Again*, you global warmists: how much colder would you like it to be?”
La Nina and Pacific Decadal Oscillation Cool the Pacific
The cool water anomaly in the center of the image shows the lingering effect of the year-old La Niña. However, the much broader area of cooler-than-average water off the coast of North America from Alaska (top center) to the equator is a classic feature of the cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO).
Anthony explains – “If we are lucky, this PDO will be a short event. 2-4 years. If we are unlucky its the full monty phase switch, at 20-30 years.”
More at that well-known denialist website known as NASA.
The shift in the PDO can have significant implications for global climate, affecting Pacific and Atlantic hurricane activity, droughts and flooding around the Pacific basin, the productivity of marine ecosystems, and global land temperature patterns. “This multi-year Pacific Decadal Oscillation ‘cool’ trend can intensify La Niña or diminish El Niño impacts around the Pacific basin,” said Bill Patzert, an oceanographer and climatologist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. “The persistence of this large-scale pattern [in 2008] tells us there is much more than an isolated La Niña occurring in the Pacific Ocean.
The link to Anthony’s article is broken, Kate (it has an embedded break). It should be:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/nasa-pdo-flip-to-cool-phase-confirmed-cooler-times-ahead/
Thanks, Vit. Fixed.
Can see Hansen’s last-gasp finger prints on the last paragraph.
I hope colder years, like those of the 60s & 70s, are not coming back !! They were no fun.
If, as the evidence suggests, we are actually in for a period of global cooling, I’m very, very, happy that it’s happening so soon after Suzuki and Gore have been seen popping veins and spewing spittle berating us all for causing “global warming”. The public backlash on high fuel prices and food shortages for poor people is just icing on the cake.
Welcome to the real world results of leftard social policy being implemented on a global scale.
Two years may not a trend make… however, last spring and summer were cooler and wetter than ‘normal’ and this year isn’t looking any better.
Today on Vancouver Island – a high of just over 7 degrees and a hailstorm. A double digit high is still something of a rarity.
Well, if the cold is going to be bitter, don’t forget the woodstove when you are packing your bible and your gun.
I often wondered about those pictures of people digging out steam engines in the 40s and 50s. Didn’t see any of the same in the 70’s and new it couldn’t be related to changing steam for diesel electric. But who would have thunk it? A cold period starting in the 40’s – maybe a cold period starts with a bit more snow than usual. Maybe we’ll see the same now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see snow in Vancouver!
Yet another instance of PDOA (Public Displays of Oceanic Anomolies) ‘seen’ and then interpreted as a predictor of global climate change in favour of suggesting that global warming is some how ‘not’ settled science? In this case a PDOA that leaves one ‘fridged’ upon the viewing.
I boldy suggest we leave all PDOAs to the realm of science and scientists and discussions of how cold the 60s were to biographies of the likes of Timothy Leary & Boby Dylan…the answer my friend is not ‘blowing in the wind’. However, there is most certainly some wind passing around here:).
I lived in northern Alberta in the mid 1950’s and I remember my father having to light a fire under the outside propane tank so that we could have heat in the house. I was only 3 years old then and it didn’t occur to me until many years later how cold it was during those winters (-42 C or lower). This type of cold is not something I’m looking forward to again. Fortunately during the cold period of the 1950’s and early 1960’s the meme of AGW did not exist, natural gas was dirt cheap and I spent many pleasant winters next to a heat vent reading science fiction. I really wonder how the AGW fanatics are going to convince people during the next few years to not heat their homes in winter to prevent global warming.
Yup, climate change. I am not quite old enough to have skated on Lost Lagoon in Stanley Park but I know people who did.
Climate changes. Hotter, colder: it happens. With a little luck the current cold will abate. Otherwise there will be shinny on the ponds of the nation. Kinda like what we see on the back of our $5.00 bill.
Bad news for the denialists: Al Gore has not been all over Western Canada recently so we’ll have to blame the weather.
Keep it up, Kate. Your work casting scientifically-legitimate doubt after scientifically-legitimate doubt, particularly in terms of proof, is very inconvenient to the “global warmists”, very annoying to them.
But be warned: They, due to hurt feelings, might enlist your law suitor Mr. Warman to lodge a complaint against you with the HR star chambers, somehow claiming that you’re “likely expose them to hatred and contempt” in raising questions, doubts and contradictory scientific evidence against their propagandist agenda.
But please do continue the fight against the Big Lie. After all, you and I and everyone else are a-hurtin’ under the burden of out-of-control price inflation in the energy and food sectors, which is demonstrably their (enviro-fascists’) fault…
If we don’t fight the Big Liars, we might end up under the thumb of some kind of de-facto global socialist government who’d promise to “take care of” us all, whatever “take care of” really means (could be code, and whenever the Left promises nice sounding stuff I get very worried)…
Never fear, John Cross will soon be along to explain that no matter how much La Nina and PDO cool the atmosphere, it will still warm the earth. He’s never measured heat given off by a cooler object being absorbed by a warmer object, but his faith tells him it has to be true.
No old hoss, they will blame it on carbon dioxide emissions …remember..it has to have that man-made implication to lay on the guilt.which is the foundation for the cult and the taxes are how we pay penance.
