1) YAY!
2)This author seems very intent on blaming the internet and the “decline” of the US economy for the plummeting sales of the NY Slimes.
Problem the first, the Internet this guy’s talking about has been here for a while, Like since Drudge broke the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Seems like yesterday, but it has been over ten years. Likewise eBay and Craigslist didn’t just get born yesterday.
Problem the second, the economy ain’t declining that much, and the NY Slimes has been sliding down its own slime trail for several years now. During a huge economic boom in fact, which arguably only ended in August 2007.
So WTF, Mr. Economist sir? If it ain’t just the Internet and the “economy” that’s driving customers away in droves (12.5% drop in advertising revenue? Holy crap, Batman!) then could it possibly be a QUALITY ISSUE?!!!!
Like, after ten years of accessible fact checking, people don’t believe the hype anymore? Could it be? Like maybe after ten years of articles like this one in The Economist getting shot down in flames, people are smelling the burning JP4 and saying “Gee, why should I read bullsh1t with my morning coffee every day?”
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
Incidentally, way to go AQS for the good eye.
heh! from ‘atheist quebecois separatiste’ to boot?
( think he’s warming up to us. 😉 )
Kate and others like her are the new news source of the day, AND for more in depth look at issues that are more interesting than the latest “impaired glitter bug” antics or “their” words of wisdom for the world…
Clearly, to be informed at a higher level, one needs to read these blogs.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Additional financial information about Torstar (the Toronto Star’s parent company): “Publishing company Torstar Corp. reported a first-quarter loss on Wednesday, hurt by weak newspaper revenues and a hefty restructuring charge.” “Torstar, which publishes the Toronto Star daily newspaper and the Harlequin line of romantic novels, said it lost $3.5-million, or 4 cents a share, compared with a year-earlier profit of $15.7-million, or 20 cents a share.”
“This was a difficult quarter for our newspaper businesses as both revenue and earnings were down. The earnings decline was magnified by a substantial restructuring charge in the newspaper division,” Robert Prichard, Torstar president and chief executive, said in a release.” http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=482393
Any newspaper can increase circulation.
All it has to do is be interesting … and cut out the self-righteous tone.
Do you think its because after we hear time and time again about the stories they do not want to cover?
How does the old song go,
“How you gonna keep em down on the farm
now that they’ve seen Parie.”
Also if you go to Alexa and compare SDA with the dream team of lefty MSM writers at the Winnipeg freepress well SDA rocks. 🙂 http://www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/
If you browse the headlines you will soon figure out why, yeeeech.
“Toronto Star daily newspaper and the Harlequin line of romantic novels”
Heh. Romance novels. I guess that’s where they train their journalists to report fondly on Castro and Chavez…
Although every political stripe likes to point out the failings of MSM to understand their own POV …. the reality is that these dinosaurs are too long of the opinion that their role is to shape the public perception of the world.
As we’ve been saying all along …. we just want the facts and enough relevant background to make up our own minds.
Time after time a minimal amount of research reveals that what the mainstream are pushing is NOT the whole story but rather their own version of reality and in the worst cases simply pandering to sentiment or political position.
This unwillingness to hold themselves to a better standard or to show and real integrity is the ROOT of their failing.
The fact that are so weak just tends to lead them into the realm of leftarded world view.
Reality is a stone bitch!
I used to look forward to reading the National Post every day when Conrad Black ran it. When it had content that challenged the traditional Lib/left dogman pumped out in virtually all other outlets. It was a breath of fresh air.
I still enjoy the act of reading a newspaper, but frankly there is not one out there that I would subscribe to, including the watered down center left Post. As the Phantom said so well, I dont like BS with my coffee.
If the Post would return to its roots and embrace conservatism with the vigour that the CBC, Torstar and G&M promote radical leftism, I would happily re subscribe.
Spiking Don Martins column would be a good start.
Beefing up the NYT’s business section to help, please, the WSJ and IBD have that niche to themselves and do a great job.
No matter how they try to arrange the deck chairs on that Titanic, it’s still going down. Perhaps if the NYT’s had decided to actually cover the Iraq war and this election with impartiality, pleased readers by having no political agenda and doing straight reporting of facts and not committed so many egregious reporting errors they might have had an edge in a declining industry.
