I have a slightly different take than Durham Reporter, who wrote: “It’s strange in a way that it takes a deep recession to turn a Liberal into a Conservative, not that Dalton is very far from the political center. It’s even stranger, or just plain sad, that politicians do their best work when you remove the possibility of winning another term.”
I think it’s commendable, in a sense, when a politician does his best work in such a circumstance. It’s easy enough for an outgoing politician to pile on the spending, and leave a legacy of having pleased different noisy groups, without thought for the future, or the next guy in office. By being responsible instead, an outgoing politician may end up being hated, but at least he’s trying to do the right thing.
That being said, I’m not sure McGuinty’s finished — did he announce his retirement, or something?
I’ll be surprised if the Liberals lose another Ontario election in my lifetime, the demographics are off the chart in their favour, and then there is the media. Harper’s the one not acting like a guy who will be around in a year, I call dibs on supporting John Weston as next Conservative leader.
“I’m just glad he’s finally doing the right thing…Its strange in a way that it takes a deep recession to turn a Liberal into a Conservative, not that Dalton is very far from the political center. ”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, that was good. He just introduced a huge tax increase, a huge deficit, and has been spending like it’s Boxing Day since he was elected, does this guy even live in Ontario?
In a budget meant to stimulate demand, he simultaneously introduced both billions in new stimulus spending *and* the one tax specifically designed to *decrease* demand, a consumption tax, on the service sector comprising 40% of the economy. Both, at the same time. In a quarter where GDP is forecast to drop 15%. It’s beyond parody.
EBD wrote: “leave a legacy of having pleased different noisy groups”
Overly-squeaky wheels that tend to turn in non-desired directions need to be replaced, not greased. Oops, car analogy.
As an Ontario conservative (not Conservative) who has completely despaired of the Conservative party here, I can tell you that McGuinty has an open hand to do whatever he wants. There is no credible opposition to the Ontario Liberals at this time.
So, if he has come to the realization that government has to take certain positions that might not be totally popular for his base, but are truly necessary, there’s no risk for him.
Meanwhile the Ontario PC party continues its slide to irrelevance. This week the Conservatives came out against the online sharing of information about public school demographics.
Principled conservatism? Hardly
First of all, they are only words coming out of mcliar’s mouth, and we all know how well he keeps his word….
Like zimbobrae before him, chimpy mcidiot has been spending like a drunk sailor on dollar day at the bordello. Ontario was sliding into recession(factor out the increases in gov’t hiring and spending, and we have been in recession for over 2 years)way before the global economic crisis hit. In fact, the global recession is providing that librano idiot with cover, while he provides lip service to our newly aquired “have-not” status, and continues his borrowing and spending spree.
Nope, sorry, I do not buy it….12% raise to the teachers, 36% increase in the number of trough wallower’s earning over 100K, $5 billion on windmill fantasy farms, etc, etc, etc.
I still don’t read a bloody thing in the Toronto rags about Mcguinty,s 8% tax on every GD thing from cradle to grave.And the Toronto liberal voters must just be all on welfare or are loaded with cash,because you hear them on all the blogs blasting PM Harper for everything,but when Mcguinty is going to put them in the poor house,,,NOTHING the big mouths clam up.SICKENING..Maybe the smart meter coming in January 2010 and raising electricity bills by hundreds of dollars every month will wake some of you up.
One thing for sure, McGuinty has made a fine mess of Ontario, it’s closer to a Commie state with all his regulations across the board. The economic downturn is a blessing for him, he was in one before the biggie hit so he’s being very cuddly with the Federal Conservative government trying to help his own image.
Funny and sad thing about Ontario is they love Liberals of all stripes. It matters not if they’re laden with scandals, boondoggles, scams, break promises as McGuinty is famous for, they’re still gonna get elected by the brain dead idiots in Ontario. It’s a mentality of “what’s in it for me” and “we’ll take it any way we can get it” that steers the voters in Ontario and Quebec.
I don’t know why people are so against the HST. Its a consumption tax is which by far a much fairer way to raise revenue. He is wrong in not providing an equal cut in income tax. People will always consume the max of their ability, look at the mess we are in. In the long run this will transfer the tax burden to people with more disposable income away from the ones who closer to the bone.
I don’t have a huge problem with McGinty. I disagree with some of his stuff and agree with some of his stuff. (It’ll be interesting who gets awarded the contract for the 2 new reactors – I think the decision is coming down in the next few weeks.)
Durham is a pretty conservative area. Even most of the auto workers I know are conservative. However, people developed a dislike for John Tory because of his religion schools flip-flop and the way he did it. He then lost a safe conservative seat to the liberals in a by-election because he asked the well liked mpp to step aside and the way he did it came across as dishonest. So in my opinion the conservatives’ stupid decisions are the reason the liberals are so strong.
I have a couple of lively polls going on if anyone cares to vote.
I agree with Ontarian – the Liberals will not lose in Ontario.
