36 Replies to “There Are People Who Believe They’re Napoleon, Too”
Fake health ministers solving fake problems with fake solutions.
But not with fake munney.
Does Warren take credit for this part of the “win” also ?
Guillotine for the wretch!!There is only one Napoleon and it is I.
Wow,I just went and read the link. OMF’enG,the minister of Health does it with HIV men,WTF,why not put Homolka in charge of the Children’s Aid Society, she knows the pain of abused children.Just too weird.And back to topic,I really don’t think we should be paying for sex-changes. I don’t mind shelling out a few extra bucks to chop off these nut’s nuts,they really should never have the chance to reproduce,but who are they fooling but themselves, and that strange little man in the old beat-up corsica.What a wonderful world we live in!!!
But if we admit that people with gender issues may actually have mental illnesses… No, wait, it’s that they’re genetically predisposed… Oh. Then we can test for the gene in vitro? No, that’s no good. Hold on… Um… I’ve got it!
HUMAN RIGHTS! DISCRIMINATION! VICTIMHOOD!
Yeah, you know, look, if you have two X chromosomes and you want to dress like someone with a Y chromosome, or if you turn out to be relatively anormal per your distribution in other ways, or vice versa, Y v. X, fine, what do I care? Have we no Vaudeville? But, dang nab it, if, I think, one is trying to deny the reality of one’s whole chromosomes, then, sorry, and I don’t wish to be rude, but I don’t think that pretending the chromosome is otherwise is likely to be fruitful (in this case, no pun intended). I just don’t see how one can pretend to throw away that much genetic material and then pretend it doesn’t matter.
Maybe some day we will be able to uniformly replace a chromosome throughout a whole human body (though I doubt it, but I’ve been wrong before), yet until then I simply don’t see how one can have a “sex change”. To the degree that there are anomalies in the distribution, that is a matter of changing our understanding of the distrubution; it is not a matter of changing the definitions of the science of genetics.
If I wanted to be difficult, I’d say: get over it. But I don’t. So I won’t.
What is a conflict of interest anyway? A homosexual Minister of Health ruling on provincial funding of sex changes?
Ezekial 13:11 paraphrased:-
May God rain down hailstones every time they daub it with untempered mortar that it shall fail.
Ontario Health minister has sex with HIV positive men…
Health minister + sex with deadly sick men…
( shaking head in disbelief )
I am beginning to understand why Islamic radicals hate Western civilization…
I never thought I’d say this but… I think I am beginning to hate it myself.
Perhaps you give up too easily, Friend, which may be a problem in itself.
I love Kathy! Her fury makes up for the apathy in the rest of Ontario. Of couse this little policy was not discussed in the last Ontario election.Come to think of it…who knew health was a provincial matter during the last provincial election?…certainly not La La’tario.
Welcome back Kate.
I have to admit, I am puzzled. What in the hell does Napolean have to do with Kathy’s rant about sex change operations.
It’s a guy thing Brian. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say on more, say no more.
we know smitherman is a sexual deviant, he now wants us all to believe the i was born that way crap. sorry george but having the taxpayer pick up the tab for sex changes is nothing short of stupid. are all liberals this stupid?
Ahhh, the ever subtle Kathy……..still having a good chuckle here.
And Brian, re-read Kathy’s last line and then ask the question again.
Effing brilliant.
OHIP won’t cover the cost of a yearly eye exam but they’re more than willing to pick up the tab for new genitalia. Smitherman’s a disgrace.
How far down does this rabbit hole go?
So, one doctor says it is crap so jump on the bandwagon because it seems to jive with my social/political bent… I think not.
I am prepared to see more evidence before I make up my mind.
This discussion is no better than taking the pro-side of the Global Warming Debate. One scientist does not make a consensus.
Now, if someone would like to present some data, I will be pleased to read it and make up my own mind.
These are the same people who endlessly complain about being cash strapped for essential services, yet keep on adding to the menu selection for purely elective procedures.Once it becomes acceptable, then it becomes “essential” and the leviathan just grows and grows.