I just want the damn facts from any of these journalism idiots, a concept alien to journalism schools for the past couple of decades. It’s been one big jail break since the internet came along. Free at last.
The only way the Post will change is if the owner’s change and the only reason they aren’t as left as the rest is there is no more room. The Probe and Fail occupies the left and the only revenue generating area that remains is on the right. The Post’s owners are hard-core liberals as was their Daddy.
The NYT claim to fame was the sheer volume of the weekend edition. (makes a good bed for the homeless)
I’d say most public consumption print media is in trouble. Ask Quebecor.
p and p:
Quebecor World, whose business is commercial printing, just lost $2.2 billion.
As far as I understand, the newspaper part of the Peledeau empire is still profitable, especially in western Canada.
Can West, I believe, is in a more tenuous financial position since it dropped its affiliation with Canadian Press.
I used to get the Post until the likes of Kinsilly and Copps’s opinions started showing up.If I wanted the left’s opinions I would just turn on the T.V. and listen to any news channel,be it local or national.
Is the Newspaper’s problem a fatal one for them ? First clue;
Most of their own commenters often ridicule the articles. (Most of their own readers !! And that is after going through the filter !)
When one is being rediculed & laughed at, it is all over. Hopeless. Can not be saved. Don’t waste your breath.
What gets forgotten is that the blogs and the news aggregators depend on the existence of these dinosaurs.
A recent entry I saw somewhere, I think Steyn, said that the time spent from a link has declined ie. we click on a link, read the article and get out. Without these dinosaurs keeping some of the clicks to pass on through for their advertisers they get no benefit from the internet side.
That being said, they need to provide material that people want to read. The declines are overwhelmingly at liberal/lefty media where there is an overabundance of the same old same old.
Warwick: I believe Harlequin is the big money earner for Torstar. Says something about the paper.
OMMAG: “As we’ve been saying all along …. we just want the facts and enough relevant background to make up our own minds.”
I also like informed commentary even if I don’t often agree with the columnist. Too often I get ill thought out diatribes with obvious biases.
Angus Reid Poll (for what it’s worth)
The Public’s ratings for the professions. (You guess, whether ascending or descending order)
Doctors . 94
Police .. 83
Teachers 83 (*)
Judges . 72
Priests . 61
Journalists 49 (*)
Lawyers .. 44 (^)
Politicians 25 (#)
(* Kyoto/Global Warming exposure likely caused the huge drop)
(^ HRC association ?)
(# Down from 61 since Adscam, 1994)
From same article – guess who said this;
“One of the reasons is that everybody (in politics) spends too much time running everybody else down,”
Bob Rae
Professions rating link
T Star http://www.thestar.com/article/420675
Angus Reid link http://www.angusreidstrategies.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=news&newsid=219
Notice how the TO-Star article left out this part;
“The professionals who endured the most noticeable slump are journalists. In 2008, less than half of all respondents say they have a great deal or a fair amount of respect for journalists (49%), compared to 73 per cent in 1994.” AR
Washington Post profit drops 39% http://tinyurl.com/6s54en
The Associated Press
May 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM EDT
McLEAN, Va. — — The Washington Post Co. [WPO-N] on Friday reported a 39 per cent drop in first quarter profit, hurt by an early retirement program charge at Newsweek and a continued loss of revenue from its newspapers.
A guy is sitting at a bar knocking them back like they were water. The bartender asked him why the heavy drinking. He said “I’ve been in divorce court all day answer questions from my X-wife’s lawyer”. After a while the guy is quite sloshed. He stands up on his bar stool and shouts at the top of his voice “All lawyers are a$$holes!!!!” A drunk at the end of the bar pipes up and retorts “Hey, nuff o’that kind of talk buddy”. To which the first guy says “Oh, and I shuppose you’re a lawyer then?” “Hell no, I’m an a$$hole.”
Man, now if gas prices would fall as quickly.
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As one who regularly comes here for entertainment and sometimes to lift my spirits (just when I think it couldn’t get worse I read the drooling rightards who comment on this blog and I think again), I have a couple of comments.
Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. Secondly, I do wish the right would at least be able to make finer distinctions than it does with any political ideology with which it disagrees.
