61 Replies to “Believe Me, We Noticed”

  1. Really, not much has changed.
    For all you young uns, Mulroney was the prime minister and part of the PROGRESSIVE Conservative party. The PCs.

    1. Lyin’ Brian was seen looking around for manilla envelopes full of 100 dollar bills.
      I still can’t believe the swine got away with his graft …. Chretien too!!

  2. “This is not your father’s Conservative Party”

    That’s okay. Don’t worry, Pinky. There’s enough beta-boys around who’ll vote for you.

    1. When the Conservatives dropped the “Progressive” we expected it to reflect more conservative values right away.
      It’s been a slow process possibly due to the fact it takes time to wean voters from false Liberal largess that we all pay dearly for in every facet of our lives. Nothing is free, even freedom it seems.
      That said, we need to support them to get rid of the mess we have now, smart people don’t reward the likes of Trudeau and his handlers lurking behind the curtain.

      Sometimes we have to go through dirt to get where we want to go.

      2. We had nine years of Harper and he begot Trudeau. Did we get even a baby step closer to where we wanted to go? Nine years, and I figure we got rid of a long gun registry, the Wheat Board, and two points off the GST. Everything else was left completely intact for the Liberals to keep steering Canada hard to port.

        “Vote harder!” solves nothing. This country is a spent force, a shriveling husk. She can’t be saved because she’s already dead.

  4. According to Mulroney, (as I recall…I’m going quite back in my memory), he wanted to be a Liberal. When he went to a Young Liberals event at his college, he was angered and humiliated that the young Liberal elitists mocked his rural Quebec accent and disdained his modest family background and Irish ethnicity. There was no young PC club at his school, so he founded it himself. Sort of a variation on Groucho’s “any club that would accept me as a member isn’t worth joining”.

    Trudeau, of course, never wanted to be a Liberal. He was an “international marxist”, and then a CCFer. His managers told him he HAD to join the Liberals, as they were the only vehicle to power.

    Party politics in central and eastern Canada have never really been about political ideology or philosophy. They’re just clubs for power-craving parasites, and have always been two wings of one bird of prey.

  7. The CPC defund the CBC ?!

    As if… remember their “promises” to do so in days long past….

    Mulroney only had one ball
    Scheer had two but they were very small,
    Erin O’Toole is very similar
    but poor old Harper had no balls at all.

  8. I read Stevie Csmeron’s book “On the Take”, about the sleaze in Mulroney’s PC party. That, plus his Quebec-first policies via the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords, swore me off of Red Toryism for the rest of my life. And having Mufoney endorse O’Toole has to be the low point in the Conservative Party’s campaign.

    A shoebox with $300,000 cash. That defines Brian Mulroney.

    1. Ardent Liberal Stevie Cameron’s book has to be taken with the proverbial grain of salt, for a better view of Mulroney Peter Newman’s book is a lot better, and it isn’t flattering to the sonofabitch either.

      Remember when Chrystia Freeland was negotiating the new NAFTA a couple of years ago? Two prominent Canadians jumped in to help the Trudeau government, Brian Mulroney and Kim Campbell. In all the years Harper was PM, Mulroney never once offered any advice or praise of Harper, but when a fellow Liberal was in trouble, Mulroney was only too glad to help out.

      If I had known Mulroney was buddies with O’Toole, I would have voted PPC.

  10. The last time Canada spent 2% of GDP on military was in the last years of Mulroney’s gov’t.
    A bit like the broken clock idea… while so many other aspects of that gov’t were poisoning the Conservative ideals for the next decade.

    Pamela Geller mentioned something years past that may apply to this, it’s the “reverse schlep” … that someone is so poisonous to the conversation you’d request their support FOR THE OTHER TEAM, knowing everything they touch turned to garbage, thusly giving the other side an unearned run.

    Did Trudeau’s minions request Mulroney offers his opinion on O’Toole? Knowing what Mulroney will bring to the debate? Was it a Trudeau plant secretly working against O’Toole and planning his demise?
    Because that’s what Mulroney does to those who don’t accept his revamping of the GST (from the semi hidden “manufacturer’s tax” that Trudeau Sr. brought in), and the scandals that were completely unnecessary, the rise of the Bloc in Quebec, the Hans Schreiber affair, the CF-18 maintenance contract going to Quebec, the rotting “Sun-kist Tuna”, the failure to build a fair to the west Canadian constitution (granted it’s been complete bullshit since it was written).

    All this and more, are brought up when Mulroney vouches for someone.
    Enjoy your retirement Brian, plant a garden and shut up. I say this from someone, a westerner, who doesn’t even hate you.