Golly, I wonder if we’ll now see an increased demand for this new “right”? If we do, it will just “prove” there was a market not yet being served efficiently.
Geoff, a homo sapien that has XY chromosomes is a male…a homo sapien that has XX chromosomes is female. If a particular homo sapien cannot square their vision of themselves to the FACT of their chromosomes, then it is NOT the physiological side that has problems, it is the psychological side.
How can it be anything different? What evidence do you need to see?
If there is a genetic problem with a person’s chromosomes that manifests itself as genital mismatching or indeterminate genitalia, then as a caring society we should take pity on the “mutants” and have society pay for sexual reassignment. But if they are just psychologically out-of-kilter, then absolutely not!
If we allow OHIP to pay for THAT, then I will claim that I am pretty boy trapped in an ugly boys body and I demand that the government pay for my plastic surgery…or I am a rich man in a poor man’s body and demand financial restitution from the government.
I know a sex change person…was a nice guy, but is now a nice “female” (who happens to still be sexually attracted to women…ergo, a lesbian trapped in a man’s body). I accept his decision and treat him no differently than before, but I will not celebrate his change.
Once again, as in other sexual matters, a misguided and distorted sense of kindness resulting in what is, ultimately, a cruelty.
Tough love is kinder.
One doctor? You mean, the one doctor in charge of assessing men for sex change operations at one of the most renowned US hospitals since the 1970s??
Yeah, you know better than him.
Meanwhile, liberals are still relying on the error-filled, biased data of one doctor, Kinsey, that was gathered in the 1950s from unscientific “studies” of prostitutes and ex-cons. Way to go, guys.
Nice one Kate -very funny. 🙂
If I decide not to take them up on the offer of a fake twat -can I get the money back as some form of tax refund?
Sorry to drag the discussion down to my level, but even South Park’s Mr. Garrison decided he’d made a mistake and switched back to manhood…probably not that easy in real life.
Finn and Howie, in particularly, and most of the posters, in general:
Right on. This is not what government is for. My “favorite” city, San Francisco, can’t come up with $100,000 to install adapters on its fire hydrants so that neighboring fire departments can use their hoses if their assistance is needed to fight fires (San Francisco has non-standard fire hydrants, for which I will not blame the current government), but it does have the money for sex-change operations for the employees of its city and county (SF is its own county, for which the residents of neighboring San Mateo county are no doubt grateful).
putting ford fenders on a chevy doesn’t make it a ford.
“OHIP won’t cover the cost of a yearly eye exam but they’re more than willing to pick up the tab for new genitalia. Smitherman’s a disgrace.”
In all fairness, the tab for maybe five or six sex-change operations a year (the expected takeup rate) may well be less overall than the accumulative tab for what would, in Ontario, probably be better than half a million eye exams a year.
But given that the fundamental principle of medicine is supposed to be the Hippocratic “First, do no harm,” I’ve never understood why genital mutilation surgery is permitted at all.
(No, strike that, I do – it’s because the “moral relativism” everybody goes on about really just boils down to one thing: sex. If the right to a desired orgasmic stimulant is at stake, anything and everything else goes by the wayside.)
Can’t give you names, Geoff, it’s too politically charged, but there are several of my colleagues, psychiatrists included, who believe it’s a load of bunk; that as Kathy points out sex reassignment simply feeds into a dysfunctional belief without really addressing the underlying psychopathology. The case for genetic mosaics or those born with ambiguous genitalia/testosterone resistance is very different and has to be handled case by case.
Here’s an article which presents a good summary of some of the physiology of the issue for those afflicted with ambiguous genitalia and should make it clear that it isn’t just one doctor who questions the validity of gender reassignment — and this even in the truly ambiguous cases (no pun intended):http://www.emedicine.com/ped/TOPIC1492.HTM.
What does the Ontario health act say about covering only “medically necessary surgeries”???
Of course Smitherman being gay and the Health minister and the health law being revised to accommodate a frivolous sexual fantasy have no relation what so ever…totally mutually exclusive factualities.
