Margin Of Fraud

Margin Of Fraud 110 Comments

SCOTUS: “The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution.”

Alito and Thomas dissenting.

110 Replies to “Margin Of Fraud”

  1. So in other words, a State can create it’s own laws in regard to “elections” which will affect the entire nation. Ludicrous, actually. Although we sort of have the same scam in Canada.

      1. I strongly doubt civil was is in the cards imminently. I don’t see how the US can hold together in the long run given the intractable political divides though. Hopefully a separation can be achieved peacefully.

      2. Or, more realistically, time to throw as many wrenches into the Biden administration as possible. Conservatives need to do all they can to stagnate and de-legitimize his presidency, as the Democrats have spent the past four years doing to Trump. They particularly need to go after that odious specimen of a human being, Kamala Harris, without restraint.

    2. Actually, States can break their own election laws and Constitution and the US Constitution, and its all fine. Even worse, no judge wanted to hear the evidence.

      1. I’m waiting for the NFL to follow the same structure.

        NFL leadership has agreed that the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Atlanta Falcons, the Detroit Lions, and the Arizona Cardinals have the home-team only ability to re-define the points system during a game. This ruling comes about after the Houston Texans appealed the on-field referee’s decision to allow an overtime quarter after all Texan players had left the statium at the end of regulation time and what they thought was an overwhelming victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. During the overtime quarter, the combination of the lack of any Texan defense, and multiple penalties applied against due to not starting plays within 10 seconds according to the game clock (causing a 1 point loss for each infraction, per the Steeler’s in-game rules change), caused what had appeared to be a 40-12 smackdown by the Texans to become a 31-35 loss for Houston.

        The NFL leadership rules committee refused to hear the Texan case, despite support of 20 other teams in noting that in-game rules changes are outlawed by the league charter.

    3. Isn’t giving more power to the states essentially the core republican ideal? Like, last year the Democrats tried passing a bill requiring tighter election security including not letting voting machines connect to the internet. But republicans blocked it on the exact rationale that they didn’t want the federal government interfering in state’s election processes.

      1. But andy me boy, the state constitutions have certain laws and protocols, and those were broken and ignored, and that is the issue here! And when that needs to be pointed out to you, you have not been paying attention.

        1. How do you explain the fact that your Lord’s own personally appointed judges have disagreed with this?

          1. Simple cowardice. That’s all. Not complicated. You know what else isn’t complicated? The Constitution. And that little phrase about State Legislatures making all voting rules … not complicated.

            It’s a sad, sad, day … when the entire SCOTUS sells OUT the American people and our Bill of Rights. All because a TRUE conservative is in the White House. Sad.

          2. Little Andrew, you seem to have an annoying habit of commenting on things with little to no knowledge. Now pay attention to your mother, pick the pizza boxes off the floor, and try to not get too down about living in the basement at 30 years of age.

        2. No election has ever adhered perfectly to the ‘laws and protocols’. Deviations were well within typical bounds.

          Paxton is a crook; he’s probably headed to jail.

      3. “Isn’t giving more power to the states essentially the core republican ideal?”

        Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President, would disagree. The States of the Confederacy would disagree too.

  2. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” — John F. Kennedy

  3. Trump loses again. Big embarrassment for him and Reps. Would have been a big precedent though. Could then have Dem states suing Rep states on their election laws. SCOTUS wasn’t going to go there. Also Reps rail against judicial activism which any other outcome would have been. Time for Trump and all little Trumplets to grow up and go home.

  4. Called it. No court was going to reverse the count, not even, more like especially not, SCOTUS. Trump had to win outside the margin of fraud, and the Republicans had to stop the fraud before it ever happened. Neither proved true. Once the counts put Biden ahead, it was over.

    And it is over. It’s been over for weeks. It sucks. As I have said before, we will likely never know what truly happened overnight in the wee hours that reversed those Trump leads. It will be buried, swept away, and Trump will be written off in the history books as an aberration, a one off, a historically terrible president, blah blah blah.

    Bend over, America. The Democrats are back.

    1. They were not being asked to reverse the count. Not even close.

      Keep up.

      This was a constitutional argument.

      Apparently all but two US Supreme Court justices answer to Mitch McConnell and Tom Donahue.

