47 Replies to “Cold, Wet Hands”

  1. I like Twitter for the immediate response. Danielle was able to respond to the whitewash in real time. 1,800 doors in a town of 10,000 is probably about half of the residences. Of course the media is carrying the water, Nothing to see hear, move along.

  2. Exactly Mark, the mainstream media will be more than happy to help bury this story.
    No different that the mainstream media in the States whitewashing the snooping scandal down there.
    The media may even hate the spying and illegal entries, but they will throw themselves under the bus if they think it will help their respective messiahs.
    Speaking of that, it makes you wonder if any of them have photoshopped a picture of Obama and Trudeau shaking hands and fall asleep at night staring at it. (In their dream, Obama would have Customs allow the confessed pot smoker stroll right on across, no questions asked)

  4. I like Twitter for the immediate response. Danielle was able …
    Danielle’s first immediate response to the event was in support of the RCMP. She lost a lot of points by running off at the twitter-mouth (luckily I’m not an Alberta voter). I’m becoming very cynical about ALL politicians. And the “immediateness” of twitter shows me kaka.

  5. Yeah well, don’t expect Redford to attend that townhall meeting…..
    After the overtime from the floods, she couldn’t muster a coupla platoons of barn burners with “heavy weapons” as an escort anyway.
    Heavy weapons = shotguns, assault rifles, Mp5 smgs……

  6. Yes will be good to see how Danielle Smith responds to her initial support of the RCMP, even with how limited knowledge she may or may not have had.

  7. The High River Agricultural Society made an email request to the RCMP to have the musical ride for their Sept 9th fair. The RCMP responded within 10 min saying they would be there. Hello damage control. Apparently previous years requests were not approved.

  8. Danielle has, I believe, also thrown in with Redford on not only bailing out home-owners who had their homes damaged in the floods and in prohibiting future development on flood plains. Maybe she just invited Redfraud along so she could get some help with carrying sacks of taxpayer monies to throw at the crowd.

  9. Being secure against unreasonable search and seizure (Section 8 of the Charter) is one the most important principles in a free and democratic society.
    Our ancestors have fought, bled and died for that right, again and again over hundreds of years, a right that applies to all people.
    Retaining that right has always been a challenge, but worth it.
    A liberal democracy respects the Rights of all people.
    If CTV is hostile to the concept of equal rights for all and the Charter, under whose auspices, they, too are protected, that should become widely known.
    The 1800 residents of High River, whose Charter Rights were violated, need to look into launching a class-action lawsuit against all responsible: the Redford government, the RCMP and whomever they answer to in Ottawa, if anyone.
    Do Albertans have a choice between having Charter Rights and a provincial police force or having the RCMP and no Charter Rights?
    To date, Premier Redford, a lawyer, has shown no interest in protecting the Constitutional Rights of the people of High River and by implication, all Albertans.
    Can Danielle Smith hold Redford to account for this violation of the administration of justice, which is provincial jurisdiction?
    Do the people of High River pay taxes for the purpose of having public servants violate their Constitutional Rights?
    The RCMP are a federal police force, what is the Prime Minister’s responsibility for their attitudes, indoctrination, training and performance?
    Harper chose to continue the critical component of C-68(1995) of Chretien/Rock, making simple possession of a firearm a criminal offense.
    Apparently, the 5year renewable lease called, a firearm’s Possession and Acquisition License (P.A.L.) has been the basis of the RCMP raids.
    This is it’s main purpose.
    The long gun registry repeal was smoke and mirrors.

  10. You gotta go with “Hell or High River” for the post title, no? Sorry. Presumptuous I know but thought it would have been perfect. You’re awesome. Keep up the great work.

  11. County Mounties may be a federal force but they are contracted out (as it were) to be the provincial police force of the province. That means they report to and take orders from the Alberta justice department. That would seem to me (not a lawyer therefore a real person)that Ms Redford was more concerned about her UN clients than the citizens of Alberta. The amount of alleged confiscations in a town the size of High River does indicate there is need to see what happened.

  12. The fact that there was so much “precision”, makes one wonder how the registry is still available to police.
    Anyone who feels that Danielle is over sensationalizing this issue can go &$^# themselves(to put it lightly).
    Anyone(REDford) who believes child sexual abuse survivors are mentally ill doesn’t have the capacity to lead a province nor dictate human freedoms.

  13. Did anyone get to the bottom of the equally important question of how many guns were seized off a nearby Indian Reserve, which was also evacuated?