The Left is not a catchall term for those who live in cities, of for anyone who understands the bible allegorically and as a weapon of love, not hate, or for anyone who is aware that this is the year 2008. The Left is not synonymous with Liberals, nor with the MSM (calling the Toronto Star a Lefty paper is a travesty to anyone who takes the term seriously. Just because someone refuses to wear a mullet, or speedos, or acid wash jeans, or drink crappy beer, or cheer for a loser hockey team does not automatically mean he/she is of the Left. She could be Liberal, or Green Libertarian, or even apolitical. Same goes for someone who refuses to beat up his spouse, or swarm gay men, or make fun of immigrants, or spend the weekend stroking his rifle. A person who refuses these things could well be, in your jargon, a leftard, but he/she could also not be.
Anyway, I respect the incessant vitriol against and hate for “The Left” espoused on this blog. Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian. Otherwise people might also begin to mischaracterize the right.
Although these days Harpecrites and I have something in common. We both support leaders who believe we should be talking to the Taliban. I knew Taliban Steve would come around.
As one who regularly comes here for entertainment and sometimes to lift my spirits (just when I think it couldn’t get worse I read the drooling rightards who comment on this blog and I think again), I have a couple of comments.
Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. Secondly, I do wish the right would at least be able to make finer distinctions than it does with any political ideology with which it disagrees.
The Left is not a catchall term for those who live in cities, of for anyone who understands the bible allegorically and as a weapon of love, not hate, or for anyone who is aware that this is the year 2008. The Left is not synonymous with Liberals, nor with the MSM (calling the Toronto Star a Lefty paper is a travesty to anyone who takes the term seriously. Just because someone refuses to wear a mullet, or speedos, or acid wash jeans, or drink crappy beer, or cheer for a loser hockey team does not automatically mean he/she is of the Left. She could be Liberal, or Green Libertarian, or even apolitical. Same goes for someone who refuses to beat up his spouse, or swarm gay men, or make fun of immigrants, or spend the weekend stroking his rifle. A person who refuses these things could well be, in your jargon, a leftard, but he/she could also not be.
Anyway, I respect the incessant vitriol against and hate for “The Left” espoused on this blog. Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian. Otherwise people might also begin to mischaracterize the right.
Although these days Harpecrites and I have something in common. We both support leaders who believe we should be talking to the Taliban. I knew Taliban Steve would come around.
bill stewart. it is the lies and liberal socialist bias that is hurting the print media. the internet is also helping to push them down. it is becoming fairly simple to find news and facts around the world.
Bill Steward, you trashed your own virtucratic(as in I speak from a position of moral superiority) polemic on lefty stereotypes use here by embedding conservative ones. Way to go.
Mort Zuckerman and Rupert Murdoch are not dummies and they are buying newpapers with strong brand recognition. So the economist’s theme of poor economy as the root cause is bogus (no surprise to me – the economist has been moving steadily to left for sometime now with a sky-is-falling message loop). These failing papers are failing because they are letting their politics get in the way of providing honest and compelling content. MZ and RM know this and are buying them up at what will be seen as fire-sale prices a few years from now.
“Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian.”
If I understand that correctly — I agree !
As I have posted many times; there is a world of differnce between a ‘left carpenter, construction worker’ and the ‘Latte Left’. One litterally puts a roof over our heads. The other moves in for the free lunch and then bitches that it is causing global warming.
considering that the right wing is more literate than the great unwashed that the lefty rags preach to, how can they not figure that their readership will decline as the right stops reading and the union types wont buy what they cant read.
Ron in Kelowna
“”””””‘left carpenter, construction worker’ and the ‘Latte Left’.””””
I’v “worked” construction, and the lefties are the union types, not the worker types:-)))))))
She wasn’t going to jail, she told me that very clearly. She told me she would commit suicide,” Dan Moldea told Time Magazine. “She had done time once before [for prostitution],” Moldea recalls. “And it damn near killed her. She said there was enormous stress — it made her sick, she couldn’t take it, and she wasn’t going to let that happen to her again.”
The fact that the corporate media has given Moldea’s claim a thousand times more attention than our recorded interview with Palfrey – in which she unequivocally states that she would never commit suicide on multiple occasions – and treated his words as gospel, tells its own story.
We have the audio tape in which Palfrey states, “No I’m not planning to commit suicide, I’m planning on going into court and defending myself vigorously and exposing the government.”