OR ol hoss,John may just start saying that we are still warmer than the last ice age,which ended when the natives finally figured out that burning more wood produced more heat,thus keeping them alive longer,but producing more evil CO2.
And yes. We will stop pointing out one or two cold anomalies as proof of global cooling,when the AGW cultists stop pointing out one or two warm anomalies as proof of AGW disaster!
Once again the world is a complex place. Even if AGW was happening then the AGW crowd has to admit that natural phenomenon can wash out these “man made disasters”. That on its own is enough to take all the “hot air” out of kyoto.
It wouldnt shock me that CO2 causes some warming but it also wouldnt surprise me that it is only at the margins as opposed to being a driver.
Point…we still dont understand enough and taking radical action, one way or another, is ridiculous and based only on superstition and belief not on science.
Lets be rational human beings and not irrational islanders who need to throw virgins in the volcanoe every time it rumbles.
Go long on Long John futures . . . you’ll be rich.
So….who are the real deniers now?
Anyone seen any sunspots lately?
Will someone please have a talk with, to or at John Baird, our Enviro guy.
I know it takes courage when the ‘heat’ is on but there has to be a limit to how far we can go with this farcical scam.
Cleaning up on pollution where it spews makes total sense but shutting down our economy while China takes our business and continues to pollute big time is nuts. Canada is very low on the pollution scale in the first place.
In the meantime, while we await the arrival of common sense, pardon us for breathing.
all part of the master plan of Al Gore and Dr.Mengele Suzuki. now we have diverted our food supply to biofuel a little crop failure should doom the poor of the world to a quick death. less folks less “grin ‘ouse gizzes” as the lib leader used to say.
As of April 1 Al Gore has started a 300 million dollar global warming ad campaign.
Where did the money come from? His own pocket? Donations? Govt? I’d like to know
I have been watching the sea surface temperatures in the pacific since La Nina started. I saw it get stronger then weaken. about two weeks ago I noticed at the site below that a cool water anomaly was appearing off the coast of Peru. I also noticed for the first time that the horse shoe of cool water was extending from Japan to
Alaska to California and all the way thru to Borneo and ending up at the coast of Africa.
Now we finally have the big boys/girls telling us what we have been telling them for a long time, that the climate is changing but not in the direction they have been mis-directing us.
It is going to be harder and harder for the warmists to maintain control of the adgenda as this information gains traction. I am off to some warmist sites not to see if the scat has hit the fan yet, and to see how they explain this one. I will probably read something about weather is not climate, or, a few years is not long enough to establish a trend. Anyways I put some plants in my unheated greenhouse yesterday and it went down to minus 3.2 degrees C this morning… onto plan B now.
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.4.28.2008.gif
“Tuesday, April 29, 2008
The Ice Age Approaches
Madely in the Morning – 8:40am — Steve Madely is joined by Phil Chapman. Chapman is the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut and a geophysicist now living in San Francisco. He warns of an approaching ice age.”
http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Phil_Chapman_Apr29.mp3
Isn’t the ignorance of science among the right amazing. The energy for global warming is still in there, it doesn’t just magically disappear when one of the ocean currents changes its course.
First of all, if you go to NASA and look up PDO, it tells you this is not going to affect the global climate. It also tells you that the west will suffer from a shorter growing season and drought.
It’s called GLOBAL warming for a reason.
Looking at the map, I couldn’t help but chuckle how NASA labels both the regularly occurring el Nino and the PDO – (translation: repeats itself on a predictable timetable) as “anomalies.
Talk about still torquing the argument to support the Warmonger theorists.
Well Bob,
Al Gores money came from his investment in ‘Google Inc.’
Or, sinisterly enough…perhaps it came from his ‘shorting’ long-jons….Not that I”m into those jons…just saying is all.
I think it’s time to simply than Al Gore, David Suzuki and others for saving us from global warming.
All evidence points to them having succeeded brilliantly and now we would be interested in seeing them move on to their next career.
Now that we are saved, let’s stop putting carbon taxes on our food and fuel and start reducing all taxes now so we can get on with saving our cooling economy.
Well Bob,
Al Gores money came from his investment in ‘Google Inc.’
Or, sinisterly enough…perhaps it came from his ‘shorting’ long-jons….Not that I”m into those jons…just saying is all.
I hate to point out the obvious, but we conservatives do pride ourselves on being more honest than the lefties. Right next to the cold-water anomaly on that map is a much larger warm-water anomaly. So, I’m not sure this data has much to say about the legitimacy of the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.
The flawed (Local) weather predictions of NASA resulted in the Challenger disaster.
WTF do we need NASA in our every day lives.
The GW Trend depends on the Linier properties of material physics (like Mercury), that theory is not implemented “well” in the non-linier real world. Wacko theory of accuracy that doesn’t exist.
Stephen @ 7:52; Very well said. Whatever force man exerts on climate can’t compete with the forces of nature. I find it ironic that it’s largely the so called environmentalists who don’t seem to understand that.
bob c: It’s called Illusion of control!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_control
I dream of the day I’ll be able to add a See Also link on that page to “mitigating climate change” and it won’t be taken down for not being ‘neutral’ enough.
