60 Replies to “Heston”

  1. I love Charelton !
    I love my rights !
    I love my wife !
    I love the U.S.A !
    I love democracy !
    I love Kate and SDA !
    and I love my guns !
    I would fight for them ALL !
    Thanks Kate.
    T.

  4. “There are none so blind as those who would not see.”
    Sums up the “reality based community” to a tee.

  5. “Is this the Canada carved out of the wilderness by independent men and women of uncommon valour?”-Charlton Heston
    addressing a meeting of the B.C. Wildlife Fed.

  6. Excellent! I do not have a gun even though my name might make you think I do, but I believe, every free person should have the right carry arms.
    This hit home for me this week, my youngest boy (12) was home alone for a few hours during spring break, when I came home from work, he had a bat beside him. He was scared, in his own home, in a very safe community, this is what Canada has become. He doesn’t know that Stats Can says violence is dropping, he just wanted to not be a victim.

  7. Does the US 2nd Amendment mean that a private citizen has the right to an RPG? Should my neighbour have the right to own a tactical nuclear weapon? Where does a civilized society draw the line?
    Even the framers of the US Constitution had the good sense to qualify the right to bear arms – it was within the confines of a well-ordered militia.
    Charlton Heston was a remarkable actor, but no more a worthy political commentator than Tom Cruise or George Clooney.

  10. I admit I didn’t watch him intently the entire time, but I don’t think he referred to notes even once in that whole speech.

  11. @August1991 Yup. As an ex gun owner and hunter with a modest collection I always thought the NRA would have been better off reigning him in a bit. Weapons and a militant attitude make people nervous. It was like he was working the crowd all the time, rather counter productive in a lot of ways. Still, we’ve seen in this country what can happen if you’re caught snoozing.

  12. Thank-you for posting this, Kate.
    Upon hearing of the death of this truly great man, a great sadness filled my heart. The words I saw written, under the photograph of a very handsome, very defiant, old man in a book about Ireland by Jill and Leon Uris came to mind: ‘Take a good long look, for you will probably not see the likes of me in these parts again’.
    God Rest the soul of Mr. Heston. I am sure that the Lord will welcome one of His champions from planet Earth. Our loss is Heaven’s gain.

  14. Does the US 2nd Amendment mean that a private citizen has the right to an RPG? Should my neighbour have the right to own a tactical nuclear weapon? Where does a civilized society draw the line?
    Even the framers of the US Constitution had the good sense to qualify the right to bear arms – it was within the confines of a well-ordered militia.
    If you read the constitution itself and the letters of Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Blackstone etc it is blatantly clear (and I mean BLATANTLY clear without a shadow of doubt) that they meant this as an individual right.
    Does this right extend to RPG’s? No. The use of individual personal arms is a means of protecting oneself from another individual or group of individuals. The gun is a leveler of the playing field such that a 120lb woman is able to protect herself from a group of thugs who would rape her or otherwise attempt to deprive her of her right to personal freedom and safety of her person, family, and property. An RPG or nuclear weapon would be highly useless in this instance. A gun allows people, who might otherwise be oppressed by those with more might, to preserve their liberty in those many instances when the government is unable to provide this immediate preservation of oneself and property. Furthermore, the individually owned gun was meant as a measure of overthrowing a government that became too tyrannical.
    Your use of far fetched and non-sensical examples as a means of “logical” argument demonstrates your inability to comprehend such complex issues as personal liberty and the responsibility that goes with it. If you truly want to understand why personal ownership of firearms is important then I would suggest you do some reading as to what has happened in the past when a citizenry is disarmed. Also read why the forefathers of the USA included the 2nd amendment and their thought processed leading up to its inclusion. Also read Blackstone and his 5th inalienable right (the right to own arms). There are literally thousands of thoughtful writings on the importance of an armed citizenry and hundreds of examples of what happens when that citizenry is disarmed. So…if you are truly interested in the truth then do the research. If you only desire to be a bleeting sheep marching lockstep with your fellow sheep, well…you have arrived and need not do anything further.

  15. RIP, Mr. Heston. Thanks for the memories and for standing up like a man–and a gentleman, at that.
    What struck me in this speech, among a few things, was how easy it was for the KGB to disarm dissent in Georgia: They knew exactly whose arms to confiscate because ALL THE FIREARMS WERE REGISTERED. ‘Sitting ducks.
    Isn’t it interesting that it’s the governments that want to take our individual rights away who are most intent on gun registries–just in case a citizen–tsk, tsk–might want to defend their God-given rights against their own government.
    ‘Scary stuff–and Canada’s right up their with totalitarian governments when it comes to knowing who’s got the guns: except, OF COURSE, for the criminals and thugs, who have no intention of registering THEIR firearms.

