Canada deserves any loyalty, any respect, any protection.
Not only should we separate, there should be an immediate and total war on BC, Ontario, and Quebec. We should burn everything they have, salt their fields so nothing will ever grow again, and go fire bombing of Dresden on Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver for the treatment they have subjected the rest of us to for the entire history of this continent.
No negotiations.
No reconciliation.
No forgivness.
No mercy.
No quarter.
We should turf Scott Moe while we are at it, cause he ain’t never going to do anything other than talk, and thank Canada for the paddling, and ask politely for another.
MOE IS A CANADIAN FIRST AND ONLY. Gives not one frack about Saskatchewan. Not a single one.
“We should burn everything they have, salt their fields so nothing will ever grow again, and kill every single last person in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver for the treatment they have subjected the rest of us to for the entire history of this continent.”
Here, let me boil that right down to what you really mean:
“I am insane.”
No need to thank me.
Kevin, don’t hold back, tell us what your really thinking.
Wow!
I’ve always said Alberta will separate before Quebec ever does. Quebec wants the transfer payments and Alberta is tired of paying for them.
Dude. You need to chill, you are starting to sound like an Eastern Troll.
….Not interested in “annexing” parts of Canada at this time or any other time, we got huge problems in the US right now!
….Canada is infected with the unstopped open borders virus, that will destroy the Confederation…Makers vs Takers…
Yep, we have the unstopped open borders. But the Canada US border is long enough that neither the US or Canada could afford to build a wall. And the vast majority of all the unstopped immigrants seem to come from the US.
Can’t help but notice that every 10 years or so, doesn’t the US give defacto amnesty to 10 million or so illegal aliens?
I doubt Trump will build his wall with Mexico. I’ve been wondering when he just busses them to Canada. Of course when they experience their first winter here they will want to return to the USA.
As I wrote on a thread a few days ago, I had hope for this country before the 2015 election. I don’t any more.
Rupertsland now!
Are you flying the Rupert’s Land flag? You know that you can still get an HBC flag. I have. It’s flying right now from the back of my house.
Canada has a lot of potential. That the potential has never been realized and is currently being degraded can be attributed to incompetent leadership past and present. Not much sign of improved leadership from the alternatives likely to be elected.
It is more likely the United States will wait a round of devaluation or two before picking up the scraps for cheap.
Businesses (countries?) are like boxes that you turn the crank on the side and money comes out. The box is worth what the cash flow is. It doesn’t matter that somebody once paid a lot more for the box (destruction of capital and inability to cover interest costs if free cash flow has dropped). Nor does it matter that the box will generate a lot more cash flow if the buyer knows how to turn the crank better. Potential gains go to the buyer not the seller.
I am reminded of an interview with a mall owner when asked if he would be trying to buy a failing mall near Baltimore. He said something along the lines of “I am not interested at fifty cents on the dollar this time or twenty-five cents on the dollar next time. I will probably be interested when it is ten cents on the dollar.”
Of course, countries are not like malls. Malls you have to take the whole thing. Countries you only have to take the parts worth having. 🙂
One of the greatest scandals of the past 100 or more years us how much Canada has failed to make the most of its potential. That we aren’t vastly more wealthy per capita than the US or any other country is national equivalent of a mortal sin.
Any country that throws out its identity and its history is doomed… Peeair knew that, thats why he did that… welcome to the ethno nationalist one party state of Trudopia.
Malice (Peeair) or incompetence (the stepson) the results are the same.
1. B.C. lower mainland (north to Squamish, east to Abbotsford) goes to Washington State.
2. Ottawa and environs we give to New York State; Toronto south to the border we give to Michigan.
3. Quebec becomes Haiti Nord.
4. The Maritime provinces go to Maine.
5. Newfoundland becomes a British dependency again.
Everything else stays. Whether we keep calling it “Canada” I don’t know. Just to infuriate the Chateau Clique and Family Compact I’d say let’s keep the old name.
Fixed! And at very little political impact to the Yanks, and no real economic dislocation that I can think of. Just a net uplift to the “real” Canada.
Who gets The People’s Republic of Vancouver Island?
We will harry them out of the land.
China
NO F***ING WAY!
With a little luck, the Pacific.
Boo Coo Tsunami.
I live in Victoria and have to say that would be cruel.
Yes, not everyone in Victoria area is a farleft greentard. Sure seems that way though.
This is the center of union government employee land. This will always be a far-left enclave.
Its ironic, they bitch and complain about their government employer, but they sure love MOAR government….and keep voting for more of the same. Their unions ensure compliance, sending out lists of who to vote for municipally, and enforce the “ENDP is your friend” mantra endlessly.
Even business people in the city, seem to be brainwashed, espousing socialist policies, while said policies are counter productive to their well being. Even realtors, who are about as capitalist as one would expect, are prone to espousing socialist policy (they are slimey, for the most part, few are stand up honest people). Its bewildering, the stupid is strong here.