Ontario will be the new welfare state in Canada. It will have the highest tax rates, highest unemployment, and Toronto will add even more socialists. And many conservatives are tiring of this idiocy and moving west.
Some may state that the pathetically run PC party is the reason for long Liberal rule, but I disagree. At least 25% of the people of Ontario are Liberal lemmings. You’ve still got a large number of people here who absolutely detest Mike Harris. That’s because there’s so many people on the public teet, who’d get shut out should a premier similar to Harris gain rule.
The only chance to return normalcy to Ontario is to reduce the number of people paid directly by the taxpayer (e.g. government, teachers, auto workers, welfare recipients, etc.) to less than 25% of the voting population, but this is not occurring. In fact I believe commie mayor Miller is adding more than 1,000 jobs.
Another Common Sense Revolution is desperately needed here, but it ain’t happening.
“they’re still gonna get elected by the brain dead idiots in Ontario.”
Posted by: Liz J at April 9, 2009 7:58 AM
You are partially correct LIZ J.
The large metropolitan areas for sure vote leftist – either ND or Lib.
The rural areas still like conservatives.
Sadly the cities carry the day for the leftists.
Here on Oxford county we are strong conservative supporters.
Dave MacKenzie federally and Ernie Hardeman PC provincially.
Conservative’s worst nightmare of course remains the corrupt leftist Canadian MSM, totally ingrained in this country.
No national conservative MSM voice to counter the leftist lickspittle sh** eminating from corporate MSM.
Kingstonlad is correct – McGuinty is bankrupting the province and taking it places we’ll need a decade to recover from.
However, Liz J, its urban Ontario that loves the socialists, that’s because half of them are wealthy enough to survive the high taxes, and the other half have their hands out and survive on the largess of the state.
Too many people don’t contribute any income tax. But they can all vote to have the rest of us contribute more – a tipping point leading to disaster.
We in Ontario are in deep – actions by McGuinty, Harper’s neo-leftists and the Obama ‘regime’ have ensured the current economic crisis will devolve into a depression.
Given that no two economic crisis are the same, we need at least another year before the character of this one takes shape.
A lot can change in that year, rendering today’s re-electable Dalton into tomorrow’s Dead Dalton Walking. We can only hope.
A single glimmer on the horizon – all four aspirants to the Ontario PC Party leadership are right wingers. All that remains to decide, is what flavour of conservative the Party wants to take into the election.
Posted by: Ontarian at April 9, 2009 3:19 AM
Beautiful political synopsis, Ontarion! You are 100% correct *sigh*. Ontario dwellers are truly idiots to re-elect this socialist fool, but if sailed through the last election in the wake of the largest tax increase in the province’s history (oops! sorry: health care premium), what could topple him?
And you’re right: adding a consumption tax in the middle of some of the province’s worst economic times is the move of a maniac. Durham reporter, please try to understand: consumption taxes are fine IF people at large have the money to actually CONSUME things. They are useless when people are hunkered deeply in the “bunker” mentality. The scenario is getting altogether too close to what sub-urban.ca paints above: …urban Ontario that loves the socialists, that’s because half of them are wealthy enough to survive the high taxes, and the other half have their hands out and survive on the largess of the state
We are in for a very rough ride.
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
Almost looks like he’s trying to show the government what “Conservatism” looks like…
He’s certainly a better conservative than that blowhard Danny “I’m gonna throw a tantrum” Williams.
MHB, you made my point in your post
“consumption taxes are fine IF people at large have the money to actually CONSUME things”
The lower income folks will alway consume less, whether its cars, big houses, meals out, etc… while the more affluent will. The tax burden is shifted away from lower income. Urbanites consume way more stuff than rural folks, produce more garbage, etc…, yet they pay the same level of income tax, how is that fair. That’s shy the budget lowered the rate for the bottom tax bracket.
I’ve never liked McGuinty, in fact I think he’s weasel and curse his name almost daily but I agree with him on harmonization even if I will pay a bit more for some things.
Durham Reporter, Dalton is not impressing me with his acumen, to say the least. As noted above, we have the windmill fiasco still burning money, he’s raising taxes with the sales tax when he should be lowering them, and the business tax reduction is a drop in the bucket.
Bottom line, companies are leaving Ontario in a steady trickle. Durham region is still doing pretty good. If you want to see what’s going to happen to you, take a cruise out to Hamilton, Kitchener, Guelph, Woodstock.
Hard core Liberal support is limited to the 416 area. Outside Toronto proper, in the ‘burbs if you will, people aren’t quite so sure about the way things are going. Once you leave the Mississauga to Pickering corridor, people are quite sure about how things are going: down hill.
The problem John Tory had is he wasn’t a Conservative. There’s nothing conservative about him, he’s strictly Liberal Lite. People outside Toronto want and need tax cuts, an end to the asinine web of regulations that add cost to everything we do, and we really, really need the cops to apply the laws -equally-.