  16. August1991….Notice the only one’s carrying RPG’s,etc are the criminals? You know. The ones who obey gun control laws? You should try some research. But then for your type,why bother. Learning takes effort and time,ignorance is instantaneous.

  17. The nra is right to keep the government in check start giving up your rights any of them and there is no stopping it in Ontario the police are now allowed to be the judge and jury an 80 year old man can have his car confiscated because the police officer has decided he is guilty of driving 50 k overthe speed limit Mr. Heston was right in speaking so forcefully to soon your right to live freely can be taken away.

  18. Posted By: Sgt. Mom @ 0813 on 2008-04-06
    “He wasn’t just a star –besides being a military veteran, he was a total pro in a way that you rarely see these days.”
    “Being a child of the later baby-boom, of course I remember seeing Charlton Heston on the big screen – the very big screen at the drive in, when Mom and Dad packed JP and Pippy and I into the back of the trusty jade-green Plymouth station wagon for an evening at the double-feature. We were all in our pajamas for this sort of excursion, with our pillows and blankets in the back; lamentably, we usually fell asleep before seeing very much of the first feature, let alone the second.”
    “So, he was about the biggest star that any of us had ever heard of, when he came to Zaragoza, Spain sometime in the late 1980s, and the Public Affairs office informed us that we had a chance for an interview. We were all of a twitter; Zaragoza was kind of a backwater”
    http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/big-screen-and-operatic/

  19. It seems to me that it would be more effective to reduce gun crime to make it illegal to shoot people.
    Oh, wait.

  20. What a great man Mr. Heston was! May he rest in peace!
    Thanks very much for that Kate!

  21. That was an inspiring speech Heston gave, the more so since I had the same experience growing up. We didn’t shoot all the deer, but had some good eating and healthy pursuit. But my Father and his contemparies often spoke of the depression years and the importance of having a gun to feed their families. I am a gun owner, a hunter believing the right to have a firearm is as fundamental as the right to have any tool. Like an axe, a hoe, or a tractor, it is a tool of survival. Those who think that we are self-sufficient in this modern world and don’t need to hunt, or protect our crops or our very existance, have never been in a plague, a depression, or subjected to tyranny.
    I often wonder why the UN and other “big brother” institutions think that withholding arms from oppressed people somehow some solves the problem. Ask the Burmese if they want some. You don’t think we in Kanada need worry? What is the gun registy, if not a form of tyranny? Heston had it right.
    Gun ownership is a fundamental right not even needing a constitutional guarantee.

  22. So when do we get to pry the guns from his cold, dead hands? Or did that party happen already?

  23. Yep, gotta get out my RPG and daisy cutter this afternoon and go commit some crime — crime is in my blood — don’t cha know!

  24. That was really interesting, thanks Kate. I am not a gun owner and I will admit guns make me queasy, dont see the need etc etc….but then again I am urban, always have been. I kind of got the other side of the argument because my cousins used guns on the ancestral farm in Saskatchewan.
    But I thought Hestons overview explained a fair amount and it helps explain the divide. The depression story made a lot of sense. And his historical comments were ones I had never heard before. August 1991 makes some sense, that there are weapons that were never ever contemplated, there would need to be a definition of personal weapon.
    The Soviet Georgia argument though is a little specious. You need a license to get married, you need to register to own a car and a license to drive a car. The confiscation of weapons is a function of the type of government etc. I think people would feel more protected in this right if it was explicitly recognized or if a majority had weapons, the analogy being imagine the outcry if the government tried to confiscate auto’s.
    The key thing is to ensure there is never a government that would take that action and that there is court protection. Popular revolutions and protests arent driven by guns, but by masses of people. The fact that gun owners are a minority is what makes them rightfully nervous.
    There needs to be some form of regulation of these weapons, IMHO, i.e. automatic weapons I dont see the need for etc (but by admission i am sure there are arguments otherwise.)
    But the point of the post was really to say that this was a good speech and contained some really good points, some I need to reconsider.
    Mr Heston was a good and decent man who was misunderstood by his opponents. Not many like him left, think Reagan, Heston, Eastwood…those who were conservative and, as someone said, took rights (all rights) seriously and took action on them. I wonder how many are left or have they all been polarized into false positions to maintain ‘ideological purity”.
    Mr Heston (formerly Mr Carter) will be missed.

