49 Replies to “Wuhan Flu”

  1. 1,000 deaths a day in the U S. * 8,000 a day die every day in the U S. why is that not traumatic?

  2. Lockdown is a euphemism. The British used to call it a curfew. It should be called for what it is — mass house arrest or forcible confinement.

  3. I was just watching a news item about the police harassing people for walking in a park. Not one of the cops patrolling, that I saw on camera were wearing masks or gloves yet they are allowed to accost people for walking in the fresh air. What the hell is wrong with us. Every single cop should be tested and every cop required to mask up and glove up before even approaching a citizen who is out getting some exercise. They are dangerous people.

  5. “the differences in the various health measures implemented by the different countries have made very little difference. Go figure … seems the infectiousness of this virus is enough that such measures don’t do much.” from 5 April update on https://wattsupwiththat.com/daily-coronavirus-covid-19-data-graph-page/
    high taxation and inflation, starting with food, is on its way as the inevitable result of the government-will-save-everyone bailouts

  6. [deleted — 5G-Covid conspiracy crap is not going to clog up this blog. ED]

    1. if 5G has such a tight relationship with Covid, how is it that Iran (or is it Iraq?) has such a high death rate when I doubt that there are any 5G towers in the entire country?
      Seriously, your tin foil hat is on too tight.

  7. When I see any graph with Communist China Bullshit Data as part of it, I stop looking.

  8. Here’s a video where I explain why we’re using log scales, showing absolute numbers instead of per capita,[…]

    He should split the US, or combine Europe if he wanted to show comparison between them. The willingness to avoid per capita growth comes directly from the expectation (and the need to show) that Trump is doing worse than European governments.

  9. Data, data and more data.

    Garbage in, garbage out. Any model that includes data from Italy, China, or Iran is hopelessly corrupted.

  10. I am so fed up with the numerical illiteracy found in our politicians and in our media. Apparently, there are 66,000 cases in all of Canada now. Say our population is 37 million – that represents .045% of the population, and for this very small number, both the federal and provincial government are willing to tank the economy? As well, the American media is touting the fact that the United States has more deaths now than either Italy or Spain. They conveniently “forget” that the United States has a population of at least 330 million people, so statistically (percentages) I would expect more deaths. And again, these are primarily older people.

    This strain of “flu” seems to affect old people the most (there are instances of younger people for sure). I would say, keep social distancing in place or even lock-down for old-age or assisted care homes until at least mid-May. I type this knowing that I am one of the ones at risk – just turned 68 and have inherited bad lungs/bronchial tubes from my maternal grandfather But I am also retired, and have been “socially distancing” for the most part since the age 65.

    I think this is a “power grab” by all governments who want to put the population so in debt, that the populace will be under their control for decades. Just my humble opinion.

    1. Big Momma, nice to see someone else who thinks the numbers are important and comparison numbers are also important. As far as the U S is concerned I read a number today that said 1000 people were dying a day. 8,000 people die everyday in the U S. That is an important distinction. I think your opinion is accurate.

    2. First thing that popped into my head when they started reporting that way:

      “No. Wait. You’re comparing single states of the EU to the combined states of the USA. You can’t do that.

      Well, you “can’t do that” if, ya know, you’re trying to be honest.”

    5. What I don’t like about the way the numbers are reported is that the total is listed for wide geographical area when the cases are concentrated in a much smaller area.
      Example they list the total for Ontario when the majority of cases are found in high urban populations say like Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.
      This gives the illusion that a small burg like Thedford Ontario has the same risk as someone living in a downtown Toronto high rise.
      They would do a great deal to reduce the hysteria by reporting the exact location for cases instead of associating a large geographical area.
      But I also presume the folks in charge already know this because they should be smarter than me, unless they are not.

      1. Here is a site that shows the numbers by counties. Unfortunately it is only for the U.S.
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/
        Yeah, it’s the WaPo. But data are data.
        Scroll down to the big map. The circles show areas of concentration. Not all of them are large urban areas. Southwest Georgia and southeast Indiana are among areas most affected. And not all large urban areas are areas of concentration. Los Angeles, for example, is not.
        Put your cursor over your area of interest, say NYC, and click. The map will enlarge, centered on your area of interest. Scroll your cursor over the map and it will reveal data for different counties. Click on the map again to restore original map.
        For some counties, such as Los Angeles county, the data is not fine enough. I googled (actually duck duck goed) coronavirus in cities in los angeles county and found the best coverage from Daily News, which gave me the data by city within the county. Perhaps you can do the same thing for Ontario or Quebec.