As in they need to stop letting Indians get away with all the crap they’re doing these days with the cigarette smuggling, dope smuggling and car stealing. Those three criminal enterprises are HUGE in the Cornwall and Caledonia areas, and the McGuinty response has been to allow them to grow as fast as they can. Half the smokes in Ontario are smuggled. That’s not good. Those smokes are being sold -openly- in illegal roadside stands along #6 highway in Caledonia, and the stands have been there so long they’ve had to upgrade the little shacks a few times into permanent buildings.
People inside Toronto want better TTC service, more and better park services, and all the crazy expensive social programs they can think up. Dalton of course is paying attention to them, because that’s where the most people live.
Add this all up, we have a government which is ignoring major problems in our society at a very basic level, to focus on ephemera. This is not good governance.
Harmonization wasn’t McGuinty’s idea; it was Flaherty who constantly was asking him to do this.
As for Ontario being Liberal, as pointed out above, it’s because of the massive Toronto area population, where the majority are feeding off the government, either within civil service, academic, health care etc jobs; or are on some form of government assistance. They vote Liberal to keep that taxpayer money coming to them.
Small businesses can’t survive in the Toronto area; they can’t survive the high taxes, rentals, high transportation costs, added costs on everything from garbage pickup to parking, and inadequate services.
Phantom…you want to see lawlessness, check out the smoke shacks in Shannonville and just west of Deseronto….it is like something out of the wild west or Yukon gold rush.
These contraband cigs are being sold to our kids, and in the process it is exposing our kids to scumbags who sell meth, guns and crack. They attempt to lure our kids into prostitution, and fkface mcuseless sits in Queens Park and does nothing.
IT IS TIME FOR THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA TO ELIMINATE ALL TAXES ON CIGARETTES……NOW !
OUR CHILDREN ARE AT RISK, YOU STUPID, USELESS IDIOTS!
One more thing.
The only solution to the contraband ciggy “crisis”, yes, CRISIS, is the following:
1 – eliminate all taxes on tobacco
2 – enact legislation in the criminal code that gives out manadatory 5 year prison terms for selling contraband cigs to anyone under 18
This way, the adult smokers will go back to legitimate retailers who ID, and the scumbags who sell to our kids will go to prison instead of receiving a “slap” on the wrist.
It is the only solution !
I cant name the state, but I did see it on the ABC nightly news
A US state wants to put a special tax on Pop(soft drinks)
Why?
Because people are Obese and they are blaming Pop consumption, so tax them & they will stop drinking Pop.
Any bets Ontario or even Toronto introduces something similar.
Ontario should tax stupid. In that field they are a “have province”, and that is only counting Queen’s Park.
“And many conservatives are tiring of this idiocy and moving west.”
Yes they are and if “Our Fair Share” and the results of it, plus all the green sh*t they brought was any indication, the same old Ontario mentality is running this Alberta government as well.
They are NOT “conservative” by any means.
As I mentioned in my amazing, incredible, astounding you-gotta-read-it blog post yesterday, McGuinty has presided over the most perfect confluence of government STUPIDITY in 20 years here. And that’s really saying something in Ontario, the home of Stupid Government.
//phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/04/another-victory-for-cultural.html
Obscene taxes on smokes have created a massive demand for smuggled ciggies. FIDO policing of Indian reservations have created a perfect environment for smuggling, and a large workforce is available due to lots of welfare dorks sitting around.
Note that this is not a racist comment, there’s plenty plenty WASP welfare dorks running smuggled smokes into variety stores all over Ontario. Your corner store has one price for strangers, another price for guys they know. Nobody checks. FIDO.
Thus we have a government created opportunity to make really BIG money almost completely risk free, nurtured by police who have been flat out ordered to look the other way (cops will talk to you about this crap if you’re not Media, y’know) and held in place by the “cultural sensetivity” superstitions of people in Toronto.
Kingston’s point about the tax is correct. Lower the tax, eliminate the problem.
I disagree with the 5 year term though. Just bust the same a-holes every week for a year, they will slither back into their holes. Crime is an opportunistic enterprise persued by fundamentally lazy and stupid people. You make it unpleasant and difficult, they will go find something easier.
McGuinty is far from doing anything useful here. Observe that there are no smoke shops in the Hamilton regional police force jurisdiction, which falls quite close to the Reserve on the North side. The smoke shops are only found in OPP policed areas or on the actual reserve. I can only surmise that’s because the Hamilton cops are ordered to bust them every time they set up. OPP is ordered -not- to bust them. McGuinty calls the shots for the OPP and sets the tax rates. I’d say the conclusion pretty much draws itself, eh?
Too little, too late. Dalton has been running deficits since he got in, at first playing the blame game on the outgoing Eves government. He had a chance while times were good to rectify the deficit, and he blew it. He gave huge raises to all of his civil servant unions, spent recklessly, probably all the while thinking he could bring in a balanced budget towards the end of his term. Ontario’s manufacturing sector has been suffering and getting worse the entire time he’s been in office, and he’s done nothing about it. Now it’s coming back to kick him in the A$$.