This ON transplant has bad news to share. Toronto is far more enamored with the statist leviathan than Victoria.
If we can’t win hearts and minds here, even in Victoria, then we’re toast, so let’s find out now to limit the damage.
Agreed. I wouldn’t want to lose the Island, or the Gulf Islands for that matter. The lower mainland would have been salvageable 30 years ago, but it’s a total write-off now. Best to jettison it off to Seattle.
To keep the Island within a renewed Canada, (see proposal above), there is always the India/Pakistan solution. Give the residents 12 months to choose sides (Greater Vancouver or Victoria/Island) and let them live with their choice forever afterwards.
In an ideal arrangement of a future Canada, there would be much less government, so the parasite class would naturally choose the U.S. homeland over the Canadian frontier.
Vive Alberta Libre…
The separation of Alberta (and if they wish, parts of Saskatchewan and B.C.) from the rest of Canada would not be a radical step for any reason other than the psychological impact on some individuals. It would simply be a recognition of the reality, particularly in economic terms, of the status quo. The Trans Mountain fiasco is not the death knell of confederation in and of itself, but heaped on top of the Northern Gateway blockade by the federal government, the Energy East veto by Quebec plus the ongoing siphoning of funds from Alberta via the “equalization” system (renewed without any direct consultation with the payers) in a time of economic downturn simply illustrates in glaringly obvious terms the fact that the Canadian confederation does not function in any manner resembling a unified economic or political entity.
With the Trans Mountain ruling the argument that Alberta must remain in confederation to get its resources to tidewater is risible. The only way Alberta will reliably get its resources to tidewater and thereby be able to obtain world price for them will be through the United States either through Seattle or Portland, the Gulf of Mexico, or with the cooperation of the NWT and Yukon through Alaska with Alberta constituted as a U.S. state or as a U.S. affiliated entity a la Puerto Rico.
Albertans have not divided the country. Laurentian elites, “activist” judges, and foreign funded professional agitators working hand in hand with left-wing politicians in this country have already done that. Alberta separatists are simply saying the roast is done and it’s time to start carving.
Well said.
Sorry Canada, but MY President is REDUCING the amount of lands owned by the Federal Government … you remember that concept … PRIVATE PROPERTY. Oh well, perhaps Exxon will buy up some Canadian property in the coming Fire Sale
This is why “conservatives” like Gord continue to lose ideological traction with people, how you get Trump, and why the (real) alt-right is inevitable.
If you’ve read Gord’s replies here for any length of time, you know he thinks that anyone holding government issued ID is a Canadian. Not whether they believe in Canadian ideals or anything like that. Nenshi is a true Canadian to him, the Somali chewing khat on welfare is, the Somali’s four wives all dressed up like mailboxes are, too.
You cannot decry the lack of Canadian unity, the decline of Canadian values while simultaneously thinking that those actively working against are either fully wearing your jersey or “are Canadians just like us, golly gee”. Until those that are not Canadian go back, until “conservatives” like Gord stop thinking globalists like Jason Kenney are the ones who’re just going to fix things nothing would change in the new Cascadia.
But, but, what about the REAL native Canadians chewing Alder bark on their pipeline-free native lands ? … nevermind.
As you already know, Canadian culture is getting squeezed from both ends. Sad.
Yes, by the activist left and virtue sniveling “conservatives” who want the activist left to like them.
LOL. Better get used to brown people DS, they’re as Canadian as you and I and only getting more numerous. The ‘alt right’ is inevitable because losers with few social skills and fewer job prospects always look for an out group to blame their failures on. Yours is brown people.
Yes, and when you turn Canada into Trinidad where are you going to flood next?
It’s not so I’m not.
It is happening, shitholes like Milton and Brampton are perfect examples of it, and you have no back up plan … just $hit where you eat and hope someone will pick up after you. Your limitations are illustrated by what you left behind you not by what you haven’t managed to destroy yet.
So Nenshi – born and raised in Canada is less of a Canadian than you or me?
I’m first generation Canadian- my father was born in Newfoundland. Am I less of a Canadian than you?
Just because Nenshi and I disagree with you doesn’t make you more Canadian than you or I.
Trudeau’s mantra “diversity is our strength” but the facts are proving otherwise. While he is presiding over a divided country, the greatest east west divide we’ve ever seen, he is bringing in more and more illegals/irregulars about which he knows nothing.
Adding to the mess he’s going to have pot flowing more freely in hopes enough people will be happy, free of all cares and cast their votes for the Trudeau/Butts destructive company.
My main concern is how dare he make it legal on October 17th, my natal day. There can’t be enough people living in a pot haze to return that lot to power. If there is we are doomed.
