26 Replies to “When The Communists Show Up To Protest The Nazis”

  1. hmmm. ya, and when you add chiang kai shek’s rotten-to-the-core nationalists to the mix you get evil vs evil vs evil.
    so let’s now look at who was supporting each side.
    communists supported by other communists in the soviet union. check.
    nazis supported and financed by, what’s this? western business interests in the 30s? whoa, where did that come from?
    chiang’s nationalists supported by western GOVERNMENTS ??? again, where the fcuk did that come from ???
    I now invite SDA regulars to spin spin spin…..

  2. I wish I could find the George Jonas column from a few years ago (National Post?) where he points out that part of the reason that the Holocaust gets so much attention (as it should, and that attention is dwindling now that anti-semitism is increasingly back in fashion), and the Communist atrocities of the 20th century so little, is that the Germans committed a “Society Crime” (his expression).
    In other words, noone ever really expected the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Cambodians, to be civilized.
    Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler (who was a left-winger, in practical terms; we can never stop stressing that). So was Mao. But we know by now that the left will never apologize for Communism.

  3. I have to give the Communists credit — they were far more egalitarian in the way they committed mass homicide.

  5. Is it any wonder that paranoia is rampant, especially with the emotionally fragile? Of course as they say, just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you! perhaps it is time to move up-country (not you Kate)and start laying away provisions and provender. Rice is still affordable and lasts forever; it’s one of the reasons they grow it in China.

  8. “it is possible to be a communist with the “good will,” i.e. to sincerely wish the best most prosperous future for everyone”.
    Right, except the experiment has been tried often enough in the 20th century, 100% of the regimes ended up as some form of Leninist-Stalinist
    model. This leaves appologists to claim that Castro was not as bad because he “only” liquidated
    150,000 opponents (fill in blank for correct estimate). These kinds of arguments are obscene, but still fashionable in some circles. I agree that Mao was the all-time mass murder champion, but he still avoids serious condemnation. China of course is now post communist and just like one of the western nations. I don’t think so.

  9. “The difference between Communists and Nazis is mostly PR, and the PR is better because more journalists and academics were communists than Nazis.”
    THAT !! says it all.

  10. What do you do when the moslems hold a rally and the Nazis and Communists turn up to attack the moslems?

  12. About the only difference between Nazism and Communism is the per diem efficiency at killing people.
    Both ideologies for simple and brutal minds
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
    In the process of that research, I discovered that governments have murdered millions of their own citizens, and that in some cases, the death toll may have actually exceeded that of World War II. To get some idea of the numbers involved, I surveyed the extent of genocide and mass killing by governments since 1900. The results were shocking: according to these first figures, independent of war and other kinds of conflict, governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people, Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000.3
    Thus we conclude that the battlefield is a safer place than being ruled by Marxist governments.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  13. I was told that if the Gestapo arrested you and then established you were innocent…they usually let you go. The KGB shot you anyway…….

  14. They’re both “collectivists” that care more about their “side” than people, and would happily revisit the murder and torture given half a chance, just as beagle is calling for here.

  15. @sasquatch:
    My paternal grandfather spent 4 years on the Russian front in WWI, including the delightful duty of the 2nd Battle of Masurian Lakes which opened on Feb 7, 1915 in white out conditions and a balmy temperature of -40 C.
    Given his experience of “General Winter”, when Adolf and Co. attacked the Soviet Union at the start of Operation Barbarossa he suggested to a neighbour that:
    “Unser Furhrer wird sich in Russland zum Tode siegen.”
    Translation: Our Furhrer’s only victory will be in spreading death and destruction.
    Some weeks later the neighbour tried to get my grandfather to repeat the statement; which he didn’t. As he turned to go around the corner to re-enter the house were two Gestapo agents in leather greatcoats. Result: no arrest for the crime of ‘defeatism’ against the prevailing political authority.
    The lesson is that political systems that require blinkered obeisance invariably devolve into prolonged bouts of criminality/discrimination.
    The Soviet Story – Why killing is essential to communism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3uFUxMwA1w
    (See in particular: 2:25 minute marker)
    As Goebbels states the difference between Hitler and Lenin was very slight. Nazism and Communism are merely an issue of political branding. One of the reasons Stalin and Hitler agreed to carve up Poland in 1940.
    Before Hitler became an enemy he was an ally.
    Nazi – Communist Collaboration in WW 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sphvcZLVFwE&feature=related
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  16. Nemo, it’s called the Sukhomlinov Effect; throughout history the side with the fanciest uniforms, particularly of the commanders, loses the war.

  17. No doubt beagle has run and hid. In case you haven’t, the practitioners of the ideology you defend shot or worked to death at least a dozen of my family members that I know of and most likely more that I do not at this time know about. Make sure you watch Han’s first Youtube selection @3:43.
    Hans, or does anyone know is the “Soviet Story” available on a disc?
    “it is possible to be a communist with the “good will,” i.e. to sincerely wish the best most prosperous future for everyone”. I don’t think so, at least not for long, as any that there were in Russia after 1918 did not argue much with Lenin when he was breaking a few eggs to make an omelet and Stalin knew who they were and started liquidating them after 1926. Good will communists are just more radical fellow travelers that are made use of and then disposed of.
    oldfart @ 12:18, wish for a bigger asteroid.

  20. Hans,Vielen Dank. You obviously read my 6:13 post and I would like to add to that for your information that after 1990 almost all of my and my wife’s relatives that were living in the former Soviet Union immigrated and now live in Germany.

  21. The only thing that makes Nazism/Fascism worse than Communism was an unparalleled brutal event unique to Hitler: the Jewish Holocaust. Although in terms of numbers murdered under the Nazis (10 million total — including 6 million Jews) and longevity (roughly a decade), the Communists far surpassed the Nazis: estimates ranging from 50 to 150 million spanning roughly two generations (73 years). And Communists still control 1/4 of the population of the earth to some degree or another, and have been erstwhile allies with the current international threat: “Islamo-fascism”, “Islamism”, or “Islamic supremacism” or whatever you want to call the terrorism threat.
    Progressive analysts long ago misrepresented false dichotomies between these ideologies: e.g. “the Commies are the good guys; the Nazis are the bad guys”. And the Islamists? “Well let’s not talk about that shall we — it throws the biggest monkey wrench into our erroneous dichotomy because it incorporates elements of both”.

  23. Ricardo, it’s pointless playing the numbers game in terms of which one was worse. Both were utterly vile; any differences between how many deaths they were responsible for were simply differences in scope.
    What both had in common was that they were both utterly opposed to classical liberalism. Both were collectivist ideologies opposed to the freedom and rights of the individual.
    Nemo, you’re most welcome. The damnable thing is trying to find an exception in history to the rule. It’s obviously a symptom and not a cause, but it’s uncannily precise as a predictor of outcomes.

  24. I ordered a copy of The Soviet Story from Amazon and in case any one else is interested the shipping and handling can be high, possibly as much or more than the price of the DVD.

  26. One of the problems is calling Hitler a Nazi, Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Democratic Party or a National Socialist for short. I can’t tell you how many people have told me how other than a few things this guy and his party had some good progressive ideas.
    I look at the different flavours of Socialism like a Hindu looks at French Huguenot and Catholic fighting each other. Other than a different haircut, really what is your issue with each other that you must dislike each other.

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