Tommy Douglas …

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… not dead enough:

In an urgent bid to plug a hole in its budget, Dalhousie University’s medical school will sell 10 vacant first-year seats to students from Saudi Arabia for $75,000 annually.

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  2. This is obviously highly unethical, forcing the foreigners to foot the bill for everyone else, and receive the same in return.

  3. Not only that, it allows foreigners to buy their way into medical school, which is an avenue that is forbidden to citizens. Do Canadians have access to the 75 grand ticket to med school?

  5. “The 10 students are expected to return to Saudi Arabia for their residencies.”
    Why would they? The Saudi students will be Canadian medical school graduates and would be eligible for the first round match for residency spots.
    Canadian citizens who graduate from foreign medical schools have to wait for the second round to apply for the leftover residency spots.
    And scf is correct to ask about Canadians who might want those spots. Why not just offer them to Canadians?

  6. Wait until the muslimas hear they have to bare their forearms in order to wash their hands.
    Oh, no, wait. Saudi Arabia. Never mind.

  8. “……..10 vacant first-year seats…..”
    It’s not like some poor student is getting bumped….or is it?

  9. Hey I think its great. I have trained many Saudi doctors and the culture shock is terrible for them. They have to learn to take orders from females, put up with women running around in tank tops and OMG! driving their own cars. What a wonderful way to subvert their society while making them pay for it at the same time. Besides, that’s our oil money they are paying with so why not take some back?

  10. I have no problem with this, but I suspect the fee is to low.
    Does the university account for all the tax payer money that goes into the infrastructure and support services associated with these 10 seats?
    But why not make these seats open to anyone who can pay the bill and make the grade? IF there are 100 seats, 90 of which are funded by the tax-payer, take the top 90 Canadian applicants, then offer the hundreds who didn’t make the cut the chance to buy their way in, if there are no takers offer them up to foreign interests.
    It doesn’t seem fair to the 91st Canadian on the list who has the cash to be ‘bumped’ because his money isn’t good enough.

  11. If Dalhousie is going to do this, they should require that equal numbers of men and women are admitted from Saudi.
    Saudi Arabia only sends men for residency training.

  12. Wait until they see Spring Garden Road for the first time on a warm summer day……

  13. We have a shortage of doctors here, particularly, General Practitioners. This is simply empire building by the university not unlike the Coca-cola contracts many have signed. Public
    good is a secondary focus.
    It has nothing to do with Tommy Douglas, find a relevant header.

  15. Does the lack of doctors willing to practice in remote rural communities have anything to do with Tommy?
    I think Dalhousie is going to realize at some point that the more money they’re given, the more they’ll spend. Non an iota different from any other government entity.
    If the students were paying a million a year, it still wouldn’t be enough. They’d spend it on “quality” and wonder why nobody was practicing where they wanted them to still.
    Recruiting from small towns may be the answer to small towns not having doctors. And it’s something that communities could ask their elected officials while pointing at the saudis. Perhaps the MSM could report on the politicians responses.
    … and what do you suppose would happen if private companies offered employment to some people based on their nationality? oh that’s illegal? … nevermind.

  16. They make fists full of money from foreign students and the Canadian taxpayer get’s to subsidize the university. Sickening isn’t it?

  17. >They have to learn to take orders from females, put up with women running around in tank tops and OMG!
    I’ve been living among Saudis for a couple of years. Like any group they’re a mixed bag. But I must confess that given the choice between having dinner with a group of Saudis or a group of feminists, I’m gonna choose the Saudis 9 times out of 10.

  18. ferfcuksake. enough with the ‘not dead enough’ eh?
    the choice is spectacular leading edge medical services for SOME people, or waiting lines and a very effective triage for EVERYONE.
    m’kay?
    curious how these balewailing right wingers STILL avail themselves of the much hated ‘Tommy Douglas’ UNIVERSAL health care.

  19. Great caption Cjunk! Very fitting.
    Canada is near the end of the pack among the western nations because of our system and no doubt the Tommy Douglas supporters will still sing his praises even when we reach third world status.