I hope to enjoy this conversation after the NAFTA discussions are set aside, PM Imbecile blames President Trump, and the Supreme Court of Canada agrees with the previous Federal Court ruling re: pipeline (s), the west is still stuck with a carbon tax, and then President Trump imposes 25% tariffs on the Canadian auto industry.
Perfect timing to watch PM Imbecile shit the bed.
It’d never happen. The Catholics have always run this country from the East and for the East. The West was always to be exploited for their benefit.
If the West voted to separate, they’d slow walk the process like Brexit, and their allies would ensure there’d be no market for the West’s products.
If AB could get it’s oil to a coast it could easily become it’s own country – think Norway. The political will in this province is not what it was 30 or 50 years ago. Hard core conservative thought still exists but it is mostly in the ranch community. Some downtown Calgary oil types are conservative/pragmatists. Conservatives have been extirpated in Edmonton.
A charismatic separatist will have to emerge to coalesce a separation movement. Not likely to happen.
If the value of your currency is supported by all unconsumed resources then Canada still has some ‘money in the bank’…..so to speak.
If we are unwilling to exploit those resources the consequences will be severe.
Countries come and go all the time. Canada is not a homogeneous society bound together by a common purpose. It has no raison d’etre. I have asked this question all my life, for what reason does Canada exist?
What reason? Hockey players? Burnt coffee served by a Brazilian owned chain? Poutine? Turning a once productive country into a giant park?
The future is not yet written, but can be forecast given current trends, and its not a pretty picture.
Join Merica ,well I would think that would depend if it was a Republican or a Democrat America wouldn’t it ,since one party is the same as what we already have ?
New France, HBC, Dominion, North west territories, New England, Vineland, New Scotland, Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Canada, it’s all just a dream. One power after another seeking to claim land and enslave or control the population. 400 years from now, Canada will just be a bit of trivia downloaded into the chips in your brain.
Governments fall but the people endure.
There of course is the problem of the Canadian constitution that is an artificial construct.
In being an artificial construct, it is completely devoid of equality.
The constitution is a dictatorial nonsense that gives startlingly unequal position to different parts of the country, specifically Q’bec being supremely more equal than any other province. In steps, other provinces are less and less equal, not based on anything other than their voting record.
If you look at this from Wikipedia:
….. Ontario has 40 percent of Canada’s population but only 24 seats, while the smaller Atlantic Provinces have a combined 30 and British Columbia, the third most populous province, only has six seats….
It actually is bass ackward, before you say anything, Ontario should not get any seat until they get their house in order.
They, not only screwed up their province something fierce, the rest of the country is gonna be paying for it.
Just watch.
Of course it is the low life politicians (full respect to the very few exceptions), that screw things up and then in a technique of trying to fix their idiocy, they screw it up more and more.
The most plausible Confederation break-up scenario is the informal one in which Chinese corporations buy enormous chunks of Canadian farmland, mining concessions, and real estate. This is the Liberal Party vision, and the psychic and real graft they obtain will be fabulous. They will be the merciless overseers who will insure that no Canadian person or law will be able to threaten the cash flow from these investments to their owners.
Uh huh. When your China fantasies go the way of Japan fantasies from a quarter century ago, who will be your new boogeyman?
✔ to JV @ 945 & 953 am
“right on!”
Trump is currently preparing a dogshit sandwich from which Trudeau and the rest of Canada will soon take a bite.
Ironic that a lot of the peckerwood premiers fought Harper while he did more for decentralization. Now we have PM Puddle Depth who resents provincial power, hates people who disagree with him, wants to tax the crap out of everyone and change the face of the post nation by a million people every 3 years.
Separation of the West will be good for them and bad for the remaining neo-Marxists in Canadistan but it also gives me a place to retire if I get the chance and that’s what counts the most.
Have a good weekend.
Alberta separation?
As if.
Notley and turdo la doo have been publicly pissing on and laughing at these Texan wannabees for years and they haven’t once blocked the TransCanada or laid siege to the Legislature in protest.
Agreed. They won’t even publicly demonstrate. They haven’t a chance up against the thugs of the Liberal party who as you say, must roll on the floor laughing whenever they contemplate the crap they load on Westerners with nary a complaint. They need to punch back twice as hard, starting with a campaign of constant public harassment of their oppressors.
Why would the US annex part of Canada when it could just wait till the creditors decide to sell off our repossessed assets for a discount?
Can you even separate from a post-national entity?
If there is no nation, we’re already a part of? NOTHING.
Maybe Trudeau using the term post-national logically ended Canada. I wonder how that argument will be taken come tax time…
Canada is just a state and there’s nothing wrong with that. Trudeau is kind of an idiot savant because while most of what he says us stupidity, his separation of nation and state was sheer brilliance. A moment that will shine through history. Just as state and Church must be made separate, so much nation and state. There’s no reason a country has to have any ties that bind besides common law and the courts that enforce it.