      No reason to not hear this

      Every time It’s always on a technicality

      Roberts didn’t let technicalities or actual law stop him from passing Obamacare via judicial activism.

      Trump is going to have to declare martial law, or the west is dead and is freedom.

      1. They were effectively being asked to negate the counts then. Either way, no way was SCOTUS going there. Ever.

      2. I’m going to use a soccer analogy. In soccer, beginning Referees almost never award Penalty Shots for blatant fouls in the box (the Penalty Area). Why? Because these beginning Referees lack the nerve to make a call that will have such a dire impact on the game. Yes, it’s cowardice. They don’t want to make such a CRUCIAL call … because they’re frightened. But NOT calling the FOUL harms 1/2 the players on the field. By NOT making the call one of the two teams is harmed.

        And the cynicism of not making the necessary, appropriate, call … emboldens the offending team. The Referee puts them on notice that they can cheat and play foul … with no consequence. Invariably … when crucial calls like an obvious penalty kick are ignored … the game turns foul and cynical. One team learns they can cheat with impunity, and the other team lashes out physically in frustration. The game turns to shit, and the Referee loses all control of the match.

        The SCOTUS just acted like a peewee league soccer referee. Scared, timid, and spineless. Now watch what happens to our country. We will descend further into chaos (aka the Democrats ‘normal’) and conflict. The American game just turned to shit

        1. The more accurate soccer analogy is that there was no foul, the slow-motion replay confirmed it, the other team won, everyone else has gone home, and you and your fellow hooligan lads are left milling around outside the stadium, drinking and cursing the referees, the other team, the other team’s fans, the league officials, and half of the players on your own team.

          1. The even more accurate soccer analogy is that there was a horrendous leg-breaking foul, the slow-motion VAR confirmed it, the VAR referee confirmed it … but the on-field referee ignored the VAR and the RED CARD offense. the offending team won, but nobody went home … there were no fans in the stadium because … COVID-19. There were no lads drinking or cursing, because of the latest of serial SHUT DOWNS. The Pubs were all closed. The cheaters behaved as though they actually won the match and the championship. The integrity of the game was forever tainted and fans from both side never participated again. The League folded and was replaced by ‘Earth Ball’ a game where the Dear Leader forced citizens to cooperatively roll a giant ball to places prescribed by a panel of government bureaucrats.

    2. “As I have said before, we will likely never know what truly happened overnight in the wee hours that reversed those Trump leads.”

      They counted the mail-in ballots that weren’t allowed to be counted until after the election. Everyone remotely cognizant was aware long before the election that this would happen, and that the obviously heavily Biden-favoured mail-in ballots would have this effect.

      1. That would be a lovely story if true. Ohio was close, for about an hour, i.e the mail in went about 52-48 Biden. The mail in in Philly went 96-4 Biden. Even leftards aren’t that innumerate.

        2. Trump spent months demonizing mail in ballots and you’re still surprised his supporters didn’t vote by mail?

          1. Uh yeah, just like North Korea is heavily for the Kims. 96-4 on a 20 person precinct? Yes. On over a hundred thousand ballots? Never. Not statistically possible.

        3. Um, Ohio is nothing like Philly.

          Peter, why are you so surprised that mail-in ballots in some cases went overwhelming for Biden?p, especially in deeply Democratic urban strongholds? Trump similarly won many traditionally conservative counties with 80+ percent of the votes in this election, and indeed, in some deep red counties with 90+ percent of the vote.

    3. The numbers reversed because they started counting votes that heavily favoured Biden — mail-in ballots. There’s no conspiracy here. My god.

      1. “The numbers reversed because they started counting votes that heavily favoured Biden — mail-in ballots. There’s no conspiracy here. My god.”

        Then why didn’t this same thing happen in all the other states? Why did only five states out of 50 stop counting at virtually the same time, only to come back with sudden, huge surges of Biden votes? All the states used mail-in ballots…why didn’t the count stop suddenly in all of them? Why didn’t Biden’s vote spike in *every* state?

        Doesn’t add up, sorry.

        1. “Then why didn’t this same thing happen in all the other states? ”

          Because other states didn’t make it illegal to count mail in ballots before election day.

