Where the foxes caper unmolested, the government packs your school lunch and the EU muses about dividing up the spoils…
The new European plan splits England into three zones that are joined with areas in other countries.
The “Manche” region covers part of southern England and northern France while the Atlantic region includes western parts of England, Portugal, Spain and Wales.
The North Sea region includes eastern England, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands and parts of Germany.
A copy of the map, which makes no reference to England or Britain, has even renamed the English Channel the “Channel Sea”.
Before you conquer, you divide.
Bloody amazing!
Seems like a waste of time to me since England and the various countries involved are all going to end up as part of the UMMAH, why bother ?
As it’s St Georges Day today, remember
“There’ll always be an England”
What Napolean and Hitler failed to do, a couple of beaurocratic-euro weenies in Brussels can do with a pen.
How times have changed
What difference does it make.With the way the muzzies are starting to take control England won’t be worth anything anyway.
Horny Toad
Britain is already part of the middle east, but with not virgins to speak of.
When sharia law takes effect the head hackers will have career opportunities getting rid of the millions of gays and lesbians.
I will be investing in machete futures.
John V. If you’re not Lucy, I’m hoping that you’re just a bad comedian.
I looked at the comments and some Canadian had blathered on about how Canada is becoming the fifty first state. At least he did tell England to fight back, so I guess that he’s half right.
The European Union represents the ultimate victory of the fascist movement. Hitler dreamt of a European Union under German leadership, and damn near succeeded. Stalin and successive Soviet leaders dreamed of a European Union under Soviet leadership. Today’s EU is both bolder and bigger than either dictator dreamed of. It happened by stealth, without the force of arms and with full cooperation of collaborationist governments, and it is slowly but surely depriving Europeans of their long-held freedoms and liberties, one regulation at a time. Nazi German, Fascist Italy and Soviet Russia were run by bland, face-less bureaucrats who were just as happy to consign thousands of humans to servitude or death as they were to make the trains run on time. Brussels is full of the same. Each new regulation that comes out is one more stab of the knife into the dying body of western enlightenment. I wish my relatives in Germany all the best. They’re going back to the future, and remain clueless.
Anon,
My sentiments exactly, Napoleon and Hitler would be proud.
It’s happening here too, each new ban on something, each new law limiting something – a loss of freedom and ultimate servitude to the bureaucracy of the enlightened.
The sad thing is the MSM is a cheerleader (as uninformative as usual)and the political class is more than willing to preen in front of the cameras for showing off the good work they are doing to protect us. Meanwhile the special interest groups just don’t get it – their ox will be gored soon too.
Maybe the EU can entice the Brits into submission with a new dental plan?
Love the Pogues
I had to say it before someone else beat me to the punch:)
Reading news every day on what is happening to Britain is like watching a ship sink slowly,
Fascinating and sad at the same time…
How revolting…there shall ALWAYS be an England! An England that is free!
In ten years time, which will be more formidable. England as an independent country? Or the EU?
England’s decline precedes this map. In fact they havent had anything to smile about since Germany surrendered – twice – first in 1945 then in 1966. And if any of you know a damn thing about England, you will know what the reference to 1966 is. The vast majority of you armchair Brits wont. Mostly because you have nothing to do with Britain. Apart from offer the odd disparaging comment.
The EU is the future of Europe for one simple reason – without it, none of the European countries are going to have the clout to deal with the Indias and Chinas and Brazils of the world. England 60 years after the war is a shadow of England a 100 years ago.
Theres ill-concieved notions of sovereignty that are based in idealism – and people with their heads in the clouds, such as yourselves subscribe to this view.
The ones who face reality know that age-old maxim: United we stand, divided we fall. But thats probably rocket science on this board.
IDIOTS
This board is rocket science compared to anon 2’s shallow thinking. This person appears to have a conservation problem, as in Piagetian developmental theory: six year old sees picture of a leaf lying horizontally, then a picture of the same leaf “standing” vertically. Which one is longer? The six year old, who hasn’t learned to conserve, will say “the one standing up”.
anon 2 shows signs of not being able to conserve: big is better even if it’s stupid, totalitarian, repressive, and dangerous, and, via top-down regulation—one size fits all—obliterates the unique and priceless identity of each, individual country in the EU, thus making them all vulnerable to threats, both external and internal.
