30 Replies to “Alright folks, this is a logistical thread on pallets, cranes, ISO containers…”

  2. Logistics is its own, critical discipline. Sadly, a great many manufacturing companies believe it to be far simpler than it is, and neglect 1) hiring educated logistics professionals, and 2) investing in efficient systems.

    1. I could not agree more with you. My last job before retirement was to clean up the daily accounting for an organic farmer co-operative. It was ALL about logistics. Picking up by truck from the farm to the processor, then pick-up from the processor to either the container to be loaded onto the train, or to be returned to the warehouse for bagging into 25 pound bags (retail customers were American). A few times (mustard was a major “earner”), the product would be transported to a transport plane for delivery to either Japan or Taiwan; OR transported to the Lakehead to be loaded onto a ship to be off-loaded in Rotterdam and then trucked to Switzerland. Lots of moving parts!

    2. Strategy is for amatures. Logistics is for professionals.

      I can’t remember who said it first but I read it hear recently.

  3. I’ll paraphrase Uhtred son of Uhtred.
    “Logistics is all!”

    I wonder how different it is for the Chicom forces. My guess is they would be aping the American’s and rolling their eyes at the Russians (if this thread is accurate).

    1. Likely the Chicoms manufacture everything (or at least a copy thereof) the US is using.

  5. No pallets,no real logistical gear.?
    Yes the author could be right.
    Or we could be ,being played again.

    If the Russia Ukraine Rumble is pure theatre with a prearranged outcome,the Russia,like Canada,may be sending all their junk,to the front.

    Why waste good D rings?
    On equipment that is destined to be blown up at a preplanned site?

    That “40 mile Convoy” the Presstitutes made so much of..
    Makes more sense ,if all part of a Staged War.

    For the conspiracy ..
    Ukraine and Russia have a deal.
    The Nazi Army had become too powerful for the Ukraine Politicians,so they are being slaughtered “Defending” Eastern Ukraine” for the future peace and stability of the New Divided Ukraine.

    From a cynical POV,this could explain the very strange ways this “War” has progressed.

  6. It’s not something I would conclude anything from.
    Hand bombing off materials is usually the norm out in the field.
    Where are you going to dump off the empty pallets that’d get in the way after deliveries?
    They just accumulate and gets in the road of other materials being delivered.

    2. How do you “hand-bomb” a two ton module of thermobaric missiles, dude? You going to build a field-expedient tripod crane out of live pine trees and throw a rope over it? Maybe for one box you could do that, in a pinch.

      Hundreds of missile boxes. You’re not going to move that stuff without hefty power equipment.

      No cranes on the trucks. No pallets. Not even forks on the front of the truck to lift the heavy stuff off another truck. Do the trucks even have power lift gates? The ones in the pictures don’t.

      This analysis is very interesting. If true, then it tells us an awful lot about the capability of various nations.

      The bit about the shipping containers was interesting too. In Canada shipping containers are everywhere. The equipment to load and unload full containers from a train or a truck is common. If they don’t have that stuff in Russia, that’s a big deal. Containers and jig-shipping are the key to modern material movement. If you can’t move it, it isn’t worth anything.

  7. Trent Telenko has some useful insights, and since he was recently predicting a total Russian logistics collapse in six to eight weeks, I hope he is correct.

    But one of his previous pieces
    Ukraine Thread Part 3 – Day Eight of the Russian Column Held Hostage (by the usual Russian incompetence) –
    https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/67331.html
    should be added to the “be careful drawing conclusions” file. The day after he posted it I pointed out that that same Russian column had an effective combat operation at the end of it, able to manouvre, advance and bombard. Once the weather cleared a few days later we could that the roads were clear and running.

    It does seem that Trent was partially correct. Although the Russians have stabilised and established their salient, so far they don’t seem able to make significant advances from it, and are showing signs of going on the defensive. So far, that is. There are still massive reinforcements available, and they’re better units with better kit. As I said in the thread, the Russians are a shambles but there is a lot of Russian.

    (that thread was also full of people convincing themselves that the Russia / Ukraine thing is all part of the great Biden family / WEF conspiracy to inject us all back to the dark age whatevs, plus outright Russophiles)

    1. PJF.

      Funny thing that “WEF” stuff eh.??

      Especially when a guy like Nathanial Rothschilds comes out beseeching the British Govt do something/anything to help Ukraine ….cause, well the NWO would collapse should Russia “win”..! I fully believe that.

      Russian and China will never be part of Schwabs NWO…not ever happening.
      Carry on VLADIMIR..!!

      Might wanna have a listen to this: Scott Ritter – Ex UN Nuclear Inspector and US Spook…on the GreyZone: Talking Russia/Ukraine & US Military (under NATO flag so to speak), involvement in Training Battalions of UkroNAZI’s

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSkpIq3T-Zc

      1. No thanks, Steakman, I’ll leave you to fester with Scott Ritter in your own dark, damp, fidgity little corner.

        And no point playing the Nazi card with me; don’t give a shit in this context. In WWII we worked with filthy communists all over to defeat the fascists. Where necessary we machine gunned them into a ditch afterwards. You work with what you’ve got.

