Put another way, “State education is generally suboptimal and often shockingly bad. Let’s make sure that’s all there is available.”
Put another way, “State education is generally suboptimal and often shockingly bad. Let’s make sure that’s all there is available.”
Judging from the last two decades of “education” it goes without saying, we are failing.
OWG,I would agree with you if the object was to actually educate the masses, but as that pretense was dropped a while back, I’d have to say the program is working magnificently. The system is churning out millions of emotionally crippled eloi completely dependent on “higher powers ” for everything, including how and what to think or believe.
It’s overly optimistic to believe we are going to see some type of reset in the next century or so, as no one in any position of power challenges the orthodoxy. If we could be around in fifty years we would be able to observe the population reduction strategy that follows the complete enslavement of the peasants.
As I always say, “it’s a good time to be old”.
Do you mean failing to actually actively educate your kids AT HOME?
Like help them with homework and correct them, and the curriculum( With proof), so they get straight A’s?
Google Tiger Parenting and see why most Asians are so successful and intelligent and fashionable.
I’ve seen the enemy and it is us!
We did/do exactly that with our kids in the public system. In the private school we found/find that we rarely have to give tutorials and assistance. The material either covered well in class, the teachers are more willing to help students after class and the students can go to supervised study sessions after supper.
It would be ideal if all parents had the time and ability to give extra assistance to their K-12 public school students -but- not all parents can understand, let alone teach, higher level math and science plus help with high school level English and History essays. In fact, some social justice advocates say parental involvement and tutoring is also creating an unfair advantage. Ironically, Asian student’s success has resulted in racial discrimination in public acceptance to charter schools (NYC) and in Ivy League schools
There is also the motivation factor; in “private” schools, the kids are told to do the work and take advantage of it; in the “public” schools, parents leave their child’s education to the school.
I beg to differ there are now online tutors. Before that, it was always possible to hire a high school or college kid to tutor, some did/do it for free. They use the reference for job and college applications.
The fact is WE THE PEOPLE have learned to accept mediocrity as the norm.
Everyone blames the system but no one ever blames the face in the mirror.
That face in the mirror and every other face on the street is the system.
Better people build a better world.
We need better people.
We need to be BETTER people.
I had a neighbors college daughter relate a story about someone who bought a home in the neighborhood she rented while in college.
She said the guy started painting his house and for some reason, mental illness maybe, he could not finish.
So the neighbors were bitching.
At no point did they offer to pitch in and help the poor guy.
Happy to complain about him though.
Worst of all she considered complaining instead of helping normal behavior.
Then again she may or may not have been in an incestuous relationship with her father.
Now that’s normal, right?
Educational systems, like all monopolies, safeguard themselves from competition, not by introspection and self-improvement, but by raising the bar to entry so high that other fledgling organizations cannot enter by virtue of the cost, or by petitioning government to regulate newcomers to either eliminate them or prevent entry through ridiculous hurdles. For all of their social justice moaning, “it’s for the children”, they are only trying to maintain their well heeled jobs and prevent competition that might make the public realize what crap they have been paying for all along. This has never been about nobility or doing what is right.
State monopolies are bad and should be ended. The state does NOT know best and monopolies ARE inefficient,
most state functions, founded for whatever motives, become excuses for the functionaries.
There are not enough lampoons.
Queue Gord Tulk, telling us “more government is the answer”.
There is no point fighting it. All the so called “small” government types here, always calling for yet another government intervention.
“break them up”
“need to call child protective services”
“Alberta run OAS and pension plans”
“things will be different with Scheer”
You have exactly the infinitely expanding government, teachers, police, building inspectors, bylaw officers, mayors, city councils, school boards, party councils, riding associations, condo boards, neighborhood associations, churches , judges, that you deserve.
Scheer and his “conservatives” are just the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globe Trotters in a rigged game of bait and switch in which the bureaucracy plays cover for the aristocratic establishment, now hidden behind “public” companies and banks. Anyone notice that their policies are effectively the same and don’t address real issues, just fabricated ones
No party that threatens Bronfman, Irving and Desmarais (amongst others) control of the country will be given a hard time. Only Max is Mad enough to attempt this. Vote PPC for some real choices.
Especially if the best for your child means keeping them as far away as possible from not-so-little savages who are not worth trying to educate, and who would be better returned with their sires and dams to their cesspit of origin, after being relieved of the ability to reproduce.
