32 Replies to “Those Moderate Muslims!”

  1. A member of the Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association is worried about the issue of integration! How many more hyphenations can he throw into that name. Another multi-cultural failure.

  3. Delighted to hear there is a “Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association”.
    Hope they’re really active and excited about all those things that the civilized world considers to be “civil liberties”…..and, I hope they’re pushing it on the International front too.
    Right…

  4. Hey Saheed, Ahmadinejad just called. He wants his title of “biggest and most dangerous nutjob on the planet” back.

  6. “Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association…. ain’t these the guys that protest when women are beaten by their husbands…. oh wait…

  7. My reaction to “Shaheed’s” rant is that he adroitly confirmed there is much merit to the majority Canadian opinion…
    Nuff said……

  8. Gosh could Arlene Bynon be any nicer to that jerk? Is she sleeping when she is doing her radio show, in a prone position, with a nice fluffy pillow? Did she take a muscle relaxant or something to cause that stifled response and questioning she gave him??

  9. Given the numbers of Canadians that think muslims are incapable of giving up their 12th century existence, WTF hasn’t PMSH made any moves to prohibit their entry into Canada? The only thing they seem to know how to do is to breed prolifically and burn cars when they get sufficiently numerous.

  10. yesterday in Republican history:
    Sep 13 1971
    After 1,300 rioting prisoners reject a list of proposed concessions because it lacks immunity from prosecution, New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller orders an attack to retake Attica prison. In all, 29 prisoners die and 85 are wounded; and 10 hostages are killed. For months thereafter, prisoners receive inhumane beatings from guards.

  11. Debate to Islamists, means threats.
    Than murder if they can get away with it.
    Its a cultural thing. Its a tribal reflex.
    Islam & Democracy are opposites.
    Its why I call Islamists colinists. Its thier way or the sword. In Canada its the CHRC with the MSM as lap dogs.

  12. Said, how’s the weather on the moon and how’s that “Invasion of the Planet Earth” project coming along?

  14. Hope so Jeff.
    This is Canada and not a Middle East Country.
    Let’s keep it that way.
    Why would any Canadian want to live anywhere except in the best country in the world – Canada. That’s why we are not moving to the Middle East in huge numbers or did I miss somthing in the news.

  15. What is it with these journos that they can’t pronounce the word ‘irreconcilable’?
    It was like watching that old ‘Happy Days’ episode where the Fonz couldn’t pronounce the word ‘sorry’.
    That said, Saheed claims there are 2 billion Muslims(going on 4 billion Muslims) and that Islam cannot be defeated nor broken.
    I disagree.
    There are probably 1.5 billion Chinese who disagree too.
    (that’ll be the day when the Chinese are told by the Muslims to give up eating pork)

  16. It’s not just changes to immigration that need to be addressed. It is the cultural framework that would even think of tolerating a seventh century death cult or would allow Muslim apologists to continue playing the victim card. The kind of bigotry, xenophobia and misogyny would not be tolerated (perhaps as much) if it came from anyone else. It’s not a faux pas to point out that Jews are not the enemy and women should not be abused. For any so-called right-thinking Canadian to ignore these obvious abuses of human rights is a moral failure on their part. Let us not forget about secularised Muslims who think that such seventh century stuff IS nonsense but cannot say so because the native-born Canadians will never stand up beside them.

  17. ” but cannot say so because the native-born Canadians will never stand up beside them.”
    I call BS on the last line,and only that one.
    It may be a chiken/egg scenario,but the ‘moderate muslims’ must make the first move.
    Tarek Fatah speaks out and is supported by many Canadians,and is threatened by many muslims.If more speak out,their support should increase,but if they remain silent then they tacitly support the abuse.

  18. Let us not forget about secularised Muslims who think that such seventh century stuff IS nonsense but cannot say so because the native-born Canadians will never stand up beside them.
    ~Osumashi Kinyobe
    There is no such thing as a secularised Muslim.
    They are either Muslim or they aren’t.
    I would stand beside an ex-Muslim, but a Muslim who could one day rededicate his life to Islam with a reawakened zeal and emulate his prophet Muhammad who was the perfect Muslim man?
    Not a chance.