This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with poisoning our children…..
I do not care what the skin color is of the douchebag selling the smokes….I want the douchebag to serve serious time for the crime they are committing……
nothing more, nothing less
BTW…I am part miqmaq
Phantom, why would you want to waste your time busting the same a-holes every week for a year, only to have them go find something easier. You know the something easier that they find will definitely be a job, it’ll be more shady activities. So throwing them in jail for 5 years sounds better. But even better than that, they should be shipped off to the far north to work a mandatory “community service” job building roads or something. A couple years of real hardship up there will make a real job seem appealing.
Harmonization wasn’t McGuinty’s idea; it was Flaherty who constantly was asking him to do this.
Since when did Dalton ever listen to anyone else? He only did it this time because Flaherty made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
The HST would go over easier though if Dalton lowered the provincial portion a percentage or two.
I am a fiscal conservative and economist. I joined the Common Sense revolution – helped in elections – donated. The party left me – I did not leave it – with John Tory. Just as Mulroney and Cambell left me and I joined Reform. Even as a consumer I agree with harmonizing the sales taxes – the savings for business plus the decrease in corporate taxes will make us start to be competitive. Consumers get a reduction of 1% in the initial Prov. tax level, = $386.00per annum for all tax payers. For some reason PC,s object – this is supposed to be the party that supports business. Then they oppose ranking schools and teachers – I gotta get out of here!
What a nanny state Ontario has become under the 6 1/2 years of McSlippery’s reign.
Next up under the “ban-it” category on April 22 almost all garden and lawn care products.
No more potato bug dust, concentrated Round-up, Killex, Weedex,malathion…you know the good stuff that works to kill bugs and weeds.
This may be a good thing for a Tarawna apartment dweller but NOT for a rural property owner.
Oh…how green we have become.
And broke.
You want an example of chimpy mcliar’s micro-management of our day to day lives?
We build and hold apartment buildings. At our main complex we have two 40 unit bldgs, with serviced land for a third. We initiated the process to begin construction(including spending 40 grand for culverts, etc)when all of a sudden, some jerkoff from Toronto decided that the type of indiginous trees that we were planting(to match the exisiting ones, I might add) were not up to spec.
They actually had the audacity to specify which type of tree we should plant(to make things even stupider, it is a tree not very common in these parts).
So, the result????? My father in law said screw this, put the plans on the shelf(for us to build when he is gone)and told the mclying libranos to go fk themselves.
– many jobs lost
– many purchases from local biz lost
– 40 affordable units geared to seniors lost
WELL DONE CHIMPY MCJERKOFF AND YOUR MERRY BAND OF THIEVING LIBRANOS…WAY TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY !
kingstonlad. why does anyone give a shit who smokes or doesn’t? how about freedom the single most important thing we have .
Comrade McGuinty’s socialist state waddles into the future proving that socialism is a stomach.
Here is the socialist stomach:
NDP stomach vs McGuinty stomach.
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“Bill on menu calorie counting moves to third reading
Ontario NDP Health Critic France Gelinas’ private members bill calling for restaurants to list calories on their menus and limit the amounts of trans fat passed second reading at Queens Park Thursday.” (ctv)
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“Metro – McGuinty wants Feds to tackle obesity issue
Ottawa should be more involved in fighting childhood obesity rather than having the provinces take action by forcing restaurants and schools to post calorie”
old white guy, they care because smoking costs lots of money in terms of health care. Lots of money they’d rather spend on their social engineering projects.
Mcdinkspot can go to hell
I think Ontario will vote for a conservative party, there just isn’t one available.
The PC party is liberal lite and that’s a guaranteed loser.
Hopefully the next leader will be more Harris and less Tory.
As for the GST harmonization, it probably wouldn’t be so bad if the provincial sales tax was dropped a couple of per cent. Fat chance of that happening.
Posted by: pete at April 9, 2009 7:32 PM
Pete, it cost the government far more to take care of seniors than dying smokers. And lets be serious, if everyone in Ontario quit smoking tomorrow the government isn’t going to live without those billions in tax dollars. They will find a new cause.
It’s all about some do-gooder sob telling you how to live you’re life.
Just a suggestion folks, if you hear anyone in your circle of friends, acquaintances or people you ride with on the bus biatch about the McF*cktard liberals, ask them for who they voted last provincial election. If the answer is “liberal” give them a big resounding STFU – anyone who voted liberal does not have the right to complain – they’re the ones who got us in this disgusting quagmire. We’re in this mess because too many Ontarians lack the brains god gave my yorkies to figure out that McGuinty was a sleazy liar. Where do I sign the petition to expell Toronto from Confederation? Clearly that city and its suburbs is inhabited by individuals whose average IQ hovers around room temperature
I have a slightly different take than Durham Reporter, who wrote: “It’s strange in a way that it takes a deep recession to turn a Liberal into a Conservative, not that Dalton is very far from the political center. It’s even stranger, or just plain sad, that politicians do their best work when you remove the possibility of winning another term.”