I should only deny a father’s right to the best education his resources can buy for his son if those resources were obviously stolen—which, in the case of our master class, almost all of them were.
Let the would-be heirs and successors of our masters find out what place in the world their real abilities will suit them for after their parents are expropriated and executed or sent to prison for good.
Like so many of their peers, they will probably end up doing simple work assigned to them by a gig-economy app—among other reasons, because it will be impossible for them to find stable employment once a prospective employer finds out their past.
University? Forget it, son. You live in the real world now. And good-paying Jobs in the trades go to boys whose fathers worked for a living and raised them right.
Part of what motivated me to do better and ‘move on up to the East side’, was that I couldn’t stand the company of simple-minded, low-achieving communists.
Most of them are poor and and bitchy and totally believe the bullshit they are being fed buy the handful of very rich communist leaders who tell them that being rich is evil and that they should remain poor so as not to be evil.
Yeah, it’s that simple and that stupid.
In this area the high school student population is less than half of what it was 40-50 years ago, but the teaching staff has increased by 59 percent – spread out in 2 schools instead of one. But any talk of closing schools is confronted by “outraged” helicopter mothers who have swallowed the union propaganda that a collection of old bricks and mortar is some kind of a shrine that has to be kept open to ensure proper indoctrination of their 1.1 children.
There are no politicians with the guts to say what needs to be said, let alone do what needs to be done: exempt ratepayers who send their kids to private schools from (at least some) educational portion of their municipal taxes. The Ford government is no exception.
What public school only activists fail to understand is that under their preferred regime there would still exclusivity and tiers. Higher income areas will attract better teachers, special programs would start for high IQ kids, then the creation of public schools that specialize and restrict admission (French immersion, arts, science). It already happens in the Canadian, US and UK public school system. Buying a house in a good school district is a major concern for parents.
Another thing public school only activists ignore is why there is an increase in demand for private education and homeschooling. What are public school systems (from prov ed.depts to admin to teachers) doing wrong? As a parent with kids in both public and private schools, I could write a multi page essay on the topic of what’s wrong with public schools : poor academic rigor, bullying and other behavioral issues, lack of teacher engagement, bizarre grading system, terrible curriculum, infiltration of social justice, immune to accountability and disrespectful to parents to name a few big areas of concern.
Correction: higher income areas consolidate PARENTS who value education, and provide the FORCED discipline (and the joy of learning) upon their children to ensure a better future for them.
Precisely.
Apple tree etc
LC Bennet: Big Brother has taken over the Education system. One World Government run by the rich communist we the people have become Pawns. VOTE OUT TRUDEAU…VOTE OUT LIE-BRALS…
No the activist understand all to well that they will get their kids into the best schools, being well connected. What they don’t want is to lose control fo the monpolistic system so they cannot do that.
Simple, slow down your life, have a coffee, and HOME SCHOOL your children.
There, that was easy!!
Plus ONE
We have to re-think how we educate and train students. The “one size fits all” educational paradigm just doesn’t work anymore.
So there’s that.
Characterising people who go the extra mile for their students as rich snobs who occupy a tier above everyone else is not only unfair but inaccurate. There are middle-class and working-class parents who bust their humps sending their children to certain schools or classes or other means of education.
But why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?
In other words … how DARE all you Asian (#1) and White (#2) People actually actively care-for and raise your children well. How dare you value education. How dare you teach your children values and personal responsibility. Those are “the white man’s construct”.
Money has little to do with it. Culture does. Not that poor white trash are giving their children any more than poor Brown trash are giving theirs … but I would dare to say, no poor white trash would ever tell ‘rich’ people to stop educating their children.
And don’t get me started on the parents who send their little sh*theads to school with severe emotional problems … then claim they are “alternative learners” who simply require the teachers and schools to “accommodate” them. Here’s an idea … keep your “special learners” at home. Home School your “alternative learners”, and don’t infect the NORMAL kids with your ABNORMAL disruptive little sh*ts. And don’t get me wrong, yes … children come in all sizes, shapes, learning capacity, etc. But our society has totally jumped the shark when it comes to “mainstreaming” every special needs disaster imaginable.
