IAEA: Japan nuke cleanup may take more than 40 yrs
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I would just remind any anti-nuclear zealots that might troll through here that to date not one single person has died in the Fukushima Daiichi incident. Not one person either locally or planet wide has even gotten sick from it. Nothing. Not a sausage. Zip. Nada.
Yeah well, ya gotta always bear in mind that these anti-nuke freaks know as much about nuclear physics as Al Gore knows about climate….nothing…zip.
The most glaring example was that ignorant Movie back in the day…”The China Syndrome”…describing a process that simply is impossible……Chernobyl proved that…as if it needed proving. In the case of Chernobyl the melted core formed a hot puddle on the concrete floor of the containment building….it is currently sitting in the parking lot under a big pile o’ gravel.
Most of the fools think a nuclear reactor can blow up like the “tzar bomba”…..
Care must be taken to limit prevent radioactive leakage but so far with the signal exception of Chernobyl there has never been a serious accident…..and Chernobyl was the result of massive politcal malfeasance/ineptitude. Even the primitive Norks haven’t had an accident.
Our media and government are sitting on the data that shows the full extent of global environmental damage from Fukushima. http://www.naturalnews.com/Fukushima.html
Easy to spot the Pacific seafood these days at the super market it’s the stuff with the soft blue glow.
Saskatchewan is willing to sell Japan as much natural gas as we can pipeline to the B.C. coast and load onto L.N.G. tankers!
We’ll even throw in a few bushels of wild rice to sweeten the deal.
40 years? Meh. They came up with that number because that will provide lifelong careers for a bevy of statist rent-seekers, nothing more.
Second assistant undersecretary to the vice-president of the mop-handle decontamination committee, at 140 million yen per year, with bennies, and cost-of-living allowance? What’s not to like?
No that’s not it. Some parts of the plant will need to sit isolated where they are for some time to allow radiation levels to decay. It’s a standard consideration in site decommissioning; the longer you let it sit, the more easily it’s handled and the lower radioactivity it has. There’s an optimum point at which it can be dismantled, and 40 years is about right for a nuclear power plant of any kind.
Yep. That’s about the size of it.
Plus, the culture is such that it almost never rushes to do anything.
The article makes it pretty clear that they are talking about 40 years of active work; they go on about several sorts of “instability”. I have no problem with simply putting up a fence around it, monitor the perimeter, and let it sit until it cools off. And if there are crucial hot spots in the site that need to be dealt with now, deal with them.
But be sure that there are rent-seekers out there, who see this disaster as an iron rice bowl, and who will cite the Precautionary Principle to justify doing as little as possible for the longest possible time, in order to keep themselves on the teat.
I’d advocate a two-phase cleanup. Go in with robots, and clean up the real hot spots, get the spent fuel rods out of there and into safe cooling ponds elsewhere. Once the site is safe against fires caused by decay heat, simply secure it and let it decay naturally for however long it takes until it’s safe to do a thorough cleanup. First phase would be intense and expensive; second phase would be quite cheap.
They should use robots. With Japan’s dying population no replacement mentality.There won’t be many humans left to do the work.
Many towns affected by the 2010 earthquake will have to relocate altogether and many industries were already on their way out before the earthquake hit.
Japan has been the recipient of two nuclear payloads and it certainly is aware of Chyornobyl. No one is drawing lessons from the past?
As if … the UN bureaucrats have a clue more than they have about any other topic.
The only thing they are interested in undermining nations that do not need them.
It would be a thing of beauty to see an exodus of productive nations from that hive of parasites.
It’s much more complicated than that. This is not a typical nuclear plant decommissioning. Because of the damaged condition of the reactor buildings and structures there is a much higher degree of ongoing maintenance and repairs required than would otherwise be the case. Simply managing the water buildup will be a major task. You can’t simply start tearing the plant apart, with robots or anything else, as much of the most important stuff is inaccessible for removal purposes until you’ve managed to clear out some building structures, and that takes time.
OMMAG, stop wasting our time with ranting about UN bureaucrats. This is the IAEA, and unlike the bozos in New York it’s an expert body which draws on experts on loan from organizations all over the world for these types of assignments.
“I would just remind any anti-nuclear zealots that might troll through here that to date not one single person has died in the Fukushima Daiichi incident.”
You don’t really get how cancer works do you? It’s great that nobody got immediately sick, but that doesn’t mean people are not being effected.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not necessarily anti-nuclear. I think we need nuclear power. But don’t kid yourself buddy. When one of these things blows, they blow bad.
You don’t get how cancer works either. Radiation is a very weak causation of cancer except at high levels where prompt effects (ie radiation burns) start to manifest. The maximum exposure from Fukushima was many orders of magnitude below that level.
In fact, it’s now becoming evident to the experts that Japan’s arbitrary doubling of the evacuation zone was entirely unnecessary. The resulting excessive evacuation resulted directly in th deaths of nearly 100 people that would have been entirely avoided had the evacuation zone remained unchanged. Radiation hysteria on the part of the government killed all of them. It’s exactly the kind of thing you expect to happen when decision makers invent stuff on the spot instead of relying on the scientifically established standards.