  14. “…Danielle’s first immediate response to the event was in support of the RCMP. She lost a lot of points by running off at the twitter-mouth…”
    Aye, indeed. Something must have happened on her journey to Damascus…

  15. Larry’s post contains a critical aspect. At some point, this will end up in court. And it will be among other things a battle over Section 8 regarding freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. This is by no means a slam-dunk. The police and other emergency services are granted rather sweeping powers under emergency conditions.

  16. Yeah well if the High River Ag Fair is hiring the musical ride then case closed. That shows everyone that the RCMP behavior has been deemed acceptable by the locals. It’s their town and their decision.

  17. “Did anyone get to the bottom of the equally important question of how many guns were seized off a nearby Indian Reserve, which was also evacuated?”
    I am fairly well acquainted with my MP,and E-mailed him about this a couple of days after it occurred.
    His office staff replied with the usual “thank you this has been brought to the MP’s attention” etc. So far,I have not heard a word back.
    I suspect the RCMP didn’t go anywhere near the Reserve,as the Rez Indians were exempted from the Firearms Act to placate activist Indian Chiefs.
    More gun violence per capita occurs on Rez’s than anywhere else in Canada, but they were exempted from C-68. Makes no sense at all, just more political pandering to aggressive minority groups.

  18. If Redfraud continues down this anti-rights, anti-freedom path,
    on gun seizures, it would be a reasonable inference that she may
    not have given her flunkies written orders to proceed against the
    gun owners, but they “got the message” and obeyed.
    That still leaves motive to be tracked down.

  19. get a grip people when there are angry people offering to shoot people like the mounties, like count floyde was, it is incumbent to seize guns, after Mayerthorpe, you cannot blame these Mounties, or does that little fact evade Ms Smith and her rodeo cowboy/clown followers.

  20. I built my place on a hilltop, over the last 33 years my wind fences have been blown down, so I rebuild them, where in my contract with the govt. that I DON”T HAVE, is there a clause, saying “we will pay for your stupidity”.. I am sorry folks, I have good friends in “HIGH RIVER”,,,that built their houses beside the “HIWOOD RIVER” with gravel deposits as far north as Cargill, I forgot lefties plant little rocks and water them,,, no gravel is deposited by flooding,,, is there a theme here yet, and this wreck is someone elses fault…;? Why not stick you hands into a cobras cage and scream for govt. compensation in your last hours. This is a disaster, the govt is doing their best, and if they don’t take some time to verify every claim, they will have people from Ontario claiming lost couches. Smith has turned out to be an embarassment, I was disgusted with Stelmach but this shill for the dull elite is an insult to the politically enlightened, stick to the MMA crowd honey or go after the developers that made a bundle selling swampland to fools.

  21. Here are the actions taken by the National Firearms Association so far on the High River Gun Grab:
    • Filed six Access to Information Act requests with the RCMP (see NFA website);
    • Wrote two letters to the RCMP Public Complaints Commissioner (see NFA website);
    • Shared our concerns with both federal and provincial politicians;
    • Paid for an expert analysis of an RCMP video that proves they were actually searching for firearms when they broke into High River homes (he’s “located all the guns” – see NFA website);
    • Issued a news release on Tuesday exposing these facts to the media, the public, politicians and the RCMP brass (see NFA website);
    • Worked with a gun owner’s best friend, lawyer Richard Fritze from Red Deer, to develop a claim form for anyone who has had their rights violated or witnessed these rights being violated to come forward with their stories and have their identity protected by solicitor-client privilege (see NFA website for form)
    • Encouraging everyone who has had their home broken into and property taken to consider filing a personal complaint with the RCMP Public Complaints Commissioner.
    Hope to see you in High River tomorrow night at Danielle’s Forced Entry and Seizure of Property Town Hall Meeting
    Highwood High School
    1033 1st st SW
    High River, Alta
    September 5th – 7:00 PM

  22. Three words of advice to those who have documented losses, this advice is worth at least as much as anyone has paid for it: Class Action Suit.

  23. chg: “The police and other emergency services are granted rather sweeping powers under emergency conditions.”
    According to Lawyer Ed Burlew on SUN Media, this doesn’t matter. Provincial Law doesn’t surpass the Charter.
    http://www.torontosun.com/videos/2516269324001
    If they had gone in searching for marijuana, there would have been hell to pay.