  8. “According to an article in a 1931 railway trade magazine, three days were required to unload a boxcar containing 13,000 cases of unpalletized canned goods. When the same amount of goods was loaded into the boxcar on pallets or skids, the identical task took only four hours.”

    About 50 years ago I unloaded a boxcar of lettuce and cabbage by hand. I think it took two of us a whole day. The boxes were quite big but manageable. The boxes were loose in the rail car but went on pallets as unloaded.

    1. I was unloading a trailer full of 50lb fertilizer bags in the 1970s. Five guys, all day, we didn’t even shift half of it.

      At the time I thought that two guys with a pallet jack and a forklift could do the whole thing in a couple of hours, and said so. Got told to shut up and move the bags.

      Sh1t like that is why I love being self employed. Use the brain, spare the back.

  9. Having spent the last 1-1/2 years slowly rebuilding/expanding my home I have had multiple deliveries of bulk building materials. EVERY one of those suppliers has mechanized, on-board, pallet-moving equipment. My local lumber yard uses a truck that has a compact forklift that literally stores/suspends itself on its forks at the rear of the truck. That forklift can drive through a 6ft opening and lift materials to a second floor. Every other box truck has a lift gate and a hand-operated, powered, fork lift to move pallets and drop them on a dime. My roof shingles are delivered on a truck with a huge, telescoping, built-in, adjustable, conveyor belt that moved heavy/delicate roofing shingle bundles to every part of my roof.

    Every material delivery is done in literally MINUTES … even huge, awkward loads.

    And I won’t bore you with the Roof Truss delivery that showed up with a crane truck that literally lifted 30ft long trusses over the top of my two story house with (highly skilled) ease.

    The idea that a modern military doesn’t avail themselves of the same (or better) basic industry standard material moving equipment is literally … INSANE. I suspect there is still a massive disconnect between PRIVATE industry and PUBLIC twits counting their pension $$$ while twiddling their thumbs … yes … in Russia as well as America.

    1. A modern military does.The British army has what they call “palletized loading system” trucks to deliver artillery ammo on pallets on flat racks on the back of trucks. They can unload a truck full of artillery ammo and deliver it to the guns in minutes. Here’s a clip of an American PLS truck loading artillery ammo.

      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HTC9ZPU9b5c

    2. “The idea that a modern military doesn’t avail themselves of the same (or better) basic industry standard material moving equipment is literally … INSANE.”

      I agree with your assessment of insanity. But sadly, there is no actual mental malfunction involved. This kind out outcome is 100% predictable in a socialist government. Cranes are expensive, and soldiers are lazy. Make the lazy pr1cks work, build a nice new pool for your dascha in the woods with the money. That’s what the story says, and I believe it.

      Because think back to 2020, when it was discovered that the warehouses of strategic medical stores put aside for a pandemic were… empty. Which was revealed -after- the Liberals made a big deal of shipping protective equipment to China.

      They just did the same thing again last week. The Liberals emptied our munitions warehouses and shipped a bunch of M-72s, personal equipment and MRE food to Ukraine. And having done that, those warehouses are now EMPTY. Will they buy new LAW rockets, backpacks and rations to replace the stuff they shipped off? NO, THEY WON’T. Because they hate the military, and think empty stores warehouses are a good thing. So they’ll take the money that should have replaced that stuff and spend it buying more votes for themselves.

      Which is what the Russians did. And now, finally, it came back and bit them on the @$$. Pray it bites them harder.

  10. Another item missing is recovery equipment. The US forces practices vehicle recovery over and over again. You see winches everywhere on trucks. There’s also anchor points all over their vehicles.

    War is 20% strategy and 80% logistics. Who do you think is better at logistics? Russia or NATO?

    1. No, siege and squeeze were not used to defeat Napoleon and Hitler.

      Apart from the obvious strategic importance (or distraction) of Kyiv and the Azov aspect of Mariupol, there’s little evidence that the Russians are much interested in the cities beyond the logistical need for their roads. Kharkiv is especially important in this regard, being the main route in from Russia to attack the fortified Donbas from the rear (Izium also needed), and to head to Dnipro to cut off a Ukrainian retreat. This is why the Ukrainians are putting so much into the defence – successfully so far; Kharkiv isn’t remotely surrounded.

      Failure to capture the roads through Chernihiv and Sumy is seriously degrading Russian operations to the east of Kyiv. Those are more surrounded but not entirely cut off.

      It’s quite possible that the Russians will resort to massive indiscriminate bombardments of cities due to not being able to do anything else. But acquiring flattened cities whilst still not being able to do anything else won’t win them the war. And all the time the west is applying a degree of siege and squeeze to the Russian economy.

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