  21. “Wait until they see Spring Garden Road for the first time on a warm summer day……”
    Hell, I’m waiting for spring on Spring Garden or anywhere up near Dal for that matter;-)
    Canada is still suffering from the last batch of med school cutbacks thanks to Crouton creative government spending and now, here we go again. Where is the initiative to offer $75k per year in exchange for a year of practice in Okefenokee, Alberta?
    Here in Nova Scotia the Dipper government is reneging on promises so fast that they make Mr Hope&change look good.

  22. Back in the olden 80% the cost of one year of med school was about 160,000 a year. Of course the student never paid that. They got to work for less than the minimum wage for a few years though. The entertainment was free though.

  23. beagle: We don’t have a choice but to “avail” ourselves of the public health care system. We can’t choose to go outside of the public system unless we go out of the country.

  24. Funny how this works. They never leave after. Who pays for the tuitions. Yup, Saudi or the Muslim Brotherhood the guise of the octopi of organizations who’s only function is collecting money for bombs plus Dawa ladled with Taqiyya to blind the Kaffur.
    JMO

  26. I agree with duffman that the fee is likely too low.
    But like most areas of our medical system, we have no clue how much things cost. I expect it costs the taxpayer much more than $75K to train a doctor.
    So now Tommy Douglas’ opaque medical system has us subsidizing the top notch training of foreign doctors.
    The Saudis are probably laughing at Canadian’s stupidity.
    “Not dead enough” indeed.

  27. Hell, don’t care if they raise it to $750,000 and let in a hundred.
    Westmount, Rockliffe Park, Rosedale and Point Grey need doctors too….

  28. I confess I avail myself to the hated Universal Health Care. If I didn’t I would have to leave the country and or break the law. I think of that rotted old skinny eugenicists every frickin time I am forced to sit in the clinic’s waiting room with a vulnerable newborn for hours on end, along with every other disgusting ailment including bed bugs and lice, because this country has practically declared war on good Doctors and their incomes. I think of that rotten skinny corpse every time a family member is told they must wait months, a year, 18 months for a simple procedure that would put them back to work or give them back their quality of life. And most of all I think of that rotted skinny corpse every-time I view a pay-stub and see the deductions, every time I fill out a tax form… may he rot in hell for lie that he has foisted on the unsuspecting populace. Apart from that I have no opinion of Mr. Round up the sub normals and put them in a compound Douglas. I am sure he was a jolly good fellow.

  29. Seriously, Grey Lady, tell us what you really feel about out illustrious healthcare.
    Tommy, his legacy just keeps on giving…

  30. “10 vacant seats”…
    Meanwhile, The Phantom personally LEFT CANADA to get an education in America at personal expense because there were no “seats” available. None for a 38 yr old white male, anyway.
    Ten empty first year seats, as if. Money grab, duh.
    And yes, $75K is far too cheap. US second rank schools are $100K and up.
    A class action lawsuit joined by every single kid rejected from that school and every other school in the province would seem to be in order. If the sons of biscuits won’t behave on their own, maybe if somebody takes a big ol’ cluebat to them they’ll straighten up.

  31. My neighbours daughter is a studend in final year of science at Dalhousie. A top marked studend, she has applied for 1st year medicine at Dalhousie, even with high marks and apptitude she doubts she will be accepted. It appears they want to measurre other “variables” and she may not pass all items.

  32. Re: the federal budget:
    That’s okay, I didn’t need $40,000 to pay off some of my med school debt anyways.
    (sarcasm off)
    Arseholes.

  33. The provincial government has told universities in Nova Scotia that they are permitted to raise standard tuition fees by no more than 3%, even for international students. At the same time, they have exempted the Dalhousie Med. School program from this cap, along, I think, with the MBA program at Saint Mary’s. Marc in Calgary is quite correct; no matter how much money Dalhousie takes in through this special exemption, they will be back with their hands out next year.

  34. Mikewa. Nice comment but I trust your neighbour’s daughter can spell better than you can.

  35. Veterinarian medicine in Canada is private enterprise (just like abortion clinics) and it seems to work okay. Woof. Woof.