  11. The CPC returned to pre-Reform days likely during Harper’s leadership. I thought O’Toole was actually Kim Campbell in male drag and this seems to prove it. This time next week, the bilious attack’s will be made against those of us who had the temerity to not shut-up and vote for someone few on this site could honestly say, “he speaks for me”. Mulroney made me as happy voting for Reform as O’Toole has done this time. Throw in the name Trudeau and Canadian federal politics really is in a “Groundhog day” loop. Just once I’d like to see the Conservatives lose an election for being too “conservative”. The eastern power brokers will ensure that never happens but lose, they will. Unfortunately, until the Eloi of Western Canada get cold and hungry, a day that will surely come, separation is only a fantasy.

  12. Hey Brian, where are those drug companies we were supposed to get to develop drugs and vaccines for our use.

  14. Like anybody asked him.
    Looks like the cabal that is running him is in full charge of what to say.
    Apparently its not about being conservative, its about getting power.
    O’Toole have leaned the Stalin methodology, if you can’t kill them get them out and shut them down.

    1. And like one comment on the link sez (sic).
      Its not conservative party.
      The MP’s and candidates of this party are, by the present plan, simply going for the pension.
      There is no conservative policy, no conservative ideas, no conservative, period.
      They hijacked the name and that needs to be fixed, you know like 1984, lie is truth, black is white, liberal/socialist is conservative.
      The difficulty lies with the apparatchiks, once leadership is elected they get to work on them, they are the anonymous power in the back. They collect the dirt on the leaders and this is what you get.

  16. There are no wounds like self inflicted wounds! Bring out the Laurentian elite and their flunkies and somehow this is supposed to endear Canadians to the cons? Is WK advising the cons….again?
    Mulroney is political poison to true conservatives! Revililed by Canadians of all political stripes!
    The tool is a moron! Why would anyone vote for a moron when we already have one in Ottawa?

  17. I remember those ads, and the spoof thereof: “You’re damned right this is your father’s Oldsmobile, and you should feel privileged to be driving it.”

  18. I can thank “Bag’s ‘O’ Cash” Mulroney for one thing, (well that’s a lie, Rempel sealed the deal) but he singlehandedly turned me into what was at one time a person who believed in gov’t to do the right thing to a flat out hyper-cynical, distrusting ahole. It’s ok, I’ve embraced it.

    Saw Caroline in an advert for something last night on the TV – As I was reaching for the remote I thought “Oh just STFU already…as if the sight of your smarmy faced brother wasn’t enough to make me want to gouge my eyes out”.
    Preston Manning is another one …but I’ll leave that for another time

  20. hyper-cynical, distrusting ahole

    Cynical? You’re not cynical at all. You’re merely someone who thinks for himself, and values his own survival.

    All governments, at all times and everywhere, reserve to themselves the exclusive right to kill you, if circumstances “justify” it.

    Interact with government, if you must, as you would a rabid dog.

  21. Well, technically, my father is dead (2013).

    He voted as follows, from 1957 (incomplete information, but good enough to make the point):
    — John Diefenbaker 4 times (National);
    — Robert Stanfield 3 times (National)
    — John Robarts twice (Provincial);
    — Bill Davis 4 times (Provincial);
    — Joe Clark twice (National);
    — Brian Mulroney twice (National);
    — Kim Campbell once (National);
    — Jean Charest once (National; wherein my wife was a PC candidate, 1997);
    — Mike Harris twice (Provincial);
    and,
    — Stephen Harper thrice (National; sadly, he missed the last go round, but he certainly would have done so again),

    As for me, I voted the same way (from 1981, with Bill Davis), except that I also got to vote for Stephen Harper (National) an extra two times — once in the Perth-Middlesex by-election in 2003, which led directly to the merger of the PC Party and the Canadian Alliance — and, of course, in 2015.

    I also voted for Andrew Scheer, and have also now voted for Erin O’Toole (both National).

    I also voted for Max Bernier (National) 13 times — straight down the line — for Conservative leader in 2016 (as did everyone else in this household, including my deceased mother (of over two years, who, if living, would be aged 92, and who Mr. Bernier asked to consider being a candidate (twice) in the past two months and a “Stand on guard” scrutineer — really insulting and disgraceful, to be blunt)

    Here’s a problem for y’all: so, by my reckoning, my Dad and everyone since has voted for a not-Ontario-based leader 32 times, whereas we have voted for an Ontario-based national leader a grand total of one time (granted, some of those leaders were originally from Ontario). And Bill Davis endorsed both Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper.

    Don’t think we don’t notice: might not be your conservative movement anymore…

    1. I like your fathers voting record as I voted for all except Dief the chief. Unfortunately our votes changed nothing. We were and are fools. lead to the slaughter, as we are now finding out with a fake pandemic and the whu who flu. Yes and am an old bastard.

