Get our pilots out of there.
It gets better!
…that’s why building this international coalition has been so important because it means that the United States is not bearing all the cost. It means that we have confidence that we are not going in alone, and it is our military that is being volunteered by others to carry out missions that are important not only to us, but are important internationally.
I agree, get our lads out of there. We are only helping the Muslim Brotherhood and there is no need for that.
What ostensibly started as a UN supported “no-fly zone” mission has morphed into NATO becoming the “rebels” air force doing tactical air strike missions against the Libyan Defence Forces all because of failed French foreign policy.
Now Obama is arming the “rebels” with guns and munitions.
Just imagine Russia and China doing the same thing to further their own interests and we can say what in protest?
I agree. We should have never gone in in the first place. Bin Ladin must be laughing his head off at the fact that his “enemies” are helping his “rebels”. What a joke!
Oh I dunno … if it weren’t for Obama our pilots would never get a chance to bomb anything … and isn’t that what they train for? Or is the RCAF just a trainer depot for Air Canada.
Next … Watching Muslims killing Muslims in Libya is like watching Obama being beaten half to death by the Black Panthers.
Okay … Okay … I agree … get our people out of the Muslim Kalifate transitional war. Wait until they are united and coming here.
Just kidding, let’s just get out of the global government coalition force in Libya cause … well, we have enough going for us in Afghanistan.
Who knows our next mission may be helping put down right wing rebels AKA the Tea Party Forces in the USA later this year when the US economy finally collapses.
Good morning.
I don’t like the Libyan mission mandate.
What happens when a million Chinese in some random city decide they’ve had enough of their current system and decide to do something about it? The government will run half the army down to, forcilby no doubt, squash the rebellion. And what, pray tell, would we do about that?
That “there” is Libya?
O’Clinton was beaten to Libya by Liberal Count Ignatieff’s Ad$Scam MartinJr in 2004.
Da proof*? Da contacts* Give it a shake, sheikh.
>>> “Clinton steps up contacts with Libyan opposition
AFP”
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*Da shake sheikh:
“Gaddafi no terrorist to Paul Martin ***
Dec 20, 2004 … Gaddafi no terrorist to Paul Martin, scandal-plagued Paul Martin Liberal Government, Muammar Gaddafi, Libya, Great Man-Made River Project, …”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/cover122004.htm
http://bcblue.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/martin-moammar-qaddafi.jpg
Phil, c’mon! We’ll send a strongly worded (well, hopefully not offensive) note deploring their actions!
Please get our military out of this Obama side show NOW!
If the terrorists are allowed to have US supplied weapons and ammunition, there should have been no reason for the State Dept to deny my application to export DP-28, whose receiver was specifically manufactured by Wise Light Arms to fire in semi-auto mode only. They denied it on the basis of it ‘still being a machine gun intended to kill troops in large numbers’. And the conservatives expect me to ‘support the troops’ after that?
White-house finances aren’t at such a critical point that ‘bama and Gates have to share speech-writers….pity. I’m betting that things will improve.
Simple explanation:
-Robert Gates serves America so Libya is of some “National interest”
-Barry Soetoro serves the world elites (Globalists) so Libya is of “International interest”
As a bonus, the muslim brotherhood is being helped too…the end game being the Caliphate. So Barry figured it was really worth taking the time to train on a new way to read the teleprompter: Actually memorize some of the speech so he could actually look at the camera right in front of him every few seconds between left and right side teleprompter…Oh Barry your speech looked so much more authentic and from the heart last night. *Vomit*
The reason why they want a Canadian General to run the Libyan dog & pony show for NATO?
Canadian Generals are English/French bilingual and the Canadian General acts as a liason between the French intentions and the American execution of those intentions.
Canada: Get out of the UN and out of NATO.
Liberal Count Ignatieff’s I-O’Harvard buddy: O’narcissist*.
“Bragging and false autobiography – The narcissist brags incessantly. His speech is peppered with “I”, “my”, “myself”, and “mine”.”
I’O:
“I ordered warships into the Mediterranean. … I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. … I said that America’s role would be limited; that we would not put ground troops into Libya … I am convinced that a failure to act in Libya would have carried a far greater price for America. … As Commander-in-Chief, I have no greater responsibility than keeping this country safe. …”
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/03/28/an-historic-resolution/#comments
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“*Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?”
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections
I’m conflicted. On the one hand, I’ve hated GaDaffy and his murderers for years, on the other hand, the Socialist Worker asks “How can we aid Libya’s freedom movement?”. Perhaps a good compromise might be to amend the rules of engagement to authorize “any asshole with a weapon dies”. At the end of the day, I support the mission in Libya because our guys don’t get enough live fire exercises anyway. Seriously, where do you think those guys would rather be sleeping tonight, Cold Lake, or a hotel in the Mediterranean?
