34 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Stinking Sparky Cars”
Roit! Its just pinin’ for the fee-ords.
It has shed its mortal “electric” coil.
‘Ello Polly!
To borrow from another skit?
“Bring out your dead!”
2011 – 7,700; 2012 – 23,000
Seriously? How did they manage to sell so many seriously short-range, overpriced, coal fired cars? Is someone lying to us?
Wow – It has an 80hp gas engine. Wouldn’t it be better for the environment if they just lost the electrics.
I suspect the future of electric cars would be akin to electric golf carts rather than 2 tons pigs like the volt.
Years ago, I had a job where I ran a power jack for most of 8 hours. Plugged it in at coffee, lunch, and the time I was hiding in the washroom smoking and it carried 1,000 lb pallets all day.
They sold 23000 with most of that number being fleet cars being sold to the US government or to municipalities. A bit of BS going on there. Not that many people were stupid enough to buy an overpriced, under-performing POS.
Mexican credit card is a gas can and a siphoning hose, like to see one of these owners run out of power in the middle of the nite in the middle of no were and try siphoning a few amps:-)))
Ee’s not dead, ee’s RESTING!
‘e’s pining for the fijords!
They will be great cars to have for next years, “Cash for Clunkers”!
Scrap ’em.
But first park ’em down range and up the weight with some lead.
Why do you care what kind of car people choose to drive? I thought we were supposed to be the champions of freedom of choice and free will.
When the same governments that subsidize electric cars impose regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive, there is no “choose” involved.
Damn, that 25 mile range, and shocking sticker price just didn’t seem to be understood well.
The population needs re-education from El Presidente, leader of Government Motors.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
(I can’t help myself, favourtie MP lines)
I’m staying out of the car market until they make one that runs on oats and water.
SHOCKING I say JUST SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just two well placed probes, would cure what ails most electric car buyers.
From the picture caption: GM’s Mark Reuss, center, celebrating after the Cadillac ATS was named car of the year, promised improvements in the next-generation Volt.
That should be an easy promise to keep. From what I’ve read, I’d guess that my 1972 Chevrolet Vega (the car that I sold after three years, promising myself that I’d never buy another General Motors product – a promise that I’ve kept) would be an improvement over the Volt.
When the same governments that subsidize electric cars impose regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive, there is no “choose” involved.
Really? I had no idea the government was going to eliminate my vehicles. How are they going to do that?
north of 60
U sure do have talent at raising the STUPID flag
They had the factory down for weeks to add the
Malibu to the assembly line mix last summer.
Even then they had to use give away lease plans
to move the Volt tin pre-election.
First sign of a losing position is when one attacks the person instead of the ideas.
governments that subsidize electric cars
It’s the electric car subsidy that’s the problem. What was the US govt. thinking? GM is not an oil company, they can’t do that.
Not surprising, the Ø Regime is not very smart.
“First sign of a losing position is when one attacks the person instead of the ideas.”
Quite right. Let’s pretend there’s an exchange of ideas going on. Kate laid out the issue rather succinctly @5:47, in a manner adapted to the meanest intelligence. What do you need explained?
“The electric car is not dead.”
This reminds me EXACTLY of the memorable Nixon quote, “I am not a crook.” Of course, after that everybody thought of Nixon as a crook. I can only hope this quote from GM engenders a similar result.
OK, then can you be more specific about those “regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive” ? More important, other than limiting unsafe and inefficient vehicles, what preferences are specifically being eliminated?
I love this bit.
“Reuss noted that some governments have pulled back on incentives: Los Angeles eliminated free parking for electric cars. To make up for lost gasoline taxes, Washington state instituted a $100 registration fee for electric cars to help pay for road repairs.”
So avoiding fees for gasoline vehicles by buying an electric just means government putting up new fees for electric vehicles only. Reminds me of Charlie Brown trying to kick a football. Just keeps getting yanked away.