      1. I am an old bastard

        you’re only as “old” as you feel, and I’m sure your parents were married…

    2. David S

      My record is similar. But I now realize that Bill Davis is and asshole, nothing more. My kids played with his kids. Also he retrieved his daughter form a party when she was about 17, not a good show that was, he should have been charged with assault for that one.

      1. I don’t really know, of course (I believe you — there was a story, way back in the day, around the Premier rushing into a high school in Brampton one time, in the midst of a lock-down due to a gun, or something).

        I know nothing about firearms, although I have encountered them on the back-roads of rural SW Ontario, wherein the very pleasant ladies and gentlemen are looking for vermin, who ruin their crops (Long-range rifles. With scopes. On our rural roads. In Canada). Harry the Rottweiler is never a target: mostly an annoyance, and therefore something to avoid.

        On the other hand, I would say that the only National political leader who has ever actually been trained on the categorization and use of firearms is Erin O’Toole, due to his career in the RCAF (I freely admit that I may be wrong).

        His father, John O’Toole (Mike Harris M.P.P. for Oshawa, and former senior manager of G.M. Oshawa), of course, was a very strong firearms advocate and held many rallies against the Long-Gun Registry in the Harris years, well before Stephen J. Harper even became leader of the CPC.

        I believe that Mr. O’Toole is best placed to make the necessary arrangements wrt to fair, honest and balanced “gun control” (whatever that is) policy for the safety of our people (and dogs!). The other choices, not so much.

  22. “This is not your father’s Conservative Party”

    I can’t believe he actually said that!

    Mr. Tool-man… THAT IS PRECISELY THE REASON YOU ARE NOT GETTING MY VOTE!!!

    I think the CPC is due for yet another name change. One that is more appropriate to the “rejuvenated” “Conservative” party. “Conservative Party of Canada” doesn’t exactly ring true anymore, does it?

    The “Not Quite Liberal Party, But We’re Trying” party perhaps? That doesn’t exactly roll off the tip of the tongue. Perhaps SDAers can offer some suggestions…

  23. Brian was very ill last Winter so as long as they’re bringing back old bones like Shawinigan Jean, everything goes.

    Just a theory, perhaps this is a message to those in the know that the Laurentian elites have given their approval to another token Montrealer- and, Nova Scotia-educated-Irishman because they finally found a promotional opportunity for Justin Trudeau. The latter may’ve just received the U.N. or W.H.O. spot. The foisting off of all the Trudeau debt will then be blamed on the Cons. Then, the P.M. job goes back to the Liberals under Carney or back to Trudeau when he messes it up where he went, and when O’Toole screws up here. Home run for the Liberals.

    Don’t forget, everyone is afraid of Max Bernier.

    1. It was an unbelievably STUPID UNFORCED ERROR.

      But typical of TODAY’S CPC.

      Puts an exclamation point of why, after 35 years of voting conservative, I’m gone and never again! The party LEFT me!

    2. I have been wavering between O’Toole and the PPC. Bringing in Mulroney has decided me. People’s Party of Canada gets my vote now. O’Toole is obviously a Liberal agent provocateur.

  25. As pretty much a libertarian / Ancap, my “father’s Conservative Party” (he always thought me to be too radical) has always been the party of the shitty Milkshake (mixing policy dog shit with a milk shake (tyranny and liberty) and expecting something positive to result). He is correct that it isn’t that party anymore but one far worse. Its the party of the really shitty milkshake.

    1. John, I think conservatives of my generation are more libertarian than what used to be a conservative. I want small government, maximum personal freedom, as long as it does not infringe on other’s freedom. I do not want any level of government to tell me I have to take an experimental drug because of a fake pandemic. I want those who think I should have to prove that what they are saying is fact not fiction to prove I am wrong. I don’t want a civil war, but I will not be a prisoner in my country. Anyone out there who thinks I am wrong is more than welcome to respond with a sane argument.

    2. My father voted for Bible Bill. My father wasn’t a religious man by any means, so he ignored Bill’s old testament prophet schtick, but he did think the governments and the banks were using their monopoly on the creation of currency for their own benefit and to the immiseration of the non-ruling elites. Social Credit were “money cranks” just as the Keynesian establishment types are today, but at least they recognized the fraud of financialization and oligopolistic corporations.

      When Preston Manning’s father took over after Bill’s untimely demise, Social Credit became just another mainstream, non-ideological party.

      1. Don’t mothers get any consideration? What about your mother’s conservative party?

        My mum voted for Wacky Bennett’s Social Credit party. And she knew him personally. Not well, but it’s true he was quite the ebullient figure in his day. Nothing like his son Bill at all.

        Wacky’s Socreds were never ideological, unlike Alberta’s original Social Credit movement, or Réal Caouette’s Creditistes. But most of B.C.’s Social Credit supporters were small business/small government people, and anti-socialists.