The primary reason the teachers UNIONS are so violently opposed to Charter schools and school choice … is they know what will be left behind in the wake of the NORMAL kids fleeing the dysfunctional public school classrooms. Nothing but the unteachable thumb suckers will be left in the public school classroom. Then the disparity between PROPER schools and the PUBLIC schools will come into sharp focus … revealing just how awful our public schools have become.
Neighbor’s goat too must die.
“What right have you got… blah blah … unfair … blah … money”
I have money, you don’t. Because you’re worthless. Your child will be a similarly worthless failure like you because it has your foul genes. I am a better person than you are, and my child will be a better person than your spawn. It is in your worthless spawn’s (who will never amount to anything just like you) interest that my child gets the best education possible because that means higher welfare payments for your spawn. Hope that explains it.
P.S. Educating your child is like shoveling feces against the tide.
I don’t think this sentiment is in any way representative of how most parents with kids in private schools think. If anything, it’s a cartoonish caricature of what a liberal progressive imagine conservatives and libertarians think about others. A liberal progressive who was trying discredit private and charter schools. The vast majority of parents only want what’s best for their children, they aren’t filled with hatred about other people’s children.
Of curse not, most people refuse to admit (even to themselves) the obvious, if the obvious is not politically correct. But facts remain. Children of middle income families will be paying taxes to support the children from ghettos and reserves. Children from stable families will form stable relationships. Children of successful parents will be successful. Children of employed parents will be employed. Yes there are exceptions but these are not important or worthy of policy.
A rich country can afford to be generous. The problem with education on reserves and ghetto may be a failure to understand the educational needs of the community. Perhaps these kids need school choice too. The traditional sit in class, memorize and regurgitate may not work well for many of these students. Some might prefer practical, active, hands on education that leads more quickly to a marketable skill.
Be generous with your own money and I’ll be generous with mine. Sorry I am sick and tired of hearing how poor need to be helped. If you want to avoid poverty then get a job and form a stable family. If you can’t do that then no amount of innovative nanny state will help.
And yes it is absolutely fine, even desirable, and definitely ethical and just for children of successful parents to have advantages over children of parasites. It is a feature not a bug. It is the result of people making right decisions and benefiting from those decisions.
I’d like to see corporate welfare down to zero first. Almost no one in Canada will allow starving kids , old people etc. There will be a certain level of welfare because most voters favor it. I think most rational libertarians understand this. But billions could be saved immediately by cutting out all corporate welfare : Bombardier, CBC, SNC, Sobeys (eg.refrigeration), ship builders, auto makers, green energy, conventional energy, private media…all corporate welfare.
False dichotomy. Corporate welfare is another cancer that I would love to eliminate altogether, independent of the welfare state. As for starving kids etc. Minimum subsistence level of support ideally is best financed by private donations. Since you believe that most Canadians are generous then what is the problem? Or is the problem with the simple fact that most Canadians are generous with other peoples’ money?
Corporate welfare creates jobs, regular welfare, not so much.
“Please do not feed the wild animals, they become lazy and dependant on handouts to survive.” (Provincial government bear safe pamphlet).
“God helps those who help themselves”. My belief? Of course this is not a “biblical” quote, however … If I were in charge of government welfare programs … I would morph the expression to “The government ONLY helps those who help themselves”. If you are not LEGITIMATELY permanently disabled, then you need to participate in your restoration. You need “Workfare”, “Educationfare”, or “Trainingfare”. There should be no such thing as “Welfare”.
And now shall we talk about forced sterilization ?
Most people learn best by hands on method. Theory works for dreamers, but for doers, action is required.
Colonialista has it right on the money.
I was just curious about the reaction around here to :
“P.S. Educating your child is like shoveling feces against the tide” – colonialista
Compared to :
“A rich country can afford to be generous” – me
Pretty much what I expected. Some pretty vile comments are left unchallenged on this site. It’s shifted dramatically to the extreme fringe of the right.
“Some pretty vile comments are left unchallenged …”
Indeed, I have elaborated on it in the following post and you have failed to challenge it.
“Corporate welfare creates jobs…”
Not true. For every job corporate welfare creates, it destroys other jobs that would exist had the recipient of corporate welfare was forced to compete on equal footing.
All I would add is:
“Actually, no. What would be in your brats’ interest would be to be neutered or spayed long before puberty, to ensure they have no more halfwit bastards like their mother did, and to keep them docile long enough to train them to do simple work that pays enough to feed and house them.