          If you watched Ohio on election night they counted the mail in ballots first and Biden was winning by a fair amount.
          Once they counted the in person ballots it flipped to Trump.

          In states like Florida they are allowed to count mail in ballots as they come in.

          Every complaint about the election has a non-nefarious explanation. The only problem is Trump supporters refuse to listen to these explanations because they would rather play the victim.

          1. // If you watched Ohio on election night they counted the mail in ballots first and Biden was winning by a fair amount.
            Once they counted the in person ballots it flipped to Trump. //
            Thanks for that information. I recall telling someone showing graphs about mail-in ballots reversing leaders that,
            if the ballots had been counted first, the leaders would be reversed until the end.
            I hadn’t realized that it really had happened.

          2. Remind me, did they stop counting the votes in Ohio or Florida in the middle of the night and then resumed after the republican poll watchers left? Right. Didn’t think so.

          5. “Then why didn’t this same thing happen in all the other states? ”

            “Because other states didn’t make it illegal to count mail in ballots before election day.”

            I call bullshit.

            Go here: https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots,_2020 and look at the lists of states and when they were allowed to start counting (or not). States that Trump won (Florida, to name just one) were allowed to start counting *weeks* ahead.

            I ask again: why did ONLY those states stop counting for hours and hours and then suddenly get a veritable flood of Biden votes? Why didn’t this happen in ALL other states where they started counting mail-in ballots only when the polls opened (or closed)?

            “If you watched Ohio on election night they counted the mail in ballots first and Biden was winning by a fair amount.
            Once they counted the in person ballots it flipped to Trump.

            In states like Florida they are allowed to count mail in ballots as they come in.”

            Speaking of Ohio and Florida, it has been 60 years since a President won both those states but did not win the Presidency.

            “Every complaint about the election has a non-nefarious explanation. The only problem is Trump supporters refuse to listen to these explanations because they would rather play the victim.”

            Funny, that. Trump wins 18 out of 19 bellwether counties, and still doesn’t win? Republicans hold the Senate, kick ass in the House and win many state races (they even flip three in California!) but Trump himself doesn’t win? How about that flood of military votes…98% for Biden. You believe that, do you? Have you seen the videos yet?

            (oh wait, you would just refuse to watch them, wouldn’t you?)

            Mathematicians have looked at some of the vote totals and said they were impossible. Voting machines have been tested and found to have been ‘weighted’ for Biden. Over 1000 sworn affidavits detaining observed fraud or other anomalies (since when is it allowed to keep election ‘observers’ too far away to see anything, or kick them out of counting rooms entirely?

            There’s just SO MUCH evidence…way, way too much to list here. All of which should have been at least investigated, if for no other reason than to discount it. But, no, that won’t be happening, will it? Don’t think for one second that we don’t know why, Tim. We do.

  5. This certainly shows how threats of violence on family members is a far better strategy and current laws are meaningless.

  6. Trump doesn’t give a crap about the U.S. constitution. He’s shit scared of his legal liabilities once he is no longer Prez.
    Lock him up! Lock him up!

    1. At least the US has a Constitution which is something we do not. We have the BNA and Trudeau’s Marxism added on which none of us voted for, we have a Pedo who waves his hand and creates law without even a vote of elected MP’s.

  7. “a republic, if you can keep it”. I suppose we will find out in the next month how badly they want to keep it.

  8. Fact is the GOP had a pretty good election. And they may well take the House in 2022. This was a repudiation of Trump, not the GOP.
    I am not a Dem leftie. I relate more with the Lincoln Project dudes. Detest the Dem squad and Trump both. Trump is really the ultimate RINO. He is not a conservative!

      1. John Defenbacker. Conservative enough for me to vote for. Hasn’t been a real conservative offered for us Canadian conservatives to vote for since and we are really pissed off about that! All five of us!

    3. Don’t you get it? The elections are fixed and the Dems got away with it. Why do you think they won’t fix it in 2022 and in the upcoming race in Georgia. The Republic is dead.

    4. Oh dear, you really DO need an education. It was the Swamp, both Democrap and Rhino, that wanted President Trump gone because he knew they were selling their souls to China. So, you relate to the Lincoln Project Neocons who would have us going to war every four years. Doesn’t bode well for your intelligence.

