A Calgary trucking company that owns the semi truck that collided with the Humboldt Broncos bus and killed 15 people has been ordered to keep its vehicles off the road.
A spokesman with Alberta Transportation says Adesh Deol Trucking Ltd. started operating last fall. John Archer said the government suspended the commercial carrier’s safety fitness certificate on Monday.
“This is standard procedure,” he said in a statement Tuesday.
The company hasn’t had any violations or convictions and hasn’t been involved in any collisions before now, Archer added.
Do us all a favour, and avoid random speculation in the comments. If you have verified information or additional links, that’s fine. Otherwise, please wait for the report before casting aspersions about the driver.
More at Global.
Not speculating on majority of truck drivers that caused deadly collisions on Trans-Canada Hwy in NW Ontario, not speculating about temporary foreign workers exploitation in the transportation industry, just heard stories.
Adesh Deol is a hindu name, so the driver……………………………………..
Lets assume the investigation finds the driver of the truck to not be at fault. Would he even want to get back into a rig again?
The Red Star doing their part to deflect and attack the record of the bus company and it’s drivers already. Reporting on a satisfactory safety rating 2 years ago and then it seems they are mentioning some accidents and speeding tickets on some of the drivers personal driving records.
https://www.thestar.com/calgary/2018/04/10/calgary-company-owns-tractor-trailer-involved-in-humboldt-hockey-crash.html
Why is the entire company shut down?
If nothing else on their record?
I’m not saying I doubt it just that I don’t think it’s a good system.
That said I just learned the company hasn’t been subject to a safety audit so Im not as surprise by the revoking of licence.
They’ll be wanting to review all the records to see if they aren’t complying with regulations. (And the entire company is the truck that was in the accident and the one that the company owner drives.)
The company’s owner is Sukhmander Singh according to the NP.
I knew it. My BIL drives and the pakis and indos drive him up the wall. Completely incompetent. Check out the two bridge crashes in Hamilton. Same thing.
Well just a few days ago in India, a bus loaded with children went off the road and landed in a gorge. Most likely an Indian driver. Don’t cha think? (just being facetious)
Maybe it may have been an East Indian driver. No one knows yet. However, my wife coming home from the grocery store just now says how a semi sped up to run a red light on the highway. Not many East Indian types in our area. Whiteys can be just as bad a driver.
Would have thought there would be a little more caution for a few more days.
I was run into the ditch by a grain truck and I am prejudicial against cement mixers, but this is not about a bad driver. It may be about business practices, equipment, employment standards, training and attitudes. The problem may be systemic, however no one will touch it because involves sacred “cultural differences” . Perhaps in this particular case there were other determining factors.
I noticed every reporter using twitter points to the unblemished safety record (for a whole 6 months of operation). Why? The name of the trucking company eventually needed to be reported. Now we know the name but not without these halfwit reporters trying to temper this new companies titanic mistake with all 6 months of a clean record? Do reporters think we are that dense? Six months ago these young men were already on the ice for this season. Six months of driving without an infraction means nothing. Also, in Alberta’s recent economy, how many companies can start up like Adesh Deol did? Were they in business as something else prior? I wouldn’t want to invest in a startup transportation company with two trucks without experience. There has to be more to the story. Let’s hear about this driver’s record for the five years prior to the new company.
This in unison mind controlling reporting is offensive to me. This is a big deal to so many of us. These reporters need to start asking tough questions instead of trying to smooth things over.
Among the million Metro residents of Asian descent there are doubtless a few bad drivers. The published research indicates, however, that the proportion of bad drivers is greater in the long-term population than among recent immigrants.
In the Toronto study, researchers examined accidents and hospital admissions with traffic injuries and compared the rates among a million recent immigrants with those for long-term residents.
“Recent immigrants were less likely to be drivers involved in a serious motor vehicle crash compared to long-term residents,” the study says. “Findings suggest that recent immigrants contribute to fewer serious road crashes than the population norm.”