        Boy, is THAT B.C. gone forever…

        1. Isn’t it. A few of us still remember that time of common sense.

          Vanderzalm took care of that by discrediting that party.

          Campbell started saying all the right things, but then fell on his head, and became a climate nazi. That was the end of true conservatism here. There is a party, but is largely centred in the Peace Country. Needless to say, there is a huge vacuum in BC politics, where much like the Federal parties, the Libs and NDP are the same side of the coin, a true Conservative party could really take off here and seize 25% vote share overnight, if they had a name brand leader.

          Alas, this is a lost land in more ways than one

          1. Ha ha …. Vanderzalm … he wore wooden shoes to keep the woodpeckers away from his head …. I had forgot about that clown.

          2. Name?

            I’ve been thinking about that:

            CANADA’S RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

            The word ‘responsible” has dual meanings. For gubmint and the public.

        2. I grew up in B. C. while Wacky ran the province and he came across as good-natured. He definitely had B. C.’s interests in mind, despite what many people said about his electricity deals with the Americans.

          It was a sad day when he got booted out of office. I remember the vicious handbills posted in the Vancouver region just before the 1972 election. When Fat Little Dave took over, there were a lot of long faces in the Peace Country as we dreaded the worst.

          It came as a relief when B. C. booted out FLD’s Dippers in favour of mini-WAC, though I wasn’t in B. C. very much while the latter was in office.

          And, yes, I still grieve the passing of the old B. C. Before FLD came into office, it was a pretty decent province to live in. Now it’s a horrible mess as I’m frequently reminded whenever I go back to my house in Fort St. John.

          Thanks a lot for nothing, Lotusland.

          1. The tragedy of the human condition is that it’s so much easier to steal and/or destroy than it is to create or produce. Any political system that fails to recognize this reality is doomed to fail at everything eventually.

      2. Ernie Manning was a clergyman and a radio broadcaster. While he was premier, he was still on the air with his show.

        Former Edmonton Journal and, later, Edmonton Sun cartoonist Yardley Jones loved poking fun at him. Jones’s cartoons were filled with little gotchas and it was fun looking for them. He particularly liked lampooning old Ernie by portraying him as a lampstand with one finger held vertically, disappearing into the shade, and with the inscription “Let there be light” on the base.

  26. This is not your Fathers Conservative Party… it sure isn’t… hey, Stool did get something right after all.
    He’s right that the Conservative Party and Stool himself are really a second LIberal Party with a Liberal leader… thats true.
    Thats one of the reasons I already voted for the PPC.
    One thing I hate about Globalists like Turdhole, Stool, Turban, Blandshit, etc… is that they never admit they”re Globalists and they never have to sell the authoritarian virtues of being a Globalist POS.
    Funny how the Globalist corporate and State Media never ask why a Globalist shill for the CCP should be in the PMO.
    I wonder how much money will be shat into Mr. Stools bank account when he retires as Con man leader next week.

  28. Here’s a funny thing about conservatives and liberals. When Mulroney’s corruption caused him to step aside and he turned things over to Campbell, the PC’s were virtually wiped out in the next election and had to totally rebuild the party. When Chretien and Martin faced the same situation, Liberal voters still rewarded the party. I’m not sure what this says about Canada.

  29. During the 1980s, both PET and Mulruin (hrack twoo!) destroyed my engineering career. The result is that I spent much of that decade either holding onto a lousy and uncertain job or looking for another one.

    It wasn’t until I started teaching at Armpit College that I started getting back on my financial feet again.

    I micturate upon both of them.

    1. Well BAD there’s that saying about those who can, do, those who can’t, teach.
      The 80’s were tough with 20+% interest rates, mortgage defaults…

      1. As much as I grew to hate AC, it was the only job I could find towards the end of the 1980s. At least I was able to teach in a field related to my original engineering discipline.

        At least it provided me with steady employment as I was there for more than 10 years. I had been laid off from my previous job and, about 6 weeks later, I was hired by AC, at a salary 10% more than what the other outfit paid me.

        As it turned out, I was given the boot at a good time. A few months after I was canned, my previous employer sacked about 20% of its staff as it desperately tried to stay afloat. The tailspin started then. Government support dried up, its stock was de-listed from the exchange it traded on, and it frantically looked for some moneybags to bail it out.

        Someone eventually came along but, within a few years, the outfit went belly up. I’m sure he bought the company to claim a tax loss.

      2. A lot of people like me got hurt by both PET’s NEP and Mulruin’s cuddling up to Quebec and the GTA region. It seemed that whole companies, some of which I either dealt with or heard about, disappeared overnight during that time. Many of us took whatever job we could just to get by.

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