      1. The one really repudiated is Obama.

        In 4 cities in the US, and only 4 cities, the Democratic voter turnout was up to 300% of registered voters per county. In those four cities, Biden got the inner city minority vote so inflamed that I’d guess Biden won 30-50% more votes than Obama did. Biden won because the inner city minority voters would rather elect a tired old white man than a firebrand speaker of a black man.

        I guess it does just go to show that the Democrat party never stopped being the party of racists. At least in 4 cities.

  9. Setting the table for civil war. A Kamaltoe/China presidency will end in bloodshed. Sad, but at this point it looks inevitable.

  12. Magnificent stage management.
    By next Friday every miserable bureaucrat,state operative,fool,bandit and treasonous twit will be fully exposed.
    Laws?
    Those are for the little people.
    The institutions are fully captured and freeloading parasites are evading their responsibilities on every front..
    The Time picture plays perfectly into the China Joe meme.
    And the media will be out prancing around mocking every citizen who believes in the American Experiment..
    That constitution thing?
    What Joe calls “That thing”.
    Now every legal means has been attempted,to right a blatant wrong.
    Every institution has refused to address the central fraud,a fraud which threatens to destroy the Nation.

    So what happens,should the NSA report, scheduled for the 18th, show that the entire scheme was recorded from start to finish?
    If this spy agency and the military operatives produce irrefutable evidence?

    My first expectation will be the Democrats still insisting that they won,cause they stole it fair and square.
    Then they will proclaim the use of Government Spies,not under their command,as unfair,unconstitutional and illegal..
    Like I have said,I do not believe President trump is stupid.
    The Mongrels and their minions have stated that they will destroy him and his by any means necessary.
    So did he write the 2018 EO as a bluff?
    Or was that a case of stating the truth and consequences,to people who are so used to lying that they missed the message?

    Naturally I am hoping there is a cunning plan,because the “proper authorities” are sure to do a much neater job,than an enraged and vindictive citizenry.

    2. John, did then SCOTUS rule with the intention of forcing Trump to declare martial law, so he can arrest, and get evidence with ease. I do not think that 7 of those judges are so stupid as to not see the problem, but if they ruled in Trump’s favour, the laws suits would drag on for years. Now Trump will be able to act with speed, and clean up the corruption and fraudsters. And they will not have as great a chance to get rid of evidence. Sure hope Trump is good with declaring martial law, as Venezuela does not sound inviting>

      1. NME your guess is as good as mine.
        For there to be a cunning plan,carried out within the USA constitution and laws,then some members of the Judiciary would need to be involved.
        And before a President can go proclaiming a Threat to National Security,he had better have dotted all the I’s and crossed every T.
        And more importantly,the public had better have been brought up to speed.

  13. If the SCOTUS had declared the elections in the 5 states null and void then we would have major riots in the cities of the US. Perhaps this way we will have the US praying for Trump to come back in 2024

    1. “If the SCOTUS had declared the elections in the 5 states null and void then we would have major riots in the cities of the US. ”

      Did they have to do that, though? Or just authorize proper audits and recounts?

    2. There will be no Trump 2024 as the globalists will be entrenched. The Global Reset is real. It was now or never. Perhaps there would have been riots, but they could have been managed, Now it looks like we have accepted a world in which violence and cheating win over respect and lawful behavior. Not much to save, I guess, when even the Supreme Court abdicates its responsibility.

  14. AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    The absolute BEST part of this is that none of Trump’s SCOTUS picks dissented. That fact must really stick in his craw.

    1. You’re pathetic. There has been MASSIVE fraud both electronic and on paper and you think this is about one man? This isn’t an ego thing, dear, it’s about whether people can trust in their government to follow THE LAW. Lose that, and all bets as to our future are off, and yes, THAT INCLUDES YOU. A soft people make for a hard future.

      1. Want to take a bet? If the Republican take over the House majority in 2022, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept the integrity of that election. And if the GOP retake the White House in 2024, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept that result too.

        1. Yes of course, dhimicrats cheat, republicans don’t, hence only republican victories are not tainted by fraud. Now be a dear and FOAD

          1. Trump republicans have proven themselves to have absolutely no ethics with their support of the complete corrupt Trump and his endless attempts to disenfranchise legal voters. If Trump republicans could rig an election they would. The fact is elections in the US are very hard to rig which means they could not get away with it and neither could the democrats.