We here in the politically cleansed, all- inclusive vastness of the dystopian future know that it is impossible for officially recognized oppressed minorities to be biased or prejudiced or or vindictive or to even break laws…
I’m just glad ol’ “Furious George” isn’t making it mandatory…
DrD
thanks for a little clarity on the subject, as I feel the GAY haters in here are in full flight.
Tho’ I do not support this nonsensical medical waste, I do kno that sexuality is not only determined by th X and Y chromasome, there are other genetic factors to be considered.
To step out of the “sexual” field for an analogy into the psychological, “it is not who is sane or who is mad, but only to what degree”!!
That is indeed an excellent reference, DrD, thanks. There’s some interesting stuff about the genetics at Wikipedia too (yeah, yeah). The key issue to me it seems is the gender reassignment matter. I understand that exceptional genetic cases are exceptional genetic cases. And I think that if, say, a male feels sexually attracted to another male, it’s just not that big a deal. Once one takes away the current trendiness of it, and stops confusing homosexuality with the left-wing gay political movement, I think it’s a naturally rare enough brain-structure thing that I don’t think it’s that significant as a social issue.
What I do think, though, is that if, say, a male feels sexually attracted to another male, or if he feels that his interaction with reality has what might be classically called an unusually feminine nature to it, and thus he concludes that he is female and thus needs organ surgery, well, the way I see it, that’s just asking for trouble.
Say, I know, maybe they just need an imagination transplant 😉
People in Ontario:
Stop voting for the Socialist Liberals and Communist NDP’s, and you will not pay for such lunacy!
Until you get some cojones and elect a Conservative government, please stop your whining. Until then, who cares how many “twat’s” you are forced to pay for.
Is the concept, “you get what you vote for” that hard to comprehend?
Ontario’s health insurance plan will pay for “sex-change” operations for the first time in a decade…
Suckers……
“If you want to amputate a healthy body part, you are insane. Period. Please be insane on your own dime.”
I happen to feel the exact same way about using my tax dollars to treat those with lupus erythematosus.
Good thing one person’s opinion doesn’t determine public policy.
Fake health ministers solving fake problems with fake solutions.
But not with fake munney.
Does Warren take credit for this part of the “win” also ?
Guillotine for the wretch!!There is only one Napoleon and it is I.
Wow,I just went and read the link. OMF’enG,the minister of Health does it with HIV men,WTF,why not put Homolka in charge of the Children’s Aid Society, she knows the pain of abused children.Just too weird.And back to topic,I really don’t think we should be paying for sex-changes. I don’t mind shelling out a few extra bucks to chop off these nut’s nuts,they really should never have the chance to reproduce,but who are they fooling but themselves, and that strange little man in the old beat-up corsica.What a wonderful world we live in!!!
But if we admit that people with gender issues may actually have mental illnesses… No, wait, it’s that they’re genetically predisposed… Oh. Then we can test for the gene in vitro? No, that’s no good. Hold on… Um… I’ve got it!
HUMAN RIGHTS! DISCRIMINATION! VICTIMHOOD!
Yeah, you know, look, if you have two X chromosomes and you want to dress like someone with a Y chromosome, or if you turn out to be relatively anormal per your distribution in other ways, or vice versa, Y v. X, fine, what do I care? Have we no Vaudeville? But, dang nab it, if, I think, one is trying to deny the reality of one’s whole chromosomes, then, sorry, and I don’t wish to be rude, but I don’t think that pretending the chromosome is otherwise is likely to be fruitful (in this case, no pun intended). I just don’t see how one can pretend to throw away that much genetic material and then pretend it doesn’t matter.
Maybe some day we will be able to uniformly replace a chromosome throughout a whole human body (though I doubt it, but I’ve been wrong before), yet until then I simply don’t see how one can have a “sex change”. To the degree that there are anomalies in the distribution, that is a matter of changing our understanding of the distrubution; it is not a matter of changing the definitions of the science of genetics.
If I wanted to be difficult, I’d say: get over it. But I don’t. So I won’t.
What is a conflict of interest anyway? A homosexual Minister of Health ruling on provincial funding of sex changes?