I fail to see what national interest exists for Canada to participate in this action. Canada did more than its share in Afganistan. For once let the Euros take responsibility for securing their oil supply. Canada IS NOT a world power and this is a regional issue.
Perhaps the CPC sees this as a justification for the F-35s. Heaven forbid that a Canadian government step up and make a case for enhanced military. Especially ironic when the lefties in this country who hate the USA always rely on USA action to defend Canadian interests.
Canada has a national interest in the Artic which is not always on the same page as the USA and most definitely not in Russia’s. No matter what the value of opinion from ‘the world court’ historically nation’s must be able to defend their actions with military force. I defend Canada’s need for air and sea power in the Artic and possibly even ground forces. I do not support Canadian involvement in Libya!
I am wondering if Obama is playing his hand exactly as he needs to. Cheers;
425 Sqn is based in CFB Bagotville, but I’d take a hotel in Sicily over any base in Canada in winter. They even get to use LGBs instead of concrete filled dumb bombs.
“At the end of the day, I support the mission in Libya because our guys don’t get enough live fire exercises anyway.”
Do you realize that there are American special forces(and maybe even our JTF2 because our guys can speak English/French) on the ground in Libya training these “rebels”(many of whom speak French and were fighting our guys in Afghanistan) to fight the Libyan Defence Forces and that training is going to help our enemies in Afghanistan?
Why is Obama making me root for Ghadaffy?
British Prime Minister David Cameron stressed in Britain’s House of Commons that through airstrikes, coalition forces helped avert what could have been “a bloody massacre in Benghazi.”
Funny thing about “averting” stuff.
Since they’ve been averted, you never really get to know if they would have ever happened at all, until maybe much later after the averting part is over, and then maybe never.
Kinda/sorta like CAGW.
(yeah, I know there isn’t any Global Warming, but Hey!, the same MSM/UN that was telling us about the impending Libyan massacres/H1N1 Global Pandemic says there is)
Three cheers for Kate, a new first: 4 links in a 6 word sentence ~ Impressive!
As a complete aside, I couldn’t help but notice the striking resemblance between Susan Rice and Condoleezza Rice. They’re not related but both are very striking, attractive Black women.
One big difference between them though is that in the minds of many on the Left, C. Rice does not and cannot represent an example of an accomplished Black woman. She was apparently a sellout who gave up her mind & soul to “the Man” – of the Caucasian persuasion of course.
I deeply admire what both S. Rice and C. Rice have achieved thus far in their lives and wish them both the very best success in the future!
“You, America! You’re volunteering again. Draw rations and ammo.”
Obama admin ponders arming al-Qaeda in Libya.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/29/nato-commander-hey-lets-take-a-closer-look-at-the-rebels/
I just saw a report on FoxNews that apparently members of al-Qaeda in Libya have managed to get their hands on some of Gaddafi’s surface to air missiles capable of taking down any airccraft including passenger jets. This exercise just get better as the days go on.
Another report immediately after also said that most of the suicide bombers in Iraq come from a town between Benghazi and the Egyptian border. I do not remember the name.
Like some of us mentioned when this Libyan intervention started, this is a lose lose for the West.
There had better be some coherent strategy developed to counter the hot Islamic war against the West. Never mind the demographic war being lost.
Assassinate Qadaffi and then bugger off.
The only reason we should be there is to get payback for Lockerbie. After that, mission accomplished.
Your choices are:
1) Ugly.
2) Bad.
3) Damnably disgusting.
Yes, I suppose we should have waited for another “Shake Hands with the Devil” report on how we can pile them higher and deeper.
Given that Gaddafi has some experience in this area:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Shady-dealings-helped-Gaddafi-build-fortune/articleshow/7784398.cms
WASHINGTON: In 2009, top aides to Muammar Gaddafi called together 15 executives from global energy companies operating in Libya’s oil fields and issued an extraordinary demand: Shell out the money for his country’s $1.5 billion bill for its role in the downing of Pan Am Flight 103 and other terrorist attacks.
If the companies did not comply, the Libyan officials warned, there would be “serious consequences” for their oil leases, according to a state department summary. Many of those businesses balked, saying that covering Libya’s legal settlement with victims’ families for acts of terrorism was unthinkable . But some companies , including several based in the US, appeared willing to give in to Libya’s coercion and make what amounted to payoffs to keep doing business.
The episode and others like it, the officials said, reflect a Libyan culture rife with corruption , kickbacks, strong-arm tactics and political patronage since the US reopened trade with Gaddafi’s government in 2004. As US and international oil companies, telecommunications firms and contractors moved into the Libyan market, they discovered that Gaddafi or his loyalists often sought to extract millions of dollars in “signing bonuses” and “consultancy contracts” — or insisted that the leader’s sons get a piece of the action through shotgun partnerships.