What does Moldea have apart from a history of fabricating quotes and his own agenda?
I can still remember the short wave radio broadcasts of BBC news which my father used to tune in when I was young. They were relatively short, very succinct, very precise and virtually free of editorializing. Adjectives used in the news casts tended to be quantitative and never emotionally laden. Opinion pieces and discussions which followed the news were plainly announced as opinion pieces.
There was a near reverence for those news casts in our house. Everything came to a stop. Everyone had to listen. Play could resume once the news was over. That commitment to the unvarnished, ungilded, unspun facts is dead. As the MSM have attempted to out sell, out perform, and out bamboozle the carney hucksters so the value of their product has tanked. The old BBC could have withstood the most rigorous of fact checking because that quality control was self imposed. The existing MSM has hit a perfect storm of being exposed to rigorous quality control via the internet at exactly the time their commitment to it is at its ebb. They’ve debased themselves below the value of the one cent piece which isn’t worth bending over to pick up off the sidewalk.
Bill Stewart wrote:
“Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. ”
Then proceeds to shoot himself in the foot by posting his rant twice. Way to go Bill!
Dr.D …. Amen bro.. 😉
Jay hits on an overlooked point about relying on the dinos for reporting. Indy journalists can cover the slack in the world hotspots selling their wares to a wireservice or posting directly online. Local news is easy, just show up with a camera and pad&pen and a mike and jacket with BQY news emblazoned on it and who will say anything? Throw a party at your place and get the wheels and nuts primed and spilling their guts about the real stuff of their horrendous lives and bribes, failures, kickback schemes, skeletons,.. and post it on the net, Yeeeeweeeee!
thing is where does the money come from?
Funny that. Noticed how EVERY rag in Canuickstan today had something to say about the “murder” of 500 mallards at EXXON’s Aurora mine (not Syncrude’s) north of Ft. Mac. Even PMSH opened his yap. Yet not one word (well OK 630 CHED carried it) about Stelmach’s response that, yes it was bad,but what about the 70,000 birds killed annualy in Western Canada by wind farms? Just whose side are the Greenies/MSM on?
Bill Stewart – I guess you haven’t been around this blog. One thing that gave you away was you hit the “post” twice. (typically impatient leftard) and, two, you probably just got back from your vacation in Cuba. Man, thats some case of verbal diarrhea you got from being in that commie country.
“Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian.”
Ummmm,Billy Bob. I thought at first you meant “confused”,but upon re-reading,you had it right the first time.
And just what IS a “democratic socialist”????
More of this evolution bull kaka i mean now their claiming they have proof that birds and dinosuars are related what a load of bull crap from NATIONAL GEOGRAFAKE i mean a few years ago they come up with this rediculous model of a creature which they claimed was the missing link between birds and dinosoars it was later exposed as a fake AND IM GOING TO GET VIOLENT WITH THEM EVOLUTIONISTS FLAKES IM GOING TO PICK OUT THEIR EYES SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK
To those who called me on the double posting, touché.
“And just what IS a “democratic socialist”????”
Stephen Lewis.
Democratic Socialists, unlike Bill Blair Third Way Labour movements or even increasingly the NDP in this country, still struggle towards a socialist revolution, but through democratic means rather than violent overthrow. Also unlike Social Democrats, we have not made peace with capitalism and continue to see capitalism (as well as patriarchal relations of power) as the root cause of many of the problems of the world.
Hey!!!
What’s wrong with cheering for a loser hockey team, and stroking your rifle on week days.
So Bill.Just another commie trying to use a different name Same shit,same pile. Never trust anything with :socialist: in it. so tell be Billyboy.When you have destroyed capitalism,how you going to survive. You sure as f55k arne,t getting any of my heat/food,and that’s a promise. But you be contributing to your dream of depopulation by dying off quicker,like the left of your loony toon buddies.
Hooray for the New Media!
You said it first!They are stealing your analogy!
1) YAY!
2)This author seems very intent on blaming the internet and the “decline” of the US economy for the plummeting sales of the NY Slimes.
Problem the first, the Internet this guy’s talking about has been here for a while, Like since Drudge broke the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Seems like yesterday, but it has been over ten years. Likewise eBay and Craigslist didn’t just get born yesterday.