Ezekial 13:11 paraphrased:-
May God rain down hailstones every time they daub it with untempered mortar that it shall fail.
Ontario Health minister has sex with HIV positive men…
Health minister + sex with deadly sick men…
( shaking head in disbelief )
I am beginning to understand why Islamic radicals hate Western civilization…
I never thought I’d say this but… I think I am beginning to hate it myself.
Perhaps you give up too easily, Friend, which may be a problem in itself.
I love Kathy! Her fury makes up for the apathy in the rest of Ontario. Of couse this little policy was not discussed in the last Ontario election.Come to think of it…who knew health was a provincial matter during the last provincial election?…certainly not La La’tario.
Welcome back Kate.
I have to admit, I am puzzled. What in the hell does Napolean have to do with Kathy’s rant about sex change operations.
It’s a guy thing Brian. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say on more, say no more.
we know smitherman is a sexual deviant, he now wants us all to believe the i was born that way crap. sorry george but having the taxpayer pick up the tab for sex changes is nothing short of stupid. are all liberals this stupid?
Napoleon: The missing link courtesy Citoyen Dion.
http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~morin/misc/np/
Ahhh, the ever subtle Kathy……..still having a good chuckle here.
And Brian, re-read Kathy’s last line and then ask the question again.
Effing brilliant.
OHIP won’t cover the cost of a yearly eye exam but they’re more than willing to pick up the tab for new genitalia. Smitherman’s a disgrace.
How far down does this rabbit hole go?
So, one doctor says it is crap so jump on the bandwagon because it seems to jive with my social/political bent… I think not.
I am prepared to see more evidence before I make up my mind.
This discussion is no better than taking the pro-side of the Global Warming Debate. One scientist does not make a consensus.
Now, if someone would like to present some data, I will be pleased to read it and make up my own mind.
These are the same people who endlessly complain about being cash strapped for essential services, yet keep on adding to the menu selection for purely elective procedures.Once it becomes acceptable, then it becomes “essential” and the leviathan just grows and grows.
Golly, I wonder if we’ll now see an increased demand for this new “right”? If we do, it will just “prove” there was a market not yet being served efficiently.
Geoff, a homo sapien that has XY chromosomes is a male…a homo sapien that has XX chromosomes is female. If a particular homo sapien cannot square their vision of themselves to the FACT of their chromosomes, then it is NOT the physiological side that has problems, it is the psychological side.
How can it be anything different? What evidence do you need to see?
If there is a genetic problem with a person’s chromosomes that manifests itself as genital mismatching or indeterminate genitalia, then as a caring society we should take pity on the “mutants” and have society pay for sexual reassignment. But if they are just psychologically out-of-kilter, then absolutely not!
If we allow OHIP to pay for THAT, then I will claim that I am pretty boy trapped in an ugly boys body and I demand that the government pay for my plastic surgery…or I am a rich man in a poor man’s body and demand financial restitution from the government.
I know a sex change person…was a nice guy, but is now a nice “female” (who happens to still be sexually attracted to women…ergo, a lesbian trapped in a man’s body). I accept his decision and treat him no differently than before, but I will not celebrate his change.
Once again, as in other sexual matters, a misguided and distorted sense of kindness resulting in what is, ultimately, a cruelty.
Tough love is kinder.
One doctor? You mean, the one doctor in charge of assessing men for sex change operations at one of the most renowned US hospitals since the 1970s??
Yeah, you know better than him.
Meanwhile, liberals are still relying on the error-filled, biased data of one doctor, Kinsey, that was gathered in the 1950s from unscientific “studies” of prostitutes and ex-cons. Way to go, guys.
Nice one Kate -very funny. 🙂
If I decide not to take them up on the offer of a fake twat -can I get the money back as some form of tax refund?
Sorry to drag the discussion down to my level, but even South Park’s Mr. Garrison decided he’d made a mistake and switched back to manhood…probably not that easy in real life.