          3. @TimG “The fact is elections in the US are very hard to rig which means they could not get away with it and neither could the democrats.”
            That used to be true, but it is no longer true since the advent of electronic voting machines. The election was stolen, probably with the help of foreign agents. The US has been destroyed as has the entire democratic world that depended on the US as a protector. China and the corrupt globalist cabal have won. This was never about Trump. It was about democracy and nation states.

      1. Want to take a bet? If the Republican take over the House majority in 2022, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept the integrity of that election. And if the GOP retake the White House in 2024, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept that result too.

    3. You seem to gave a pathetically narrow understanding of the dynamics here. The election was not about Trump. It was about democracy and the viability of nation states. Now I don’t know where you live, but I suspect you don’t be doing much HA, HA HAing once you get a clue that global tyranny now has free reign.

  15. What precisely do you find funny about the destruction of the worlds oldest constitution and the republic it is based on?

    You don’t appear smart enough to be useful to the new regime.

    Of course you could be stupid and immoral enough to shoot your fellow man if the new masters you celebrate gave you two extra servings of gruel per day.

    Sadly I think that would be accurate

    And there are millions like you.

    1. Indeed Ward, people like the above tool think this is a personality contest. This may get VERY, VERY, BAD.

    2. Want to take a bet, Ward? If the Republican take over the House majority in 2022, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept the integrity of that election. And if the GOP retake the White House in 2024, I guarantee you’ll unquestioningly accept that result too.

      1. Aaaand you demonstrate your stupidity and bias of accusing me of that which applies to you.

        Wards rule #1 of the left.

        In case you missed it – which demonstrably you have- the Republican Party is part of the coup.

          2. @Andrew, re: “The steal goes so deep, more people are in on it than there are Trump voters.”

            Um, think about what you just wrote! More people are in on the fraud than there are Trump voters. That is, more people were against Trump than for him. That is, more people voted for Trump’s opponent than for him. That is, no fraud necessary, no stolen election in actuality, just regular old democracy.

  17. Cowardly and bad news. The fools do not understand the Dems will pack the court?

    They will cheat the Georgia run-off in public sight and rub your noses in the fraud. Fraud is now legal in the US.

    1. That’s not all.
      You’ll never see another Republican president ever again.
      Followed by not only court packing as you pointed out, but a gradual erosion of Republicans in the senate and the house.
      But above all the gradual erosion of American’s rights and freedoms. The constitution will become “A living and breathing document” as it were. Subject to the whim of change to whatever suits the Democrats.
      A situation that can only be resolved by a revolutionary/civil war. A great reset if you will. In which the ebb and flow of everyday life will be curtailed. God help us all.

      1. A boring ass centrist soundly defeats the worst president of our lifetimes and somehow this will lead to civil war? It’s a nice wake up call to be reminded that people this insane are out there walking the streets.

  18. So, the more obvious the crime, the more legal it is? Not a very good precident is it.

    1. Basically they are saying that there is no remedy for the theft of the presidential election, same as Venezuela.

  19. They keep finding ways to not look at the facts.

    And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. – Book of John

    1. Trump should never Concede;
      Let biden transition, but continue to prove to everyone that he is a thief and needs to be Impeached.

  20. Here’s speculation on a strategy. The Texas motion was done to establish that such an approach would not work when the more effective methods were employed. No one will now be able to say the judicial approach “should have been tried”. I’m sticking to my guess at a 50/50 chance that we’ve just entered the end game and not yet a concession. Until Pres Trump gives his response to this ruling I’m not losing trust; Faith smiles to hold the line.

  21. this is a constitutional issue, and the “constitutional” members of the SCOTUS folded, all they had to do was order a audit and recount, not a big deal. One has to wonder if they were/ar afraid of riots, fully failing to understand they mat have just guaranteed that cicil war will now be the remedy , unless Trump declares martial law, and investigates the law breakers, and has them jailed for their crimes

    1. “this is a constitutional issue, and the “constitutional” members of the SCOTUS folded, all they had to do was order a audit and recount, not a big deal. One has to wonder if they were/ar afraid of riots, fully failing to understand they may have just guaranteed that civil war will now be the remedy , unless Trump declares martial law, and investigates the law breakers, and has them jailed for their crimes”

      This. 100%.