So, anon 2, let’s talk maxims: I call it divide and conquer.
I think anon 2 needs to start thinking in more than one dimension.
Sovereignty came into existence in 1648, give or take a couple of years. Its not that old a concept.
“big is better even if it’s stupid, totalitarian, repressive, and dangerous, and, via top-down regulation—one size fits all—obliterates the unique and priceless identity of each, individual country in the EU,”
Change “individual country” to “ethnic group” and “the eu” to “Canada”, and you will get that famous Canadian institution – multiculturalism. That said, nobody’s destroying the culture of anyhting. Give us an example of this dangerous “top-down regulation”. Prey what has the EU done that is not in the interests of the citizens of the EU. Sure they ve dismantled borders, but Europe’s economy has emerged stronger for it with professionals able to move at will rather than be isolated by archaic notions of sovereignty.
“thus making them all vulnerable to threats, both external and internal.”
?????? How so? Please explain. I assume the internal threat comes from either the Muslims, or the fascistic totalitarian government? And the external threat? A European military acting in tandem is better than a bunch of inidividual ones, one would assume, or at least thats the assumption underlying NATO.
Sovereignty came into existence in 1648, give or take a couple of years. Its not that old a concept.
“big is better even if it’s stupid, totalitarian, repressive, and dangerous, and, via top-down regulation—one size fits all—obliterates the unique and priceless identity of each, individual country in the EU,”
Change “individual country” to “ethnic group” and “the eu” to “Canada”, and you will get that famous Canadian institution – multiculturalism. That said, nobody’s destroying the culture of anyhting. Give us an example of this dangerous “top-down regulation”. Prey what has the EU done that is not in the interests of the citizens of the EU. Sure they ve dismantled borders, but Europe’s economy has emerged stronger for it with professionals able to move at will rather than be isolated by archaic notions of sovereignty.
“thus making them all vulnerable to threats, both external and internal.”
?????? How so? Please explain. I assume the internal threat comes from either the Muslims, or the fascistic totalitarian government? And the external threat? A European military acting in tandem is better than a bunch of inidividual ones, one would assume, or at least thats the assumption underlying NATO.
and awww, lookout, you sound like that child who got made fun of at school for saying a pound of iron weighs more than a pound of wool. My sympathies.
All this shows is that the same idiots who created Iraq, Turkey, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia (and Israel!) after the war are still in business.
And Greater Hamilton, Greater Toronto, blah blah blah.
Just because you change the names on a map and frig around with the compartmentalization of governments doesn’t mean you’ve changed anything on the ground.
Have a look at the condition Russia is in right now. The Soviets killed how many millions trying to get all those “republics” to line up, and we see how well three generations of terror have worked to create unity.
I wish the EU (pronounced “ew”) luck with their brilliant Manche Region plan. Divided by 11 miles of water no less. Genius!
Anon2 says: “Give us an example of this dangerous “top-down regulation”.”
CHRC. Gun registry. There’s two for you right there, you want more I charge by the hour.
“CHRC. Gun registry. There’s two for you right there, you want more I charge by the hour.”
I should have specified that I meant that question in the EU context, not Canada. That said though, if you (collective you, not just you phantom) were to apply this anti-EU argument to Canada then I assume you would support Quebec et al being independent states? Is this an Albertan ploy for independence?
Multiculturalism has been a disaster for this country. Our Judeo-Christian, British heritage, the foundation on which both our democracy and our rule of law—what’s left of it—are based, has been obliterated in favour of every two-bit functionary’s dream, the nanny state, secular socialism: “Our citizens are free to say and do what we want them to.” Individualism and freedom, be damned. (Brussels is a good parallel.) Divide and conquer. anon 2, this issue has been discussed here countless times.