  24. If the police were threatened, I bet it was by a person, not a firearm. Police action doesn’t make sense, nor do you.

  25. “Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women,
    When it dies there, no constitution, no law,
    no court can save it.” – Justice Learned Hand
    As for what powers are granted under some Emergency legislation, unless it specifies committing break and enters for the express purpose of confiscating firearms, it isn’t germane to the argument over Section 8 of the Charter.
    They are on public released video expressing confiscating firearms as their purpose, their justification for the Break and Enters.
    The Charter is the highest law in the land and other law is to be found invalid to the extent that it violates the Charter.
    If the people of High River demand their Rights be respected and refuse to be stonewalled by the RCMP, the Redford Administration in Edmonton and the Harper Administration in Ottawa.
    They will reclaim their right to be secure from unreasonable search and seizure.
    That precedent will help to protect those of us living in other provinces, too.
    If they fail, make no mistake about it, this is an RCMP test case for all of Canada.

  26. I don’t know why you guys are so upset. What part of “You have no property rights” didn’t you understand?
    Clearly the Premier decided that there would be lootin’ and shootin’ and killin’ in High River after the water came, and that the pele there were stupid and had to be controlled. Welcome to Canada. Only Indians have rights, the rest of us have taxes.
    Unless maybe the whole town of High River showed up and started beating the tribal drum and burning tires on Main St., that might make an impression eh? Not showing up to riot is a failed Conservative tactic.

  30. Danielle Smith’s Wildrose party is making 22 recommendations to compensate current victims and to reduce damage in the future. …
    … the Wildrose party would not provide any assistance to homeowners who want to rebuild now in the most high-risk areas, but would extend relief to those who want to relocate.
    “It is very difficult to justify government paying for the rebuilding of homes and businesses in dangerous locations that cannot be protected with improved flood mitigation infrastructure,” said Wildrose house leader Rob Anderson.
    The Opposition also said it would cap the amount of funding it would provide to residents and business owners rebuilding after a flood. Anderson would not disclose a dollar figure, but said the compensation program would pay for the reconstruction of an average-priced home.
    (emphasis added)
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/alberta-government-plan-for-flood-recovery-focuses-on-four-main-areas-216027681.html?device=mobile

  33. Alberta Martial Law 2013 who’d have thought?
    Since Redfrauds visit to the Bilderberger secret meeting in Virginia last year, it’s been militarized police jackboots kicking in doors of private homes and gun confiscations in ridings of political rivals.
    Shameful, what’s next?

  34. Bartinsky says “it is incumbent to seize guns, after Mayerthorpe, you cannot blame these Mounties”.
    Of course you can. The Mayerthorpe situation was not even CLOSELY similar to High River. The perp in Mayerthorpe was well known to the RCMP….and they did nothing to deal with him. Typical leftist, Bartinsky….leave the REAL criminals to go about their business and go after the innocent. Much easier.
    Get lost.

  35. “The police and other emergency services are granted rather sweeping powers under emergency conditions.” Well, somewhat. But they are still bound by the Emergency Management Act itself and the law does NOT give them the powers you seem to imply.
    The INTENT of the law is paramount…..and as for intent, there is this.
    Mr. Jacobs:
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question is also for the Minister of Municipal Affairs. Some of my constituents feel that powers granted to a local authority during a local state of emergency can be abused. What assurances can you give them that they will not be abused?
    Mr. Griffiths:
    Mr. Speaker, I know from the hoots and hollers before that some of the members from the wild alliance indicate that this is about property rights. This is not about property rights. This is an issue where local municipal officials, local firefighters, local police officers, and local paramedics are trying to save lives. There is compensation provided in the rare necessary circumstance when property must be commandeered, but I can’t
    think of a single Albertan that wouldn’t want a vehicle commandeered if it meant saving their grandmother from a burning building. THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.” (my emphasis)
    March 14, 2012 Alberta Hansard 509

  36. Joey, exactly.
    The intent of the law is to save the stupid people from their stupid selves, and to do that enlightened Officials shall have the power to do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want. Because STUPID people (which is to say all Canadians who don’t work for the government) don’t deserve property rights. Because you’re stupid.
    Also note there is a difference between commandeering a vehicle to save someone in immediate mortal danger, and kicking in 1800 doors looking for guns to steal. Oh I’m sorry, to legally seize because they are “not sufficiently secured”. But not in the intent of the law, which is that cops can do whatever Alison Redford tells them to because she’s smart and y’all aren’t.