Finn and Howie, in particularly, and most of the posters, in general:
Right on. This is not what government is for. My “favorite” city, San Francisco, can’t come up with $100,000 to install adapters on its fire hydrants so that neighboring fire departments can use their hoses if their assistance is needed to fight fires (San Francisco has non-standard fire hydrants, for which I will not blame the current government), but it does have the money for sex-change operations for the employees of its city and county (SF is its own county, for which the residents of neighboring San Mateo county are no doubt grateful).
putting ford fenders on a chevy doesn’t make it a ford.
“OHIP won’t cover the cost of a yearly eye exam but they’re more than willing to pick up the tab for new genitalia. Smitherman’s a disgrace.”
In all fairness, the tab for maybe five or six sex-change operations a year (the expected takeup rate) may well be less overall than the accumulative tab for what would, in Ontario, probably be better than half a million eye exams a year.
But given that the fundamental principle of medicine is supposed to be the Hippocratic “First, do no harm,” I’ve never understood why genital mutilation surgery is permitted at all.
(No, strike that, I do – it’s because the “moral relativism” everybody goes on about really just boils down to one thing: sex. If the right to a desired orgasmic stimulant is at stake, anything and everything else goes by the wayside.)
Can’t give you names, Geoff, it’s too politically charged, but there are several of my colleagues, psychiatrists included, who believe it’s a load of bunk; that as Kathy points out sex reassignment simply feeds into a dysfunctional belief without really addressing the underlying psychopathology. The case for genetic mosaics or those born with ambiguous genitalia/testosterone resistance is very different and has to be handled case by case.
Here’s an article which presents a good summary of some of the physiology of the issue for those afflicted with ambiguous genitalia and should make it clear that it isn’t just one doctor who questions the validity of gender reassignment — and this even in the truly ambiguous cases (no pun intended):http://www.emedicine.com/ped/TOPIC1492.HTM.
What does the Ontario health act say about covering only “medically necessary surgeries”???
Of course Smitherman being gay and the Health minister and the health law being revised to accommodate a frivolous sexual fantasy have no relation what so ever…totally mutually exclusive factualities.
We here in the politically cleansed, all- inclusive vastness of the dystopian future know that it is impossible for officially recognized oppressed minorities to be biased or prejudiced or or vindictive or to even break laws…
I’m just glad ol’ “Furious George” isn’t making it mandatory…
DrD
thanks for a little clarity on the subject, as I feel the GAY haters in here are in full flight.
Tho’ I do not support this nonsensical medical waste, I do kno that sexuality is not only determined by th X and Y chromasome, there are other genetic factors to be considered.
To step out of the “sexual” field for an analogy into the psychological, “it is not who is sane or who is mad, but only to what degree”!!
That is indeed an excellent reference, DrD, thanks. There’s some interesting stuff about the genetics at Wikipedia too (yeah, yeah). The key issue to me it seems is the gender reassignment matter. I understand that exceptional genetic cases are exceptional genetic cases. And I think that if, say, a male feels sexually attracted to another male, it’s just not that big a deal. Once one takes away the current trendiness of it, and stops confusing homosexuality with the left-wing gay political movement, I think it’s a naturally rare enough brain-structure thing that I don’t think it’s that significant as a social issue.
What I do think, though, is that if, say, a male feels sexually attracted to another male, or if he feels that his interaction with reality has what might be classically called an unusually feminine nature to it, and thus he concludes that he is female and thus needs organ surgery, well, the way I see it, that’s just asking for trouble.
Say, I know, maybe they just need an imagination transplant 😉
People in Ontario:
Stop voting for the Socialist Liberals and Communist NDP’s, and you will not pay for such lunacy!
Until you get some cojones and elect a Conservative government, please stop your whining. Until then, who cares how many “twat’s” you are forced to pay for.
Is the concept, “you get what you vote for” that hard to comprehend?
Ontario’s health insurance plan will pay for “sex-change” operations for the first time in a decade…
Suckers……
“If you want to amputate a healthy body part, you are insane. Period. Please be insane on your own dime.”
I happen to feel the exact same way about using my tax dollars to treat those with lupus erythematosus.
Good thing one person’s opinion doesn’t determine public policy.