In the words of Kate;
“As if elevating weather to news status wasn’t enough.”
Too funny!
Hugger
ol hoss: no, John Cross will soon be along to explain that if you shine 190 watts/m2 on an object it must either absorb, reflect or transmit it. Of course I doubt he would get an answer since the last time he asked this there was only silence!
Regards,
John
Measurement as proof, please.
Yesterday, Suzuki et al congratulated the BC Government on implementing a carbon tax BEFORE it was actually tabled in the legislature. Talk about collusion between the BC Liberals and the looney left when there is sufficient prior knowledge to allow preparation of a press release before supposedly knowing the details. I was a member of the party as part of the “Unite the Right” movement when the BCLibs were “small ‘c’ conservatives”, but I have ripped up my membership card. Hail yesterday, just above freezing early this morning – on Vancouver Island! Now what do we do to keep the Left Coast out of the idiotically leftist hands?
I don’t wish a lousy cool summer on the western contributors to this forum but I can’t help thinking it would be some kind of natural justice served up by Gaia to those nasty types at Desmogblog. The perpetrators of this web site operate out of Vancouver’s Hoggan PR firm, Suzuki’s official flacks, and on Suuzki’s behalf have made a career out of trying to smear the reputations of respectable scientists who question the AGW hypothesis. (It must be hard for them to keep up the mud-slinging these days since there seems to be so many sceptical scientists coming forward.)
The mental image of Desmoggers scurrying through the summer streets of Vancouver under umbrellas wearing their woolies makes me smile.
I want Glob Al warming. Glob algore promised me that the North would unfreeze and now I want my warm weather!! I am entitled to live in a warmer climate, what part of PROMISED does Unca Mo and his minions (Gore, Sazuki, Taliban Jack, Deyawn, Desept, grrenpiece et al) not understand? These fools have ruined the weather, they have been decrying Mother Nature and now ‘she’ is in a big snit. We, the people, must FORCE the Glob AL Warming fools to issue an apology and just hope that Mother Nature is a Conservative with compassion….’she’ might let us off the hook – ONCE – and allow us to have some summer; every year, in Canada.
Global warming may ‘stop’, scientists predict
Global warming will stop until at least 2015 because of natural variations in the climate, scientists have said.
Researchers studying long-term changes in sea temperatures said they now expect a “lull” for up to a decade while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
Cal2 – good comment which I agree with. The Next Leap Forward famine’s coming soon.
Now NASA’s constructed a straw man with long term “Pacific Cooling” to blame if there’s no clear signs of GW in the coming years: “According to Josh Willis, JPL oceanographer and climate scientist, “These natural climate phenomena can sometimes hide global warming caused by human activities“…”
There’s seemingly no escape from this wacky Weather Armageddon religion.
JMD: Thanks for the bit on Desmogblog. I read it fairly regularly and couldn’t agree with you more.
Perfect !!
Natural Pacific cooling delays Man Made Global Warming by ten years — huh ?
Gotta hand it to the Snake Oil Salespeople. They are masters of the Con-Artist profession.
Don’t admit you are wrong.
Adamantly claim it is still coming, just wait.
Allow the media spin masters a way out.
Quietly slither away.
Deny, Deny, Deny.
Enjoy your $Millions at exotic tropical resorts.
Think of the next Latest & Greatest scam.
Do not appear as a guest on Coaches Corner.
Well, in the blog era, they WLL be held accountable. Too much evidence in the archives, including this site’s.
Better make some back-ups Kate — could be a raid coming 🙁
Well let the good times roll! Since the AGW crowd have predicted universally bad things to happen from global warming, surely they can predict all the good things that will happen from global cooling. Earth will be a veritable garden of Eden. Hurricanes will decrease, food production will increase, droughts will disappear, floods will lessen. Whatever will the MSM have to srite about?
Of course I doubt he would get an answer since the last time he asked this there was only silence!
Regards,
John
Posted by: John Cross at April 30, 2008 1:02 PM
That’s what they do when they have no reasonable argument or supported rebuttal. Head bobbing is more their style.
Every time the hostess with the mostess blogs up another weather report, the same 20 or so deniers start beaking up the same stuff they beaked up the time before. Never mind the evidence, never mind the weight of science and scientific opinion. Never mind reality. They and only they are RIGHT! la la la, they don’t hear you!
Well John, I commend you for your patience, and your knowledge. Not everyone has their fingers in their ears.
From the Land of the Rising Sun, and Ocean
Hugger
Heh, with Hugger on your side, John, you don’t need enemies. I suspect some sort of chemical imbalance. Likely self-administered.
Yep johnny, you have the huggrifter on your side!
…which means the IQ level over there just dropped significantly. And he’s an anti-semite, too.
1.6 degrees cooler by 2030.
Big Deal. My mens night golfing was supposed to start tonight. zero degrees and raining/snowing. But I hear AGW on Saturday.
Posted by: ol hoss at April 30, 2008 5:21 PM
Now Hoss, I tol you not to be a drinkin’ that thar Red Eye! That stuff ud rot the brain out of a ape..
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