I think it’s commendable, in a sense, when a politician does his best work in such a circumstance. It’s easy enough for an outgoing politician to pile on the spending, and leave a legacy of having pleased different noisy groups, without thought for the future, or the next guy in office. By being responsible instead, an outgoing politician may end up being hated, but at least he’s trying to do the right thing.
That being said, I’m not sure McGuinty’s finished — did he announce his retirement, or something?
I’ll be surprised if the Liberals lose another Ontario election in my lifetime, the demographics are off the chart in their favour, and then there is the media. Harper’s the one not acting like a guy who will be around in a year, I call dibs on supporting John Weston as next Conservative leader.
“I’m just glad he’s finally doing the right thing…Its strange in a way that it takes a deep recession to turn a Liberal into a Conservative, not that Dalton is very far from the political center. ”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, that was good. He just introduced a huge tax increase, a huge deficit, and has been spending like it’s Boxing Day since he was elected, does this guy even live in Ontario?
In a budget meant to stimulate demand, he simultaneously introduced both billions in new stimulus spending *and* the one tax specifically designed to *decrease* demand, a consumption tax, on the service sector comprising 40% of the economy. Both, at the same time. In a quarter where GDP is forecast to drop 15%. It’s beyond parody.
EBD wrote: “leave a legacy of having pleased different noisy groups”
Overly-squeaky wheels that tend to turn in non-desired directions need to be replaced, not greased. Oops, car analogy.
As an Ontario conservative (not Conservative) who has completely despaired of the Conservative party here, I can tell you that McGuinty has an open hand to do whatever he wants. There is no credible opposition to the Ontario Liberals at this time.
So, if he has come to the realization that government has to take certain positions that might not be totally popular for his base, but are truly necessary, there’s no risk for him.
Meanwhile the Ontario PC party continues its slide to irrelevance. This week the Conservatives came out against the online sharing of information about public school demographics.
Principled conservatism? Hardly
First of all, they are only words coming out of mcliar’s mouth, and we all know how well he keeps his word….
Like zimbobrae before him, chimpy mcidiot has been spending like a drunk sailor on dollar day at the bordello. Ontario was sliding into recession(factor out the increases in gov’t hiring and spending, and we have been in recession for over 2 years)way before the global economic crisis hit. In fact, the global recession is providing that librano idiot with cover, while he provides lip service to our newly aquired “have-not” status, and continues his borrowing and spending spree.
Nope, sorry, I do not buy it….12% raise to the teachers, 36% increase in the number of trough wallower’s earning over 100K, $5 billion on windmill fantasy farms, etc, etc, etc.
I still don’t read a bloody thing in the Toronto rags about Mcguinty,s 8% tax on every GD thing from cradle to grave.And the Toronto liberal voters must just be all on welfare or are loaded with cash,because you hear them on all the blogs blasting PM Harper for everything,but when Mcguinty is going to put them in the poor house,,,NOTHING the big mouths clam up.SICKENING..Maybe the smart meter coming in January 2010 and raising electricity bills by hundreds of dollars every month will wake some of you up.
One thing for sure, McGuinty has made a fine mess of Ontario, it’s closer to a Commie state with all his regulations across the board. The economic downturn is a blessing for him, he was in one before the biggie hit so he’s being very cuddly with the Federal Conservative government trying to help his own image.
Funny and sad thing about Ontario is they love Liberals of all stripes. It matters not if they’re laden with scandals, boondoggles, scams, break promises as McGuinty is famous for, they’re still gonna get elected by the brain dead idiots in Ontario. It’s a mentality of “what’s in it for me” and “we’ll take it any way we can get it” that steers the voters in Ontario and Quebec.
I don’t know why people are so against the HST. Its a consumption tax is which by far a much fairer way to raise revenue. He is wrong in not providing an equal cut in income tax. People will always consume the max of their ability, look at the mess we are in. In the long run this will transfer the tax burden to people with more disposable income away from the ones who closer to the bone.
I don’t have a huge problem with McGinty. I disagree with some of his stuff and agree with some of his stuff. (It’ll be interesting who gets awarded the contract for the 2 new reactors – I think the decision is coming down in the next few weeks.)
Durham is a pretty conservative area. Even most of the auto workers I know are conservative. However, people developed a dislike for John Tory because of his religion schools flip-flop and the way he did it. He then lost a safe conservative seat to the liberals in a by-election because he asked the well liked mpp to step aside and the way he did it came across as dishonest. So in my opinion the conservatives’ stupid decisions are the reason the liberals are so strong.
I have a couple of lively polls going on if anyone cares to vote.
I agree with Ontarian – the Liberals will not lose in Ontario.