” Libya is a kleptocracy in which the regime — either the Gaddafi family itself or its close political allies — has a direct stake in anything worth buying, selling or owning,” a classified state department cable said in 2009.
The wealth that Gaddafi’s family and his government accumulated with the help of international corporations in the years since the lifting of economic sanctions by the West helped fortify his hold on his country. While the outcome of the military intervention under way by the US and allied countries is uncertain, Gaddafi’s resources — including a stash of tens of billions of dollars in cash that US officials believe he is using to pay soldiers , mercenaries and supporters — may help him avert, or at least delay, his removal from power.
The government not only exploited MNCs, but willing governments as well. Libya’s banks collected lucrative fees by helping Iran launder huge sums of money in recent years in violation of international sanctions on Tehran, according to another cable from Tripoli obtained by WikiLeaks. In 2009, the cable said, US diplomats warned Libyan officials that its dealings with Iran were jeopardizing Libya’s enhanced world standing for the sake of “potential short-term business gains.”
http://newsrwanda-nkunda.blogspot.com/2011/03/on-libya-paul-kagame-lacks-moral_27.html
On Libya Paul Kagame lacks the moral authority
There are many reasons why foreign intervention is necessary in Libya. For the past four decades, Moammar Kaddafi has run the desert nation like one big private prison. His shameless promiscuity for power has destroyed all forms of civil society and has left behind an orphaned nation. In Libya today, there are no independent journalists and basically, media outside the confines of state control is impermissible. Similarly, political parties are entirely in existent. The fact that Kaddafi can choose to unleash nihilistic violence at his pleasure and that he fears not to kill millions if he deems it necessary to maintain his power means that the world cannot afford to look the other way.
Among the advocates of foreign intervention emerged an unlikely voice, Paul Kagame. In his essay titled “Rwandans know why Gaddafi must be stopped”, he expresses his support for the implementation of a “No Fly Zone” in Libya. He writes, “My country is still haunted by memories of the international community looking away No country knows better than my own the costs of the international community failing to intervene to prevent a state killing its own people.” Kagame is right to point out that Africans in general and specifically Rwandans, have suffered extreme pain with no help from the international community. But that is where his claim to truth ends. Kagame is too complicit in perpetuating the pain and misery of Africans that he lacks the moral authority to judge Gaddafi—his comrade in crime.
In fact, the similarities between Kaddafi and Kagame are unquestionably striking. After being exposed by various United Nation reports which have for years accused him of playing a leading role in destabilizing the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC); along with his failure to promote human rights in his country, his essay is nothing more than a mockery of history. Could he be taking us for fools lacking in memory?
Who can forget that the war in the DRC, in which his forces played a macabre role, has resulted in the deaths of more than five million people. UN reports accuse Kagame of Killing tens of thousands of his own people who had sought there. His rebel force is blamed for exterminating Rwandans in the thousands during the 1994 genocide. Although time may eventually prove us wrong, at this moment, it is doubtful that Kaddafi has come close to killing that many people.
Like Kaddafi, Kagame allows no freedom of press. Both are listed by Reporters without Borders as “Predators of Press.” Their 2010 Press Index ranks Rwanda tenth from the bottom. Libya fairs only slightly better. On Libya, the report notes that, “His [Kaddafi’s] personality cult is visible everywhere in the streets and in the official media. The story is not very different in Rwanda where according to the report, “[President Kagame] refers to journalists as “mercenaries” and “bums”. Less than a month ago, two female reporters were handed heavy sentences for crimes ranging from insulting the president to opposing government policies. Many, the author included, believe that the judiciary in Rwanda is just another cruel weapon at the oppressor’s disposal. In short, both “leaders” have effectively undermined free thought and do not hesitate to employ state powers in order to curtail press freedom.
Kagame and Kaddafi share a common history of international terrorism and meddling into the affairs of foreign states. Kagame’s adventure into the Congo, his support for fellow terrorists such as Laurent Nkunda, Bosco Ntaganda and the Hema militias are painfully well established. Similarly, Gaddafi has unreservedly supported terrorists in virtually every continent. He has interference in the internal affairs of foreign states is so acute that we are only beginning to comprehend its destabilizing legacy. We know for a fact that he supported the Ugandan tyrant, Iddi Amin as well as his successor and now president for life, Yoweri Museveni.
In Rwanda under the Kagame’s regime, the civil society has been severely restricted. Prominent opposition leaders charged with thought crimes are rotting in jail. There seems to be zero prospect for their freedom!
One of them, Victoria Ingabire, also a mother of three has been in solitary confinement since March last year. Visits to her cell are furiously restricted. Amid fears of torture, it is doubtful that she will ever be released.