As a Canadian of European (British) stock, who also happens to be a Christian, the Charter of Rights (sic) and Freedoms—more like of Fights and Fiefdoms—has disenfranchised me and millions of others, in favour of special rights for favoured groups. The Canadian Charter and the HRCs have been used to confer special rights on some groups and to bludgeon certain other groups in this country. And if you don’t know what I’m talking about, you should probably keep your opinions to yourself.
Your thinking is more truncated than I thought. I’d imagine you’re a product of our cookie cutter, substandard, left-wing public education system: “You’re free to believe what we do”. Perhaps you only watch CBC and read the Star, both of which represent a Canada that only exists in their fevered little brains. Like yours, it seems.
EU context? Metric system. The EU is just another level of socialist micromanagement on top of an already over-managed continent.
Quebec and all the provinces should enjoy -less- government, not a turbocharged provincial one.
Less government, less taxes, less regulation, and fewer -levels- of government.
Frankly I’d say having just federal and county would be a major step in the right direction, eliminate provincial altogether. Federal runs the army and not much else, county fixes the roads and not much else.
No more Quebec, no more Alberta, just Canada and your town. How’d that be?
More and more I find myself searching for an article’s publication date, looking for “April 1”.
“The EU is the future of Europe for one simple reason – without it, none of the European countries are going to have the clout to deal with the Indias and Chinas and Brazils of the world. England 60 years after the war is a shadow of England a 100 years ago. ”
What “clout” do you need?
There’s nothing Europe needs from “European” organzation that could not be better handled by a much less centralized omnipresent organization(s).
A European “general staff” for military coordination reasons. Some free trade treaties. Some standards setting & resolution institutions. Perhaps a small diplomatic corps to handle common issues.
Europe thrived because it was decentralized,and it competed itself into prominence, when the english were f’effing up, the French were getting their act together, when the Dutch invented something the Danes stole it and made it better, the Italians were so “disorganized” they invented the Renaissance. When someone tried one political idea and it worked people took note, when some King did something boneheaded and refused to reform resulting in insurrection and revolution, other monarchs quietly reformed, when someone else tried some moronic economic notion that cost them dearly – everyone took note to NOT copy that.
Forgive me for sounding as old as I am but is this not just a Monty Python skit? “No madam, the Department of Oblivion is next door. This is the Department of Silly Walks.”
And BTW: “citizens” are now “proles”.
Anon 2
I’d say Europe doesn’t need unaccountable tyrants running their affairs without regard to the desires of the people through the fascist EU.
NATO works just fine if you need clout.
“Our Judeo-Christian, British heritage, the foundation on which both our democracy and our rule of law”
The British heritage you talk so proudly about is the one that used to accept “scientific” racism quite happily. History tells some strange stories indeed. Ask the Jewish groups who were deemed “unassimiable” in the 30’s, or the Chinese and Indian “non-persons” in the 1950s. Theres a reason it lost its place at the pinnacle, and thats because it wasnt suitable anymore. But only if you believe in the inherent equality of all human individuals. If you dont, then some aspects of the British heritage must be very appealing. A sign at a restaurant in London once said it all “Dogs and Indians not allowed”. We re a democracy because of british heritage, and in spite of it.
“Individualism and freedom, be damned.”
Especially if you disagree with the wisened souls of Small Dead Animals. Then you re just plain stupid. And “only watch CBC and read the Star, both of which represent a Canada that only exists in their fevered little brains.” Yeah, freedom be damned. Individualism be damned. Conform with lookout, or else you are stupid.
“I’d say having just federal and county would be a major step in the right direction, eliminate provincial altogether. Federal runs the army and not much else, county fixes the roads and not much else.”
Yes, one Mrs Thatcher tried that. The backlash is plain for all to see. Got to agree on the taxes though – left Canada the moment I could – the Canadian economy is shiite – hardly motivating. The Brits, if anything are much much worse, but theres so much more money to be made here. Yes I am in England. And no, I dont watch CBC or read the Star.
“What “clout” do you need?”