Ontario will be the new welfare state in Canada. It will have the highest tax rates, highest unemployment, and Toronto will add even more socialists. And many conservatives are tiring of this idiocy and moving west.
Some may state that the pathetically run PC party is the reason for long Liberal rule, but I disagree. At least 25% of the people of Ontario are Liberal lemmings. You’ve still got a large number of people here who absolutely detest Mike Harris. That’s because there’s so many people on the public teet, who’d get shut out should a premier similar to Harris gain rule.
The only chance to return normalcy to Ontario is to reduce the number of people paid directly by the taxpayer (e.g. government, teachers, auto workers, welfare recipients, etc.) to less than 25% of the voting population, but this is not occurring. In fact I believe commie mayor Miller is adding more than 1,000 jobs.
Another Common Sense Revolution is desperately needed here, but it ain’t happening.
“they’re still gonna get elected by the brain dead idiots in Ontario.”
Posted by: Liz J at April 9, 2009 7:58 AM
You are partially correct LIZ J.
The large metropolitan areas for sure vote leftist – either ND or Lib.
The rural areas still like conservatives.
Sadly the cities carry the day for the leftists.
Here on Oxford county we are strong conservative supporters.
Dave MacKenzie federally and Ernie Hardeman PC provincially.
Conservative’s worst nightmare of course remains the corrupt leftist Canadian MSM, totally ingrained in this country.
No national conservative MSM voice to counter the leftist lickspittle sh** eminating from corporate MSM.
Kingstonlad is correct – McGuinty is bankrupting the province and taking it places we’ll need a decade to recover from.
However, Liz J, its urban Ontario that loves the socialists, that’s because half of them are wealthy enough to survive the high taxes, and the other half have their hands out and survive on the largess of the state.
Too many people don’t contribute any income tax. But they can all vote to have the rest of us contribute more – a tipping point leading to disaster.
We in Ontario are in deep – actions by McGuinty, Harper’s neo-leftists and the Obama ‘regime’ have ensured the current economic crisis will devolve into a depression.
Given that no two economic crisis are the same, we need at least another year before the character of this one takes shape.
A lot can change in that year, rendering today’s re-electable Dalton into tomorrow’s Dead Dalton Walking. We can only hope.
A single glimmer on the horizon – all four aspirants to the Ontario PC Party leadership are right wingers. All that remains to decide, is what flavour of conservative the Party wants to take into the election.
Posted by: Ontarian at April 9, 2009 3:19 AM
Beautiful political synopsis, Ontarion! You are 100% correct *sigh*. Ontario dwellers are truly idiots to re-elect this socialist fool, but if sailed through the last election in the wake of the largest tax increase in the province’s history (oops! sorry: health care premium), what could topple him?
And you’re right: adding a consumption tax in the middle of some of the province’s worst economic times is the move of a maniac. Durham reporter, please try to understand: consumption taxes are fine IF people at large have the money to actually CONSUME things. They are useless when people are hunkered deeply in the “bunker” mentality. The scenario is getting altogether too close to what sub-urban.ca paints above:
…urban Ontario that loves the socialists, that’s because half of them are wealthy enough to survive the high taxes, and the other half have their hands out and survive on the largess of the state
We are in for a very rough ride.
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
Almost looks like he’s trying to show the government what “Conservatism” looks like…
He’s certainly a better conservative than that blowhard Danny “I’m gonna throw a tantrum” Williams.
MHB, you made my point in your post
“consumption taxes are fine IF people at large have the money to actually CONSUME things”
The lower income folks will alway consume less, whether its cars, big houses, meals out, etc… while the more affluent will. The tax burden is shifted away from lower income. Urbanites consume way more stuff than rural folks, produce more garbage, etc…, yet they pay the same level of income tax, how is that fair. That’s shy the budget lowered the rate for the bottom tax bracket.
I’ve never liked McGuinty, in fact I think he’s weasel and curse his name almost daily but I agree with him on harmonization even if I will pay a bit more for some things.
Durham Reporter, Dalton is not impressing me with his acumen, to say the least. As noted above, we have the windmill fiasco still burning money, he’s raising taxes with the sales tax when he should be lowering them, and the business tax reduction is a drop in the bucket.
Bottom line, companies are leaving Ontario in a steady trickle. Durham region is still doing pretty good. If you want to see what’s going to happen to you, take a cruise out to Hamilton, Kitchener, Guelph, Woodstock.
Hard core Liberal support is limited to the 416 area. Outside Toronto proper, in the ‘burbs if you will, people aren’t quite so sure about the way things are going. Once you leave the Mississauga to Pickering corridor, people are quite sure about how things are going: down hill.
The problem John Tory had is he wasn’t a Conservative. There’s nothing conservative about him, he’s strictly Liberal Lite. People outside Toronto want and need tax cuts, an end to the asinine web of regulations that add cost to everything we do, and we really, really need the cops to apply the laws -equally-.