I would just remind any anti-nuclear zealots that might troll through here that to date not one single person has died in the Fukushima Daiichi incident. Not one person either locally or planet wide has even gotten sick from it. Nothing. Not a sausage. Zip. Nada.
Yeah well, ya gotta always bear in mind that these anti-nuke freaks know as much about nuclear physics as Al Gore knows about climate….nothing…zip.
The most glaring example was that ignorant Movie back in the day…”The China Syndrome”…describing a process that simply is impossible……Chernobyl proved that…as if it needed proving. In the case of Chernobyl the melted core formed a hot puddle on the concrete floor of the containment building….it is currently sitting in the parking lot under a big pile o’ gravel.
Most of the fools think a nuclear reactor can blow up like the “tzar bomba”…..
Care must be taken to limit prevent radioactive leakage but so far with the signal exception of Chernobyl there has never been a serious accident…..and Chernobyl was the result of massive politcal malfeasance/ineptitude. Even the primitive Norks haven’t had an accident.
Our media and government are sitting on the data that shows the full extent of global environmental damage from Fukushima.
http://www.naturalnews.com/Fukushima.html
Easy to spot the Pacific seafood these days at the super market it’s the stuff with the soft blue glow.
Saskatchewan is willing to sell Japan as much natural gas as we can pipeline to the B.C. coast and load onto L.N.G. tankers!
We’ll even throw in a few bushels of wild rice to sweeten the deal.
40 years? Meh. They came up with that number because that will provide lifelong careers for a bevy of statist rent-seekers, nothing more.
Second assistant undersecretary to the vice-president of the mop-handle decontamination committee, at 140 million yen per year, with bennies, and cost-of-living allowance? What’s not to like?
No that’s not it. Some parts of the plant will need to sit isolated where they are for some time to allow radiation levels to decay. It’s a standard consideration in site decommissioning; the longer you let it sit, the more easily it’s handled and the lower radioactivity it has. There’s an optimum point at which it can be dismantled, and 40 years is about right for a nuclear power plant of any kind.
Yep. That’s about the size of it.
Plus, the culture is such that it almost never rushes to do anything.
The article makes it pretty clear that they are talking about 40 years of active work; they go on about several sorts of “instability”. I have no problem with simply putting up a fence around it, monitor the perimeter, and let it sit until it cools off. And if there are crucial hot spots in the site that need to be dealt with now, deal with them.
But be sure that there are rent-seekers out there, who see this disaster as an iron rice bowl, and who will cite the Precautionary Principle to justify doing as little as possible for the longest possible time, in order to keep themselves on the teat.
I’d advocate a two-phase cleanup. Go in with robots, and clean up the real hot spots, get the spent fuel rods out of there and into safe cooling ponds elsewhere. Once the site is safe against fires caused by decay heat, simply secure it and let it decay naturally for however long it takes until it’s safe to do a thorough cleanup. First phase would be intense and expensive; second phase would be quite cheap.
They should use robots. With Japan’s dying population no replacement mentality.There won’t be many humans left to do the work.
Many towns affected by the 2010 earthquake will have to relocate altogether and many industries were already on their way out before the earthquake hit.
Japan has been the recipient of two nuclear payloads and it certainly is aware of Chyornobyl. No one is drawing lessons from the past?
As if … the UN bureaucrats have a clue more than they have about any other topic.
The only thing they are interested in undermining nations that do not need them.
It would be a thing of beauty to see an exodus of productive nations from that hive of parasites.
It’s much more complicated than that. This is not a typical nuclear plant decommissioning. Because of the damaged condition of the reactor buildings and structures there is a much higher degree of ongoing maintenance and repairs required than would otherwise be the case. Simply managing the water buildup will be a major task. You can’t simply start tearing the plant apart, with robots or anything else, as much of the most important stuff is inaccessible for removal purposes until you’ve managed to clear out some building structures, and that takes time.
OMMAG, stop wasting our time with ranting about UN bureaucrats. This is the IAEA, and unlike the bozos in New York it’s an expert body which draws on experts on loan from organizations all over the world for these types of assignments.
“I would just remind any anti-nuclear zealots that might troll through here that to date not one single person has died in the Fukushima Daiichi incident.”
You don’t really get how cancer works do you? It’s great that nobody got immediately sick, but that doesn’t mean people are not being effected.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not necessarily anti-nuclear. I think we need nuclear power. But don’t kid yourself buddy. When one of these things blows, they blow bad.
You don’t get how cancer works either. Radiation is a very weak causation of cancer except at high levels where prompt effects (ie radiation burns) start to manifest. The maximum exposure from Fukushima was many orders of magnitude below that level.
In fact, it’s now becoming evident to the experts that Japan’s arbitrary doubling of the evacuation zone was entirely unnecessary. The resulting excessive evacuation resulted directly in th deaths of nearly 100 people that would have been entirely avoided had the evacuation zone remained unchanged. Radiation hysteria on the part of the government killed all of them. It’s exactly the kind of thing you expect to happen when decision makers invent stuff on the spot instead of relying on the scientifically established standards.