65 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Stinking Giant Fans”

  1. Geeze, with that kind of reasoning we should outlaw power saws and go back to hand saws to build houses.
    Here is a neat idea, let’s outlaw power lawnmowers and legislate that lawns have to be cut with toenail clippers, that would produce a lot of jobs.
    I can just see it now, all those former welfare recipients on their hands and knees working their way across a verdant green expanse as though they were goats./

  2. Just think of how many jobs we could create if we produced electricity by hand-cranking generators! That’s sort of the reductio ad absurdum for Worldwatch Institute’s argument. (Okay, there are more absurd things, like using things other than electricity to do the things that electricity does for us now).

  3. It takes more than five times as many people to create 1,000 Giga watt hours as nuclear and these morons are proud of that? What more needs to be said. (walks away shaking head)

  4. Great mail-out by RPIC. Chock-a-block full of science and mathematics. Excellent cost/benefit analysis. This must have been a winning class project of at least grade three girls and boys.

  5. I can go them one better. Given that a human working hard generates about 500W, if you used generators hooked up to stationary bikes and everybody pedaled 8 hours per day, 200 days per year, a generator-bike turbine plant could employ 250,000 people to generate 1000 GWh per annum.
    That’s a FAR more efficient means of employing people than simply using wind power.
    By the same logic, I vote we all go back to building pyramids by hand. I just watched “The Ten Commandments”, and let me tell you, for all their messed-up fashion sense, those Pharoahs sure knew how to achieve full employment. I volunteer for the cool job of stomping straw into the mud pit to make bricks. It’d be like going to the spa! But with whips and stuff.
    I guess what it boils down to is this: what is your primary goal as an electrical utility?
    Is it to employ people?
    Or is it to, you know, MAKE ELECTRICITY???

  6. My choice would be to go back to people-powered rickshaws.
    The econo model only creates one job per unit, but by investing in the deluxe model you could create or save 2 jobs all by yourself. Just think of all the slacker Greenies we could put to work finally.

  7. Isn’t it ironic we’re talking human-power while the Chinese are buying combines.

  8. Today’s Regina Leader Post features a report on the public discussion that was held there last evening.
    Amongst other it reports: Prior to the community meeting held in the auditorium at Western Christian College, about 40 people gathered on a patch of grass and joined hands in a circle. Swaying and alternately moving forward and back and side-to-side, they performed “The Elm Dance,” which organizers described as being “in solidarity with those around the world who have been and are being harmed by uranium mining and nuclear power generation”.
    Too funny.

  9. …they performed “The Elm Dance…
    Isn’t that the one that prevents Dutch Elm Disease?

  10. these kind of stats are probably true with ANY new technology. probably true about the STILL expotentially expensive nuclear way. any numbers of the cost of generating power for the above selection? dont forget all the ‘debt retirement’ add-ons as seen on ontari-ari-ario hydro bills.

  11. Isn’t it ironic we’re talking human-power while the Chinese are buying combines.
    ~glasnost at June 5, 2009 2:31 PM
    Yeah, human power, that’s the ticket.
    Let’s get with the program and hook people up as batteries like in the movie “the Matrix’ or the Stephen King book “the Tommyknockers”.
    Best use of immigrants, especially Tamils, I can think of.

  13. ..and to protest bird strikes on wind turbines they’ll perform the much loved Chicken Dance!

  14. We don’t need no stinkin’ 13th century technology that takes up much more land than, for example, a nuclear power plant.

  15. These are just modern-day Luddites…..
    John Ludd was a weirdo who organized a short lived movement to smash machines such as power looms at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in England…..modern knuckle draggers…

  16. If the Wackjob-Malarkey Bill passes Congress and the fools actually try to implement it, we can kiss goodbye to what might remain of our standard of living.
    “First off, the stated objective of cutting carbon emissions by 83% by 2050 will go down in history as outrageous – akin to when Who drummer Keith Moon drove his Lincoln Continental into the pool at the Holiday Inn. I think members of Congress must be smoking the same thing Moon was…
    …To meet the Waxman-Markey bill’s goals would mean we have to go back to a carbon footprint about as big as the Pilgrims’ at Plymouth Rock circa 1620.”
    http://dailyreckoning.com/waxman-markey-whacks-industry/

  17. DN
    Even Lance Armstrong can’t generate 500 W for 8 sustained hours. I’m good for about 125 W over a half hour, and that is a workout.