Libya, well until the rebels decided enough was enough, operated much like a Soviet Gulag. Political prisoners were often assassinated or even executed without trial. Perhaps Rwanda is not as bad, but there is reason to worry for the future. Consider the murder of the green party vice president prior to last year’s presidential elections. Besides, haven’t we traveled this road before?
It is impossible to exhaust all the unsettling similarities between these two sinister dictators. Kagame’s rebuke of Kaddafi needs not to be taken any more seriously than Kaddafi’s rebuke of Al Qaeda. Yes, Kagame is right that Kaddafi’s terrorism should not be tolerated. Kaddafi is also right that Al Qaeda needs to be defeated. However, both men are merely seeking to divert attention from their own failures and to cover up the fundamental flaws in their respective forms of governance.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I don’t pretend to know why Obama is doing this, but those Iranian “rebels” from a while back looked a lot better to me than these Libyans do – which is not to say that it wouln’t be nice if Gadaffi were vaporized, that’s a given.
ct, I agree with you entirely. We have NO national interest in this intervention in a Libyan civil war. NATO intervened in the war on a false pretext. It was supposed to be a no fly zone to protect civilians from air bombardment. Instead it has turned into regime change. On the one side, Gadhafi and his thugs; on the other, a collection of Al Quaeda stooges. If the Euros want to intervene, they can pay the freight.
Obama is a congenital liar. He would lie no matter what.
We all have seen it.
The second our Jets took off we made the mistake of joining the wrong side. Let the Kaffur take the casualties, for people who blew up 3000 people in their own homeland. This is how far Obama has sunk America.
Although I wouldn’t want to be in Harpers shoes dealing with this megalomaniac. It would be like living with Hannibal Rector or Dexter.
Walking on egg shells with a guy with nukes & attitude born of ignorance.
JMO
Good grief, Barry O’s foriegn policy lacks any reasoning.
He was against invading Iraq and Afghanistan, completely ignores Iran, Pakistan, Tunisia, Yemen, Syria and Saudia Arabia, but bombs Libya without a Plan, Exit Strategy or Time Table.
And in the meantime, 22,700 have died in the last three years of Mexico’s Drug Wars, and not a peep out of Barry, Janet or Eric.
As Sarah Palin would say, WTF ?
,
I don’t pretend to know why Obama is doing this.
– Black Mamba
I’ll take a stab at that. Samantha Powers, the former reporter, turned “anti-genocide expert”, wrote a book when King Hussein was a Illinois Senator. They’re now good friends and she’s a foreign policy advisor.
R2P = Responsbility to Protect. Soros is deeply involved in R2P (now there’s a safe assertion, what?).
The long term project is to de-legitimize conventional state sovereignty — to get to a point where States must obey a number of centrally-dictated responsbilities or face the consequences from the UN.
Libya appears to be the first example of R2P in action.
The question is: will this bogus R2P be invoked to put a large number of boots on the ground in Israel to protect the poor, helpless, oppressed “Palestinian” “People” when Israel mans up and decides to destroy Hamas and the PLO. In fact Powers is on record advocating a massive intervention there. Powers suffers from massive moral inversion syndrome.
They won’t do R2P anywhere where it’s really hard or dangerous and clearly not where Islamists are busy doing genocide like in Sudan.
Me No Dhimmi
Is no dummy as well.
This whole explosion in the ME was planned a long time ago. Iran’s proclaiming the near coming of the Mahdi.
Get rid of the wafflers that don’t care about a Final Solution to Israel. replace them with Pro-war Jihadists from the Muslim Brotherhood. Than Islamists will have the field clear for an all out attack.
There already by terror & missile. Preparing the bed to plant the seeds of complete War against Israel.
JMO
PET Cem Report.
Our Mole says, Bob and PaulJr, are being sent to UNO where they will plead their case on behalf of Liberal Count Ignatieff with UNaBomber Mao Stlong & Power Corp adviser.
Cancel the Bogus F-35s, BR&MJr say (it’s in Count’s platform).
Additionally, they are reported to be fundamentally incensed at this report:
“Bob Rae blasts Harper ‘jihadis'”.
(BLY)
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“CF-18s bomb Libyan ammo dump for second time as NATO unleashes heavy bombardment”
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/cf-18s-bomb-libyan-ammo-dump-for-second-day-as-nato-unleashes-heavy-bombardment-118873529.html
To paraphrase Mr Rogers:
“Okay boys and girls, can you say clusterf*ck? Shur..”
While I am all in favor of the rebels (who have no demonstrated substantial connection to AQ yet), getting involved in this was a catastrophic error for America and Canada to a lesser degree. At this point, America can’t let Kaddafi live; it’s too late. Kill him and his sons and GTFO.