      If they let this stand, the United States no longer operates under the rule of law. I have suspected this for some time, sadly…when certain people can defy the FBI, delete thousands of emails and take hammers to cellphones and laptops and suffer *no* consequences for it, you know something is terribly wrong.

  22. All this demonstrated is that President Trump was a fool to go to the lawyers’ cabal for justice.

    Now, maybe, he will go to the American people, as he should have done in the first place.

    The justices have made their ruling. Now let’s see if they can enforce it.

    (Serves me right, I suppose, for trusting a woman in the thrall of the pedophile cult styling itself the Roman Catholic Church to do the right thing by the people of a Protestant nation.

    Clearly Amy Coney Barrett feared the Roman hierarchy’s connections in the Italian mob more than she feared the wrath of an outraged American people.

    Time will tell how wise a calculation that was.

    I do hope she repents of her ways—even if it takes enhanced interrogation techniques administered by a pious Christian or Jew of the sort inquisitors never tired of torturing to death to accomplish it.)

    1. Oh God. I have it on good authority Joe is considering Andy Cuomo for attorney general.

      The Church of Rome hierarchy must be ecstatic. With a good Catholic boy in the White House, all their legal problems in the United States are over.

      1. Related:
        I heard from a reliable source (a Catholic) that the Pope, I forget his name, is planning to declare Biden a saint.

        Well…he did rise a few thousand from the their graves on Nov.3, right??

        <:)

  23. It would be interesting to redraw the borders of Canada and America. The liberal and democratic states and provinces could join. Then the conservative and republicans states and provinces could join.

    We would make better neighbours then shared countrymen.

  25. As I predicted.

    And while the states may have had a legitimate case, it would have set a precedent and we would see all kinds of Democrat ruled states suing Republican ruled states over things like gay rights, abortion rights and the like.

    1. And would any of those spell the death of the west as we know it Dirtman?

      Or Turn the US into a Chicom vassal state?

      Don’t buy the horseshit excuses about technicalities or lack of desire to get involved. Supreme Court has been fully corrupted.

      If your house was burning down and the pumper truck could save it except the spot that they needed to park was designated a no parking zone from 7 to 9, and your house was burning at 8 so gee, looks like you’re out of luck.

      Technically speaking.

  26. I think the biggest issue here is that there was blatant cheating to give Biden the win and the courts were too cowardly to even look at it. They have stoken the election and gotten away with it. Now it will be a slow, but sure death for the United States and for democracy world wide. The criminal tyrants are running the show.

  29. I’m in agreement with John:
    ” By next Friday every miserable bureaucrat,state operative,fool,bandit and treasonous twit will be fully exposed.”
    John Robertson (@7:49 pm)

    If you’ve seen and listened to POTUS’s rallies and heard him when he said America has injected money and revamped the Military you’d have to believe that they are with him and the Office of the President. They are there to protect him and the Country. I can’t see them deserting him and the Country now especially when a foreign entity is threatening the Republic of the United States of America. Think about it.

    I believe the SCOTUS decision today has been part of the master plan. We just don’t see it yet.

    Let’s wait and see what happens in the next few weeks. I believe the Munroe Doctrine will be amended and enacted against the countries that have threatened the U.S. Republic. This is POTUS’s duty to the People.

    And…his 2026 book will be thicker than any previous President’s book.

    1. “I believe the SCOTUS decision today has been part of the master plan. We just don’t see it yet.”

      [CULT INTENSIFIES]

      Christ, Pyrocynical’s fans are working through their grief better with less denial and recrimination than you idiots-and I’m one of them!

      1. Great, UnMe is here, because with Andy, dizzy, Timmy and Hoppsy we were one idiot short of the full quintet.

    2. Nancy, I sure hope you are right, because there may only be a short period of time, before we must all decide, in a very real sense, “Do we now live on our knees, or stand on our feet”? I really don’t want to go there, but if we must, it requires a fully conscious choice from each of us. A commitment one way or the other, with real future lifetime consequences.

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