  19. Hey folks,
    I think the most effective way of getting all the greenies and their ilk back to work is to…wait for it…cut welfare to 0.00001% of what it is now. I think these people wouldn’t have too much time concocting imbecilic ideas if they actually had to work for a living.
    ~~favill~~

  20. favill,
    the Greenies don’t have to work, they’re getting rich just trading carbon credits.
    8^D

  21. The extra 440 people are needed to blow on the propellers when the winds stops.
    At least now we have proof that wind energy almost five times more expensive than nuclear. Why any idiot would brag about that is beyond me…wait a minute…this must not be pushed by private industry! Go government!!

  22. These people are arguing that the energy business should be – wait for it – inefficient!
    Oh, the irony. Oh, the stupidity.

  24. Are those extra 442 jobs required to blow air towards the turbines on a windless night?

  25. Are those extra 442 jobs required to blow air towards the turbines on a windless night?
    In kindergarten we had this racist jokes about China finishing building their first power station, where hundreds of people in wool pants were sliding down ebony surface. This brought back the memories…

  26. Dang, Rick beat me to it. Note to self: work takes too much time away from blogs.

  27. Think of all of the things we will have to do without while those otherwise productive people are put to work tending giant fans. Things like food, shelter, appliances, etc…

  28. Great mail out. We do not need a nuclear reactor in Saskatchewan. BrucePower will not get another dime from the Ontario government as they are well over budget and behind schedule there on the upgrades to two reactors; hence, they come here trying to sell us a bill of goods. How many billion will it cost the Saskatchewan people? I doubt that the North Saskatchewan River has the capability of sustaining a nuclear power plant, especially if Iogen builds the ethanol plant at the former pulp and paper mill site in PA. Further, what will our cost be for containing and storing the radioactive waste. If Wall wants to keep his nice little office he’d better send BrucePower packing or he’ll be the one packing boxes.

  29. Further, what will our cost be for containing and storing the radioactive waste.
    Funny how Leftards only worry about the waste after they’ve interfered with and managed to shut down the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Storage project for 22 years now.
    Equally amusing is how they like to defend Pakistani, North Korean, or Iranian “nuclear energy” projects but are instantly ready with reasons why new American or Canadian reactors with better, more advanced, cleaner design technology cannot be built to replace or supplement the older reactors we already have.

  30. I think we can judge the level of science knowledge of the RPIC group from the fact that one of the Youtube videos they present as alternatives is showcasing a perpetual motion machine from Australia. As for the number of jobs, given our current and future labour shortage it would seem a nuclear power plant would be the best followed by another coal plant for our province.

  31. Equally amusing is how they like to defend Pakistani, North Korean, or Iranian “nuclear energy” projects but are instantly ready with reasons why new American or Canadian reactors with better, more advanced, cleaner design technology cannot be built to replace or supplement the older reactors we already have.
    Doesn’t that just sum it all up! Right on point Oz.

  33. “a generator-bike turbine plant could employ 250,000 people to generate 1000 GWh per annum.”
    Wow . . the upside is really fit people with thunder thighs.
    But . the downside is lot of CO2 from all the huffing & Puffing.
    More job creation I suppose . . selling the carbon credits to account for all that CO2.

  35. The biggest irony is that they list a perpetual motion machine “zero point energy generator” as a way to derive power.
    http://www.rpic.ca/renewable.html
    Hilarious.
    How can you have an honest debate with people that aren’t honest with themselves.

  36. Powering our cities by employing people to rub sticks together or knapp chunks of flint would create a lot of jobs too.
    If the military-industrial complex and civilization-as-we-know-it collapsed, and we all reverted to hunter-gatherer status, who do you think would last longer:
    a)Sarah Palin
    b)a white guy with dreadlocks?

