Modeling error due to ignoring cloud effects may be 216 times larger than the alleged effect of doubling CO2 concentrations
Okay, so it’s an inexact science…
Modeling error due to ignoring cloud effects may be 216 times larger than the alleged effect of doubling CO2 concentrations
Okay, so it’s an inexact science…
If I were to make that error in a geological model, and try to take it to the stock market, I would have my professional credentials questioned and probably removed. If it could be shown that I did it deliberately, I would be looking at jail time.
So I find it refreshing that one of the biggest thorns in the side of warming modellers is a mining auditor.
You have to give them credit. They lie AND f***-up in the biggest possible ways.
Damn but I love computer models. Garbage in equals garbage out until I get the garbage result I’m looking for to keep the funding going. Gotta love it.
Well maybe it’s sorta like “second hand smoke”….
I stood upwind from my garden and lit up…..it didn’t do a thing to the Colorado Potato bugs….Oh well…..
Lies! Lies I say!! If it wasn’t a lie, I’m sure the CBC would have had “all day” specials on it and the Toronto Star would have had 3″ Headlines…… wouldn’t they?
“these very large errors can exceed 800 Watts per meter squared”
Gosh!
I guess those solar farms the politicians subsidized with money borrowed in our names to attenuate the effects of CO2 aren’t going to be producing the level of power output that has been touted then?
Golly!
They can’t predict the weather two weeks out but they’ve been trying to get us to accept their theories on global warming.
Still not buying.
um boss, that loss/profit estimate…um, well it was out a bit. Just times the loss by 216 and..what? what do you mean I’m fired?
“Okay, so it’s an inexact science…”
Au contraire,EBD. These scummy anti-humans knew exactly what they were doing. Just following the UN’s Agenda 21 to reduce the human virus on Mother Gaia by depriving developing nations of the basic power neede to advance,and by turning food into fuel.Oh yeah.And the added benefit of huge sums of monies for them,their pals,and their one world gubermint.
WUWT also has a great post on this.
Somebody tell Brad Wall.
The effect of doubling the CO2 is less than one-half of 1% of model errors!!! Frickin’ criminals!
Don’t try to tell me that the sun heats and cools the earth,
everyone knows that is bullshite.
Glowbull Warming, Climate Change,
is a true religion, eh, er, Science..
Somebody tell Brad Wall.
….and Peter Kent.
The persistence of error is remarkable. The problems with the treatment of clouds in climate models
was emphasised by [? name escapes] the former chief of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute something like 10 years ago.
Well, a 1% error in cloud cover is equivalent to a doubling of CO2 in theory.
Of course the “reality based” community has been saying “so what?” to this claim for years. That’s why I have all but given up climate debating.
Oh well, just more of that fallible reason that costs billions.
How’s reason is ‘all we have’ working for ya?
Well, the average is about 1400 W/m^2 peak, so clouds cutting that in less than half seems about right. Huge negative feedback mechanism that the climate models have as a slight positive feedback, if I’m not mistaken?
Chaotic system: too many inputs (literally billions) that may be significant. Modeling not possible, even in theory.
Great sink-hole for grant money, though.
So would that be a margin of error of 21,600% then in calculating the largest variable in the formula? Close enough for government work, I guess.
Will anyone ever be able to accurately predict how much solar radiation is being absorbed and reflected by clouds? The area of any one cloud is constantly changing and the thickness (opaqueness) as well since moisture is always either rising from the Earth or precipitation is always falling down. Now try to account for all the clouds in the atmosphere in one day.
Also airborne particulates ie volcanic ash from eruptions and effusions in such as Mt. St. Helens, Mt Pinitubo or unpronouncable places in Iceland (I’m too lazy to google today) varies from year to year.
But hey, let’s wreck the global economy and turn back the progress of mankind a few centuries based on this ‘research’.
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-110-12%20kyoto%20decision%20ENG.pdf
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[31] The motion passed by the House of Commons was not binding and acknowledged in its
content that the power to conclude or withdraw from this treaty still lay with the executive branch.
The motion only asked the government to ratify the Protocol and this vote could not oblige it to
ratify the Protocol nor bind it in any way (see the comments regarding parliamentary resolutions by
Henri Brun, Guy Tremblay, and Eugénie Brouillet, Droit constitutionnel, 5th ed, Cowansville:
Yvon Blais, 2008 at 36). It follows that the government did not have to consult the House of
Commons before withdrawing from this Protocol. As noted by Currie, Forcese, and Oosterveld, it is
up to Parliament to pass a law that would force the House of Commons to be consulted before a
treaty is ratified or withdrawn from, but that was never done (International Law: Doctrine, Practice,
and Theory, above, at 55-56).
[32] Regarding the need to consult the provinces, this Court agrees with the respondent that the
provinces would have been in a better position to submit this argument and that the applicant thus
cannot do this for them in this public interest case.
[33] Since the issue is in the public interest, raised significant questions of law, and given the
discretion conferred to the hearing judge under Rule 400 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106,
costs will not be awarded.
[34] Consequently, the application for judicial review is dismissed, without costs.Page: 15
JUDGMENT
THIS COURT ORDERS AND ADJUDGES that the application for judicial review of the
government’s decision to withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol is dismissed without costs.
“Simon Noël”
__________________________
Judge
Thus the Kyoto Protocol is officially a dead dodo treaty….
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
AGW is real, this is just another plot by Big Arithmetic(tm) to discredit the scientists who are trying to save the world.
Hyperbole. Read the paper.