The elephant you keep seeing that drives so badly? It’s not there.
http://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/stephen-hume-that-ethnic-driver-accidents-stereotype-its-wrong
Oh where would we be without peer review? Like a Pavlovian dog you keep coming back with that article (that does not even give an actual reference to the study) as if it was an answer to all. Bull$hit, take a nice drive through Brampton or Milton and see for yourself. South Asians especially tend to be very poor drivers. No awareness of others, no courtesy for others, arrogance and complete inability to process that when you make room for others you both will get there faster. All reflection of their shithole culture when basic courtesy is seen as a sign of weakness and submission.
I think it is easy to put out stats that reflect whatever you want them to. We need to know if this is a crude comparison of population numbers vs. accidents, or if they looked at numbers of drivers within the population as a subset and/or, time spent driving. Lots of factors come into play.
Try driving in Surrey.
Idiot.
Please quit referring to that poorly constructed and misleading study.
“Anyone who got their very first OHIP card during that time was considered a recent immigrant.” That includes people moving in from other provinces – hardly immigrants.
The study was technically weak on several other premises as well.
As if any study these days would actually find ‘recent immigrants’ deficient in anything. In any event, IF your relative is found to be at fault in this catastrophe, he just skued all of the statistics. This is one of the biggest fatal highway accidents in Canadian history. Then there was that Air India ‘accident’, another Canadian record.
You really need to shut up.
I don’t care who the driver was. No doubt this collision did not occur on purpose, there was no malicious intent. Most likely he made a mistake, whether that was a serious mistake of improper driving, or whether that was a mistake of attention, or some other mistake, it makes little difference to me, apart from the fact efforts should be made to prevent the same mistake by anyone else in the future. I also think the bus driver likely made a mistake, because the sheer force of the crash, and the lack of skid marks indicating braking, that makes me think the bus driver did not notice the truck on the road before hitting it. But in the same vein, this matters little to me either, apart from whatever can be done to prevent any similar mistakes in the future.
I saw the intersection on Google Earth in my opinion based solely off that I doubt
The bus driver would have seen the truck until the last second due to a stand of trees.
I heard one of his passengers said the bus hit the brakes just before collision.
“I also think the bus driver made a mistake’??? Appears to me that the only mistake he made was to get out of bed Friday morning. What an absolutely moronic statement to make. You make that statement and offer no logical example of what that mistake might have been. Have you seen a photo of that intersection, SCF? If you have seen one you would know that there probably was no way for the bus driver to know that a vehicle was approaching on his right because of many trees there. You really owe that bus driver and all SDR readers one huge apology. Then – crawl back into the deep hole you crawled out of.
Just watched the video at the bottom of the Global report. Observe where the stop signs are located, where the splash pattern of the semi’s load ended up and where the vehicles are lying. It is possible an unfortunate brake failure happened or a medical reason, so I might get a surprise and end up feeling sympathy for the semi driver but not yet.
Or an important text had to be sent.
Last year, I made several road trips to the house I inherited from my father. On several occasions, I encountered rigs that drove near or over the speed limit, particularly on the isolated stretches of the highway. They were often unsafe, frequently passing where there wasn’t much room.
I made sure I got out of their way as soon as possible as my Golf was no match for them.
As a 62yo, I have 46 years driving experience. I just drove round trip from SF to LA this past week for Easter break (sorry, not a “Spring Break” for me).
Let me say that I have never experienced more OUTRAGEOUSLY bad truck driving in all my driving years. Truck drivers changing lanes and leap-frogging fellow drivers without turn signals, cutting off automobile drivers … forcing them to jam on the brakes and nearly causing multi-car pile ups … this happened regardless of traffic congestion or open road. Constantly. Trucks were meandering out of their lanes and generally just awful driving. And the smaller the truck, the worse driving habits.
I saw almost NO white people behind the wheel of these big rigs. Just saying. I have ALWAYS known that it is TOO EASY to get a CDL. But now I am convinced it is far too easy to obtain a Class A or B Commercial (truck) drivers license too.
I have friends in the industry.
It’s become an entire racket for Indian immigrants to get their Class A or B commercial licenses.
They treat it like they’re back in India.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/20-specialists-found-to-have-fake-degrees-80-more-under-scanner/articleshow/63635033.cms
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/diploma-mills-marketplace-fake-degrees-1.4279513
I’ve been noticing the same thing. I have no idea what’s going on in the trucking industry but I give them a wider berth now than ever.