  21. Being a visible minority and having been an immigrant myself, I am the first to say to folks from other parts of the world who comment how crappy Canada is because of “fill in the blank”, that perhaps they should go back to where they came from and ponder how much better their life is wherever it is they are compared to the one they had in Canada.
    Having said that, I feel that you folks (or perhaps your parents and grandparents) who insisted on voting for parties that pushed the progressive, multi-cultural vision for Canada–sold me out. I came to Canada as a kid and my parents insisted we become Canadians–so much so, that I wear the uniform of the CF and have deployed on Canada’s behalf on more than one occassion. My sisters and I became Canadian…we have never considered ourselves hyphenated-Canadians.
    However, this is not the Canada I grew up in. We Canadians must stop being such pansies, and stand up for our culture and laws that are based on Judeo-Christian foundations. We need to be able to express openly our distate of cultures and religions that exhibit anti-democratic and anti-western values. We need to be able to say to people who decide to live here that THEY must conform to our culture and laws. Furthermore, while they (not having achieved citizenship status) are guests in OUR country we reserve the right to deport them prior to becoming citizens (we should also make it a caveat that any Canadian lawyer who wants to defend immigrant/refugee deportation must do so out of pocket (the Gov’t of Canada should not pick up lawyer fees for immigrants/refugees) and from the deportee’s country of origin).
    My generation of Canadians were handed (I was able to vote in 1985) a country that had way more problems than the previous generation had. We need to fix the existential threat that our parents and grandparents put us in during their quest for the “perfect” society.

  22. Being a visible minority and having been an immigrant myself, I am the first to say to folks from other parts of the world who comment how crappy Canada is because of “fill in the blank”, that perhaps they should go back to where they came from and ponder how much better their life is wherever it is they are compared to the one they had in Canada.
    Having said that, I feel that you folks (or perhaps your parents and grandparents) who insisted on voting for parties that pushed the progressive, multi-cultural vision for Canada–sold me out. I came to Canada as a kid and my parents insisted we become Canadians–so much so, that I wear the uniform of the CF and have deployed on Canada’s behalf on more than one occassion. My sisters and I became Canadian…we have never considered ourselves hyphenated-Canadians.
    However, this is not the Canada I grew up in. We Canadians must stop being such pansies, and stand up for our culture and laws that are based on Judeo-Christian foundations. We need to be able to express openly our distate of cultures and religions that exhibit anti-democratic and anti-western values. We need to be able to say to people who decide to live here that THEY must conform to our culture and laws. Furthermore, while they (not having achieved citizenship status) are guests in OUR country we reserve the right to deport them prior to becoming citizens (we should also make it a caveat that any Canadian lawyer who wants to defend immigrant/refugee deportation must do so out of pocket (the Gov’t of Canada should not pick up lawyer fees for immigrants/refugees) and from the deportee’s country of origin).
    My generation of Canadians were handed (I was able to vote in 1985) a country that had way more problems than the previous generation had. We need to fix the existential threat that our parents and grandparents put us in during their quest for the “perfect” society.

  23. As I have stated before…
    I genuinely sympathize with the folks in Quebec who resolutely defend their language and culture….we didn’t…..

  24. The guy on the radio should learn English if he wants to be the official voice of the Islamists arseholes.

  25. Favill @9:13, a tip of the hat to you and a HUGE thankyou for your service. I find it odd and troubling that by and large, it’s immigrants that embrace the Canadian way of life.
    I worked with a young fellow from east Germany that was a staunch ally regarding multi-culti. He was vehemently opposed to it while the young girl of the same age and born here supported it. He shot her down rather quickly. I’ve stated before that perhaps we native Canadians are far too removed from any direct conflict to truly appreciate what we have as we pi$$ it all away. Again, Favill, thankyou.