N60, you can start by understanding the proposed changes to CAFE regulations. By increasing the required average by another 10 mpg, the regulations are going to make many vehicles impossible under the manufacturers’ averaging requirements.
By increasing the required average by another 10 mpg, the regulations are going to make many vehicles impossible under the manufacturers’ averaging requirements.
Really? Be specific about which vehicles will be “impossible”.
How is that going to eliminate the car you are driving? Market forces will determine what’s offered. If enough people want a specific model it will be produced and enough of the others will be produced to make the averages. For example, previous increases in aggregate MPG did not eliminate Pick-ups, or Suburbans.
N60, you can start by understanding… cut the personal crap and stick to the subject.
Market forces and perhaps regulations might mean that ‘gas guzzlers’ are no longer offered in the line-up. That does not prevent you from going and buying a 70s GTO if that’s what your preference is.
Apparently eating food grown in pig shit does nothing for reading comprehension.
We don’t need no horseless carriages.
We don’t need no computers.
We don’t need no xray machines.
We don’t need no antibiotics.
We don’t need no wheel.
Building an affordable car that runs on electricity is a smart, smart long term strategy for keeping an economy chugging along. Or… you pretend that this isn’t the way the winds are a-blowin’ and get caught with you pants down when some other country says “lookee, come buy our $30k electric car!” and your entire customer base disappears.
Stick to stirring up the paranoid rabble Kate, and leave technological innovation to the experts.
John, maybe you should stay out of technology discussions. This one has been batted around on this site for years, and most of us are a lot more familiar with the technology and its problems, mostly unsolvable, than you are.
N60, I’ll use short words so you can follow along. The existing CAFE regulations basically did in the station wagon. The reason that mini-vans exist is because of a loophole – they are classed as trucks. To this point, automanufacturers have done about as much as they can in increasing efficiency by reducing drag. That’s pretty much finished. The only way to further increase efficiency is to start reducing weight. Without compromising structural integrity. Short of a materials breakthrough, that means cars get smaller. With another 10 mpg required, a lot smaller.
Roit! Its just pinin’ for the fee-ords.
It has shed its mortal “electric” coil.
‘Ello Polly!
To borrow from another skit?
“Bring out your dead!”
2011 – 7,700; 2012 – 23,000
Seriously? How did they manage to sell so many seriously short-range, overpriced, coal fired cars? Is someone lying to us?
Wow – It has an 80hp gas engine. Wouldn’t it be better for the environment if they just lost the electrics.
I suspect the future of electric cars would be akin to electric golf carts rather than 2 tons pigs like the volt.
Years ago, I had a job where I ran a power jack for most of 8 hours. Plugged it in at coffee, lunch, and the time I was hiding in the washroom smoking and it carried 1,000 lb pallets all day.
They sold 23000 with most of that number being fleet cars being sold to the US government or to municipalities. A bit of BS going on there. Not that many people were stupid enough to buy an overpriced, under-performing POS.
Mexican credit card is a gas can and a siphoning hose, like to see one of these owners run out of power in the middle of the nite in the middle of no were and try siphoning a few amps:-)))
Ee’s not dead, ee’s RESTING!
‘e’s pining for the fijords!
They will be great cars to have for next years, “Cash for Clunkers”!
Scrap ’em.
But first park ’em down range and up the weight with some lead.
Why do you care what kind of car people choose to drive? I thought we were supposed to be the champions of freedom of choice and free will.
When the same governments that subsidize electric cars impose regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive, there is no “choose” involved.
Damn, that 25 mile range, and shocking sticker price just didn’t seem to be understood well.
The population needs re-education from El Presidente, leader of Government Motors.
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
(I can’t help myself, favourtie MP lines)
I’m staying out of the car market until they make one that runs on oats and water.
SHOCKING I say JUST SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just two well placed probes, would cure what ails most electric car buyers.
From the picture caption: GM’s Mark Reuss, center, celebrating after the Cadillac ATS was named car of the year, promised improvements in the next-generation Volt.