As the Captain is fond of saying … enjoy the decline
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/wacky-canadian-economy-lost-51-600-jobs-led-by-ontario-plunge-1.1134558
whilst parading around the welfare office in your man-skirts, and lipstick.
It’s not happening. This is almost total fantasy right now and should be treated as such at least until poll numbers start showing a real move to separation.
There is nothing wrong with a lack of interest by parts of the country for other parts. That’s actually a very good thing-just let each other go along and do our thing. No ‘ties that bind’ please. And no annexation to the dying welfare state that is the US please.
Ha! I’m flattered Kate.
And then there’s this looming on the horizon:
A (massive) bailout of the province of Newfoundland.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/seamus-o-regan-muskrat-1.4812839
And if the Feds write a check to NL, will NS, NB, PEI and QC be far behind?
What will west’s reaction be?
I don’t think that’s an option for the feds. That will just take too much money. Trudeau to the best of my knowledge has not turned up the equalization taps. He wants the money to be spent on his own goodies.
We’ve gone down a bad road with this “first nations” concept, it gives too much power to the leftist sympathizers among native leaders (not all of them are, but enough). Calling any small village at the end of a dirt road in the middle of nowhere a “nation” is patently ridiculous and opens the door for the sort of divisive politics we see in British Columbia today (B.C. is where this concept is most exploited for its potential to disrupt economic growth).
When we realize that this flaw is embedded in the general craziness of the political left nowadays, we can see that one region (coastal British Columbia) can hold the rest of western Canada to ransom, and there will not be any path to compromise or sensible outcomes, but just this nutty denial that in the real world, resources must be exploited for their economic benefit. Even as dim an intellect as the Alberta premier seems to get that much.
Horgan and Weaver’s little coalition government needs to be blasted out of office. There must be one or two NDP backbenchers who would turn against it, not every dipper that you meet wants the entire province of B.C. to be like a national park. Once removed from office in an election, the Liberals would return, far from perfect of course, but essentially pro-development and willing to place some limits on the powers of the native people, who are egged on by the courts to create what is essentially a return to their sovereign control over all of the country. This is not how history works, and if we don’t put an end to it soon, we can pretty much forget about having a country of our own, because only the wealthiest overseas investors will be able to afford to buy real estate here and live in Canada.
You might think there would be no politician in favour of that, but they can be bought off one at a time — check out the various mayors of lower mainland municipalities and see if you can spot the bought and paid for agents.
Trudeau talks a weak pro-development game but we all know he’s a closet green and is the wrong person to be at the helm of our foundering ship of state. I am not very impressed with Scheer but am willing to see if he can do better (would say give him a year to eighteen months to prove us wrong), unless the CPC unilaterally decides to go for a more conservative set of policies and a leader capable of defending them (which they should have done when the chance was there).
The notion that all the first nations were legitimate entities is indeed wrong. With the exception of a couple tribes, they did not respect individual rights. BUT the crown signed that deal and a deal is a deal-so the answer is CLOSE-ENDED treaties with the ‘first nations’ and an end to not only free money but removing barriers to FN development. Harper was actually rather good at the latter he got rid of red tape that got in the way of native development and pushed for private property rights. So it could be worse.
Re: NDP revolt: don’t hold your breath I would not be surprised if every one of their MLAs was on board with the Great Green Alliance. BC in the ’90s was the cradle of today’s green left which is different and very distinct from the older industrial blue collar left, and the BC NDP of the time was both its creation and nurturer. I don’t the polling is too bad for Horgan-Weaver. Not great but not bad. The best way to blast these guys out of power is with mass immigration. The FOBs have better things to do than placate eco-fanatics.
Ultimately, we need a tech fix. A way to teleport oil or drill pipelines for it so far underground that no one can stop it. Or something like floating oil tankers (Zeppelins?).
UnMe: the problem with your argument re: disinterest in parts of the country or in other words has no commom interest is this.
I don’t want to pay for it. Canada is not a real country as Lucifer Bouchard used to say. A country where the government picks winners and losers based on expropriating the wealth of one part and giving it to another is doomed to failure.
That’s a non-sequitor. Why should you have to pay for it regardless?
The equalization and other wealth transfers are borne from a stupid sense of ‘pan-Canadian identity’ that is thankfully dying. May it forever die and be replaced with individualism.
“A country where the government picks winners and losers based on expropriating the wealth of one part and giving it to another is doomed to failure.”
Oh, grow up.
Canada is hardly the only nation in the world to redistribute its national wealth through taxation.
By the way, you don’t think Alberta doesn’t use provincial revenues collected in Edmonton to fund programmes in other parts of the province?
Or the City of Calgary doesn’t use property taxes raised from wealthy residential areas to support projects in other parts of the city?