Think about it. the BRICs are being wooed the world over. And the Europeans will be undermining each other in order to find the best deal. Better have a coordinated policy, but you cant do that with a bunch of diplomats who know nothing about the ostensibly uncoordinated policies of the countries they are representing. Its complcated now. The top-down approach is needed to make sure that nobody breaks ranks and undermines the system, because that will play into the hands of the BRICs.
“Europe thrived because it was decentralized,and it competed itself into prominence”
Yeah. WWI. And then WWII. All that competition. All that thriving. And all they had to show for it was tonnes of rubble. And dead bodies. At least thanks the EU thats a thing of the past. French people in Germany, and Germans in France make it difficult to inspire the kind of radical nationalism that caused the First World War.
“when some King did something boneheaded and refused to reform resulting in insurrection and revolution, other monarchs quietly reformed”
That is pure conjecture.
“when someone else tried some moronic economic notion that cost them dearly – everyone took note to NOT copy that.”
There we go. When the Dutch succeeded at Free trade, what did the British and French do? Become…go on…say it…PROTECTIONIST.
Say what history book have you learnt from. Is public education in Canada really this bad?
The EU isnt fascist. The laws and regulations it puts forth arent that dramatic. In fact, they re pretty damn straightforward. All they ve really done is lower the internal borders and adopt Kantian ideals. Lowering the internal borders has made Europe a stronger economic unit. And in this word, its all in the economy.
anon 2 writes, “Conform with lookout, or else you are stupid”. In this case, I think I’d agree.
anon 2 asserts only, using marginal data from the last century—in the proportion of a gnat to a whale—and the flimsiest of documentation—“ a sign in a restaurant window”. How very convincing.
“The EU isnt fascist”
The people of France rejected the EU
, by voting against it in 2005.
The unelected and un-usurpable rotating Grande Formage parlays, from his high ground in zec nowhere…..
“The European process does not come to a halt today,” Luxembourg’s prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, who holds the rotating E.U. presidency, said at a news conference at the Brussels headquarters. “The ratification procedure must be pursued in other countries.”
Anon2, its much easier to lower taxes if you’ve fired most of the people who were spending the money. Cutting out large swaths of the bureaucracy is the only way to proceed.
If people are smart enough to look after themselves, what’s all that red tape for? See how my just asking the question makes me a wisened soul? And you even agree with me!
Repeat after me, government is not a public good.
To think England at one time thought they where different from Europe, if not attched in any way.
Now their the hind end. Enjoy slavery.
The sign in the window is merely representative of the popular beliefs at that time. The British heritage and culture that you speak of has, in this case, been translated through a Britisher, into a window sign. And no one said a word. And that is the worrying thing. Culture is nothing if it does not affect the common man. And when it does so in the way above, then well, you be the judge. On a more serious note, there is the 1939 Supreme Court of Canada declaration that racism was legal. Christie v York, I believe. All people being equal and all that.
Rose tinted glasses are for old people and lunatics. The reassertion of British heritage in Canada would bring back serious matters, such as racism, and trivial matters, such as no business on Sundays.
And democracy is not a judeo-christian contribution either. Like democracy, it exists because of Christianity and in spite of it. Democracy owes itself more to the reformers than to the conservatives. Without Martin Luther challenging the Catholic order, there would likely be no democracy. If you take credit for Martin Luther, then you have to accept that the Popes he was up against were products of Christianity too.
Democracy came in the 18th century, 18 centuries after Christianity. The causal relationship is a bit tenuous. Absolute monarchs came in between. Part of Christianity too, I suppose. And yet, antithetical to democracy. But the rhetorical value makes it, as always, a great soundbite, so what if it cannot be proved.
Lookout, how old are you? You remind me of the schoolyard bully sidekicks who, when challenged, can only resort with vague attempts to look smart by mocking the challenger. And like them, you come across as pretty damn daft. Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Or will you surrender with some lame sounding excuse such as “I dont argue with (insert mild expletive)”. Grow up. My guess is you re in your sophomore year in college.