Problem the second, the economy ain’t declining that much, and the NY Slimes has been sliding down its own slime trail for several years now. During a huge economic boom in fact, which arguably only ended in August 2007.
So WTF, Mr. Economist sir? If it ain’t just the Internet and the “economy” that’s driving customers away in droves (12.5% drop in advertising revenue? Holy crap, Batman!) then could it possibly be a QUALITY ISSUE?!!!!
Like, after ten years of accessible fact checking, people don’t believe the hype anymore? Could it be? Like maybe after ten years of articles like this one in The Economist getting shot down in flames, people are smelling the burning JP4 and saying “Gee, why should I read bullsh1t with my morning coffee every day?”
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
Incidentally, way to go AQS for the good eye.
heh! from ‘atheist quebecois separatiste’ to boot?
( think he’s warming up to us. 😉 )
Kate and others like her are the new news source of the day, AND for more in depth look at issues that are more interesting than the latest “impaired glitter bug” antics or “their” words of wisdom for the world…
Clearly, to be informed at a higher level, one needs to read these blogs.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Phantom I like your comments and on the face of it your facts look good.
But consider this – if you are a member of the leftwing nutroots, the NY Slimes probably isn’t moonbatty enough for you. As a result, to get even ‘yellower’ journalism, you go on the net to visit Common Dreams, Rabble, or play with the Kos Kids.
I think the author is entirely correct; paper is an obsolete news media.
Much as I like to see the Slimes get what they give…the time to really rejoice is when the leftwing blogs and internet sites start going into decline as well.
Ah well. One chitbird at a time I guess.
Additional financial information about Torstar (the Toronto Star’s parent company):
“Publishing company Torstar Corp. reported a first-quarter loss on Wednesday, hurt by weak newspaper revenues and a hefty restructuring charge.”
“Torstar, which publishes the Toronto Star daily newspaper and the Harlequin line of romantic novels, said it lost $3.5-million, or 4 cents a share, compared with a year-earlier profit of $15.7-million, or 20 cents a share.”
“This was a difficult quarter for our newspaper businesses as both revenue and earnings were down. The earnings decline was magnified by a substantial restructuring charge in the newspaper division,” Robert Prichard, Torstar president and chief executive, said in a release.”
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=482393
Any newspaper can increase circulation.
All it has to do is be interesting … and cut out the self-righteous tone.
Do you think its because after we hear time and time again about the stories they do not want to cover?
How does the old song go,
“How you gonna keep em down on the farm
now that they’ve seen Parie.”
Also if you go to Alexa and compare SDA with the dream team of lefty MSM writers at the Winnipeg freepress well SDA rocks. 🙂
http://www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/
If you browse the headlines you will soon figure out why, yeeeech.
“Toronto Star daily newspaper and the Harlequin line of romantic novels”
Heh. Romance novels. I guess that’s where they train their journalists to report fondly on Castro and Chavez…
Although every political stripe likes to point out the failings of MSM to understand their own POV …. the reality is that these dinosaurs are too long of the opinion that their role is to shape the public perception of the world.
As we’ve been saying all along …. we just want the facts and enough relevant background to make up our own minds.
Time after time a minimal amount of research reveals that what the mainstream are pushing is NOT the whole story but rather their own version of reality and in the worst cases simply pandering to sentiment or political position.
This unwillingness to hold themselves to a better standard or to show and real integrity is the ROOT of their failing.
The fact that are so weak just tends to lead them into the realm of leftarded world view.
Reality is a stone bitch!
I used to look forward to reading the National Post every day when Conrad Black ran it. When it had content that challenged the traditional Lib/left dogman pumped out in virtually all other outlets. It was a breath of fresh air.
I still enjoy the act of reading a newspaper, but frankly there is not one out there that I would subscribe to, including the watered down center left Post. As the Phantom said so well, I dont like BS with my coffee.
If the Post would return to its roots and embrace conservatism with the vigour that the CBC, Torstar and G&M promote radical leftism, I would happily re subscribe.
Spiking Don Martins column would be a good start.
Beefing up the NYT’s business section to help, please, the WSJ and IBD have that niche to themselves and do a great job.
No matter how they try to arrange the deck chairs on that Titanic, it’s still going down. Perhaps if the NYT’s had decided to actually cover the Iraq war and this election with impartiality, pleased readers by having no political agenda and doing straight reporting of facts and not committed so many egregious reporting errors they might have had an edge in a declining industry.