    7. All statistics should be normalized by population and age, otherwise you are just comparing apples to oranges. Alas, most folks don’t seems to have the skills to critically assess statistical information. As they say, all models are flawed, some are useful. Most people have no clue how to tell them apart.

      I’m always puzzled by this argument that since only a relatively small percent of the population is dying, it’s not a problem, or the response is disproportionate. We’re at 66k, but that’s with measures in place, it would likely be many times that number if we had done nothing. There aren’t a lot of good choices for containing a respiratory virus. Or can we put a dollar value on a human life?

      Once the peak has been reached I hope they can start opening things quickly, and hope there isn’t a second or third wave of infections.

  12. Numbers, Numbers, Models, Models, speculative Deaths….blah blah ad nausea, yet nary any real positive notes whatsoever. I too am of the opinion this virus is being used for Economic/Political/Financial gain.

    Inflation ya think..??? our vaunted .71 dollar will end up like the peso…18:1 USD

    Lets see, 150 Bilion pissed away in promises of FREE freaking everything to anyone on th planet. Then we get hit with a 50% increase in that AIR tax which by the way INCREASES COSTS on EVERY Damned thing we buy….and the Politicos give themselves an 8000/yr raise.

    Pretty sure my retirement savings are gone up someones bong. My condo’s value in the shitter. Leaving us all with what…??

    1. Circa 1,000 deaths a day in Africa from malaria. If you stay indoors with good screening you can’t catch it. Why don’t they simply shut the place down? If it saves one life wouldn’t it be worth it?

  13. A key statistic not mentioned is the number of deaths per day from all causes. The statistic would give an idea of whether the flu is truly pushing up death rates.

    It would be useful to see deaths per day over a several month period, to see the degree to which the Wuhan corona virus is taking people who were, statistically speaking, already at deaths door.

    1. Worldwide deaths annually from all causes are about 150k per day.

      If wuflu kills 1 million people – and we are not even 10% of that -, that will add 2739 daily deaths, thus moving the average daily rate to 152739.

      Would anyone have noticed if the media were not promoting this as an extinction level event?

      We can see the media and left very much hoping for more deaths – because they think they will benefit politically.

      1. Ward If the whoowho flu kills a million people it will fall short of the 56 million that die every year from all causes. I am sure by now that the politicos and media are hoping for a dramatic upswing in deaths.

    2. I have listed daily numbers from past years and have been criticized for doing so but that is a necessary comparison. It seems that an underlying problem is the reason for many deaths, much like the seasonal flu. I assume that one day an old guy like me will fall to the flu because of underlying problems.

    3. For Europe, it is above normal in Italy and Spain, and it’s due to older 65+ folk dying faster than usual.
      https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
      I wonder if a former US President will tweet “Coronavirus is real, it’s man-made and it’s dangerous” ? sorry, couldn’t resist 😉

  14. So true ..the media is peddling clickbait doom porn. And there is no politician with the guts to stand up to this.

  15. It almost seems like the perfect disease. Cull the oldtimers out of the herd, and the economy will be sustainable. How many books have been written about the overpopulation of the planet, and the baby boom generation bankrupting the planet. We used to have wars that would control the population, but they have been replaced by diseases.

  16. Fun fact.

    If someone is using this crisis for disengenious purposes, there is a high probability they did not consider all possible outcomes and only planned for their favoured outcome.
    For example, the theory that the end goal is to rack up such a huge debt to enslave populations to an onerous tax burden for life, does not take into account that its not unprecedented for a government to be forced into bankruptcy and then all debts get wiped clean.
    This can happen when “they run out of other people’s money”.

    1. When they run out of other people’s money, the other people come by to take everything you have.

      The lockdowns will bankrupt large proportions of what remains of Canada’s native entrepreneurial middle class, so the Overseas Chinese can take over, snapping up most of Canada’s housing stock for pennies—to be rented back to its former owners at outrageous prices—just for starters.