  37. That is precisely correct, Phantom. I recall when the debate over the seizure powers were being debated in the Legislature. The CLEAR intent of the law was to be able to essentially expropriate equipment that was needed to HELP in dealing with the emergency itself. The examples being used were the use of a bulldozer that was needed to plow a fire break or something like that and the owner would not give permission. The law also says that compensation would be paid after the expropriation of the personal property. The intent was NEVER to break into houses and allow cops to help themselves to whatever they felt like it. The law was clearly breached.
    Of course, anyone who believes a word that comes out of the mealy mouth of Redford needs their head examined. There isn’t a lie that woman isn’t prepared to tell. Must be her UN training.

  38. Once you give power to expropriate for any specific reason at any time, you’ve gin power to expropriate for ALL reasons ALL the time. We either have rights or we don’t.

  39. “Yeah well if the High River Ag Fair is hiring the musical ride then case closed. That shows everyone that the RCMP behavior has been deemed acceptable by the locals. It’s their town and their decision.”
    Dunno. Maybe it’s just a hell of a fine opportunity for the pissed-off citizens to show up and booo and jeer the Queen’s Posturers right out of the ring.

  40. Wrong. You don’t know what you are talking about. Property rights are the realm of the provincial governments. And property rights exist unless they are exempted for a NARROW, SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Want an example? If a pipeline is being built, the right to expropriate is granted to the company by the governing authority. But that right only exists insofar as the actual need for that portion of the property required for the building and maintenance of the pipeline. NOTHING ELSE.

  41. The Redford government’s actions in High River were likely based on their myopic interpretation of eminent domain – but clearly abused the principle, as they had no intention of compensating anyone for property damage or theft via due process in the court of law.
    Police do not make law, they enforce policy.
    Even allodial land rights are subject to the whims of the crown.
    99.99 % of us hold our property in “fee simple” a modern version of feudalism.

  42. Except the law in this case does not give them the power of eminent domain over any personal property. It only gives them the power to seize equipment that is to be used directly in assisting with the emergency itself.

  43. Bartinsky your supposed friends in High River do not make you an expert on anything High River. I LIVE in High River. You have no idea what you are talking about. If the government issues permits to land within a flood plain they must take some responsibility. When the government approves the engineering of train and car bridges which create bottle necks for flooding rivers they must take responsibility. When the government acquiesces to fish egg environmentalists to leave the huge gravel bars (yes you idiot the flooding does leave gravel bars in our Highwood river – I have lived here for 38 years and every high level spring runoff leaves gravel esp at the corners – one of which is only 400m from the narrow train bridge and centre street bridge) they must take responsibility.
    When the RCMP used helicopters with infrared cams to locate people still in their home then yes the provincial govt who essentially rent or lease the RCMP have to take responsibility for kicking in 1800 doors for what is essentially a lie. Homes with guns whose owners never registered were not searched for guns. The logical conclusion is they used the gun registry list. What the govt and RCMP have created is a lack of trust which may only lead to noncompliance in future mandatory evac orders.
    When the town and province have repeatedly refused to answer question and concerns at least Ms. Smith is trying to get those answers to the residents. And when a member of the Conservative caucus starts calling non-Conservative MLA’s names, swearing, and responding that public forums are nothing but political scoring then in whom Bartinsky would you like the residents to place their trust?
    The $ given to Tervita, Sleep Country, Sprung Structures et al borders on criminal. Period.
    The business guaranteed loans are structured to help solvent businesses. How many small (or large for that matter) businesses do you know that don’t function on a line of credit?
    And Bartinsky – please, please google the name High River and learn the facts for why it was thus named instead of spreading your lack of knowledge as fact.
    Would you like me to continue refuting your idiocy?

  45. Redfraud says the RCMP were acting in their federal capacity
    when they did (bad) things so it’s not her problem. That seems
    very unlikely. The most generous explanation of the motives
    of the RCMP burglars would likely be much more mundane, like
    running some sort of makework overtime racket to keep the fuel
    flowing for the gravy train.
    Alberta needs a provincial police force like any grown up province.
    And a premier with less UN experience in her background.

  47. Nurse Redford has never missed a photo-op with law enforcement types dressed in full uniform. By my personal extrapolation she deliberately but implicitly established and re-enforced an us vs. them mindset. No need for explicit orders – The police “pack mentality” was already fully permissioned at a high level.

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