As in they need to stop letting Indians get away with all the crap they’re doing these days with the cigarette smuggling, dope smuggling and car stealing. Those three criminal enterprises are HUGE in the Cornwall and Caledonia areas, and the McGuinty response has been to allow them to grow as fast as they can. Half the smokes in Ontario are smuggled. That’s not good. Those smokes are being sold -openly- in illegal roadside stands along #6 highway in Caledonia, and the stands have been there so long they’ve had to upgrade the little shacks a few times into permanent buildings.
People inside Toronto want better TTC service, more and better park services, and all the crazy expensive social programs they can think up. Dalton of course is paying attention to them, because that’s where the most people live.
Add this all up, we have a government which is ignoring major problems in our society at a very basic level, to focus on ephemera. This is not good governance.
Harmonization wasn’t McGuinty’s idea; it was Flaherty who constantly was asking him to do this.
As for Ontario being Liberal, as pointed out above, it’s because of the massive Toronto area population, where the majority are feeding off the government, either within civil service, academic, health care etc jobs; or are on some form of government assistance. They vote Liberal to keep that taxpayer money coming to them.
Small businesses can’t survive in the Toronto area; they can’t survive the high taxes, rentals, high transportation costs, added costs on everything from garbage pickup to parking, and inadequate services.
Phantom…you want to see lawlessness, check out the smoke shacks in Shannonville and just west of Deseronto….it is like something out of the wild west or Yukon gold rush.
These contraband cigs are being sold to our kids, and in the process it is exposing our kids to scumbags who sell meth, guns and crack. They attempt to lure our kids into prostitution, and fkface mcuseless sits in Queens Park and does nothing.
IT IS TIME FOR THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA TO ELIMINATE ALL TAXES ON CIGARETTES……NOW !
OUR CHILDREN ARE AT RISK, YOU STUPID, USELESS IDIOTS!
One more thing.
The only solution to the contraband ciggy “crisis”, yes, CRISIS, is the following:
1 – eliminate all taxes on tobacco
2 – enact legislation in the criminal code that gives out manadatory 5 year prison terms for selling contraband cigs to anyone under 18
This way, the adult smokers will go back to legitimate retailers who ID, and the scumbags who sell to our kids will go to prison instead of receiving a “slap” on the wrist.
It is the only solution !
I cant name the state, but I did see it on the ABC nightly news
A US state wants to put a special tax on Pop(soft drinks)
Why?
Because people are Obese and they are blaming Pop consumption, so tax them & they will stop drinking Pop.
Any bets Ontario or even Toronto introduces something similar.
Ontario should tax stupid. In that field they are a “have province”, and that is only counting Queen’s Park.
“And many conservatives are tiring of this idiocy and moving west.”
Yes they are and if “Our Fair Share” and the results of it, plus all the green sh*t they brought was any indication, the same old Ontario mentality is running this Alberta government as well.
They are NOT “conservative” by any means.
As I mentioned in my amazing, incredible, astounding you-gotta-read-it blog post yesterday, McGuinty has presided over the most perfect confluence of government STUPIDITY in 20 years here. And that’s really saying something in Ontario, the home of Stupid Government.
//phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/04/another-victory-for-cultural.html
Obscene taxes on smokes have created a massive demand for smuggled ciggies. FIDO policing of Indian reservations have created a perfect environment for smuggling, and a large workforce is available due to lots of welfare dorks sitting around.
Note that this is not a racist comment, there’s plenty plenty WASP welfare dorks running smuggled smokes into variety stores all over Ontario. Your corner store has one price for strangers, another price for guys they know. Nobody checks. FIDO.
Thus we have a government created opportunity to make really BIG money almost completely risk free, nurtured by police who have been flat out ordered to look the other way (cops will talk to you about this crap if you’re not Media, y’know) and held in place by the “cultural sensetivity” superstitions of people in Toronto.
Kingston’s point about the tax is correct. Lower the tax, eliminate the problem.
I disagree with the 5 year term though. Just bust the same a-holes every week for a year, they will slither back into their holes. Crime is an opportunistic enterprise persued by fundamentally lazy and stupid people. You make it unpleasant and difficult, they will go find something easier.
McGuinty is far from doing anything useful here. Observe that there are no smoke shops in the Hamilton regional police force jurisdiction, which falls quite close to the Reserve on the North side. The smoke shops are only found in OPP policed areas or on the actual reserve. I can only surmise that’s because the Hamilton cops are ordered to bust them every time they set up. OPP is ordered -not- to bust them. McGuinty calls the shots for the OPP and sets the tax rates. I’d say the conclusion pretty much draws itself, eh?
Too little, too late. Dalton has been running deficits since he got in, at first playing the blame game on the outgoing Eves government. He had a chance while times were good to rectify the deficit, and he blew it. He gave huge raises to all of his civil servant unions, spent recklessly, probably all the while thinking he could bring in a balanced budget towards the end of his term. Ontario’s manufacturing sector has been suffering and getting worse the entire time he’s been in office, and he’s done nothing about it. Now it’s coming back to kick him in the A$$.