  36. Michele: “And scf is correct to ask about Canadians who might want those spots. Why not just offer them to Canadians?”
    Yes, why not? There are a lot of native-born Canadians whose families could afford $75,000 to get their kids into med school at Dalhousie.
    But, no doubt, these families aren’t “multicultural” enough. For some reason, Dalhousie seems to think that it’s OK to lower the bar and let non-Canadians jump the queue.
    This policy makes no sense to me at all. It’s wrong, it shouldn’t be happening, Canada doesn’t need 10 students from Saudi Arabia — or their combined $750,000 — so why is Dalhousie doing this? Dalhousie’s medical dean, Dr. Tom Marrie says, “We’ve got to find a way to run the place. This is one of those ways. We just need this money to function.”
    So, is he saying there aren’t any Canadians who’d be willing to pay $75,000/year to get their kids into med school? If so, he’s got to be kidding. Getting into med school is highly competitive and there are lots of Canadians with money who, I’m sure, would be willing to shell out what Dr. Marrie’s faculty is charging the Saudis. Would there be some legal impediment to opening – that is, selling — these spots to Canadians?
    This doesn’t pass the smell test.

  37. Dal has been recruiting (I believe primarily) Saudi students for a while now, and not just in the Medical dept. but in the Humanities too, very heavily.

  39. ‘Too many Canadian universities; Saudis being given/sold places is, I guess, one of the unintended consequences.

  40. The reason they are doing this is because if we had more Canadian doctors they would expect to work and get paid, which governments can’t afford to do. Governments ration health care by restricting the number of doctors. If they are going to do that they might as well sell of the extra seats at the medical schools. You have to understand that in a socialized medical system a shortage of doctors isn’t a bug, its a feature.

  41. Personally, I think there are better ways to deal with the legacy of Commie Douglas. But I think he probably is dead enough, even Trudeau is, it’s the live ones we have to keep watching. Especially on CBC.

  42. “… curious how these balewailing right wingers STILL avail themselves of the much hated ‘Tommy Douglas’ UNIVERSAL health care”
    Gee, Brainiac, perhaps YOU can give us the list of non-OHIP doctors we can patronize in ontario, because everywhere I turn, they’re all on the government payroll. Oh, yeah: there aren’t any. By law.
    Yet I can pay for an MRI for my sick dog, but not my sick kid. Great system, eh, beagle? Canada is one of three countries where privatized healthcare is illegal; the other two are cuba and north korea. Nice company to keep, hey?
    Under a government-run system, doctors can’t earn their potential as they’d do under a private system, so it doesn’t always pay to be a doctor. So there are shortages, and sometimes people may get sick and die because of this. And everthing gets rationed when it’s perceived as “free”: demand goes through the roof, and supply dwindles. So you have waiting lists, canceled procedures, whatever. Maybe Dear Tommy can think about in during his weekly pinochle game with PET in hell.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  43. I smell a typical dumbass leftard shoot our western society in the foot move.
    Libtard thinking (or what passes therefore); Import more jihadis, and you know, they hate the same people we hate, so it must be a great idea!
    Yeah, that’s it!
    Anyone remember where those Glasgow airport partially exploded doctors were from..?
    I am sure they had the typical high Mo-cult corrupted cranial content
    Stop immigration from Mo-cult countries.
    At least til they drop the lethal and imperialistic attitude.
    Perhaps another 1400 years might do it?

  44. Saskatchewan is short of doctors, especially General Practitioners.
    The Sask. Party government should call Dalhousie and
    offer to take the spots. It would make more sense than
    training doctors for Saudi Arabia.
    If something doesn’t make sense, blame the people who are in charge now.

  46. When mad King Bob I and the Clampetts ruled Ontario and set the quotas, a similar university supported proposal involving Ontario citizens
    without provincially funded slots and qualified to begin training fully paying for private slots to train as doctors was quickly rebuffed. Despite
    all the advantages to everyone, the NDP ruled it “unfair to the nonrich”. Rumour suggested that the real reason was that the bureaucracy was
    nervous such doctors could sue for the right to practice in Ontario after graduation. So they took themselves to the USA and elsewhere for
    training and practice. In fairness, later governments were just as idiotic.
    Any bets that 10 years from now fat, plain, women from Nova Scotia will be beseeching the federal government to rescue their many children from
    the clutches of their rich, handsome, former husbands lately returned to Saudi Arabia?

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