  25. You’re such a brave little commie, why don’t you try it and see what happens asshole.

  26. Eloquent, contemplative and deeply committed to freedom,populist democracy and the entire bill of rights,… not just the bits that serve a purpose to a special interest axe grinder.
    The same man who defends 2nd amendment gun rights defended the 1st amendment against McArthyism.
    One of the last REAL Americans. If the slate of presidential candidates had his linear constitutional ethics the nation would be in good hands. But American politicians sold Heston’s republic out to political expediency decades ago.
    Regardless, this man stands as an icon of America’s greatness…even though that may in the past tense now.
    He will be missed by real Americans

  27. “The key thing is to ensure there is never a government that would take that action and that there is court protection.”
    BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    another timerous capitulator who thinks you can “talk” to evil…talk it out of being evil…and looky here…I got a fat lady in a black robe and a gavel that will put a lickin; on you if you sdon’t stop your global caliphate.
    All I can say Rosco is prepare for dhimmitude or execution….that is the fate of fools who make themselves prey species for human predators.

  28. Um, are we having an imaginary stand-off over Heston’s imaginary corpse? Um, OK Dougie. Let’s see if this works.
    (pulls out crowbar. removes gun from cold, dead hands.)
    That was easy. So Dougie, what happens now? In your make-believe world, where I just removed Heston’s imaginary gun, you’re now supposed to do something to right this horrific wrong, since you’re – in bizarro world, remember – apparently standing guard over phantom Heston’s corpse…

  29. “It seems to me that it would be more effective to reduce gun crime to make it illegal to shoot people.
    Oh, wait.”
    I’ve got a better solution:
    “We (the Leftards) will make it ILLEGAL to be a criminal.”
    Just ban criminals – All problems solved!

  30. If guns were not effective in crime control or for combatting tyrany the police and army would be using daisies.
    To say that government forces should be armed for these purposes but not the citizen, is to ignore practical historical reality and denounce 900 years of civil liberty.

  32. Lefties crack me up. They always drone on about constitutional rights and the rights of the individual, but when it comes to the 2nd amendment, they change their tune.
    Oh, they meant ‘States’ rights with that one.
    Every other right in the US constitution is an individual one, except the one they don’t like, then it’s the government’s right.
    As to the RPG argument, does that also apply to the 1st amendment? If so, then quill and ink only. No TV, radio, internet, photos, or typewriters, as they weren’t invented and the framers surely didn’t mean those when they dreamed up freedom of the press.

  33. Perhaps JohnnyRingo is an original wit, and spontaneously generated the same comment about taking Charleton Heston’s gun as several other like-minded individuals on leftist sites, or perhaps he stole it without attribution. It doesn’t matter; the important thing is that neither he nor they could have achieved it while the man was alive, and they know that in the dark corner of their soul where they go to admit to the truth about themselves.

  34. “Does the US 2nd Amendment mean that a private citizen has the right to an RPG? Should my neighbour have the right to own a tactical nuclear weapon? Where does a civilized society draw the line?”
    If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that argument……..
    One line of Heston’s speech leapt out at me, “democracy means I am responsible for my life”, which seems to have been forgotten and replaced by, “I am a sheep, I need herding”.

  35. I distinctly remember Heston’s speech in which he invited his opponents to take his guns from his cold, dead hands.
    Well, I lived up to my part of the bargain (ie. not getting shot dead), plus I’ve endured his crappy movies and inane blather for far too many years.
    Fair’s fair, Moses.

  37. The most delicious irony about the 2nd amendment is the roots of its origin – It wasn’t about Georgia or Stalin or any of those readily identifiable villains. It was because the British begun stripping the colonists of their arms in order to retain rule. The framers vowed that a state authority would never again be able to suppress the will of the people by removing their ability to stand against them. A lesson lost in Canada and around the world.

  38. Not sure what the big deal is Johnny, he said you could have it.
    You’re not scoring any points. The man’s finished with it and said you’re allowed to take it.
    Go ahead. It’s yours. Enjoy.