I just want the damn facts from any of these journalism idiots, a concept alien to journalism schools for the past couple of decades. It’s been one big jail break since the internet came along. Free at last.
The only way the Post will change is if the owner’s change and the only reason they aren’t as left as the rest is there is no more room. The Probe and Fail occupies the left and the only revenue generating area that remains is on the right. The Post’s owners are hard-core liberals as was their Daddy.
The NYT claim to fame was the sheer volume of the weekend edition. (makes a good bed for the homeless)
I’d say most public consumption print media is in trouble. Ask Quebecor.
p and p:
Quebecor World, whose business is commercial printing, just lost $2.2 billion.
As far as I understand, the newspaper part of the Peledeau empire is still profitable, especially in western Canada.
Can West, I believe, is in a more tenuous financial position since it dropped its affiliation with Canadian Press.
I used to get the Post until the likes of Kinsilly and Copps’s opinions started showing up.If I wanted the left’s opinions I would just turn on the T.V. and listen to any news channel,be it local or national.
Is the Newspaper’s problem a fatal one for them ? First clue;
Most of their own commenters often ridicule the articles. (Most of their own readers !! And that is after going through the filter !)
When one is being rediculed & laughed at, it is all over. Hopeless. Can not be saved. Don’t waste your breath.
What gets forgotten is that the blogs and the news aggregators depend on the existence of these dinosaurs.
A recent entry I saw somewhere, I think Steyn, said that the time spent from a link has declined ie. we click on a link, read the article and get out. Without these dinosaurs keeping some of the clicks to pass on through for their advertisers they get no benefit from the internet side.
That being said, they need to provide material that people want to read. The declines are overwhelmingly at liberal/lefty media where there is an overabundance of the same old same old.
Warwick: I believe Harlequin is the big money earner for Torstar. Says something about the paper.
OMMAG: “As we’ve been saying all along …. we just want the facts and enough relevant background to make up our own minds.”
I also like informed commentary even if I don’t often agree with the columnist. Too often I get ill thought out diatribes with obvious biases.
Angus Reid Poll (for what it’s worth)
The Public’s ratings for the professions. (You guess, whether ascending or descending order)
Doctors . 94
Police .. 83
Teachers 83 (*)
Judges . 72
Priests . 61
Journalists 49 (*)
Lawyers .. 44 (^)
Politicians 25 (#)
(* Kyoto/Global Warming exposure likely caused the huge drop)
(^ HRC association ?)
(# Down from 61 since Adscam, 1994)
From same article – guess who said this;
“One of the reasons is that everybody (in politics) spends too much time running everybody else down,”
Bob Rae
Professions rating link
T Star http://www.thestar.com/article/420675
Angus Reid link http://www.angusreidstrategies.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=news&newsid=219
Notice how the TO-Star article left out this part;
“The professionals who endured the most noticeable slump are journalists. In 2008, less than half of all respondents say they have a great deal or a fair amount of respect for journalists (49%), compared to 73 per cent in 1994.” AR
Washington Post profit drops 39%
http://tinyurl.com/6s54en
The Associated Press
May 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM EDT
McLEAN, Va. — — The Washington Post Co. [WPO-N] on Friday reported a 39 per cent drop in first quarter profit, hurt by an early retirement program charge at Newsweek and a continued loss of revenue from its newspapers.
A guy is sitting at a bar knocking them back like they were water. The bartender asked him why the heavy drinking. He said “I’ve been in divorce court all day answer questions from my X-wife’s lawyer”. After a while the guy is quite sloshed. He stands up on his bar stool and shouts at the top of his voice “All lawyers are a$$holes!!!!” A drunk at the end of the bar pipes up and retorts “Hey, nuff o’that kind of talk buddy”. To which the first guy says “Oh, and I shuppose you’re a lawyer then?” “Hell no, I’m an a$$hole.”
Man, now if gas prices would fall as quickly.
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As one who regularly comes here for entertainment and sometimes to lift my spirits (just when I think it couldn’t get worse I read the drooling rightards who comment on this blog and I think again), I have a couple of comments.
Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. Secondly, I do wish the right would at least be able to make finer distinctions than it does with any political ideology with which it disagrees.
The Left is not a catchall term for those who live in cities, of for anyone who understands the bible allegorically and as a weapon of love, not hate, or for anyone who is aware that this is the year 2008. The Left is not synonymous with Liberals, nor with the MSM (calling the Toronto Star a Lefty paper is a travesty to anyone who takes the term seriously. Just because someone refuses to wear a mullet, or speedos, or acid wash jeans, or drink crappy beer, or cheer for a loser hockey team does not automatically mean he/she is of the Left. She could be Liberal, or Green Libertarian, or even apolitical. Same goes for someone who refuses to beat up his spouse, or swarm gay men, or make fun of immigrants, or spend the weekend stroking his rifle. A person who refuses these things could well be, in your jargon, a leftard, but he/she could also not be.
Anyway, I respect the incessant vitriol against and hate for “The Left” espoused on this blog. Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian. Otherwise people might also begin to mischaracterize the right.
Although these days Harpecrites and I have something in common. We both support leaders who believe we should be talking to the Taliban. I knew Taliban Steve would come around.
As one who regularly comes here for entertainment and sometimes to lift my spirits (just when I think it couldn’t get worse I read the drooling rightards who comment on this blog and I think again), I have a couple of comments.
Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. Secondly, I do wish the right would at least be able to make finer distinctions than it does with any political ideology with which it disagrees.
The Left is not a catchall term for those who live in cities, of for anyone who understands the bible allegorically and as a weapon of love, not hate, or for anyone who is aware that this is the year 2008. The Left is not synonymous with Liberals, nor with the MSM (calling the Toronto Star a Lefty paper is a travesty to anyone who takes the term seriously. Just because someone refuses to wear a mullet, or speedos, or acid wash jeans, or drink crappy beer, or cheer for a loser hockey team does not automatically mean he/she is of the Left. She could be Liberal, or Green Libertarian, or even apolitical. Same goes for someone who refuses to beat up his spouse, or swarm gay men, or make fun of immigrants, or spend the weekend stroking his rifle. A person who refuses these things could well be, in your jargon, a leftard, but he/she could also not be.
Anyway, I respect the incessant vitriol against and hate for “The Left” espoused on this blog. Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian. Otherwise people might also begin to mischaracterize the right.
Although these days Harpecrites and I have something in common. We both support leaders who believe we should be talking to the Taliban. I knew Taliban Steve would come around.
bill stewart. it is the lies and liberal socialist bias that is hurting the print media. the internet is also helping to push them down. it is becoming fairly simple to find news and facts around the world.
Bill Steward, you trashed your own virtucratic(as in I speak from a position of moral superiority) polemic on lefty stereotypes use here by embedding conservative ones. Way to go.
Mort Zuckerman and Rupert Murdoch are not dummies and they are buying newpapers with strong brand recognition. So the economist’s theme of poor economy as the root cause is bogus (no surprise to me – the economist has been moving steadily to left for sometime now with a sky-is-falling message loop). These failing papers are failing because they are letting their politics get in the way of providing honest and compelling content. MZ and RM know this and are buying them up at what will be seen as fire-sale prices a few years from now.
“Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian.”
If I understand that correctly — I agree !
As I have posted many times; there is a world of differnce between a ‘left carpenter, construction worker’ and the ‘Latte Left’. One litterally puts a roof over our heads. The other moves in for the free lunch and then bitches that it is causing global warming.
considering that the right wing is more literate than the great unwashed that the lefty rags preach to, how can they not figure that their readership will decline as the right stops reading and the union types wont buy what they cant read.
Ron in Kelowna
“”””””‘left carpenter, construction worker’ and the ‘Latte Left’.””””
I’v “worked” construction, and the lefties are the union types, not the worker types:-)))))))
She wasn’t going to jail, she told me that very clearly. She told me she would commit suicide,” Dan Moldea told Time Magazine. “She had done time once before [for prostitution],” Moldea recalls. “And it damn near killed her. She said there was enormous stress — it made her sick, she couldn’t take it, and she wasn’t going to let that happen to her again.”
The fact that the corporate media has given Moldea’s claim a thousand times more attention than our recorded interview with Palfrey – in which she unequivocally states that she would never commit suicide on multiple occasions – and treated his words as gospel, tells its own story.