  37. “they like to defend Pakistani, North Korean, or Iranian “nuclear energy””
    If I were cynical I’d think it had something to do with developing nuclear weapons to destroy Israel or threaten the United States. But I’m much too naive and trusting to believe that, and besides, the thinking and compassionate left would never be that loathsome, right?

  38. Progressives must punish those that do not share in their beliefs. You shall be punished if you don’t live in a single rented room in a run down unloved house. They beleive in Co-ops that they can ‘share’ in the labour of selling roots and berries. Hey get a job, buy a house, tend a garden, can the veggies and get a life. You won’t have time for the BS.

  39. Clearly, so called renewables can provide you with power. There is just no way it will ever be cheap. It remains to be seen if it will be plentiful.
    This is another attempt to remake society. Our entire way of life is based on cheap, plentiful, readily accessible energy. Renewables change all of that.

  40. With well over 1 billion people each this was China and India’s plan for full employment. Something about manual labour that really isn’t attractive for a country like Canada that spends billions and billions of dollars each year on the k-12 and the post-secondary education systems

  41. Right on, Maureen.
    That reminds me of an old cartoon I once saw depicting a medieval serf bent over in the hot sun with a huge faggot of twigs on his back while another person standing by the side of the road asks the serf, “Would you like to know what time it is?”

  42. Fact Check:
    Well, that takes them from naive and economically illiterate to out-and-out wack jobs.

  43. I can see the reasoning in it, or is it the unintended consequentials?
    Leftys as live shark bait, buildings built with 1inch poplar, pony express mail and barn raising.

  44. Posted on the ‘Planet Gore’ blog in today’s National Review.
    Spain likely to renew Franco-era reactor’s license
    Spanish regulators are likely to extend the license of a Franco-era nuclear reactor, despite repeated government promises to phase out atomic power, according to a former government adviser.
    Officials are expected to decide by July 5 whether to issue a 10-year operating permit for the 38-year-old Santa María de Garoña plant . . .
    “I don’t think the president will close Santa María de Garoña, because you would unjustifiably shut down an industry that makes energy for €36 ($51) a megawatt-hour,” said Manuel Lozano Leyva, nuclear adviser to Spain’s research and development plan from 2004 to 2007. In contrast, a megawatt-hour costs €60 ($85) from coal and natural gas, €85 ($120) from wind and €450 ($636) from solar, he said.

  45. If anyone cares they perverted the data in the following way.
    They took the entire Wind Industry from every factory making blades and towers plus the construction employment, research and development, engineering, and steno pool and divided by the installed capacity only.
    For Nuclear they simply took the established ( already constructed) generation plants employees and divided by the generating capacity. If we were building Nuclear plants the numbers would be very different.Plus they excluded mining, refining, engineering, transportation, etc.
    If they compared apples to apples Wind has far fewer employees after construction.
    The AGWers are “jumping the shark” with Earth 2100 and the shrill calls from the proponents and are getting in the habit of just making Shite up.
    Their days are numbered because they do not know when to STFU.

  46. Nothing like 13th-century technology to create green jobs.
    Is there any wonder newer, more efficient technologies that need less land use to churn out the same amount of energy eventually took over?
    Luddites does not begin to describe this way of thinking.

  47. If I remember correctly, we used to whip a few guys when rowing across the oceans, maybe we just need to make some convicts spin turbines.
    This way we can keep the people on the dole and make the convicts pay for their sins. Either way, they aren’t responsible for their actions.

  48. Spain’s experience with “green” jobs was less-than-successful. Each green job cost approximately $900K US to sustain with capital & other costs, and displaced 2 private sector jobs.
    Details here and here.
    Ahhh… the sound of economics fading into obscurity when confronted by the green agenda.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  49. Better Idea.
    $50,000,000,000.00 divided by 234,000 jobless equals what per person? You can pay me over 3 years to not drive and look at the fuel you will save.

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