This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with poisoning our children…..
I do not care what the skin color is of the douchebag selling the smokes….I want the douchebag to serve serious time for the crime they are committing……
nothing more, nothing less
BTW…I am part miqmaq
Phantom, why would you want to waste your time busting the same a-holes every week for a year, only to have them go find something easier. You know the something easier that they find will definitely be a job, it’ll be more shady activities. So throwing them in jail for 5 years sounds better. But even better than that, they should be shipped off to the far north to work a mandatory “community service” job building roads or something. A couple years of real hardship up there will make a real job seem appealing.
Harmonization wasn’t McGuinty’s idea; it was Flaherty who constantly was asking him to do this.
Since when did Dalton ever listen to anyone else? He only did it this time because Flaherty made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
The HST would go over easier though if Dalton lowered the provincial portion a percentage or two.
I am a fiscal conservative and economist. I joined the Common Sense revolution – helped in elections – donated. The party left me – I did not leave it – with John Tory. Just as Mulroney and Cambell left me and I joined Reform. Even as a consumer I agree with harmonizing the sales taxes – the savings for business plus the decrease in corporate taxes will make us start to be competitive. Consumers get a reduction of 1% in the initial Prov. tax level, = $386.00per annum for all tax payers. For some reason PC,s object – this is supposed to be the party that supports business. Then they oppose ranking schools and teachers – I gotta get out of here!
What a nanny state Ontario has become under the 6 1/2 years of McSlippery’s reign.
Next up under the “ban-it” category on April 22 almost all garden and lawn care products.
No more potato bug dust, concentrated Round-up, Killex, Weedex,malathion…you know the good stuff that works to kill bugs and weeds.
This may be a good thing for a Tarawna apartment dweller but NOT for a rural property owner.
Oh…how green we have become.
And broke.
You want an example of chimpy mcliar’s micro-management of our day to day lives?
We build and hold apartment buildings. At our main complex we have two 40 unit bldgs, with serviced land for a third. We initiated the process to begin construction(including spending 40 grand for culverts, etc)when all of a sudden, some jerkoff from Toronto decided that the type of indiginous trees that we were planting(to match the exisiting ones, I might add) were not up to spec.
They actually had the audacity to specify which type of tree we should plant(to make things even stupider, it is a tree not very common in these parts).
So, the result????? My father in law said screw this, put the plans on the shelf(for us to build when he is gone)and told the mclying libranos to go fk themselves.
– many jobs lost
– many purchases from local biz lost
– 40 affordable units geared to seniors lost
WELL DONE CHIMPY MCJERKOFF AND YOUR MERRY BAND OF THIEVING LIBRANOS…WAY TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY !
kingstonlad. why does anyone give a shit who smokes or doesn’t? how about freedom the single most important thing we have .
Comrade McGuinty’s socialist state waddles into the future proving that socialism is a stomach.
Here is the socialist stomach:
NDP stomach vs McGuinty stomach.
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“Bill on menu calorie counting moves to third reading
Ontario NDP Health Critic France Gelinas’ private members bill calling for restaurants to list calories on their menus and limit the amounts of trans fat passed second reading at Queens Park Thursday.” (ctv)
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“Metro – McGuinty wants Feds to tackle obesity issue
Ottawa should be more involved in fighting childhood obesity rather than having the provinces take action by forcing restaurants and schools to post calorie”
old white guy, they care because smoking costs lots of money in terms of health care. Lots of money they’d rather spend on their social engineering projects.
Mcdinkspot can go to hell
I think Ontario will vote for a conservative party, there just isn’t one available.
The PC party is liberal lite and that’s a guaranteed loser.
Hopefully the next leader will be more Harris and less Tory.
As for the GST harmonization, it probably wouldn’t be so bad if the provincial sales tax was dropped a couple of per cent. Fat chance of that happening.
Posted by: pete at April 9, 2009 7:32 PM
Pete, it cost the government far more to take care of seniors than dying smokers. And lets be serious, if everyone in Ontario quit smoking tomorrow the government isn’t going to live without those billions in tax dollars. They will find a new cause.
It’s all about some do-gooder sob telling you how to live you’re life.
Just a suggestion folks, if you hear anyone in your circle of friends, acquaintances or people you ride with on the bus biatch about the McF*cktard liberals, ask them for who they voted last provincial election. If the answer is “liberal” give them a big resounding STFU – anyone who voted liberal does not have the right to complain – they’re the ones who got us in this disgusting quagmire. We’re in this mess because too many Ontarians lack the brains god gave my yorkies to figure out that McGuinty was a sleazy liar. Where do I sign the petition to expell Toronto from Confederation? Clearly that city and its suburbs is inhabited by individuals whose average IQ hovers around room temperature
“Zimbobrae” … LOL