Phantom I am no fan of taxes, but wishing them away is wishful thinking. Universal healthcare? Not a fan. But government enforced standards on healthcare providers? Big fan. And you can apply that to any number of sectors. I’ve been in the private sector long enough to know that the lower downs who are doing the nitty gritty are tempted to take shortcuts, and it makes life for those of us who have worked our way up the ranks. They are so busy trying to save their jobs they take shortcuts, the kind that lead to the need for SOX amongst other things. Somebody has to create and enforce universal standards.
“The people of France rejected the EU”
They also opposed the war in Iraq. Your point?
KING CANUTE,WILLIAM THE CANQUERER,RICHARD THE LIONHEART,ADMERAL HORATIO NELSON,WINSTON CHURCHILL must be spinning in the graves to see whats becuase of their once GREAT BRITIAN the lion once roared now it just meows
Anon 2 wrote, “Rose tinted glasses are for old people and lunatics. The reassertion of British heritage [What? Self-control, rule of law, democracy* . . . ] in Canada would bring back [sic] serious matters, such as racism [no longer a problem these days, I guess], and trivial matters, such as no business on Sundays [less consumerism? Quelle horreur!].” What rubbish.
(* With appointed, activist judges misusing the Charter and end-running Parliament all over the place, Canada is now, effectively, an oligarchy.)
For a scholarly and thoughtful look at present day Europe and its sad degeneration, I suggest a fine book by George Weigel, called “The Cube and the Cathedral: Europe, America, and Politics Without God”. From the dust jacket: Weigel contrasts “the civilization that produced the starkly modernist ‘cube’ of the Great Arch of La Defence in Paris with the civilization that produced the ‘cathedral’, Notre Dame. Weigel argues that Europe’s embrace of a narrow and cramped secularism has led to a crisis of civilizational morale that is eroding Europe’s soul and failing to create the Europe of the future”.
Weigel points out that in drafting the EU constitution, “the roots of contemporary European civilization and its commitments to democracy, human rights, and the rule of law were identified [only] as the Continent’s classical heritage . . . and the Enlightenment; fifteen hundred years of Christian influence on the formation of what is now Europe went unremarked”.
Among other signs of atrophy, he points out that “European productivity is dwindling” and that, “in the process of enlarging the European Union . . . Europe is retreating from democracy and binding itself ever more tightly in the cords of bureaucracy, with Brussels bureaucrats calculating the appropriate circumference of tomatoes and prescribing the proper feeding procedures for Sardinian hogs”. Now, on one hand, that’s trivial—BUT lethal to sovereignty, democracy, individualism, and healthy local economies (and, therefore, the collective economy).
Not knowing where one comes from is a sure way to keep repeating the mistakes of the past. By severing its ties to its Judeo-Christian heritage, Europe has cut of the branch on which it’s sitting. And everyone knows what happens next . . .
“The Cube and the Cathedral”: Basic Books, 2005
Thats fine and dandy, old chap, but British heritage and Judeo-Christian heritage have also given us the Britain and Europe today. To put it mildly they didnt come out of nowhere. They are products of those cultures and heritgaes. The good, the bad, the ugly.
It seems you want to hit the stop button, then the rewind button, then the play button, then the pause button – your ideal scenario being some golden age in the past that was probably as littered with problems. Victorian teenagers had sex, despite all that they want you to believe about the golden age of chastity.
The strangeness of hearkening back to the past is exacerbated by the fact that you have idealised it. You are never going to achieve those ideals. A better solution might be to consider the world as it is, not as it was, and “big-government” qualms notwithstanding (no-one dies of starvation in the west anymore – no potato famines, to put it mildly), the EU is a response to a time when 4 or 5 major powers are beginning to establish themselves. Rome was a city that ruled the world. Now it is a glorified museum. That the same can happen to Britain, indeed to anyone, is a fact that needs to be accepted.
The EU has the clout – financial and, crucially, material to deal with the BRICs. It certainly ensures that they arent undermining each other into oblivion. And England had a great run. But its all downhill from here. And its because of the economy – free movement of people and capital and all that. Britain was the financial capital of the world, and in some ways, still is, but globalisation is changing that. That should explain the British hordes in the UAE.