“You want my help? I’ll pay to have you fixed, you and the children. A bargain at a hundred times the price. Your children will be grateful one day, and so will mine.”
(I agree completely. Some children are not worth trying to educate.)
For Canadians, communism in health care and education is adequate and for the majority, it compliments their political agenda. No electable political parties in the deranged dominion are opposed to the situation and for the same reasons. Canadians have outsourced most of their adult responsibilities to the state. On the road to serfdom, Canada is no slacker!
Perfectly stated.
Big Brother understands your ignorance is his strength. He’s smarter than you so knows data and facts will only confuse you.
Or think the opposite of what you’ve been led to believe is true. That would be a greater tragedy.
Give these guys the reins and war will become the new peace and black the new white.
They never understood their rejection over their radicalism and electoral obstinacy and true to form, think it will work this time.
There is no other option, except for debate and considering other points of view. People just get headaches when they think.
Too bad for the intellectual yet idiots, racist voters by the hundreds of millions are giving them a headache.
Another simple math fact avoided by lefties is that a two-tiered, public and private system benefits the public system markedly. Think of two families (or patients, if the topic is health care).
Both pay taxes to the public system. If one chooses to utilize the private system, they pay that out of pocket, but they still pay fully into the public system, even though they do not use it. This means that the public system has the same amount of money, but one less student (or patient) to deal with. If I am in a public classroom, the student-teacher ratio just improved by one, and we still are funded by the family that went private or home schooled. If I am a patient, I just moved one notch up in the queue.
If funding was a concern or motive, two-tier would be an obvious choice. You still fund through taxes, but nationally you have more spending on education or health care, because some are putting their private funds in as well as their tax dollars.
If a parent in the public system really cared about their own kid’s education, they would support a two-tiered system.
BUT if their motive is just envy, or finding an excuse as to why Johnny can’t read, then the discourse will continue much as it has.
Rather than “You evil rich person” they should be saying, “Thanks for the extra money, Sucker!”
That is true for the health care system but not entirely so in education. School districts are funded by the provinces on a per student basis. Home schoolers and private school attendees remove funding to the public schools but their taxes continue to go to the provinces. Private schools that are accredited and charge fees below a certain threshold (high end private schools don’t qualify) can receive some of what would have otherwise gone to the public schools and in total save the province money. That’s the situation in BC or at least back when I was involved in it.
“all corporate welfare : Bombardier, CBC, SNC, Sobeys (eg.refrigeration), ship builders, auto makers, green energy, conventional energy, private media…all corporate welfare.” LC Bennet
And that is Canada’s problem… Canadians don’t know how to invest in Canada and generate wealth
Read the History of the Brazil 5, they where economists who attended U of Chicago and when they returned to Brazil they reinvested all profits in themselves. Brazil and bingo. Economic success… Brazil has lost some upward trend when they elected a socialist government, but they still have the best economy in SA
Bombardier generates wealth that stays in Canada… Jobs & secondary parts manufacturing in Canada….When Canada buys a Boeing Jet, the USA gets the money & economic boast… When we fire 25 missiles, the US economy gets a economic boast from the money spent replacing those missiles….All those existing Military Planes & Armaments will become obsolete @ some time… It is the Money spent replacing them that creates Jobs & Wealth…Such is the reason War is good for some….
Get a grip
All economic fallacies! Bombardier has been one giant lingering mal-investment, always just one more refused bailout (85 and counting) from bankruptcy. Money that has gone to them and every other loser that is supported by theft would have gone to sectors of the economy where chances of success were much better and where real growth could have occurred. You said, “Canadians don’t know how to invest in Canada and generate wealth”. Perhaps that is because the sector with the most natural advantage of doing so (O&G for the uninitiated) is totally under attack by the same assholes that throw money at Bombardier. You also said that, “Bombardier generates wealth that stays in Canada..” I’m sure that the executives of Airbus will be giggling at that one over every A220 (formerly C-series Bombardier) they manufacture and sell from Mobile Alabama.
After all that, I will still say we are failing.
Oh look, Colonialista and LC Bennet are having a virtue signalling contest. I am so interested in that, that I will go muck out the litter box.
“Some pretty vile comments are left unchallenged on this site. It’s shifted dramatically to the extreme fringe of the right.”
I agree, everything you have ever posted has been pretty vile.