  40. To all the leftards, who got weak-kneed and drooly over PET, and are negatively commenting here about CH, you people are an embarassment to humanity when you cannot recognize a man of true integrity. As a blogger posted above “there are not many like him left” , the Washingtons, Jeffersons, Shermans, Wellingtons, Nelsons, Churchills, Trumans, have all held their place in History and we are hard pressed to see many of their like today. Heaven help us when all we have left to pick for leaders are types like Layton, Dion, Obama and their ilk.

  41. Bathtub Ring
    No really.
    Quit pretending.
    Go and try to pry it from his cold dead hand.
    Too scared ?
    Go and ask to see what is in his “cold dead hand”.
    You’ve ben fantasizing, and waiting for his death for 20 years, to pose this question.
    Can’t build up your courage in 20 years eh.
    Craven lick spittle commie ass wipe.
    Walk your talk right over to the funeral.
    Dead; and the leftards still physically fear him.
    His “Greatness” has been proven.

  42. Skip; the Right to Bear Arms goes a long way back. It is an English Common Law right and became enshrined in the Bill of Rights because the King tried to take it away. If the British Parliament had had any power in the colonies that would never have been allowed.
    This Right has been allowed to decay and is now extinguished in Britain. I came across an old poster several years ago that dated back to the post Dunkirk time in Britain. The poster was begging individual Americans and Canadians to donate their privately owned guns and binoculars to the British. Another historical lesson.

  43. In the movie Soylent Green, Heston has a scene where he see’s Edward G.Robinson Dying. This scene was more shaking & heartfelt then any other he had with Robinson.
    Robinson had told Heston in private that this was to be his last scene as he was dying, Edward G died shortly after the filming.

  44. JohnnyRingo, robbing the dead is exactly your speed. You should have a go at any gold teeth he might have as well.
    You are a perfect socialist.

  45. Just ban criminals – All problems solved! Finn, c’mon, that’s not possible. Let’s register them instead. A national criminal registry would be a great crime fighter, right?
    Anyway, being a city dweller I’m always been a little uncomfortable with the right to bear arms argument; though, anyone I know who owns a gun is a hunter or target shooter. I know plenty of military and vets and none of them has a personal weapon.
    Maybe the right to bear arms isn’t one of the biggies like the right to life and security. Then again, before we take away that right, or even restrict it with registration, shouldn’t we insist on a payback for our efforts? That’s the rub to me; we’re not seeing a dividend for law enforcement, while the cost has turned out to be horrendous.

  46. The Wikipedia entry for Johnny Ringo states:
    Unfortunately for the reputation of this gunfighter, there is no record that he ever actually had a single classic gunfight (shooting unarmed men not counting). Even his violent death may have been at his own hand. Louis L’Amour wrote that he had found nothing in Old West history to commend John Ringo as a particularly noteworthy “bad guy”. According to L’Amour, Ringo was merely a common, surly, bad-tempered man who was worse when he was drinking, and that his main claim to fame was shooting an unarmed man named Louis Hancock, for ordering beer when offered whiskey. L’Amour wrote that he did not understand how Ringo earned such a strong reputation as a “bad man” in legend.
    This certainly describes his namesake, a self-promoting coward.

  47. “Maybe the right to bear arms isn’t one of the biggies like the right to life and security.”
    The two are intertwined. Generally speaking, once you forfeit the right to bear arms, it isn’t long until a government shows up that is more than willing to take advantage of an unarmed public. It has happened many, many times before in history.

  48. Shamrock, you’ve noticed the CHRC killing off your “right” to free speech. Your “rights” to life, liberty and security are the same. In the era of Canadian Big Government, rights are an illusion, a propaganda tool.
    Unless of course you can back them up with cold steel and hot lead. Without arms there are no rights. Only privileges, granted by the all-powerful state.
    You may have noticed the Caledonia Standoff is still going on, right? Two years as of April 20th. That’s partly because the Mohawk Scumbag Society is equipped to back up their illegal, assinine demands. Handsomely equipped, if recent gun/drug seizures at Kahnawake are any indication.
    Why should the bad guys be the only ones who can resist Big Brother?

  49. JohhnyRingo~ You never did answer: How did it feel when Doc Holliday drilled that bullet through your thieving, murdering, back-stabbing head?

  50. Chartlon Heston, when talking about how he fights against any effort to keep Ameicans from owning guns, was, while holding his rifle in the air, quoted saying “FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS”. Well, I think that even though his hand is dead and cold, they would still have a hell of time getting him to release his grip.
    Rest well, Mr. Heston. The devil is in even deeper trouble now with Chuck Heston riding shotgun to God in heaven.

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