I worked with one fellow who was a raving racist. He hated south Asian drivers in particular. On one job we had a truck back up to the dock. The south Asian driver jumped out and asked if he was OK. His body job truck was about 3 feet from the dock and at a 45 degree angle. We told him it was good since he had spent 10 minutes getting that close. Tonight I watched a man in a bright orange turban back his semi across a busy parking lot and into the loading dock in one smooth reverse. I don’t believe skin colour has anything to do with competence behind the wheel and I am not going to judge this accident based on the name on the side of the rig.
“I don’t believe skin colour has anything to do with competence behind the wheel and I am not going to judge this accident based on the name on the side of the rig.”
Exactly. This is not a racial issue. It was about a horrible accident. No terrorism. No political statement.
I got lots of stories about bad trucker behaviour. And I don’t know any that are brown skinned.
Why would it be standard procedure to shut down a trucking company with no evidence that the company is at fault? Have they checked the truck and found that the brakes were so out of adjustment that he couldn’t stop at the stop sign? If so, that’s the driver’s responsibility, not the company’s.
The only one that should be suspended at this point is the driver, and I doubt that he would want to be driving anyway.
A new comprehensive review of the auto insurance industry in this province has found that while Ontario’s roads are among the safest in North America, Ontario drivers pay the highest premiums in the country.
In 2013, Ontario’s injury rate (62.1 per 10,000 licensed drivers) was the lowest in Canada and the province’s fatality rate (0.54 per 10,000 licensed drivers) was the second lowest in all of North America.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-drivers-pay-most-in-canada-1.4071464
The province with the highest proportion of immigrants had the second lowest fatality rate in North America.
At this time of year, when the sun is warm yet the air temperature can be several degrees below freezing, drifting snow across paved surfaces can turn to ice in minutes. Brake drums and brake components can freeze up in a hurry.
Lets not jump to conclusions.
Tires skidding on ice don’t leave big black marks. Let’s not jump to excuses.
Questions about the experience, the training, the qualifications, adherence to transportation regulations by both the owner and his driver of the tractor-trailer involved in the accident will be extensive.
I’d expect the RCMP and provincial investigators will be especially thorough in analysis. Their reputation is on the line here, too.
It will be made fully public.
Neither province will dare not do so.
Mass migration has lowered the wages paid to many tractor-trailer driving positions.
Has there been any lowered standards of driver qualifications, history and experience of a 3rd world drivers, who have driven down the wages of the industry in recent years?
If so, such will not go unchallenged. The cost of this accident is too high to be deflected by political correctness.
If not, that will be important to be verified, too.
Justin Trudeau’s advocacy of replacing hierarchies of competence with identity politics doesn’t fly on the prairies.
The stop sign with the flashing red light, the twisted metal, and the dead and mangled bodies of those representing the heroism of Canadian youth will be long remembered.
Wow. Whatever happened to waiting for the accident report and reconstruction?
Well … despite CA’s “no fault” insurance law … the fact remains SOMEONE is at FAULT in an accident. Unless you are like an 8yo who claims that … yes … “the vase did jump off the shelf – on its own” … someone made a mistake.
I believe that most people here don’t want the accident investigation conducted according to the rules of “political correctitude”, but according to the evidence and facts … wherever that leads. I would expect no less than the thoroughness of a NTSB accident investigation. Why? So we LEARN from our mistakes, and don’t repeat the error … whatever it may have been.
I don’t know how many Hindus, er Asians are truck driving in CA … not a lot by my casual observation. The “brown” drivers I see in the majority of rigs in CA appear to be of the Mexican persuasion. Something I have noticed about the average “Mexican-looking” driver on the road (both truck and automobile) is that they drive with a distinct machismo. The machismo is expressed in both speeding (far faster than the flow of traffic) and driving slow in the left (passing) lane … far slower than the other lanes. In either case, they tend to drive as if they own the road … either fast or slow. They drive as if they have no clue about the State of CA “Basic Speed Law” … SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. Despite the fact that there are multiple signs placed up and down the freeway reminding drivers of this Basic driving Law. Perhaps this Law does not exist in their countries of origin? Perhaps they cannot read English? Perhaps they cheated on their driving test? (something of a cottage industry). Perhaps it is simply a matter of “quien es mas macho?”