  26. Well, no s— Sherlock.
    Tangentially, here’s what I got back from the VPL on the upcoming Hitlerjugend meeting on their premises; a form letter. I wrote back asking if I might rent their rooms to discuss the salutary effects of child p0rn, since they’re so keen to make sure all points of view are represented.
    “Dear Michael,
    My staff forwarded your original email and follow-up emails to me for review and response.
    My apologies for not getting back to you yesterday – I wanted to be able to take the time to write you a thoughtful and thorough response because the issue you raise is important to public libraries and society in general as it speaks to the role of the public library in a community and how our spaces may be used by community groups and members.
    The public library plays a critical role in Canada in that we provide the intellectual space for community to explore new ideas, hear different perspectives, and learn about the world around us. It is an appropriate place for public debate on the important issues of our times as we are citizen owned and run venues dedicated to learning, information sharing, and knowledge expansion. Public libraries do not take positions on political, economic, religious, or social issues – rather we provide the access to a broad range of opinion and information and the space for people to learn and consider ideas, either individually or in groups.
    That said, even as we work to create places where people can freely pursue and exchange information and knowledge as per the fundamental rights enshrined in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we need to ensure that libraries are doing so lawfully. At VPL, our litmus tests for this assessment are the Criminal Code of Canada and the Human Rights Act of BC. Content that contravenes either the Code or the Act is not permitted in VPL.
    The September 18th event you mention is a room rental. As a public space, the library makes its rooms available to community members and groups for a rental fee. Our rental agreement for room bookings indicates that the renter and/or the program presenter will agree to not contravene the Criminal Code of Canada and the Human Rights Act of British Columbia during the course of their rental/program. All renters sign this agreement and based on both their agreement to abide by our rules and regulations and our review of the description of their event, we have no reason to assume the organizers of this session will not meet the obligations set out in the rental agreement.
    That said, I completely understand why this topic would be upsetting to many people. But the fact that it is controversial does not mean that the discussion is unlawful or should not happen. It is difficult for many people when they hear that a public library is holding books, is hosting a program, or, as in this case, is renting a room to a group that/who discusses ideas that so directly oppose their own world view or that they see as fundamentally wrong. But even as libraries may be criticised for doing so, we must stay true to the role that public libraries across Canada – including your own library in Coquitlam and the Vancouver Public Library – play in community: to provide access to the wide world of ideas, knowledge, and culture – even if the content is considered unconventional, unpopular, or unacceptable by some – and to provide space for community to individually contemplate ideas or to gather to discuss ideas.
    If the situation were reversed and a session you were holding at the library was experiencing such controversy and criticism, we would stand by your rental as well, subject to the same room use regulations regarding content not contravening the Human Rights Act of BC and the Criminal Code of Canada.
    Thank you again for your emails and for raising your concerns. While you may not agree with our decision, I hope the information I have provided helps you understand the rationale for why the VPL must allow this rental to continue.
    Respectfully,
    Sandra”

  27. @favill – well, you rock and you have an absolutely oustanding attitude. My Dad was Navy at the age of 17, then PPCLI. I just got back from Calgary a few weeks back, and some young reservists were at my baggage carousel having just returned from exercises in Manitoba. I made damn sure they knew I thought THEY rock, too.

  28. Michael H Anderson
    Would “Sandra” allow a Christian meeting in a rental room at a Public Library?

  29. Revnant Dream, I sent a follow-up asking for the use of facilities to explain the benefits of child pornography. That is the wall everyone who claims they support the right of Nazis to meet and spread propaganda has to run up against if they’re dealing with me. I try to help them to leave the comfy shell of their biases and think for a change.
    I don’t expect a reply; as I said to a friend, functionaries like her will never leave the little office fiefdom inside their skulls to understand A REAL HUMAN BEING IS SAYING SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO THEM.

  30. WallyJ, I see your point but ask yourself this: if you were a Muslim, would you speak out publicly against what you saw/heard in a mosque in this country? I suspect not because the populace is too cowardly/daft to speak out against certain things. Where could that person go where he felt safe to speak his mind? Why would an immigrant want to conform to the standards he saw in Canada today? I agree with Mark Steyn on this. There really is no impetus for an immigrant to acclimatise, either.
    Oz, I see your point, as well, but I do know people who aren’t insane and wish to kill others. Just saying.

  31. Oz, I see your point, as well, but I do know people who aren’t insane and wish to kill others. Just saying.
    ~Osumashi Kinyobe
    Everyone who personally knew Ted Bundy thought he was a swell guy who was going places.
    Did you ever notice that when a tragic killing happens all the neighbors say what a swell guy they thought the killer was?
    Really, if the deadly killers walked around covered with blood, veins sticking in their teeth, and came across like 14 foot tall fire breathing toads they wouldn’t have many victims would they?

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