That should be an easy promise to keep. From what I’ve read, I’d guess that my 1972 Chevrolet Vega (the car that I sold after three years, promising myself that I’d never buy another General Motors product – a promise that I’ve kept) would be an improvement over the Volt.
When the same governments that subsidize electric cars impose regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive, there is no “choose” involved.
Really? I had no idea the government was going to eliminate my vehicles. How are they going to do that?
north of 60
U sure do have talent at raising the STUPID flag
They had the factory down for weeks to add the
Malibu to the assembly line mix last summer.
Even then they had to use give away lease plans
to move the Volt tin pre-election.
First sign of a losing position is when one attacks the person instead of the ideas.
governments that subsidize electric cars
It’s the electric car subsidy that’s the problem. What was the US govt. thinking? GM is not an oil company, they can’t do that.
Not surprising, the Ø Regime is not very smart.
“First sign of a losing position is when one attacks the person instead of the ideas.”
Quite right. Let’s pretend there’s an exchange of ideas going on. Kate laid out the issue rather succinctly @5:47, in a manner adapted to the meanest intelligence. What do you need explained?
“The electric car is not dead.”
This reminds me EXACTLY of the memorable Nixon quote, “I am not a crook.” Of course, after that everybody thought of Nixon as a crook. I can only hope this quote from GM engenders a similar result.
OK, then can you be more specific about those “regulations designed to eliminate the vehicles many prefer to drive” ? More important, other than limiting unsafe and inefficient vehicles, what preferences are specifically being eliminated?
I love this bit.
“Reuss noted that some governments have pulled back on incentives: Los Angeles eliminated free parking for electric cars. To make up for lost gasoline taxes, Washington state instituted a $100 registration fee for electric cars to help pay for road repairs.”
So avoiding fees for gasoline vehicles by buying an electric just means government putting up new fees for electric vehicles only. Reminds me of Charlie Brown trying to kick a football. Just keeps getting yanked away.
N60, you can start by understanding the proposed changes to CAFE regulations. By increasing the required average by another 10 mpg, the regulations are going to make many vehicles impossible under the manufacturers’ averaging requirements.
By increasing the required average by another 10 mpg, the regulations are going to make many vehicles impossible under the manufacturers’ averaging requirements.
Really? Be specific about which vehicles will be “impossible”.
How is that going to eliminate the car you are driving? Market forces will determine what’s offered. If enough people want a specific model it will be produced and enough of the others will be produced to make the averages. For example, previous increases in aggregate MPG did not eliminate Pick-ups, or Suburbans.
N60, you can start by understanding… cut the personal crap and stick to the subject.
Market forces and perhaps regulations might mean that ‘gas guzzlers’ are no longer offered in the line-up. That does not prevent you from going and buying a 70s GTO if that’s what your preference is.
Apparently eating food grown in pig shit does nothing for reading comprehension.
We don’t need no horseless carriages.
We don’t need no computers.
We don’t need no xray machines.
We don’t need no antibiotics.
We don’t need no wheel.
Building an affordable car that runs on electricity is a smart, smart long term strategy for keeping an economy chugging along. Or… you pretend that this isn’t the way the winds are a-blowin’ and get caught with you pants down when some other country says “lookee, come buy our $30k electric car!” and your entire customer base disappears.
Stick to stirring up the paranoid rabble Kate, and leave technological innovation to the experts.
John, maybe you should stay out of technology discussions. This one has been batted around on this site for years, and most of us are a lot more familiar with the technology and its problems, mostly unsolvable, than you are.
N60, I’ll use short words so you can follow along. The existing CAFE regulations basically did in the station wagon. The reason that mini-vans exist is because of a loophole – they are classed as trucks. To this point, automanufacturers have done about as much as they can in increasing efficiency by reducing drag. That’s pretty much finished. The only way to further increase efficiency is to start reducing weight. Without compromising structural integrity. Short of a materials breakthrough, that means cars get smaller. With another 10 mpg required, a lot smaller.