The problem is that it is UNSAFE to have mismatched speeds across the freeway. SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. Anything other than this Basic Speed Law=death. I have watched my CA freeways deteriorate both by incompetent drivers, and incompetent Cal Trans bureaucrats. Is it because of a shift in skin color? … well … I know for certain that it is due to a shift in culture. I will let YOU get hung up on whether that is “racist”, “xenophobic”, or whatever makes you happy. I just want safe drivers on the road. Drivers who know the Law, can read the signs, and drive according to the Law. I want my Californian and American culture back.
Bienvenidos! … If you ADOPT our culture. Adios … if you don’t. This wasn’t a sh*thole State when I grew up. Now … well … look around. It’s a patently sh*thole eco system these days. And it wasn’t made that way by … my people.
Why doesn’t everybody join me in not speculating at the Folkfest Pavilions?
I’ve read and heard that this particular intersection is known to be problematic with people regularly driving through the stop at full speed. An accident involving a pickup and a tractor trailer in the late 90’s killed a family in the pick up. The pickup went though the stop sign that time. The driver of the semi tried for years to get improvements to the intersection done but nothing happened.
Maybe a set of rumble strips would have prevented this?
I have noticed many tractor trailer drivers ‘slide’ through stop signs without stopping.
What part of “avoid random speculation” don’t you understand, folks?
I was talking to one of our recent cultural assets from Syria. He said he told his caretakers he always wanted to drive a truck. In a couple of days the government issued him a truck driving licence without a test.
Huh? Don’t leave us hanging like that. Where in the world are you talking about? Surely not Saskatchewan. But if Saskatchewan – are you going back to the 1970’s when a simple ‘chauffeur’s’ licence got you behind the wheel of a semi? That would never happen today nor for a long time now.
New Brunswick.
Highly doubtful that happened anywhere in Canada modern day. Driver requirements are fairly standardized across the nation. You might want to do some digging into your info source. I’m not buying what you’re peddling.
Are you calling the Muslim fella a liar? That would be Islamophobic and reportable. 🙂
“A spokesman with Alberta Transportation says Adesh Deol Trucking Ltd. started operating last fall. John Archer said the government suspended the commercial carrier’s safety fitness certificate on Monday.
“This is standard procedure,” he said in a statement Tuesday.”
Is it? My little brother was the driver of the rig that two teens drove into during the Fort Mac fire, don’t recall him mentioning their certificate being revoked during the investigation.
Different circumstances of course…..
Yes, those circumstances seem different. On the face of it “two teens drove into” that truck suggests investigators could have been satisfied very quickly that the driver of the truck wasn’t at fault. The Broncos crash doesn’t seem entirely clear yet, but the truck had a stop sign and it seems unlikely it could have got up enough momentum from a standing start to carry the bus through to northwest corner of the junction if the north bound bus hit it at the apparent point of impact (the trailer). So they’ll be examining all the technical evidence very thoroughly but the truck driver’s competence/qualification must also be verified and that brings under scrutiny the employer’s responsibility to select and appropriately assign a competent driver. This would be happening just the same whatever the race or ethnicity of the driver and the ownership of the company.
A twitter feed last night Dean Skoreyko) linked a vid of a MSM person ‘driving the bus route’. She was entirely incorrect since she implied the bus came to a stop sign. Dean sent her a bit of a condemning tweet just for her morbid vid.
Just check with your insurance company to see which area in the GTA pays the highest premiums and you will find it is Brampton. My agent told me it was due to the high accident, incident rate plus the incredible number of scams the resident muslims etc. try to pull like women claiming neck injuries and there was no collusion by the following car that she claimed either hit or forced her to stop too quickly.
From the look of the busted up vehicles, it appears to me as if the bus plowed into the trailer itself. The truck cab front end was not smashed in. The driving compartment of the bus is peeled apart like a tuna can. This suggests to me that one of the two ran a stop sign, or the truck pulled out from one without checking first.
There was a stop sign on the truck’s route, the bus didn’t face one. And it is hard to believe the truck pulling away from a stop could have built up enough momentum to carry both vehicles clear off the west side of the intersection when the north bound bus hit its trailer. This must suggest to accident reconstruction specialists that the truck was moving at some speed and they will be doing the calculations to prove or disprove this when they have all the physical evidence evaluated.