We have the audio tape in which Palfrey states, “No I’m not planning to commit suicide, I’m planning on going into court and defending myself vigorously and exposing the government.”
What does Moldea have apart from a history of fabricating quotes and his own agenda?
I can still remember the short wave radio broadcasts of BBC news which my father used to tune in when I was young. They were relatively short, very succinct, very precise and virtually free of editorializing. Adjectives used in the news casts tended to be quantitative and never emotionally laden. Opinion pieces and discussions which followed the news were plainly announced as opinion pieces.
There was a near reverence for those news casts in our house. Everything came to a stop. Everyone had to listen. Play could resume once the news was over. That commitment to the unvarnished, ungilded, unspun facts is dead. As the MSM have attempted to out sell, out perform, and out bamboozle the carney hucksters so the value of their product has tanked. The old BBC could have withstood the most rigorous of fact checking because that quality control was self imposed. The existing MSM has hit a perfect storm of being exposed to rigorous quality control via the internet at exactly the time their commitment to it is at its ebb. They’ve debased themselves below the value of the one cent piece which isn’t worth bending over to pick up off the sidewalk.
Bill Stewart wrote:
“Please don’t stutter like Jim above. It’s hard enough reading it once. ”
Then proceeds to shoot himself in the foot by posting his rant twice. Way to go Bill!
Dr.D …. Amen bro.. 😉
Jay hits on an overlooked point about relying on the dinos for reporting. Indy journalists can cover the slack in the world hotspots selling their wares to a wireservice or posting directly online. Local news is easy, just show up with a camera and pad&pen and a mike and jacket with BQY news emblazoned on it and who will say anything? Throw a party at your place and get the wheels and nuts primed and spilling their guts about the real stuff of their horrendous lives and bribes, failures, kickback schemes, skeletons,.. and post it on the net, Yeeeeweeeee!
thing is where does the money come from?
Funny that. Noticed how EVERY rag in Canuickstan today had something to say about the “murder” of 500 mallards at EXXON’s Aurora mine (not Syncrude’s) north of Ft. Mac. Even PMSH opened his yap. Yet not one word (well OK 630 CHED carried it) about Stelmach’s response that, yes it was bad,but what about the 70,000 birds killed annualy in Western Canada by wind farms? Just whose side are the Greenies/MSM on?
Well, a lot of cattle have turned into cats.
Cat Herding ad (Super Bowl … 6 or 7 years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmgLtg1Izw
Bill Stewart – I guess you haven’t been around this blog. One thing that gave you away was you hit the “post” twice. (typically impatient leftard) and, two, you probably just got back from your vacation in Cuba. Man, thats some case of verbal diarrhea you got from being in that commie country.
“Just don’t confound a democratic socialist with a Liberal, or a Green Libertarian.”
Ummmm,Billy Bob. I thought at first you meant “confused”,but upon re-reading,you had it right the first time.
And just what IS a “democratic socialist”????
More of this evolution bull kaka i mean now their claiming they have proof that birds and dinosuars are related what a load of bull crap from NATIONAL GEOGRAFAKE i mean a few years ago they come up with this rediculous model of a creature which they claimed was the missing link between birds and dinosoars it was later exposed as a fake AND IM GOING TO GET VIOLENT WITH THEM EVOLUTIONISTS FLAKES IM GOING TO PICK OUT THEIR EYES SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK
To those who called me on the double posting, touché.
“And just what IS a “democratic socialist”????”
Stephen Lewis.
Democratic Socialists, unlike Bill Blair Third Way Labour movements or even increasingly the NDP in this country, still struggle towards a socialist revolution, but through democratic means rather than violent overthrow. Also unlike Social Democrats, we have not made peace with capitalism and continue to see capitalism (as well as patriarchal relations of power) as the root cause of many of the problems of the world.
Hey!!!
What’s wrong with cheering for a loser hockey team, and stroking your rifle on week days.
So Bill.Just another commie trying to use a different name Same shit,same pile. Never trust anything with :socialist: in it. so tell be Billyboy.When you have destroyed capitalism,how you going to survive. You sure as f55k arne,t getting any of my heat/food,and that’s a promise. But you be contributing to your dream of depopulation by dying off quicker,like the left of your loony toon buddies.