      Killing elderly patriots is gravy.

  17. Most of the legislation that we are dealing with today is nothing but a smokescreen for the failure of our cowardly politicians to do what should have been done at the outset: stop all travel to and from China and round up and test the recent arrivals from there.

  18. Regarding the “controversial”, unproven, uncorroborated, discussion about ventilators vs hemoglobin boosting a day or so ago. Thank you, Kate for posting that … and SHAME on Medium for taking it down. I read it all … and the tone and style “sounded” a little conspiratorial … however … the CONTENT made a lot of sense to me (and endorsed by DrD here).

    Well … now I read that Boris Johnson is NOT being put on a ventilator… but given “blood therapy”. And that Sand worm blood therapy is being used to boost hemoglobin levels in ChiCom-19 patients.

    Once again, Kate … your instinct for important news and information was spot on … and far ahead of mainstream *heh, heh* “journalism”. No pages and pages of FEAR here … just solid information

  19. Here in the Bridge, we have two…I will repeat that; TWO active cases of this right now. NONE are in hospital. If I were to guess, they are at home right now drinking Neo Citran and watching The Price is Right. (Add chicken soup and you have the three best things to help you feel better) We have had a total of 7 cases. 5 are resolved. NONE hospitalized.
    In South Zone (pretty much everything south of Calgary) there have been a total of 22 cases. One hospitalized in Med Hat (non-ICU) At least 10 are now resolved. Thankfully, no deaths.
    This is completely and utterly getting out of hand.
    In the US. Soon you will have a 5 minute test. If positive you will be given a pack of the Zelenco Protocol and told to go home. Rest, Watch Price is Right and let us know when you are better.
    In our benighted dominion it will be: Your test will come back in three days, here’s your copy of Jane has Two Dads, Your liarberal party membership, the pronouncements of the affirmative action Dr. Tam and your application for welfare. Have your family let us know when you’re dead.

    1. AND ANOTHER THING! The local hospital has 220 beds set aside for this pandemic. There are no people in them! Based upon a hospitalization rate of 7.5% That would mean we would have about 2933 cases. We have TWO!!!!!!!!!! Our ICU is empty. Nurses are being sent home because there is nothing for them to do (probably still being paid though)

      1. Is your complaint that the measures to slow the spread is working, or that the hospital appears to be prepared? I hope it stays that way.

        1. A physician acquaintance of mine lost a patient to a subdural hematoma two nights ago. They were too afraid to go to the hospital. The empty hospital.
          I am exceedingly glad that they are prepared and glad that we (knock on wood) have managed to avoid the fate of other jurisdictions. Maybe we’re just anti-social by nature 😉 and that helped.
          Suicides will be rising, mental health crises will be rising, domestic violence will be rising. While we are endeavouring to slay the dragon in front of us, the other dragons have never left and, by neglecting them, may prove to be far deadlier than the covid dragon

          1. Good point. Resources depleted on COVID are not available for the dat-to-day needs of the population. That’s why public health experts pushed the lock-down, so that the strain on primary care can be spread out. It sucks, but the alternatives could be worse.

        2. Just another update. Just received word of a patient with a positive FIT (fecal immunochemical test, an excellent diagnostic tool for early detection of colo-rectal cancer.) Early detection is key for successful treatment. Next step would be a colonoscopy. Can’t get it done because everyone is standing by to prepare for the the onslaught.
          So how long will this patient have to wait as the cancer grows and spreads?

          I work in the medical field

        3. Okay, another update.

          I believe, that this is the first day that active cases has fallen in Alberta. Still 22 confirmed cases in south zone.
          Unfortunately, three more deaths in the province.

    1. Interesting perspective that rings true. I am concerned about his claim that by keeping kids out of school we are preventing the population from developing herd immunity. That has to be true. It also makes sense that flattening the curve does not give you fewer cases, just spreads them out.

  22. Unfortunstely, by choosing this shut down everything path, governments have a vested interest in confirming that they made the right decision. I don’t think they will back off and admit to an overreaction until totally forced to do so. Public servants (at all levels) are driving this fiasco. Why have they shut down parks and hardware stores? I am worried about their doubling down.

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