Exactly. Truck had too much momentum to not end up where it did, or the bus for that matter. If truck was just starting up, both of them would be married north of the intersection & one would have to ask why the truck thought he could beat the north bound bus, lights on, approaching from the south, from a standing start.
I measured on Google. Trees don’t block any view….if you stop at the stop sign. And that IS critical. A clear view for north bound & west bound, if stopped for it. Last tree is about 17-18 m east of the shoulder, the stop sign is about 18 m from the highway center. Put yourself at the stop sign & spin yourself looking south. Nothing blocking your view, if you’re stopped as required.
If they haven’t charged the driver, he will be charged with “failing to yield to the right of way”, stopped or not. Other charges pending. What his ethnic diversity or the trucking company’s diversity is, is not relevant to the discussion. This accident did not have to happen, same for the one that killed 6 people at this same intersection, 20 years ago. Wrong place at the wrong time. Been there, done that.
I didn’t need to see the photo when I first posted on the cause, days ago. All I needed was an aerial view of the intersection & the media’s brief description. The psychology of the truck driver, driving that route day after day, or anyone else living in that area for a lifetime would be similar…..quick look, gun it after a “Quebec stop”, or just power on through not even stopping because there’s nobody ever around, or even to see you do it. “Everybody does it” & you do too. Truck driver probably saw that done, the first day on the job, when he stopped, either direction.
….In an email, Graeme McElheran, director of communications for Alberta Transportation, said the company’s risk factor prior to the incident was rated at zero, “due in part to its performance and in part to the fact that its Alberta operation is only a few months old.”
The company does have one Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance inspection defect from the Northwest Territories for violating the federal hours of service regulation….
So, the narrative that the company is free from safety infractions is false.
My experience in the trucking industry is these small start-ups stay on the road as long as possible to pay the bills, going over their hours as a matter of course. This is a 2 truck company, 6 months old – essentially a start-up.
Unless he bought those trucks outright, he had a stack of bills to pay.
There are similar intersection in the middle of nowhere in Manitoba, with stop signs and very little traffic. The visibility on these intersection is not obstructed by trees or buildings, yet deadly t-bone accident happened on more then one occasion. I myself once “blew through” such intersection, although I could see there was not a car coming to from either side. What I could not see was the stop sign. For some reason human brain sometimes don’t register signals that are not expected or out of place.
The best solution would be a round-about.
“What I could not see was the stop sign.”
Because you had your eyes closed? Because you were looking at your phone? Because you are an idiot?
“The best solution would be a round-about.”
You are an idiot! Highways are for the most efficient/sarc movement of road traffic between two points, connected by a grid of major and minor highways and rural roads. All connected by approaches from private or corporate or government homes and business. It is the TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE responsibility of every driver to ensure they are competent and understand the rules of the road. Adherence is not a choice but a responsibility.
Driving takes common sense. We as humans make mistakes.
To have roundabouts of highways would only be thought about by an idiot . Traffic congestion and accidents would be huge. Try seeing a traffic circle when driving in the dark, unless they are all lit up, driving up the cost of electricity as every intersection would need one.
How about just paying a little more attention to your task at hand? Stop signs are the same colour all over North America and most of the world for a reason. They mean stop. To ignore or not pay attention has the potential for accidents just like this one. Or just stop driving!!!
Thank you for your Dunning-Kruger opinion. I drove on every continent and few islands, on roads that you can not imagine.
Some round-abouts in the world have hump in the middle , thin flag pole in the center and reflective curbs. Where the highways are concerned the round-about must be fair size diameter – you must be an idiot not to see that the road corners.
https://www.videoblocks.com/video/aerial-big-multi-lane-roundabout-intersection-in-highway-junction-wxracwk
The intersection of Highway 12 & PR 317 in Manitoba was a notorious for the same reason, people kept blowing the stop sign on 317 and making carnage.
Department of Highways has pretty much solved the problem by making it a 4 way stop, adding oversized stop signs with flashing lights and rumble-strips on the approaches to this corner.
Seems to have worked…
Another passenger died today: Dayna Brons, athletic therapist. The 16th casualty. Please God, no more.